As the Italians say: "Lies have the shortest legs," so, if lies have been strewn, they will be revealed, eventually. As my Grandmother used to say: "Three things cannot be hidden...1) the sun, 2) the moon, and 3) the truth......If Trump has lied, or if the Repubs have lied, or if the Demos have lied, the truth will be found out....these things have a way of working themselves out.

Unemployment is low for everybody in MOST areas of the country, but to say blacks should be grateful or any minority, for that matter, is more insult than statement of fact. Pretty disingenuous on many levels to even imply it was done just for them when most everybody knows it wasn't.First of all, I never said blacks should be grateful. That was your invention. As for the rest of your post , you and I both know that if Obama had accomplished this, you would be shouting his praises to the highest heavens. It is only your hatred of Trump that keeps you from the simplest acknowledgement that Trump has done well with the economy, and people of all colors have profited. Thankfully, the country has individuals, including black people, all over that are learning to break free from the domination of the democrat party and think for themselves.

E. Warren is now going about saying she will have a 9 year old transgender child do the vetting for her sec of education.The craziness is getting extreme. It seems that every election is getting more and more critical. Trump has his problems, but he recently became the one and only president to address the March for Life audience, and I'm pretty sure he does not seek the advice of 9 year old transgender children. How would a 9 year old be given the authority to determine his/her own gender anyway?

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First of all, I never said blacks should be grateful. That was your invention. As for the rest of your post , you and I both know that if Obama had accomplished this, you would be shouting his praises to the highest heavens. It is only your hatred of Trump that keeps you from the simplest acknowledgement that Trump has done well with the economy, and people of all colors have profited. Thankfully, the country has individuals, including black people, all over that are learning to break free from the domination of the democrat party and think for themselves.

Listen up! I was here before the dufus and can attest that Obama's economy laid the foundation and started the upward trend of more people being employed and with a chance at education into better jobs and opportunities. Has nothing to do with the dufus, but it's rather disgusting and tone deaf to think he and he alone deserves ALL the credit for continuing to build on that solid foundation.

Listen up some more! It's not for YOU or the dufus to tout what's been done for black people or anyone else but yourself, as they will be the ones to speak for themselves in this matter! Don't be surprised if they want that hate spewing, liar, and cheat out of office, along with his repub sycophants. What? You think because he inherited a health growing economy we should overlook all his BS and anoint him a savior as you have? That would be rather silly for anyone at this point. You would be better served by listening to those black voices instead of insulting us further fueled by your own hate of democrats and liberals.

Recognize that as we speak, you are not the same repubs that put nation first before party and had the nations confidence to do the right thing. No you are the party of the lying, cheating dufus trying to deceive and distract while he robs us blind. You and the rest of your ilk have traded a chance at his pocket change to shill for him. He deserves no credit for peeing on your head and convincing you its raining.

Listen UP! There is a very good reason minorities vote with the dems and a simple look will inform you of that FACT! Dems look like US, repubs DON'T!

E. Warren is now going about saying she will have a 9 year old transgender child do the vetting for her sec of education.The craziness is getting extreme. It seems that every election is getting more and more critical. Trump has his problems, but he recently became the one and only president to address the March for Life audience, and I'm pretty sure he does not seek the advice of 9 year old transgender children. How would a 9 year old be given the authority to determine his/her own gender anyway?

I like your rhetorical exaggeration, but the dufus feeding you red meat during this election doesn't cover up the FACT he has never addressed the March of Life before (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/donald-trump-march-for-life-rally-evangelical-support-103588) when there were no votes to curry.

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Aren't you glad you weren't around when he was bankrupting his casinos?

Listen up! I was here before the dufus and can attest that Obama's economy laid the foundation and started the upward trend of more people being employed and with a chance at education into better jobs and opportunities. Has nothing to do with the dufus, but it's rather disgusting and tone deaf to think he and he alone deserves ALL the credit for continuing to build on that solid foundation.Why do you continue to just make it up as you go along? I am more than willing to give Obama some credit for his economy, though I will point out that it was, historically speaking, a weak recovery from recession and was accompanied by a doubling of the national debt. That is simply the truth. But when you say, "Has nothing to do with the dufus," you put your Trump hatred on full display. It is really a pathetic show to have to watch.


It's not for YOU or the dufus to tout what's been done for black people or anyone else but yourself, as they will be the ones to speak for themselves in this matter!What a crazy statement. It course we can tout what Trump has done for black people, or Latinos, or whites, or Asians, or anyone else. It's all on the table, and for you to think that you somehow have the power to restrict what can be talked about is an extreme level of arrogance. It's just your stage 5 TDS manifesting itself.

Its unfortunate that ONLY Blacks have "LEADERS"...I don't see Indian LEADERS, Asian LEADERS, or Hispanic LEADERS....WHY IS IT THAT BLACKS ARE CONSIDERED A "BLOCK" OF VOTERS? I find this demeaning for Blacks. It connotes an inability of Blackst to "think for themselves" and that is, in and of itself, a racist thought. It was Lyndon B. Johnson who came up with the idea of giving the "Black Community "things" would lead to OWNING their "voting block" forever: THAT STRATEGY BY JOHNSON WAS A RACIST TACTIC! In effect, Negroes got their freedom from Slavery in 1865 at the conclusion of the Civil War only to surrender themselves back to Slavery on the Democrat's Liberal Plantation in the 1960's.....SAD!!!

JL my friend, get your head out of the dufus's arse and think for yourself, and maybe, just maybe, you can process the experiences of others and at least gain empathy through insights. My prayers for you continue. Please forgive my rather hardheaded, stubborn resistance, to your false idol worshipping anti human support for the lying cheating foul mouthed dufus.

No it's not a disease that sparks that resistance though, nor is it hate, but a profound responsibility to follow the path that my relationship with a God that I understand has pointed me to. You can make what you want of it, that's up to you, but I have to be true to it no matter what anyone says. The dufus's words are loud and mean, his actions louder and meaner. That means I will not allow you to dismiss whatever you disagree with as an illness. I think you already know that.

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All the groups you mentioned have leaders within their own communities just as EVERY other community in America. That's not racist, nor is compromising to court their votes. Repubs made the decision to scare white folks for votes with that southern strategy stuff and still use that and voter suppression tactics to get and keep political power.

I respectfully submit rather than saying dems control blacks think of what the repubs offer that turns off blacks. It's a voluntary choice that makes dems more attractive to black interests, and the chance to control and direct the narrative that works for them. Repubs no longer offer that opportunity, nor even give minorities the position to direct and control their own narrative. As it stands repubs are the party of white people telling everybody else what to think with the dufus as it's leader.

It's not lost that repubs denigrate those women and people of color that their communities elected, or that repubs make them such targets. What's lost by YOU is how insulting that is that you feel it's okay to say blacks women and minorities are under dem control when it's the dems who are under the control of blacks women and minorities.

JL my friend, get your head out of the dufus's arse and think for yourself, and maybe, just maybe, you can process the experiences of others and at least gain empathy through insights. My prayers for you continue. Please forgive my rather hardheaded, stubborn resistance, to your false idol worshipping anti human support for the lying cheating foul mouthed dufus.What a rant. No facts, just offensive garbage.


No it's not a disease that sparks that resistance though, nor is it hate, but a profound responsibility to follow the path that my relationship with a God that I understand has pointed me to. You can make what you want of it, that's up to you, but I have to be true to it no matter what anyone says. The dufus's words are loud and mean, his actions louder and meaner. That means I will not allow you to dismiss whatever you disagree with as an illness. I think you already know that.Does this god you have a relationship with require you to be honest? If so, then would you be honest about the fact that the economy, under Trump, is setting records? Would you be honest about Benghazi? You say that Trumps words and actions are loud and mean. I would agree with you and that's a valid criticism, but are you prepared to be honest and admit that HC's words and actions are frequently mean, and that the same is true of other democrats such as Maxine Waters (who is about as looney as you can get), or be willing to say that EW's latest idea to use a 9 year old trans child to vet the sec of education is about as crazy an idea as a person can imagine? Is this "profound responsibility" you have only pointed at Trump, or does it apply to everyone?

I don't belittle what you are saying, but it just seems very strange to me that you seem to have a call to bash Trump but let liberal dems do as they please. This "profound responsibility" seemed to let you make no appeal for justice and the rule of law for Judge Kavanaugh when he was nearly derailed by what any reasonable person would agree was a weak case being made against him, and it seemed to have no impact on your view of HC when she was clearly and plainly guilty of having classified government information on a unsecured, personal server, and then proceeded to attempt to destroy half of the evidence on the hard drive. So I just don't exactly know what your "profound responsibility" is.

You keep going back to the past and want to get your feelings out, and that's fair enough I guess, but I have long ago moved on because the official record on those events has been written. We are now faced with those before us with THIS president to address and if you're to stuck on the past to honestly deciminate the current events, then what do you want me to do about that?

Maybe you should go to the current events thread about the "face of evil" (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/face-evil-847320.html) and address the allegation that it is written that the dufus is the anti Christ according to the gospel scriptures, because you will never come between me and my God, nor ever convince me that the dufus doesn't need opposing. That's as honest as I can get, because he exhibits in words and behavior all I'm against, currently and even before he became prez.

Frankly I have no problem with your passively aggressive denunciations of my views as rants, or your rock throwing against liberals. I even understand and accept you holding your nose, voting for the lying cheating bad mouth bully and trying to shove your head as far up his arse as your neck will allow. That's why I don't take it personally, nor hold it against you my friend. Just appreciate my honesty as given as something you can count on.

want to get your feelings outHas nothing to do with feelings.


but I have long ago moved on because the official record on those events has been written. We are now faced with those before us with THIS president to address and if you're to stuck on the past to honestly deciminate the current events, then what do you want me to do about that?You claim to have a "profound responsibility" given to you by God. I'm just trying to figure out what that responsibility is. If it's to gut Trump, then you are accomplishing that, but if it's a calling of anything even approaching nobility and honesty, then I don't see how you can ignore the many evil faces of the democrat party.


Maybe you should go to the current events thread about the "face of evil" (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/face-evil-847320.html) and address the allegation that it is written that the dufus is the anti Christ according to the gospel scriptures, because you will never come between me and my God, nor ever convince me that the dufus doesn't need opposing. That's as honest as I can get, because he exhibits in words and behavior all I'm against, currently and even before he became prez.Nonsense. I don't even know which god you serve. You seem to dispute the Bible, so I have no idea where you get your Antichrist from.


