I could have sworn the House invited him to the proceedings and he declined. (https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/11/u-s-house-committee-invites-trump-to-upcoming-impeachment-inquiry-hearing/) "In addition, the Democratic chairman also sent Trump a letter notifying him of his right to attend the hearing, as well as his counsel’s right to question the witnesses.".


In addition more facts! (https://www.cnnphilippines.com/world/2019/11/27/us-house-panel-invitation-donald-trump-and-counsel.html) Looks like WG nailed it as usual as it was reported last year.

In the US Constitution.No, it doesn't. The text reads, "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment." Nowhere in there does it say the pres cannot have council and cannot call witnesses. You are flat wrong.


This isn't the time, during the investigatory phase, where lawyers and witnesses are needed to defend when the evidence is brought forward by the House. That happens during the trial, which the Senate oversees.Complete nonsense and nowhere backed up by the Constitution.

From https://reason.com/2019/10/09/what-does-the-constitution-say-about-house-impeachment-proceedings/

"I've seen a lot of learned commentators on both sides of the impeachment debate arguing that the House *must* follow certain procedures (or not), or that the president *must* cooperate in the following ways (or not). What almost no one ever does is quote the relevant constitutional text, which is ridiculously sparse: "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment." There is nothing about what procedures the House must or may use, nor is there any indication to what extent the president and other executive branch officials are required to cooperate."

*****
"Some issues: (1) It's not clear that the impeachment process is an ordinary "proceeding." After all, a Senate trial is presided over by the Chief Justice, so know there are outside limits over the trial via the Chief; (2) The Supreme Court found that the authority granted in this language is not absolute when it prohibited the House from expelling Rep. Adam Clayton Powell; (3) Even if the House can make its own rules, one can argue that when it's acting as a quasi-judicial body, it has an obligation to follow its own procedural precedents, just as actual judicial bodies do (even if that obligation is not justiciable in the courts); (4) This begs the question as to whether the House has in fact established any rules for the current proceedings, given that there has been no formal vote to start impeachment proceedings; and (5) Regardless, it still doesn't tell us under what circumstances it's legitimate for the executive branch to resist cooperation with impeachment proceedings."

Each chamber is allowed to make their own process and procedures of how they go about their business. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States)



The 1974 report has been expanded and revised on several occasions by the Congressional Research Service, and the current version Impeachment and Removal dates from October 2015.
[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#cite_note-CRSReport2015-1)
While this document is only staff recommendation, as a practical matter, today it is probably the single most influential definition of "high Crimes and Misdemeanors."


Read the whole thing and it's pretty clear the rules were followed exceptionally well as while repubs cried beetched and moaned they couldn't stop the process on legal grounds.

You claimed the Constitution said the pres could not have counsel and could not call witnesses. What you claimed is incorrect. What you posted above changes nothing.


There is nothing about what procedures the House must or may use, nor is there any indication to what extent the president and other executive branch officials are required to cooperate."How on earth does that help your case?

Geez JL, it's a done deal so what's the argument about? Stubborn in your old age aren't you?

You said it was a "fair trial" which was untrue. WG wanted to claim the Constitution prohibited the pres having counsel or being able to call witnesses. It does nothing of the sort. The truth ought to count for something. A simple, "Well gosh. Maybe I was wrong," would have settled the issue.

Yeah. I am stubborn in my old age. Kind of reminds me of a man I know in Texas and a woman I know in Chicago!

WWWHHAAATTTT!!!!! There are more like you? AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

WWWHHAAATTTT!!!!! There are more like you? AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!Kin d of alarming, ain't it?

You said it was a "fair trial" which was untrue. WG wanted to claim the Constitution prohibited the pres having counsel or being able to call witnesses. It does nothing of the sort. The truth ought to count for something. A simple, "Well gosh. Maybe I was wrong," would have settled the issue.
No, I am right. The House does not present the trial, which JL is hung up on. The House only presents the evidence; later the Senate has the trial. Trump's evidence and witnesses can be revealed for the House but don't take action to present his side until the trial in the Senate.

Sheesh!!!!

No, you are not right. Your contention was that the Constitution prevented the pres from having counsel or presenting witnesses. That is simply not true.

This was your statement. "Apparently, you don't understand what the House was supposed to do (they did it correctly) and what the Senate is supposed to do. Trump having counsel and witnesses is NOT part of the process in the House but IS in the Senate. There isn't a trial in the House; that's what happens in the Senate." I asked you where it said that and your reply was in the Constitution. It does nothing of the sort. Even the material you posted disagreed with your statement. " There is nothing about what procedures the House must or may use, nor is there any indication to what extent the president and other executive branch officials are required to cooperate." To top it all off, even what Tal posted did not support your statement. "Each chamber is allowed to make their own process and procedures of how they go about their business." There was no reason the President could not have had counsel present and called witnesses. No reason at all.

There has never been a disagreement between us on the general role of the House or of the Senate.

Sheeesh!!

No, you are not right. Your contention was that the Constitution prevented the pres from having counsel or presenting witnesses. That is simply not true.

This was your statement. "Apparently, you don't understand what the House was supposed to do (they did it correctly) and what the Senate is supposed to do. Trump having counsel and witnesses is NOT part of the process in the House but IS in the Senate. There isn't a trial in the House; that's what happens in the Senate." I asked you where it said that and your reply was in the Constitution. It does nothing of the sort. Even the material you posted disagreed with your statement. " There is nothing about what procedures the House must or may use, nor is there any indication to what extent the president and other executive branch officials are required to cooperate." To top it all off, even what Tal posted did not support your statement. "Each chamber is allowed to make their own process and procedures of how they go about their business." There was no reason the President could not have had counsel present and called witnesses. No reason at all.

There has never been a disagreement between us on the general role of the House or of the Senate.

Sheeesh!!
So why didn't trump take advantage of that?

What I mean, of course, is that there is no Constitutional reason. In this case Trump could not do those things because the House dems, who get to set the rules, did not allow it. So you see? That's why I say it was not a fair hearing. Constitutionally they could have allowed it, but they elected not to. Hopefully we have arrived at some sort of understanding we can agree with

You aren't the only one who doesn't know the ins and outs of your own government, and the rules they make to conduct business after an election. Now the dufus has been cruising along just fine when repubs had the House, but since that has changed, so did his influence and you can thank the American people for that. Wonder why America booted repubs out of power in the House in 2018? Didn't they know the dems would go after the dufus? Of course they did, since even you acknowledge, and he did too, that would be the case.

So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82261240_10221401100515161_4464168009367289856_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQkFfivCOKU3Wj2wrFOIdq02gnOWY5_QAAdoL2D8_FY HcrqKV0DNt81tPllFaLPr9zU&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=e4cbda47f26dc5174cf0e455955399b3&oe=5E9D1E83

So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road.But that's exactly what you endlessly do, day in and day out, about Trump. Why don't you play by your own rules?

What choice do I have with the dufus lying, cheating, and pushing the boundaries of good behavior day in and day out for the last 3 years? The Russians are hacking into the servers of Burisma looking for dirt on Biden and son to help the dufus get re elected again just like Mueller said they would as he gets impeached for trying to get a foreign government to announce an investigation into the Biden's.

I guess Russia is still listening.

What choice do I have with the dufus lying, cheating, and pushing the boundaries of good behavior day in and day out for the last 3 years? The Russians are hacking into the servers of Burisma looking for dirt on Biden and son to help the dufus get re elected again just like Mueller said they would as he gets impeached for trying to get a foreign government to announce an investigation into the Biden's.

I guess Russia is still listening.

Yes Russia doesn't want Biden any more than they wanted HC. Both tarred with the same brush which is anti Russian. Russia isn't your problem, China is. you want to attack Trump, attack him on that front

Fortunately Clete it's not up to you or Russsia what our government looks like, at least until the dufus showed up and invited Vlad and anybody else in the world into our elections.

What choice do I have with the dufus lying, cheating, and pushing the boundaries of good behavior day in and day out for the last 3 years? The Russians are hacking into the servers of Burisma looking for dirt on Biden and son to help the dufus get re elected again just like Mueller said they would as he gets impeached for trying to get a foreign government to announce an investigation into the Biden's.But you very plainly said, "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road." So why are so carefree about lying, cheating, and "pushing the boundaries of good behavior" ONLY when the dems do it? Why don't you follow your own rule?

Fortunately Clete it's not up to you or Russsia what our government looks like, at least until the dufus showed up and invited Vlad and anybody else in the world into our elections.

No evidence of that Tal, you want to keep the rest of the world out of your elections, control your rabid media that broadcasts every nuance, every word Trump utters. Like it or not we have a stake in what you decide over there. Trump didn't invite anyone, they all got splinters in their bum watching from the stands

Dude, the deed has been done, and all that's left is a trial.



What choice do I have with the dufus lying, cheating, and pushing the boundaries of good behavior day in and day out for the last 3 years?

I didn't think that this statement was so hard to understand.