Frankly I have no problem with your passively aggressive denunciations of my views as rants,When a person writes, as you did, "JL my friend, get your head out of the dufus's arse...your false idol worshipping anti human support for the lying cheating foul mouthed dufus," then what would you call it? Well reasoned discourse?
I even understand and accept you holding your nose, voting for the lying cheating bad mouth bully and trying to shove your head as far up his arse as your neck will allow. That's why I don't take it personally, nor hold it against you my friend. Just appreciate my honesty as given as something you can count on.Of course you understand. You did the same thing in voting for HC and Obama. What I find irritating is that you seem to have this galling sense of moral superiority since, after all, you voted for LIBERALS who were corrupt liars. You voted for those who champion abortion and gay marriage, so spare me the fake moral outrage at me voting for Trump. And the comment about a head being shoved somewhere is sick and a sad commentary on who you are. I expected better. I would hope you were taught better than that. It sounds like something an angry person would say when he can't think of anything sensible.

Is it a coincidence you have avoided this one thread in the forum? WHY?

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

Is it a coincidence you have avoided this one thread in the forum? WHY?

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

So now you are repeating posts, we all have the right to reply or not to reply

Sure we do Clete. I just wanted HIS opinion on the subject. Yours would be welcome too, besides it being just interesting. Plus he can speak for himself can't he?

I have no idea who the Antichrist will be. If this guy turns out to be wrong, then he will join an enormous multitude of people who have likewise been wrong. The odds are long indeed against him.

But I'd still like to know why you would even make a reference to the Antichrist. Are you now a believer in the Christ of the Bible, or is this just all an exercise in humor for you?

Sure we do Clete. I just wanted HIS opinion on the subject. Yours would be welcome too, besides it being just interesting. Plus he can speak for himself can't he?

Prophesy has to be judged on the testimony of two or more witnesses, just because one "evangelical" connects the dots doesn't mean his interpretation is correct. Yes, Trump has done many things that defy logic and some have been successful but some of these "connections" are drawing a long bow




So now you know why I said it is interesting, which means I don't consider it conclusive I'm not going to enter into a scripture by scripture discussion. If trump is the anti-Christ this fact would have been revealed to modern day prophets before now

I have no idea who the Antichrist will be. If this guy turns out to be wrong, then he will join an enormous multitude of people who have likewise been wrong. The odds are long indeed against him.
It's very convincing! Have you read that link yet? The "fortresses" are right on!

I have no idea who the Antichrist will be. If this guy turns out to be wrong, then he will join an enormous multitude of people who have likewise been wrong. The odds are long indeed against him.

But I'd still like to know why you would even make a reference to the Antichrist. Are you now a believer in the Christ of the Bible, or is this just all an exercise in humor for you?

I came to the article the same way as everyone else and to be honest shock was my reaction and far from amusement at the logic of it. I've never taken the words of ancient man as absolute, nor do I now, or the interpretation of the author, as I have explained before I need neither to form my own opinion of the words and actions of the dufus and in that I remain consistent.

I don't need a bible to tell me that. I was genuinely interested in your input as I am with every ones.

I came to the article the same way as everyone else and to be honest shock was my reaction and far from amusement at the logic of it. I've never taken the words of ancient man as absolute, nor do I now, or the interpretation of the author, as I have explained before I need neither to form my own opinion of the words and actions of the dufus and in that I remain consistent.

I don't need a bible to tell me that. I was genuinely interested in your input as I am with every ones.

If you are shocked by this no doubt you would be shocked by other passages of the Bible

1. "The Antichrist will be a political outsider with despicable character and a contemptuous personality who wins an election that no one expects him to win." Daniel 11:21 must be read in context. His interpretation is ridiculous. It does not fit the passage.
2. "The Antichrist will cause people all over the globe to be filled with wonder and “follow” him." That applied to Obama more than to Trump. Besides, the passages says that, “The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.” So the whole world is following Trump?
3. This really seems absurd. Seven heads become seven headquarters represented by ten skyscrapers because only seven are named (so far as he is aware) Trump? Really? "Seven heads? Maybe like potential head-quarters?

"Well, funny thing again: while Donald Trump owns at least ten skyscrapers that I’m aware of, apparently only seven of them are formally named Trump Towers:" It took about 5 minutes on the internet to find that Trump owns at least TEN towers and that ALL TEN are named after him. So much for this view. https://www.dezeen.com/2016/11/02/donald-trump-towers-skyscrapers-around-the-world/
4. “The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. Daniel. 7:23" Yeah, all that happened last week, didn't it? Well, guess that won't really work. Besides, that could have been applied to Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and the president to come after Trump if he is just referring to being pres of a powerful nation.
5. The Daniel 7:8 passage is a vague reference to a "little horn" that is very boastful. Seems like a stretch to project that on Trump. You think HC and Obama were not boastful as well?
6. "The Antichrist will be someone known for making a lot of public threats against people." He tries to appeal to Daniel 7:4 to support that. The only problem is that Dan. 7:4 does not say that. "“The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, and the mind of a human was given to it."
7. "The Antichrist will give speeches where he speaks “great things” and then about things that are even “greater.”He appeals to Dan. 7:20. Problem is, two very reliable translations (Amp and NASB) do not support it. The Amplified reads, "a mouth that boasted great things and which looked larger than the others." So Trump has a mouth that looks larger than everyone else's?
8. "The Antichrist comes to power through collusion with a secret alliance who uses disinformation to help him win– even though he has a minority number of supporters." First of all, if he is referring to the supposed collusion with Russia, then his argument falls apart right off the bat. Even worse, Dan. 11:23 does not support that conclusion.

And on and on and on it goes. Many people will find it appealing, not because it is good scholarship, but because they had arrived at the conclusion first, and so any kind of funky evidence then seemed to be compelling.

I HAD to hit edit to add this one. It really seems absolutely laughable. "The Antichrist will have the nation’s most powerful religious leader influencing the country for him. This leader will try to convince Christians that the Antichrist is “God’s pick” and that we need to support him." And where does this bit of drama come from? Rev. 13 which reads, “And then I saw a second beast come from the Earth who looked like a lamb but spoke like a dragon… and it deceived the inhabitants of the Earth…” Now that honestly made me laugh. So Franklin Graham, who he is clearly referring to and who most people on the earth have never heard of, has "deceived the inhabitants of the Earth"? He's a "beast"? He speaks like a "dragon"?

This guy has made an appeal to scriptures he takes out of context and is able to twist them to mean what he likes since, out of context, most of them are rather vague in their particular meanings. I would really suggest that anyone interested look up each scripture reference he uses in two or three dependable translations such as ESV, NASB, Amp, or even the NIV.

I can only advise you to not buy the book.

If you are shocked by this no doubt you would be shocked by other passages of the Bible

The shock is not over the gospel, but that a modern man can interpret them so precisely at the dufus, Clete. Does it sway me one way or the other? No, and I have already said I don't need gospel to know my opposition to the words and ways of the dufus. Anti Christ is just another name to tattoo on his forehead that's already full of the worst names you could call him.

Been watching repubs run to cameras and Sunday shows calling what he is accused of doing all kinds of wrong, but not wrong enough to remove him from office or the ballot. Okay that's fine, but none have put forth any suggestions for any kind of accounting whatsoever, and in my mind that's what sucks the most. Just more evidence that the fix has always been in to rig the outcome despite the arguments.

Maybe the repubs are the ones we should have impeached.

Been watching repubs run to cameras and Sunday shows calling what he is accused of doing all kinds of wrong, but not wrong enough to remove him from office or the ballot. Okay that's fine, but none have put forth any suggestions for any kind of accounting whatsoever, and in my mind that's what sucks the most. Just more evidence that the fix has always been in to rig the outcome despite the arguments.In what way are they different from the way you and the other dems reacted to the revelations of Benghazi and HC's private email account? Did any dems call for "any kind of accounting" in those cases? Politics, my friend. Pure politics. It would be much better to set a good example than to constantly sling mud. It would be much better if you could say to the repubs, "Behave now as I behaved with Obama and HC." Alas, you cannot say that.

In what way are they different from the way you and the other dems reacted to the revelations of Benghazi and HC's private email account? Did any dems call for "any kind of accounting" in those cases? Politics, my friend. Pure politics. It would be much better to set a good example than to constantly sling mud. It would be much better if you could say to the repubs, "Behave now as I behaved with Obama and HC." Alas, you cannot say that.

I can respect your opinion, but you fail to tell the whole story of Benghazi, and HC's emails in that you left out the INVESTIGATIONS and findings in both cases, by many entities of government AND congress, that stretched months and even years, which included HC's testifying in person before the FBI, and before congress during it's many hearings. Yet you daresay LEAD BY THE EXAMPES OF THE DEMS?

Okay let's start there. How about repubs FOLLOW the example of the dems! Come on now JL!

I can respect your opinion, but you fail to tell the whole story of Benghazi, and HC's emails in that you left out the INVESTIGATIONS and findings in both cases, by many entities of government AND congress, that stretched months and even years, which included HC's testifying in person before the FBI, and before congress during it's many hearings. Yet you daresay LEAD BY THE EXAMPES OF THE DEMS?

Okay let's start there. How about repubs FOLLOW the example of the dems! Come on now JL!And how much of that did you call for? Zero. How much of it did the dems call for? Zero. So it would certainly seem that your call for "some kind of accounting" is only prompted by your apparent hatred of Trump. It really makes it appear that all of this has nothing to do with any real concern for ethics and is strictly motivated by politics. I'm sure we are all guilty of that to some degree.

Be kind of loony to call for something that was already happening given the whole country, I mean everybody, was horrified, shocked and angry. Maybe you never noticed all the embassies beef up security, and high alert is maintained, and all the protests and unrest that surround some embassies in soome countries around 9/11. Maybe you never noticed investigations followed this tragedy immediately as well it should.

You act as though you're the onnly one pissed all the time and liberals are always to blame. We were attacked and lost 4 people true enough but you NEVER detail how 30 others survived and fought bravely. 4 dead in Africa on a routine excursion on the dufus watch and you blow ii off as the casualty of war. You mean terrorist attacks in one part of Africa is somehow different than terrorist attacks in another part? Now that's as loony as it gets! Get over yourself, your hypocrisy and liberal hate is showing.

Funny how you ALWAYS accuse the left of all kinds of crap, and forgive the right of all their crap. You're not just a hypocritical loon, your NUTS! Nuttier than my own titled rants reveal to some degree!

You act as though you're the onnly one pissed all the time and liberals are always to blame. We were attacked and lost 4 people true enough but you NEVER detail how 30 others survived and fought bravely. 4 dead in Africa on a routine excursion on the dufus watch and you blow ii off as the casualty of war. You mean terrorist attacks in one part of Africa is somehow different than terrorist attacks in another part? Now that's as loony as it gets! Get over yourself, your hypocrisy and liberal hate is showing.