No evidence of that Tal, you want to keep the rest of the world out of your elections, control your rabid media that broadcasts every nuance, every word Trump utters. Like it or not we have a stake in what you decide over there. Trump didn't invite anyone, they all got splinters in their bum watching from the stands

Stay tuned and keep those tweezers handy.

You still have not explained why you are not following your own rule.

But you very plainly said, "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road." So why are so carefree about lying, cheating, and "pushing the boundaries of good behavior" ONLY when the dems do it? Why don't you follow your own rule?

They aren't my rules dude, you confuse yourself again. The senate is making the rules for the trial, not me and last I checked I have been very specific about calling out the dufus, and his sycophants as the dems present their case which is growing as we speak with even more revelations about the dufus bad behavior. You will have to refresh my memory of repubs doing stuff like that so I can properly credit them for their good works.

This rule: "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road."

This rule: "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road."

That's not a rule, it's the acceptance of the reality that the deed has been done so we just deal with it for what it is.

Finally the charges have been delivered or more accurately announced to the senate. Actuall delivery is Thursday at 2 ET. Parnas has released some rather explosive documents implicating every body and his mama in the Ukraine shakedown scheme. They even got Rudy's letter to Zelenskyi from last May. Stuff is getting really deep here folks.

I heard Moscow Mitch doesn't have the votes to just dismiss this thing fro the start.

That's not a rule, it's the acceptance of the reality that the deed has been done so we just deal with it for what it is.Why don't you do that for Trump, or does that just apply to liberal dems?



Finally the charges have been delivered or more accurately announced to the senate. Actuall delivery is Thursday at 2 ET. Parnas has released some rather explosive documents implicating every body and his mama in the Ukraine shakedown scheme. They even got Rudy's letter to Zelenskyi from last May. Stuff is getting really deep here folks.Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.

Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.
John Bolton

Why don't you do that for Trump, or does that just apply to liberal dems?

I can do nothing for the dufus. I'm watching like everybody else what's going on.


Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.

Doesn't work that way. I think the evidence is overwhelming and been saying so since the Mueller Report. As it stands now we all just watch and if the words of Lev Parnas can be checked and verified the dufus might not be the only head to roll and I would love to hear what John Bolton has to say. The dems have a list ready to go and that's good enough for me.

Get your popcorn and apple fritters and kick back and enjoy the show.

John BoltonAnother of your phantom witnesses.


Doesn't work that way. I think the evidence is overwhelming and been saying so since the Mueller Report. Now if you could just get Mueller to agree with you, you'd have the beginnings of a case.

In the meantime, China pledges to buy $200 billion Of American goods under phase one of a trade deal. And I know you are going to say that Obama is really responsible for all of this.

Seems to be proof positive that the Chinese are already convinced that Trump will win a second term.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/01/14/china-pledges-to-buy-200-billion-of-american-goods-under-phase-one-trade-deal/?fbclid=IwAR1JXfiSkLdlaH_A9OTFS6dv4hXMORrjlRuCiy2U PZ6d4df4RD5rWZzG9wg#42ae804738bb

It is entirely IRONIC that the left, who widely condemned John Bolton as a lunatic SOB for years and years, protested and contested his appointments, etc., is now holding up the same JOHN BOLTON, the same NEOCON, as the potential SAVIOR THAT WILL FINALLY "GET" TRUMP! So disingenuous of the left but we have come to expect this from the left: Remember when the darling of the left of the time, Joseph Stalin, signed "The Pact Of Steel" with Nazi Germany? Somehow the left contrived that as being a good thing, too, because they had to support their boy Uncle Joe!

We don't know what that right wing hardliner will say, but an open mind wants to hear it. The truth is the truth and has nothing to do with him saving our bacon. That's what investigations are about. Amazing how you accuse the left of such brainless conduct while you righties elect a lying cheating dufus who has been hiding his affairs, tax returns, and witnesses, and are okay with that. Now that's pretty ironic too!

Talaniman: Got nothing for Bolton.....and would have trouble believing anything he says because he is a vindictive, as you would call him, "Right Wing Loon" (stole that one from you!)….I don't see evidence of Trump lying, though....as far as his tax returns, why does that matter? What statue says he has to show his tax returns? What is the driving force behind the tax return dilemma? Trump doesn't need to steal: He's a billionaire.

There is a lot going on now with scrutinizing Nancy Pelosi and her wealth: We know what she makes but her assets are way disproportional to her acquired wealth: How did she amass such fortunes?