Funny how you ALWAYS accuse the left of all kinds of crap, and forgive the right of all their crap. You're not just a hypocritical loon, your NUTS! Nuttier than my own titled rants reveal to some degree!

Hmm. Where to begin?

I don't really know why you are suddenly so detail oriented about Benghazi. 30 survived but no thanks to HC and Obama who did NOTHING to help them AT ALL during the entire siege. They left them on their own to live or die, so yeah, that's about as loony as it gets. I'm still waiting for you to call for "some kind of accounting."

I haven't accused the left so much as I have questioned you. You claim to want "some kind of accounting". I am pointing out that you only want an accounting when it involves Trump. You were silent as could be while the four Americans died under Obama's watch. If you really care about ethics, then become an equal opportunity accuser.

If you have a point of view, then defend it. Name calling would only seem to call attention to not having anything useful or intelligent to say.

Only a loony right wing hater would blame ME personally for not calling for an accounting while the blamed event is being investigated by every blamed agency of government and his mama! I guess that also goes for your soaring loony righjt wing rhetoric and fake outrage to make a phony case against...wait for it...Obama and HC...LIBERALS! Crickets on the four lives lost under the dufus, and who needs details when you have loony talking points.

Where should you begin? How about the dufus wanting a foreign power to investigate an American? THINK! If he can do that to a citizen, former VP, and current candidate, then he can do it to anyone, anytime, for any reason, ANYWHERE! Nevermind what the treaty says, or our own laws say, a phone call is all he needs. That's a bunch of crap, and repubs aided and abetted. The sorry repub suckers in the senate knew any witness would get a pimp slap from the dufus, and a long court case, and would they look worse than they already do? You bet! So the easy way out is forget this shut it down before it gets real ugly for repubs period! That was the plan before this thing started and you know it because all his investigations are rigged for his outcome!

Lets get one thing straight here my friend, I call names and throw facts and rocks and if you can't take it, well that's not my problem, but don't think for a minute I'm mad at ya, because you're probably doing the best you can with what you got. That's why I ignore you're puny effort to scold and school me. AIN'T gonna happen! Thought you knew!

I'll make you cry and holler fo' yo' mama!

Only a loony right wing hater would blame ME personally for not calling for an accounting while the blamed event is being investigated by every blamed agency of government and his mama! But the exact same thing is true of Trump and you seem to have no problem in never letting a day go by without blasting him and calling him every name under the sun. Why the double standard? If you doubt what I say, then just review your comment below.


Where should you begin? How about the dufus wanting a foreign power to investigate an American? THINK! If he can do that to a citizen, former VP, and current candidate, then he can do it to anyone, anytime, for any reason, ANYWHERE! Nevermind what the treaty says, or our own laws say, a phone call is all he needs. That's a bunch of crap, and repubs aided and abetted. The sorry repub suckers in the senate knew any witness would get a pimp slap from the dufus, and a long court case, and would they look worse than they already do? You bet! So the easy way out is forget this shut it down before it gets real ugly for repubs period! That was the plan before this thing started and you know it because all his investigations are rigged for his outcome!Should he be able to ask a government known for corruption to investigate a seemingly plausible case of corruption involving an American? Are you really asking such a ridiculous question? Well YEAH.


Lets get one thing straight here my friend, I call names and throw facts and rocks and if you can't take it, well that's not my problem, but don't think for a minute I'm mad at ya, because you're probably doing the best you can with what you got. That's why I ignore you're puny effort to scold and school me. AIN'T gonna happen! Thought you knew!

I'll make you cry and holler fo' yo' mama!When that happens, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath. Just work on your critical thinking skills. When you get that mastered, you will have no further need of calling names like junior high kids do.

But the exact same thing is true of Trump and you seem to have no problem in never letting a day go by without blasting him and calling him every name under the sun.
Why the double standard?
If you doubt what I say, then just review your comment below.



No it's not since Obama's administration cooperated in the Benghazi investigation and HC cooperated in her email investigation. Maybe she blew off a few, but that's vastly different than the dufus not cooperating at all. Stay tuned I thought up even more names to lay on that orange sidewinder!



Should he be able to ask a government known for corruption to investigate a seemingly plausible case of corruption involving an American? Are you really asking such a ridiculous question? Well YEAH.


NO! Because we have a treaty and a proper process for that very thing and what's the evidence that either Biden was corrupt. Obviously not enough for Barr to formally request such an investigation by treaty! Yeah those little details always get you! Your ignorance or the dufus's of the law is no excuse. The GAO also said he broke the law by NOT notifying the congress of his intent to with hold funding, so either he is stupid or a lawbreaking crook, or both! The only one being ridicules here is you trying to skip over important details. You call THAT critical thinking?

You prove over and over again you got reality and BS all mixed up!

First of all, you are missing the point. You raise you know what with Trump, but you say nothing about your liberal darlings. As to this statement, "HC cooperated in her email investigation," please, please tell me you're joking. Remember the destruction of the server's hard drive??? Is that what you call "cooperation", or would you call it destruction of evidence?

As to your complaint about the law, are you saying there is a law that PROHIBITS a president asking a foreign leader to investigate corruption? Can you quote the part of the law that prohibits that? If you can't (and you can't), then why do you insist that Trump broke the law? And please don't provide one of your "links to nowhere". Quote the part of the law that PROHIBITS a pres from asking a foreign leader to investigate possible criminal activity.

Now jl, you know you can't inject realism into these debates

are you saying there is a law that PROHIBITS a president asking a foreign leader to investigate corruption?
...meanwhile threatening that foreign leader that the president will withhold aid to the foreign leader's country if he doesn't cooperate?

First of all, you are missing the point. You raise you know what with Trump, but you say nothing about your liberal darlings. As to this statement, "HC cooperated in her email investigation," please, please tell me you're joking. Remember the destruction of the server's hard drive??? Is that what you call "cooperation", or would you call it destruction of evidence?

Well the dufus is the main man yes or no, so why would I look for someone else? Obama took right wing incoming for 8 years dude, and HC for decades so it's our turn, so quit crying. As much as you hate it HC's investigation is over, cleared by the dufus no less...get over it...let it go...your stuck, move on!


As to your complaint about the law, are you saying there is a law that PROHIBITS a president asking a foreign leader to investigate corruption? Can you quote the part of the law that prohibits that? If you can't (and you can't), then why do you insist that Trump broke the law? And please don't provide one of your "links to nowhere". Quote the part of the law that PROHIBITS a pres from asking a foreign leader to investigate possible criminal activity.

Your turn to find the facts. Do your own homework since you aren't qualified to grade mine anymore. Stop blaming me for your shortcomings.

..meanwhile threatening that foreign leader that the president will withhold aid to the foreign leader's country if he doesn't cooperate?You left wingers just keep forgetting that making an accusation absent evidence is not the American way.


Well the dufus is the main man yes or no, so why would I look for someone else? Obama took right wing incoming for 8 years dude, and HC for decades so it's our turn, so quit crying. As much as you hate it HC's investigation is over, cleared by the dufus no less...get over it...let it go...your stuck, move on. Yep. Stuck by the fact that you cannot explain your appalling double standard. I can, however...stage 5 TDS!!


Your turn to find the facts. Do your own homework since you aren't qualified to grade mine anymore. Stop blaming me for your shortcomings.Just like I said, you can't. Maybe now you will move on to something you are familiar with. You plainly don't know the law you keep appealing to.

You left wingers just keep forgetting that making an accusation absent evidence is not the American way.

Yep. Stuck by the fact that you cannot explain your appalling double standard. I can, however...stage 5 TDS!!

Just like I said, you can't. Maybe now you will move on to something you are familiar with. You plainly don't know the law you keep appealing to.

You wouldn't know evidence if it hit you in the face and only believe the lies of the dufus and as far as the law goes, not your strong suite so why bother with an inferior debater such as yourself, so lets stick to do nuts where at least you have a chance at the only critical thinking you are qualified for and that's what goes in your belly. Anything higher than your neck is subject to malfunction and lunacy.

You left wingers just keep forgetting that making an accusation absent evidence is not the American way.
None of the witnesses to the up-close-and-personal tRump babblings and telephone calls were allowed to testify. Hmm....

None of the witnesses to the up-close-and-personal tRump babblings and telephone calls were allowed to testify. Hmm...."Yes, your honor. I realize my witnesses have had nothing useful to say, but I suggest we convict the accused on the basis of what I THINK someone else might say."

Case dismissed!!

"Hmmm" indeed.


You wouldn't know evidence if it hit you in the face and only believe the lies of the dufus and as far as the law goes, not your strong suite so why bother with an inferior debater such as yourself, so lets stick to do nuts where at least you have a chance at the only critical thinking you are qualified for and that's what goes in your belly. Anything higher than your neck is subject to malfunction and lunacy.I wouldn't know evidence in this case because you have none. Your name calling once again exposes your lack of anything useful or informative to say. You have no evidence. You have no knowledge of the law you so often appeal to. You have nothing but name-calling. Shame.

"Yes, your honor. I realize my witnesses have had nothing useful to say, but I suggest we convict the accused on the basis of what I THINK someone else might say."
Witnesses wanted to testify but tRump tRomped them down.

Witnesses wanted to testify but tRump tRomped them down.Who wanted to testify but was TrumpTromped?

Who wanted to testify but was TrumpTromped?
You're kidding, right?

Nope. Not kidding. Names of those who WANTED to testify but were prevented by Trump.

so is it over yet? it seems to have faded from the news here

Final vote is supposed to take place on Wednesday, or at least as I understand it. Then Pelosi and her bunch will likely start it all up again.

This is a distraction from the campaign, can they afford to do it again?

Great question. It is a sad commentary on the low place into which our country has descended. It seems there is a battle for our national soul.

Great question. It is a sad commentary on the low place into which our country has descended. It seems there is a battle for our national soul.
So true! And the Romans descended even farther. Sounds like we're going down the same path.

http://www.everygoddamnday.com/2020/02/crumbling-us-senate-echoes-roman.html

So true! And the Romans descended even farther. Sounds like we're going down the same path.

http://www.everygoddamnday.com/2020/02/crumbling-us-senate-echoes-roman.html

Well you haven't had the assassination in the Senate yet but beware the ides of March

This is a distraction from the campaign, can they afford to do it again?


it is already happening in Iowa .

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/what-happened-iowa-caucus/606037/

The Russian bots hacked the Dem server and threw the caucus into chaos. All the Dems declared victory as they left Iowa last night proving that in the woke world equality of result is the ideal of fairness . They should just hand out participation trophies and move on . And if Bernie complains ,he should just look at it as redistribution of the votes .




there was one clear winner in Iowa … Trump won the Republican caucus by a landslide !

Well you haven't had the assassination in the Senate yet but beware the ides of March

March Madness? That's when John Bolton is supposed to get his book released. The one that supposedly declares the dufus told him that he was going to withhold the assistance money until the Ukraine publicly announced an investigation into the Biden's for corruption without a shred of evidence, just allegations. Of course repubs voted not to call him to testify, and are saying publicly there is nothing wrong with holding the money because he has a right to investigate corruption even after the government certified there was none already, and the dufus himself signed the bill for it. Since the dufus released the money after he got caught by a whistleblower, there was no crime and the Ukraine never announced such an investigation so no foul.

Bolton's testimony blows a whole in that theory, and demonstrates his real intent of attempting to extort a foreign country to throw dirt on his potential political foe under the lie of looking for corruption. While repubs are saying that's not right to do so, they also say it's not bad enough to be booted from office or even admonished or slapped on the wrist.

Of course the dufus also told repub senators he would stop anyone in his cabinet from testifying before them too, as he did the House dems, so Moscow Mitch and the repubs have squashed ALL witnesses, and will officially end the impeachment investigations on Wednesday after the state of the union is delivered, effectively helping the dufus continue to obstruct justice, and allow the champion of corruption and the right wing loonies to survive yet another challenge to his reign by the liberal left.

Repubs spent Sunday and Monday speaking of how bad the dufus actions were, while protecting him from the other side of their mouths.


it is already happening in Iowa .

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/what-happened-iowa-caucus/606037/

The Russian bots hacked the Dem server and threw the caucus into chaos. All the Dems declared victory as they left Iowa last night proving that in the woke world equality of result is the ideal of fairness . They should just hand out participation trophies and move on . And if Bernie complains ,he should just look at it as redistribution of the votes .




there was one clear winner in Iowa … Trump won the Republican caucus by a landslide !

Dems looked pretty stupid and incompetent didn't they! No doubt the dufus will point that out during his campaign rally tonight at the SOTU address.

corruption without a shred of evidence, just allegations.So Trump wanted to used the same strategy that the House dems used for impeachment, or that the Senate dems used against Kavanaugh? Fascinating.

Dems looked pretty stupid and incompetent didn't they! No doubt the dufus will point that out during his campaign rally tonight at the SOTU address.


"Siri, show me what Democrats will do if they run America's economy and healthcare system"

tomder55: TRUMP WON IOWA....PERIOD! And he will win in November by a landslide.

"Siri, show me what Democrats will do if they run America's economy and healthcare system"


Past performance by Clinton and Obama indicates either a slow steady growing healthy economy that may balance the budget, and expanding Medicaid to cover more poor people, and upgrade private health insurance coverage for consumers. Historical fact already. You knew that though didn't you?

Machin and Murkowski are wanting the dufus censured (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/impeachment-vote-dilemma-traps-senate-moderates-of-both-parties/ar-BBZDkMz?ocid=spartanntp) as an appropriate action for his bad behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

I cant blame Manchin he's trying to keep a Dem seat in the state where all the Dems are promising to kill the jobs in the state . He has to walk on egg shells . What you will see tomorrow is a bi-partisan vote to acquit.

Past performance by Clinton and Obama indicates either a slow steady growing healthy economy that may balance the budget,In what universe did you find that Obama balanced the budget? You were, however, correct about the slow growing economy.


and expanding Medicaid to cover more poor people, and upgrade private health insurance coverage for consumers. Historical fact already. You knew that though didn't you?And you do remember that he did it by lying about us being able to keep our doctors and our current health policies? Historical facts?

And you do remember that he did it by lying about us being able to keep our doctors and our current health policies? Historical facts?
My son was able to keep his doctor. You couldn't keep yours?

In what universe did you find that Obama balanced the budget? You were, however, correct about the slow growing economy.

And you do remember that he did it by lying about us being able to keep our doctors and our current health policies? Historical facts?

Read it again dude, I said Obama AND Clinton, the last dem presidents, though I left off Carter. Obama didn't lie you can keep your doctors if the doctors AND your insurances companies agree. Most did many didn't and some junk insurances that may have been affordable for premiums didn't cover some things that were needed any way...rip offs so while not perfect, better than it was for poor under insured folks for sure.

Slow and study works for me as Obama's growth numbers are comparable to the dufus's so far as well as job creation and unemployment so for all the dufus bragging the trend lines are very similar. Obama Care was for Medicaid expansion and private insurance customers. 85% of insured Americans saw no changes.


I thought you had employer provided insurance? Most of those folks that can keep their kids on their policies and get insurance despite having a pre existing condition are happy as a lark.

My son was able to keep his doctor. You couldn't keep yours?I was not able to keep my health plan and now I have a constant battle for pre-authorization of medicines and procedures AND my out of pocket expenses have risen dramatically .

I thought you had that employer provided stuff too.

Employers do not ,nor can they provide 100 % of the cost of insuring their employees anymore . My employer takes a big hit by assisting in the coverage of over 600 employees . But the costs are prohibitive and it does affect hiring practices .Every employee benefit is a cost calculation when it comes to hiring . There is a ton of negotiations behind the scene every year and seemingly every year there have been changes to the insurance since Obamacare than impacts the employees and the employer's bottom line.

That Obama lied about the details of his health care proposal is a simple matter of history. https://conservative-daily.com/2014/03/15/obamacare-lie-revealed-obama-admits-you-cant-keep-your-doctor/

Employers do not ,nor can they provide 100 % of the cost of insuring their employees anymore . My employer takes a big hit by assisting in the coverage of over 600 employees . But the costs are prohibitive and it does affect hiring practices .Every employee benefit is a cost calculation when it comes to hiring . There is a ton of negotiations behind the scene every year and seemingly every year there have been changes to the insurance since Obamacare than impacts the employees and the employer's bottom line.

That's always been the case as health insurances cost have always gone up, NEVER down, and I remember very well the years of union contracts we signed that brought us better benefits at the costs of higher wages. It's actually cheaper to pay overtime rather than add employees, and robots are the best workers. Not good for a man needing a job in modern factories, but I know well those long negotiations. There is another factor you should be aware of Tom, as us boomer retire and need our meds for our old folk conditions, as the biggest population group our bills will get bigger too. It's VERY complex, with many factors but no worries, the dufus is dismantling Obama Care in small pieces but costs are still going to rise and good luck making it better.

Insurance companies AND big pharma have always had CONTROL over policies and the bottom line rules. Who pays for all those drug commercials and ads?


That Obama lied about the details of his health care proposal is a simple matter of history. https://conservative-daily.com/2014/03/15/obamacare-lie-revealed-obama-admits-you-cant-keep-your-doctor/

Throw those loony right wing rant rags out and get with the sites with facts and data. Your mind is closed to facts, evidence and the truth anyway and I suppose repeating right wing talking points is a lot easier than the critical thinking required for informed analysis.

So you have some facts and data? I would be happy to look at them. Just bear in mind that an opinion is not facts/data, and a link to nowhere is not facts/data.

We have a great archive as I have said before! Pretty good discussion back then. Start browsing around page 6, which is about 2009 and work your way forward. The archive link is at the bottom of every page.

If you want to post something, then do it. I'm not going to dig around the dusty archives looking for what I don't think is there to begin with.

It's not a homework assignment dude, but I thought it would interest you and you would just browse at your leisure.

OK can we put this one to rest now, Trump accuitted only one Republican, republican lite, thought Trump had abused power, So the Congress is not all powerful, in fact, has had its wings clipped

Blow the man down, blow the man down, what does it take to blow the man down? new demonrat rally song

Paraclete: NOBODY, from Red China to France to Germany or even the U.S. House Of Representatives, is going to push this POTUS around: If no one believed that before, they ought to believe it now.

And, if I was on the side that has been slinging sh$t sandwiches at Trump for the past three years (more, the conspiracy started BEFORE he got into Office), I would be getting prepared for payback from Trump: You can't abuse a man like Trump and not expect retaliation...guy is German, its guaranteed.

Paraclete: NOBODY, from Red China to France to Germany or even the U.S. House Of Representatives, is going to push this POTUS around: If no one believed that before, they ought to believe it now.

And, if I was on the side that has been slinging sh$t sandwiches at Trump for the past three years (more, the conspiracy started BEFORE he got into Office), I would be getting prepared for payback from Trump: You can't abuse a man like Trump and not expect retaliation...guy is German, its guaranteed.

Revenge is a dish best served cold

I would hope we would move on and try to tackle some truly significant problems.

I would hope we would move on and try to tackle some truly significant problems.

and what might they be, with a hostile House doing anything significant is unlikely

There you righties go again. Ready to sweep yet another abuse by the dufus under the rug to get back to an agenda. Do you really think dems will just move on and get back to helping you after the first trial in history with no witnesses and documents, not that you needed it, but America was watching too, and while you may be okay with this rigged trial, just as many will not be. These events have done nothing to bridge the partisan gap, and I dare say the divide has widened.

Dems take solace in the fact we know after getting over like a fat rat the dufus will undoubtedly do something else to get himself IMPEACHED yet again. LOL, you righty dufus defenders do too! This is just another chapter in the book of dufus.


Paraclete: NOBODY, from Red China to France to Germany or even the U.S. House Of Representatives, is going to push this POTUS around: If no one believed that before, they ought to believe it now.

And, if I was on the side that has been slinging sh$t sandwiches at Trump for the past three years (more, the conspiracy started BEFORE he got into Office), I would be getting prepared for payback from Trump: You can't abuse a man like Trump and not expect retaliation...guy is German, its guaranteed.

He doesn't play well with others and he is still a bully, and no doubt he hasn't learned a lesson in his life but he knows he made enemies and we all know he won't forget them.


and what might they be, with a hostile House doing anything significant is unlikely

The senate leader has many pieces of legislation on his desk already and hasn't brought any of them to the senate for even a debate, so the chances of anything happening is really small and would almost be unheard of during an election year any way. Sit back and enjoy the campaign commercials. That's all you'll get from government.

You must be out of popcorn Clete, or was it burned in the fire?

You must be out of popcorn Clete, or was it burned in the fire?

No popcorn here Tal, there is a drought

There you righties go again. Ready to sweep yet another abuse by the dufus under the rug to get back to an agenda. Do you really think dems will just move on and get back to helping you after the first trial in history with no witnesses and documents, not that you needed it, but America was watching too, and while you may be okay with this rigged trial, just as many will not be.Do I expect the dems to accept defeat and start working for the good of the country? No. There were many witnesses in the House. No one had any first hand evidence of guilt. That's just how it was. Time to move on.

Fortunately for me I have developed many distractions for the increasing onslaught of silly season shenanigans over the years, since the wild protests of the 70's, marked by civil disobedience, protests, marches, and rally's that the youth are continuing now, that morphed into the civil participation years of working to promote local, state, and national candidates, and organizing money and people, poll watching, and that sort of stuff.

No popcorn during a drought? I hope you can at least stream a few favorite movies, as you recover from the devastation mother nature has wrought you. Without some creature comforts, I find politics just unbearable!

Do I expect the dems to accept defeat and start working for the good of the country? No. There were many witnesses in the House. No one had any first hand evidence of guilt. That's just how it was. Time to move on.

You won this battle, but this whole exercise was about the good of the country, and your dufusites saved the dufus butt for the moment, but the court of public opinion is still out. Repub shenanigans will not win that battle and moving on means the NEXT battle.

LOL you're still sticking with that first hand evidence of guilt while hiding them from the public excuse? Good luck with that, you'll need it and the wild card is always the words and behavior of the dufus and what he does NEXT!

LOL you're still sticking with that first hand evidence of guilt while hiding them from the public excuse? Good luck with that, you'll need it and the wild card is always the words and behavior of the dufus and what he does NEXT!Yeah. That silly ole "evidence" thing still counts. You can't convict someone just because you hate them.

I think if the dems really wanted to help both themselves and the country, then they would attempt to look serious and not merely vengeful. We are running a trillion dollar budget deficit. What should be done about that? Social Security is heading towards a train wreck. Maybe we should try to avert that. What long term plans can be put in place to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels? How can we reduce spending? How can we reduce our military footprint around the world? These are serious issues that need to be addressed, but I suspect Pelosi and her gang will continue this vendetta against Trump. If they do, then I also suspect the American people will vote enough of them out in November to give the repubs control of Congress.

For sure the American people already voted enough repubs out of the house in the last election in 2018, to disrupt the total control the repubs had on the congress. Most Americans liked that outcome, and will take the words actions of the dufus and his repub protectors as a rally cry for 2020 after the rigged trial of senate repubs. As to evidence of wrong doing? (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/5-things-we-learned-and-still-dont-know-after-the-trump-impeachment-saga/ar-BBZGZ2b?ocid=spartandhp) Despite your position of NONE JL, it's still out there, and more waiting to be revealed.

Dems proved the case, and more repubs are acknowledging wrong doing (https://twnews.us/us-news/republicans-know-trump-did-it-know-it-was-wrong-know-he-ll-do-it-again-still-don-t-care).

Yes. They gave the House to the dems, and look what has happened. Nothing but a fruitcake impeachment effort.

Revealed facts we needed to know, not just about the dufus way of doing things, but what the lengths he will go through to cover up their corruption. Everybody knew it was a rigged process, the senate leaders said it would be when the impeachment was announced. Even repubs are saying he was wrong while voting not guilty.

Hardly fruitless, or fruitcake.

Revealed facts we needed to know, not just about the dufus way of doing things, but what the lengths he will go through to cover up their corruption. Everybody knew it was a rigged process, the senate leaders said it would be when the impeachment was announced. Even repubs are saying he was wrong while voting not guilty.Was it rigged when dozens of democrat had already decided to vote for impeachment THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION? Was it rigged when the House limited the ability of repubs to call witnesses? Was it rigged when most of the dems already had their minds made up BEFORE the hearings even began? Was it rigged when not a single dem had any interest in questioning Hunter/Joe Biden? Was it rigged when lies were presented to the FISA judge in order to get this whole circus started?

Once again, your moral outrage is extraordinarily selective.

Do you really think dems will just move on
Not likely . The toad Nadler is already plotting his next vindictive act. He's had a blood feud with Trump going back decades . So he is not letting it go . And Schiff head has been so battered over the twin trashing he received from his Russia hoax and the Ukraine hoax that he will do anything to salvage himself . But I believe Madam Mim is smart enough to go and pout but not try something so stupid as impeachment again. Schiff deceived her into believing he had the goods on Trump because he never thought that Trump would release the transcript of his conversation with Zelensky. Once Trump did the game was up . Russia and Ukraine agreed to a cease fire . They came to a gas agreement too. What you missed it ? That is because y'all were obsessed with trying to drive Trump from office and weren't paying attention . Did you know that Zelensky and Putin had a summit ? Neither want Ukraine to be the battlefield that Democrats appear to want . There was multiple exchanges of prisoners including the Ukrainians taken off of ships .When was this happening ? When Madam Mim was holding on to the articles of Impeachment afraid to proceed with the process because she knew of the pending disaster that befell the Democrats this week

The Demos didn't prove their case against Trump, as evidenced that TRUMP WAS AQUITTED: Its just the way our system works....you couldn't convince the Republican Senate that Trump was guilty. Your House Manager DID AN AWEFUL JOB! Schiff is a DINGBAT, as is Nadler: They are so full of themselves that they were, more or less, fighting over the Press microphone: HILARIOUS, if it weren't so sad. Pick better horses next time. You know that the Demos have hurt their meager chances in November: 1) Trump waxes any candidate the Demos can put up; 2)The Senate will stay Republican and they will pick up votes; and 3) The Republican will flip the House, likely.

Nancy Pelosi acted like a spoiled child when she ripped up President Trump's speed after the State Of The Union Address: People noticed this weirdness.

Trump is just getting set to unleash the POWER OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT upon the nasty Biden Crime Family: The have asked for the travel records of Hunter Biden on the trips he took with Old Biden: TRUMP IS GOING TO GET HIS POUND OF FLESH....SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE PUBLICLY FLOGGED....THERE WILL BE AN OFFENSIVE BY THE RIGHT.

Meanwhile: This is what we have....TWO PARTIES....problems with no resolutions because we have one party blocking the other party.....This is why we need a 3rd Party.

Was it rigged when dozens of democrat had already decided to vote for impeachment THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION?


No more than Moscow Mitch dedicating his efforts to making Obama a one termed president! He failed.


Was it rigged when the House limited the ability of repubs to call witnesses?


The WB, Adan Schiff, the Biden's? None are relevant to the dufus actions, not even the WB who started this thing after the WB allegations were corborated by subsequent 13 plus witnesses. Same thing happened to HC remember during her 7 hearings in the House. Pretty common for the majority to make the rules isn't it?

Was it rigged when most of the dems already had their minds made up BEFORE the hearings even began?

Which hearings? Dems didn't even have the votes for inquiry until the Ukraine stuff came to light and that was 3 and a half years after the dufus was elected.

Was it rigged when not a single dem had any interest in questioning Hunter/Joe Biden?

I'll bite, explain the relevance of the Biden's in this mess? Never mind, I have already right wing conspiracy seen the conspiracy theory about the Biden's and you have no evidence to even investigate the guy ad what's stopped the senate from calling him if it was all that important and relevant? It wasn't because the fix to acquit was already in. Still don't believe me? Just ask Turtle face. He said it was before the articles of impeachment were even delivered. Now that's RIGGED!

Was it rigged when lies were presented to the FISA judge in order to get this whole circus started?

How many separate investigations are you throwing into this pot?


Once again, your moral outrage is extraordinarily selective.

Guilty as YOU are!

Meanwhile: This is what we have....TWO PARTIES....problems with no resolutions because we have one party blocking the other party.....This is why we need a 3rd Party.


No you don't really want that, a system where there are minor parties leads to even more stalemates and splinter groups. Imagine the situation where you have a Black party or a Hispanic party

No you don't really want that, a system where there are minor parties leads to even more stalemates and splinter groups. Imagine the situation where you have a Black party or a Hispanic party

We have that already Clete. The dem party is a coalition of many interests, races, and factions. Repubs a lot less so, as far as racial make up goes, but every walk of white dudes is represented, along with a few non whites.

We have that already Clete. The dem party is a coalition of many interests, races, and factions. Repubs a lot less so, as far as racial make up goes, but every walk of white dudes is represented, along with a few non whites.

Not what vac is suggesting Tal, go have your coffee

I don't suggest anything to do with race, only mindset and preferences other than that offered by the Demos or Repubs: And therein lies the fear for the Demos, in particularly: They fear losing CONTROL OF THE ETHNIC VOTING: This is not what any of us should concern ourselves with, really.....We have to stop the RACE BAITING!

We have to stop the RACE BAITING!
Yes, especially the gerrymandering and telling indigenous people on reservations that they can't vote because their house doesn't have a number.

No more than Moscow Mitch dedicating his efforts to making Obama a one termed president! He failed.
So you are admitting it was rigged. Fine. If you want to say both the House and the Senate arranged things to benefit themselves, then you might have a point.




The WB, Adan Schiff, the Biden's? None are relevant to the dufus actions, not even the WB who started this thing after the WB allegations were corborated by subsequent 13 plus witnesses. Same thing happened to HC remember during her 7 hearings in the House. Pretty common for the majority to make the rules isn't it?
OK. You're really saying that the WB was not relevant? His motives were not relevant? His past association with the dem party was not relevant? And the only thing that was corroborated was the fact that Trump had a phone call, the contents of which were made public, and their non-criminal nature made obvious, very early on.


Which hearings? Dems didn't even have the votes for inquiry until the Ukraine stuff came to light and that was 3 and a half years after the dufus was elected.The hearings that resulted in articles of impeachment. It hasn't been 3.5 years since his election even today. That certainly was not true last summer.

Not likely . The toad Nadler is already plotting his next vindictive act. He's had a blood feud with Trump going back decades . So he is not letting it go . And Schiff head has been so battered over the twin trashing he received from his Russia hoax and the Ukraine hoax that he will do anything to salvage himself . But I believe Madam Mim is smart enough to go and pout but not try something so stupid as impeachment again. Schiff deceived her into believing he had the goods on Trump because he never thought that Trump would release the transcript of his conversation with Zelensky. Once Trump did the game was up . Russia and Ukraine agreed to a cease fire . They came to a gas agreement too. What you missed it ? That is because y'all were obsessed with trying to drive Trump from office and weren't paying attention . Did you know that Zelensky and Putin had a summit ? Neither want Ukraine to be the battlefield that Democrats appear to want . There was multiple exchanges of prisoners including the Ukrainians taken off of ships .When was this happening ? When Madam Mim was holding on to the articles of Impeachment afraid to proceed with the process because she knew of the pending disaster that befell the Democrats this week

Oh come on we've been seeing these treaties summits and agreements for years (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/10/russia-and-ukraine-agree-to-ceasefire-by-the-end-of-2019.html) that get trashed by Russia at a whim. That's why were in this mess. This is another one like the other ones so call me when the troops actually leave. I always liked your spin though Tom, especially about the dems and your favorite from the west coast. I do hope they get some peace in that region though but trusting a Russian without verification was something King Reagan preached never to do. I still believe in that.

What do you call an administration who has an enemies list and a TV station of hitmen (and women)? The dufus is publicly checking his list, and vowing to take no prisoners. Heck! He won and refuses to move on, and all you conservatives think it's the dems who won't get over it? We can't have a "CIVIL" war like that! You know good and darn well losers of a battle lick wounds and reload!


Yes, especially the gerrymandering and telling indigenous people on reservations that they can't vote because their house doesn't have a number.

You forget the purging of minorities that don't respond to their silly junk mail notices if indeed they actually send them out.

You forget the purging of minorities that don't respond to their silly junk mail notices if indeed they actually send them out.Of course the "junk mail" is only sent to minorities. If you have any real evidence of that, I'd love to see it. Sounds to me just like more senseless complaining.

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I think that says it all

Of course the "junk mail" is only sent to minorities. If you have any real evidence of that, I'd love to see it. Sounds to me just like more senseless complaining.

I'll be happy to dismiss your research out of hand without seeing it too JL.

Pretty good Clete! He needs a dog to come home to kick!

I'll be happy to dismiss your research out of hand without seeing it too JL.I'm not the one making a senseless, baseless claim. That would be you. It's just another example of race-based fantasy with no truth whatsoever supporting it. The terrible thing is that many people believe that nonsense and it allows them to sit down and say, "There is no point in me disciplining myself since, after all, those nasty repubs are trying to take away my right to vote anyway." Providing people with excuses is a wicked undertaking.

jlisenbe: Absolutely true: The ENTIRE LYNDON JOHNSON GREAT SOCIETY DEBACLE was aimed at re-enslaving the Negro race and setting them up to simply be WOMB TO TOMB Demo voting machine level pullers....they could have given one damn about the Negro people or any other people, for that matter: its all about DEMOS STAYING IN POWER AT ANY COSTS!

Wonder if that was anything like Nixons southern strategy? I'll say it again, you repubs look like your constituents, and dems look like their constituents. Look for yourselves you don't have to take my word for it. That doesn't make either of you any more credible with race relations if you don't believe in it in the first place. ou just THINK you know what's on black persons mind but you don't have a clue so you talk and shut both ears instead of using your ears for a change.

Are you THAT threatened?

Come on, Tal. You offer a lot of your opinion, and that's fine as far as it goes, but it does not compel others to believe you. At some point there has to be data to support your ideas. You say dems look like their constituents? Well, if you look at the dems running for pres, which ones look like lower income minorities? And you have look at that as low income AND minorities. How do you answer that? As to what's on the minds of black people, you seem to suppose that ALL black people think exactly alike and so you know what ALL black people think. Isn't that the very definition of prejudice? I'm happy to report that black people by the hundreds of thousands are beginning to break free from the bondage of having their thinking dictated to them by liberal dems and are beginning to think like free men and women in order to make their own choices. It's a wonderful thing to observe.

The nominees are but a small group of the total which delivered HC 3 million more votes than the dufus, so spare me your prejudice that minorities are under control of dem libs when most are DEM LIBS too! Make sense? I suppose it would be wonderful to support conservative repubs in mass numbers then they would not have to resort to the tricks and traps to keep power.

But that's just my opinion and yours happens to be different.

Add interesting factoid

The 48 senators who voted to convict represent 12 million more people than the 52 that acquitted the dufus. STRANGE?

minorities are under control of dem libs when most are DEM LIBS too! You just don't see it, do you?


The 48 senators who voted to convict represent 12 million more people than the 52 that acquitted the dufus. STRANGE?Yet again makes me glad that we're a republic.

Some more factoids. Trump approval rating, despite the all out offensive of the dems, is now 49%. At the same point in their presidencies, your dearly beloved Obama was 45%, Clinton 47%, and HW 46%. In the meantime, the approval rating for Congress is only 23%. Hmmm and hmmm.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

You're right, I don't see why you insist on wanting what you can't seem to earn. I suppose it's normal to gloat when things go your way, but we both know that can change again don't we?

I don't see why you insist on wanting what you can't seem to earn.What?


I suppose it's normal to gloat when things go your way, but we both know that can change again don't we?I'm really not gloating. I've said it a million times that I am not a big supporter of Trump. I do appreciate what he has done with the economy, standing up for the unborn, and appointing fed judges who actually want to adhere to the Constitution. However, I despise these budget deficits and I don't care for his abusive speech, but he is a vast improvement, in my judgement, over Obama and a million years ahead of the loonies currently running for the dem nomination. Might add that I don't think a pres should be impeached just because he is unlikable.

You're right, I don't see why you insist on wanting what you can't seem to earn. I suppose it's normal to gloat when things go your way, but we both know that can change again don't we?

Yes indeed I have had a few investments that have gone south

What?

The words, actions, and behavior really turns minorities off, yet you insist on repeating the same stuff that keeps turning minorities off.


I'm really not gloating. I've said it a million times that I am not a big supporter of Trump. I do appreciate what he has done with the economy, standing up for the unborn, and appointing fed judges who actually want to adhere to the Constitution. However, I despise these budget deficits and I don't care for his abusive speech, but he is a vast improvement, in my judgement, over Obama and a million years ahead of the loonies currently running for the dem nomination. Might add that I don't think a pres should be impeached just because he is unlikable.

I guess you will just have to live with the fact that even though the dufus and repubs want credit for this economy, dems and minorities saw Obama build it during a crisis and with much opposition from you guys for 8 years. Repubs always giving rich guys money and blasting the poor and minorities doesn't help your case much either, and the conservative drive to discriminate, suppress, oppress minorities rights in the name of some moral imperative will never win them over.

Saying you're not a big supporter of the dufus falls on deaf ears here, because your own words say otherwise. You are thrilled with what he has done and others are not is the simple answer, and while he rides high on the tide as he ever has now, watch what he does next! After his fixed senate trial result, no doubt the pain and humiliation of his foes surely will follow, and indeed has started with his SOTU campaign rally, shake up of his advisors, and his sycophants targeting his campaign foes for him.

You may say your not a big supporter JL, but you have gone along with his bad words, and actions just the same, and will keep doing so, while trying to flip the script back to us, the dems, and of course Obama right?

The words, actions, and behavior really turns minorities off, yet you insist on repeating the same stuff that keeps turning minorities off.First of all, how would you possibly know what turns off all minorities? Secondly, perhaps it need to be said because it is true and it will help those who listen to it. Kind of a stunning revelation, isn't it?

As for the rest of your post, it's the same old tired mantra of how Obama, who could not produce a thriving economy in his eight years, is somehow responsible for what we have now. That's ridiculous. It's like a fired college coach claiming it was his hard work that enabled the next guy to win a national championship.

As to my support of Trump, unlike those of you who worshiped Obama and still cannot bring yourself to say even a single critical word about him. I am perfectly willing to be critical of Trump where he deserves it and have done so many times. Big difference. I have not gone along with his bad words. You need to stop making it up as you go along.

Flip the script back to Obama? Didn't you just do that in your post? That was you, wasn't it?

First of all, how would you possibly know what turns off all minorities? Secondly, perhaps it need to be said because it is true and it will help those who listen to it. Kind of a stunning revelation, isn't it?

Kind of obvious since that's who they support, and have championed minority causes much more than repubs have and makes more sense than dems have a voodoo hold over them as you have eluded or that they cannot think for themselves and don't know what furthers their own interests. Plus dems don use the same tricks and traps minorities find onerous, admit publicly, and the rest of repubs go along with it like voter ID laws and then close their local DMV.


As for the rest of your post, it's the same old tired mantra of how Obama, who could not produce a thriving economy in his eight years, is somehow responsible for what we have now. That's ridiculous. It's like a fired college coach claiming it was his hard work that enabled the next guy to win a national championship.

It was growing and healthy and enabled the next president to benefits of a good economy no matter who won. That's a big deal and better than coming into a mess as Obama did, and the way the dufus lies out his orange butt that he did. Even you analogy is more than a bit bogus since college coach's don't get fired for winning, and who would believe a fired losing coach for claiming credit for another coaches success? That's a ridicules enough an analogy I've ever heard. Plus Obama wasn't fired, and is still respected for his years of service.


As to my support of Trump, unlike those of you who worshiped Obama and still cannot bring yourself to say even a single critical word about him. I am perfectly willing to be critical of Trump where he deserves it and have done so many times. Big difference. I have not gone along with his bad words. You need to stop making it up as you go along.

Just my opinion but that's pretty petty to want fans of the previous president to criticize him after he is gone. He was our hero, the dufus is yours, just live with it dude.


Flip the script back to Obama? Didn't you just do that in your post? That was you, wasn't it?

I flip nothing but you do all the time.

Just my opinion but that's pretty petty to want fans of the previous president to criticize him after he is gone. He was our hero,How about just wanting Obama supporters to cease their genuflecting and get honest over his presidency? You want to say his economy was "good". I would say he did an OK job aided by a doubling of the national debt. Now Trump took the economy Obama left and has it setting records. That is simply the truth. You hate Trump so you won't accept it.


voter ID laws and then close their local DMV.Closing a DMV is only a problem if the state does not provide other means of ID. Mississippi has done that and I imagine most other states have done as well. But if you want to keep going down that tired old road, then explain to all of us why it is necessary to show ID to buy alcohol or tobacco, but not to vote. Is verifying age for alcohol more important than verifying name for voting???


who would believe a fired losing coach for claiming credit for another coaches success? Isn't that what you're basically doing?


]I flip nothingYOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP OBAMA, and then you accused me of "flipping the script" back to him. BUT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO DID IT, and in fact you just raised Obama's name again in this most recent post. If you don't want his name brought up, then police your own posts first before you start griping about mine.

I am perfectly willing to be critical of Trump where he deserves it
How about at the Super Bowl party? His wife and youngest son Barron were on each side of him, respectfully standing with right hand on heart, and solemnly singing along to the National Anthem. tRump? Oh, he was pointing and gestulating like a crazy man, then started to play crazy orchestra conductor. Then not long after was the Prayer Breakfast.... Everybody should have walked out in disgust.

I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye" -- actually part of the Code of Hammurabi, which predated the Bible -- NOT a verse in the Bible but mentioned by Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount, "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38–39)


You want to say [Obama's] economy was "good".
Obama took REPUBLICAN George W. Bush's economic disasters and turned them around. tRump is sailing on those breezes.

How about at the Super Bowl party? His wife and youngest son Barron were on each side of him, respectfully standing with right hand on heart, and solemnly singing along to the National Anthem. tRump? Oh, he was pointing and gestulating like a crazy man, then started to play crazy orchestra conductor. Then not long after was the Prayer Breakfast.... Everybody should have walked out in disgust.I will take your criticism as legit as long as you are equally willing to be critical of Kapernick for failing to even so much as STAND for the national anthem. Are you willing???


I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye" -- actually part of the Code of Hammurabi, which predated the Bible -- NOT a verse in the Bible but mentioned by Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount, "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38–39)You've read all of this where? Have you also read that Obama prayed for an hour a day and had the book of Isaiah memorized? Yeah. I didn't either.


Obama took REPUBLICAN George W. Bush's economic disasters and turned them around. tRump is sailing on those breezes.I have been willing all along to acknowledge that Obama managed to avoid disaster with the economy and had tepid growth during his eight years. Are you equally willing to acknowledge that, "Comparing the last 21 months of the Obama administration with the first 21 months of Trump’s, shows that under Trump’s watch, more than 10 times the number of manufacturing jobs were added?" Now I'm going to bet that what seems to be your bitter resentment of Trump and love of liberal ideology will prevent you from giving him the same credit that you fall all over yourself giving Obama, but hopefully I am wrong about that. Perhaps you will prove me wrong.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/10/16/the-trump-manufacturing-jobs-boom-10-times-obamas-over-21-months/#30b894c25850

I will take your criticism as legit as long as you are equally willing to be critical of Kapernick for failing to even so much as STAND for the national anthem. Are you willing???
I would kneel right next to him if I could!


You've read all of this where?
Trump: "Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That's not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what's happening to our country, I mean, when you see what's going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us, and how they scoff at us and laugh at us. And they laugh at our face, and they're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking the health of our country. And we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you."


I have been willing all along to acknowledge that Obama managed to avoid disaster with the economy and had tepid growth during his eight years. Are you equally willing to acknowledge that, "Comparing the last 21 months of the Obama administration with the first 21 months of Trump’s, shows that under Trump’s watch, more than 10 times the number of manufacturing jobs were added?" Now I'm going to bet that your bitter hatred of Trump will prevent you from giving him the same credit that you fall all over yourself giving Obama.
Sail along on Obama's breezes, Mr. Trump!

Trump: "Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That's not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what's happening to our country, I mean, when you see what's going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us, and how they scoff at us and laugh at us. And they laugh at our face, and they're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking the health of our country. And we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.So once again, where did he say any of this? "I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye."You gave a long rambling discourse in which you proved neither statement. Your interpretation of that quote is thoroughly dishonest. Trump was asked if he had a favorite Bible verse. His answer was, "I think many, so many." So on what planet do you think you managed to zero in on only one favorite verse when he plainly said he had "many"? ONE is not MANY. Boo! Be honest for goodness sake.

But I will certainly acknowledge that Trump's knowledge of the Bible is likely limited. But do you really think that your liberal hero, Mr. Obama, knew any more? You think that his support of abortion on demand and gay marriage came from the Bible?


I would kneel right next to him if I could!
Then don't be a hypocrite and be critical of Trump. You're worse than him by far.


Sail along on Obama's breezes, Mr. Trump!
About what I figured.I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.

About what I figured.I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.

This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced, rather they are dependent upon partisan views and no amount of biblical quotations and interpretation will alter that fact

I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.

Then why do you and the dufus engage in such filth?


This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced, rather they are dependent upon partisan views and no amount of biblical quotations and interpretation will alter that fact

That's what I said! 8O

So once again, where did he say any of this?

Billionaire real estate mogul and Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has said while it's "not a particularly nice thing," the Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures.

In an interview with WHAM 1180AM, Trump was asked to name his favirite verse in the Bible. He responded that he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye."
https://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verse-is-eye-for-an-eye.html

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/donald-trump.htm) revealed on Thursday that his favorite bible verse is "eye for an eye."

Trump made the revelation during an interview with conservative radio host Bob Lonsberry on WHAM 1180 AM in Rochester, New York, who had asked the real estate mogul-turned-presidential candidate if he had a favorite Bible verse or story that "informed" his thinking or character.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verse-eye-eye/story?id=38416270

Donald Trump said in a radio interview on Thursday that his favorite teaching in the Bible is the Old Testament punishment (http://biblehub.com/exodus/21-24.htm) of an "eye for eye."

"Is there a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?" [was the question] asked [by] host Bob Lonsberry on WHAM 1180 AM.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/donald-trumps-favorite-bible-teaching-is-eye-for-an-eye


But I will certainly acknowledge that Trump's knowledge of the Bible is likely limited.

Bwahahahahaha!!!! LIMITED???


But do you really think that your liberal hero, Mr. Obama, knew any more?

Yes, without a doubt!!!


You think that his support of abortion on demand
and gay marriage came from the Bible?

Yes!!! And I betcha he'd agree with me that, if guys kept their pants zipped, there wouldn't be a problem.

This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced,Do you include yourself in that?

WG, you do realize that you just posted a lot of text that categorically proves that "an eye for an eye" is NOT Trump's favorite text, but rather is one of his favorites? For instance, it says he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye." "The Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures."

Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.


Yes!!! And I betcha he'd agree with me that, if guys kept their pants zipped, there wouldn't be a problem.Yeah. I betcha he would, for what that's worth.

WG, you do realize that you just posted a lot of text that categorically proves that "an eye for an eye" is NOT Trump's favorite text, but rather is one of his favorites? For instance, it says he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye." "The Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures."
First of all, it's not a verse, nor a teaching. Second of all, FAVORITES??? Third of all, it's how he has run his life -- and still is. And Jesus said no, don't do this. Did tRump miss that part?


Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.
I didn't want to overwhelm you. Stay tuned.

Obama may or may not know books of the Bible, I don't know....Obama is not a dumb man by any means. I would venture to say Obama knows a lot about the Koran, and that is not a stab at Obama....he grew up, at least in part, in Indonesia and participated in a "Madrassa", where the Koran is memorized....probably had an indelible effect on him.

First of all, it's not a verse, nor a teaching. Second of all, FAVORITE??? Third of all, it's how he has run his life -- and still is.It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, [x (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21&version=NASB#fen-NASB-2103x)]bruise for bruise." I don't know how else to explain this. He never said it was his favorite. The most you could say is that it is among his favorites. You know, it might be that Trump knows more about the Bible than you do! (kidding)


I didn't want to overwhelm you. Stay tuned.That much is obvious. You've come up with zero, so I'm still staying tuned for any kind of answers. I feel very "unoverwhelmed". Many thanks!

Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.

When pressed a few days later in a Bloomberg TV interview, Trump declined to share his favorite Bible verses, saying: “I wouldn’t want to get into it. Because to me, that’s very personal.... The Bible means a lot to me, but I don’t want to get into specifics.” And when asked if he prefers the Old or New Testament, Trump responded, “Probably equal. I think it’s just incredible.”

A few weeks later [AFTER TALKING TO A CHRISTIAN SUPPORTER OR, MORE LIKELY, PAGING THROUGH A BIBLE], in an interview on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump expanded on his appreciation of the Bible:
"There’s so many things that you can learn from it. Proverbs, the chapter ‘never bend to envy.’ I’ve had that thing all of my life where people are bending to envy. Actually it’s an incredible book, so many things you can learn from the Bible and you can lead your life. I’m not just talking in terms of religion; I’m talking in terms of leading a life even beyond religion. There are so many brilliant things in the Bible.

The Bible, is special, the Bible — the more you see it, the more you read it, the more incredible it is. I don’t like to use this analogy, but like a great movie, a great, incredible movie. You’ll see it once it will be good. You’ll see it again. You can see it 20 times and every time you’ll appreciate it more. The Bible is the most special thing."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-and-the-bible_b_8912572

Where in all of that clutter was there any evidence that "an eye for an eye" was Trump's favorite verse, or that he did not know any books of the Bible? You're beginning to sound desperate. At least it does seem that you have accepted that "an eye for an eye" is a text of the Bible AND a teaching of the Bible.

It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, [x (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21&version=NASB#fen-NASB-2103x)]bruise for bruise." I don't know how else to explain this. He never said it was his favorite. The most you could say is that it is among his favorites. You know, it might be that Trump knows more about the Bible than you do! (kidding)
But that is much more complicated in Jewish law than what you are assuming by just seeing and reading the words. In any event, it's in the OT and doesn't apply to Christians.

But that is much more complicated in Jewish law than what you are assuming by just seeing and reading the words. In any event, it's in the OT and doesn't apply to Christians.I haven't assumed anything. I've said nothing at all about the meaning of the text. As a therapist, do you find it interesting that you have inserted your own assumptions about what you think I might believe? I have only said that it IS in the Bible. It does not apply to Christians on a personal level, but it is very much relevant as a principle of law.

I'm not suggesting Trump "knows his Bible" or that his life has been influenced by the Bible. I make no assumption that he is a Christian, but I don't care for people making false claims about him. I know of no evidence that Obama has ever made a confession of faith in Christ. He was a fan of abortion and gay marriage, and he lied whenever it suited him. Bash Trump if you want to, but please don't act like Obama or HC were candidates for sainthood.

I haven't assumed anything. I've said nothing at all about the meaning of the text. As a therapist, do you find it interesting that you have inserted your own assumptions about what you think I might believe? I have only said that it IS in the Bible. It does not apply to Christians on a personal level, but it is very much relevant as a principle of law.
Um, then what is this?

"It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye,"


I'm not suggesting Trump "knows his Bible" or that his life has been influenced by the Bible. I make no assumption that he is a Christian, but I don't care for people making false claims about him.
No false claims from me! He doesn't need me. He is his own worst enemy!


I know of no evidence that Obama has ever made a confession of faith in Christ. He was a fan of abortion and gay marriage, and he lied whenever it suited him. Bash Trump if you want to, but please don't act like Obama or HC were candidates for sainthood.
I said nothing about sainthood. And how did Hillary get into this????

"Barack Obama is a Protestant (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) Christian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians). While in his twenties, Obama was involved with the Black churches (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_churches). From 1992 until 2008, he was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_United_Church_of_Christ)—a Reformed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed) denomination. Obama left it in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy). Since 2008, he attends various Protestant (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) churches, including Baptist (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist), Methodist (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodist) and Episcopalian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(USA)) churches." (Wikipedia)

W.G.: Obama also went to a Madrassa to memorize the Koran when he lived in Indonesia.....does that guarantee that Obama is a Muslim? NO! Obama goes to Christian Churches now....and that doesn't guarantee that he is Christian, either. There have been times in my life when I went to Church and I was eat slap up with sin! It really doesn't matter how you "act", what you say, or, even, what you know, why? What matters resided INSIDE OF YOU....THE OTHER STUFF DOES NOT MATTER....We shouldn't judge, because: Let he who is without sin caste the first stone.

Religion, any of them, should be on a personal relationship with God basis, not a venue for public displays.

W.G.: Obama also went to a Madrassa to memorize the Koran when he lived in Indonesia.....does that guarantee that Obama is a Muslim? NO! Obama goes to Christian Churches now....and that doesn't guarantee that he is Christian, either. There have been times in my life when I went to Church and I was eat slap up with sin! It really doesn't matter how you "act", what you say, or, even, what you know, why? What matters resided INSIDE OF YOU....THE OTHER STUFF DOES NOT MATTER....We shouldn't judge, because: Let he who is without sin caste the first stone.

Religion, any of them, should be on a personal relationship with God basis, not a venue for public displays.
I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. I'm judging??? I, a Lutheran, attended a Southern Baptist VBS one summer. And attended church with my Catholic neighbors. And was part of an ecumenical weekly neighborhood Bible class. One member was atheist. Oh my, I'm going to hell!!

Um, then what is this?

"It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye,"


No false claims from me! He doesn't need me. He is his own worst enemy!


I said nothing about sainthood. And how did Hillary get into this????

"Barack Obama is a Protestant (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) Christian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians). While in his twenties, Obama was involved with the Black churches (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_churches). From 1992 until 2008, he was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_United_Church_of_Christ)—a Reformed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed) denomination. Obama left it in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy). Since 2008, he attends various Protestant (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) churches, including Baptist (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist), Methodist (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodist) and Episcopalian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(USA)) churches." (Wikipedia)

BO was a closet Muslim, the Christianity was a sham, just expedient on the path to the WH, and attending church while being affiliated with none means nothing

Paraclete: If what you say about Obama is true, then he is truly, truly, truly a disgusting human being...and not because he could be a Muslim or not but for denying his chosen religion while cloaking to imitate his belonging to another....this is a horrible thing to do.

What is obvious, from W.G.'s writings, Obama CANNOT be a Protestant Christian if he attends Episcopal Church (not compatible as Episcopalian is a Catholics rooted scism).

BO was a closet Muslim, the Christianity was a sham, just expedient on the path to the WH, and attending church while being affiliated with none means nothing

Wow, Clete, pretty provocative even for you, but I doubt has a shred of truth given his lovely wife and children, but any religion he choses he has been as good an example as any, and left his dubious, morally challenged replacement a solid foundation to start with. LOL, I have to give you a pass though as I don't think either of them impresses you at all.


Paraclete: If what you say about Obama is true, then he is truly, truly, truly a disgusting human being...and not because he could be a Muslim or not but for denying his chosen religion while cloaking to imitate his belonging to another....this is a horrible thing to do.

What is obvious, from W.G.'s writings, Obama CANNOT be a Protestant Christian if he attends Episcopal Church (not compatible as Episcopalian is a Catholics rooted scism).

A man can be anything he chooses and worship what he pleases with whom he pleases to worship with. One thing about every major religion is the variety they have within them. You could say unique unto it's own congregations.

Wow, Clete, pretty provocative even for you, but I doubt has a shred of truth given his lovely wife and children, but any religion he choses he has been as good an example as any, and left his dubious, morally challenged replacement a solid foundation to start with. LOL, I have to give you a pass though as I don't think either of them impresses you at all.



A man can be anything he chooses and worship what he pleases with whom he pleases to worship with. One thing about every major religion is the variety they have within them. You could say unique unto it's own congregations.

Your each way bet doesn't impress me, there is only one truth

Um, then what is this?

"It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye,"Um, it is exactly what I said it was. It is a statement that, unlike your ridiculously false claim, "an eye for an eye" really is a scripture found in the Bible. What it is NOT is any assumption of meaning for that text. Are all women as stubborn as you are when it comes to admitting being wrong??? (<:


No false claims from me! He doesn't need me. He is his own worst enemy! No, you made no false claims unless, of course, you count your claims that Trump had a favorite verse, a false claim that even your own documentation disproved, and that he did not know any books of the Bible, another equally false claim for which you had no support at all. Other than those two ridiculously false claims, then no, you made no false claims.

A man can be anything he chooses and worship what he pleases with whom he pleases to worship with. One thing about every major religion is the variety they have within them. You could say unique unto it's own congregations.A man can choose his own god to worship, but he cannot choose his own truth, and he cannot choose his own consequences.

Neither can YOU.

Jerry Falwell, a controversial Christian of the "Moral Majority" told a story that really distilled the root issue: I saw a bumper sticker in a car the other day that said "God said it, I believe it, and that's that!"....Well, that ain't right because that bumper sticker should have read "God said it and that's that! It doesn't matter if I believe it or not!". FALWELL'S version was the correct one.....I wasn't a follower of Falwell (I'm Catholic) but you don't have to be lock-step with everyone to find grains of truth that are universally applicable....and timeless!

Neither can YOU.Exactly correct. That's why it's beyond important that we get it right.

V7 to Paraclete: If what you say about Obama is true, then he is truly, truly, truly a disgusting human being...and not because he could be a Muslim or not but for denying his chosen religion while cloaking to imitate his belonging to another....this is a horrible thing to do.

WG: Obama is not a closet Muslim.

"Obama, born in 1961, lived in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/chi-070325obama-islam-story-archive-story.html


What is obvious, from W.G.'s writings, Obama CANNOT be a Protestant Christian if he attends Episcopal Church (not compatible as Episcopalian is a Catholics rooted scism).
Huh??? Again you don't make sense. So I am not a Protestant now because I set foot in a Catholic church and have prayed and studied the Bible with people of other denominations and beliefs? What God do YOU worship, V7?


Your each way bet doesn't impress me, there is only one truth
Which one?


Um, it is exactly what I said it was. It is a statement that, unlike your ridiculously false claim, "an eye for an eye" really is a scripture found in the Bible. What it is NOT is any assumption of meaning for that text. Are all women as stubborn as you are when it comes to admitting being wrong??? (<:

Yes, it's referred to IN the Bible but is NOT a teaching.

W.G.: Six or seven years old in an Islamic School makes a mark on your psyche....and that DOES NOT MEAN OBAMA IS MUSLIM...it does mean that he has been impacted in his thought processes by Muslim ideology, and he can't help it, it is deeply buried in his subconsciousness.

Did not say you couldn't enter a non-Protestant Church if you were Protestant...not at all! All I am saying is that it is not normal behavior to alternate from one to the other on what looks to be a regular basis....a bit strange is all.

Yes, it's referred to IN the Bible but is NOT a teaching.Well, at least you've come to place of being half right. That's progress.

W.G.: Six or seven years old in an Islamic School makes a mark on your psyche....and that DOES NOT MEAN OBAMA IS MUSLIM...it does mean that he has been impacted in his thought processes by Muslim ideology, and he can't help it, it is deeply buried in his subconsciousness.
He was at that school for three years.

I grew up in and was in close contact for YEARS with a very conservative Christian family and church body. You've noticed how my beliefs are still very conservative. After all, like you say, we can never get away from our earlier training....


Did not say you couldn't enter a non-Protestant Church if you were Protestant...not at all! All I am saying is that it is not normal behavior to alternate from one to the other on what looks to be a regular basis....a bit strange is all.

You need to get out more and talk with people different from yourself.

You've noticed how my beliefs are still very conservative.I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.

I didn't know you had to check all the boxes of YOUR conservative idealogy to be certified a conservative.

I didn't know you had to check all the boxes of YOUR conservative idealogy to be certified a conservative.Who said you did?

I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.
You apparently missed seeing the sarcasm snugly hidden in that.

Not "espoused." Retained.

Who said you did?

Right here.



I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.

Right here.


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I must have missed the part where you have espoused conservative ideals.

I must have missed the part where I discussed checking boxes.

It was strongly implied when you criticize the idealogy of an avowed lifetime conservative. I could be mistaken, but that's what I heard, or read.

Checking boxes is just a term to qualify one for whatever we are discussing i.e. conservative idealogy.

It was strongly implied when you criticize the idealogy of an avowed lifetime conservative.Did you read her reply? Does that sound like the reply of an "avowed lifetime conservative"?


"You apparently missed seeing the sarcasm snugly hidden in that.

Did you read her reply? Does that sound like the reply of an "avowed lifetime conservative"?
What's your definition of conservative?

What's your definition of conservative?

It's just someone who doesn't like change, a traditionalist

What difference does it make? Didn't you disavow conservative views by stating, "You apparently missed seeing the sarcasm snugly hidden in that?"

Did you read her reply? Does that sound like the reply of an "avowed lifetime conservative"?

Not conservative enough for you maybe but in a sense practical as I've been observing over the years. I never believed conservatives always think alike on all things anyway.

Oh well. Forget it. She says she was being sarcastic in her pro conservative comment, and yet you continue to defend her conservative credentials . It just can get much more weird than this.

Oh well. Forget it. She says she was being sarcastic in her pro conservative comment, and yet you continue to defend her conservative credentials . It just can get much more weird than this.
I was (we were) talking about conservative Christian beliefs. As tal said, conservatives don't always think alike on everything. I'm conservative in certain areas.

LOL WG according to these conservatives you are not conservative enough, and don't espouse enough conservative values for them. For some reason you don't check enough boxes and fail the conservative litmus test. In doing so they show they may be ultra conservatives or far right wingers. Could be loonies, so watch it.

Whatever. I really don't care. I can only say that I have never read a comment from WG on this site that struck me as conservative, but maybe she'll present to us her conservative credentials and demonstrate it. I don't think she will, but one can be hopeful.

Whatever. I really don't care. I can only say that I have never read a comment from WG on this site that struck me as conservative, but maybe she'll present to us her conservative credentials and demonstrate it. I don't think she will, but one can be hopeful.

Do you know that "conservative" covers far more than religion and politics?

Please read all my responses since I joined in 2007 to see how conservative I can be.

LOL WG according to these conservatives you are not conservative enough, and don't espouse enough conservative values for them. For some reason you don't check enough boxes and fail the conservative litmus test. In doing so they show they may be ultra conservatives or far right wingers. Could be loonies, so watch it.

so she is pink instead of blue

Pink is very pretty and blends well with sky blue. That's what we need Clete, more hues of PURPLE!