You could say that about anybody in government Vac, but we could always examine their tax returns to find out how they make their money if indeed we have them available. Glad you trust the dufus, but I'm a trust but verify kind of guy myself, especially when it involves someone who has lied, cheated, and stolen before. I would hate to find out the dufus makes decisions based on enriching himself, or is in hock big time to some nefarious character. You know just in the interest of transparency and confirmation of a modicum of honesty. Seems that should be required of anyone who aspires to the WH, and baffling why righties don't seem to mind he does not disclose his. Maybe we should have a law just for our own due diligence.

No secret where Pelosi makes her money and a simple google search reveals her sources.

In the meantime, China pledges to buy $200 billion Of American goods under phase one of a trade deal. And I know you are going to say that Obama is really responsible for all of this.

Seems to be proof positive that the Chinese are already convinced that Trump will win a second term.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/01/14/china-pledges-to-buy-200-billion-of-american-goods-under-phase-one-trade-deal/?fbclid=IwAR1JXfiSkLdlaH_A9OTFS6dv4hXMORrjlRuCiy2U PZ6d4df4RD5rWZzG9wg#42ae804738bb

There he goes again beggaring his neighbours, I can expect who's pocket that will come out of and it won't be the Chinese

Beats more tarrifs and an escalation in tensions, but we have a ways to go before we reach pre tarrif levels. Better than nothing at this point.

The more tied to the U.S. China becomes, the more neutered they become. The ChiComs have become a quasi-capitalist society and the people yearn for more wealth and the goodies that come with it: The ChiComs don't really want to upset the apple cart too much: Expect the bastards to tone down their South China Sea excursions.

How do you tone down an island? I expect the Chinese have their bases and will continue to expand their land mass, soon the South China Sea will be the inland sea of China

but we have a ways to go before we reach pre tarrif levels.Levels of what?

Paraclete: The "islands" are mere atolls, synthetic islands: They cannot be left unchallenged because of the Maritime limits involved....the Chinese can't have and "island" and then claim a 100 mile boundary in all direction, that would make the South China Sea a "inland sea": So expect the U.S., Japs, and others to continue to patrol and drive commerce all around these atolls in direct contest of Chinese claims.

Levels of what?

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/americas/2019-11-05-china-wants-us-to-roll-back-tariffs-for-first-phase-of-a-trade-deal/



Analysts say the phase one deal will fail to adequately address these issues, focusing largely on Chinese purchases of US farm goods and IP protections related to copyright and trademark issues. It will not address industrial subsidies at all.


https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/americas/2019-11-05-pre-tariff-surge-in-imports-sees-us-trade-deficit-tumble/



The US trade gap, the shortfall between what Americans buy from abroad and what they sell in foreign markets, fell 4.7% to $52.5bn, which matched economists’ expectations but was the biggest fall since January.In September, US President Donald Trump piled even more tariffs on China, jacking up duties on more than $100bn worth of Chinese goods, likely prompting a surge in buying in the previous month to lock-in lower prices — which widened the trade gap in August.

I guess your complaint is that tariffs were not rolled back. True, but they largely remain in place because the Chicoms are still practicing unfair trade practices. In the meantime, the trade gap will narrow further due to the agreement. It is, so far, a brilliant pro-America move by the United States. China will increase purchases from the U.S. by 100 bil a year. The U.S. agreed to not implement new tariffs that were scheduled to begin soon, but as I said, kept in place many tariffs already present, and rightfully so.

Instead of linking an out of date article from November, try reading this instead.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-announces-phase-one-china-trade-deal-and-scraps-dec-15-tariffs-2019-12-13

I am all for applying as big of a screw job as possible to the Chicoms: Nothing but nothing should be held back from the fight against these atheist.

Paraclete: The "islands" are mere atolls, synthetic islands: They cannot be left unchallenged because of the Maritime limits involved....the Chinese can't have and "island" and then claim a 100 mile boundary in all direction, that would make the South China Sea a "inland sea": So expect the U.S., Japs, and others to continue to patrol and drive commerce all around these atolls in direct contest of Chinese claims.

Vac, I didn't say their claim is legitimate but their strategy is obvious and since they don't respect national boundaries in the region we can expect continued confrontation

I guess your complaint is that tariffs were not rolled back. True, but they largely remain in place because the Chicoms are still practicing unfair trade practices. In the meantime, the trade gap will narrow further due to the agreement. It is, so far, a brilliant pro-America move by the United States. China will increase purchases from the U.S. by 100 bil a year. The U.S. agreed to not implement new tariffs that were scheduled to begin soon, but as I said, kept in place many tariffs already present, and rightfully so.

Instead of linking an out of date article from November, try reading this instead.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-announces-phase-one-china-trade-deal-and-scraps-dec-15-tariffs-2019-12-13

I made no complaints, as the articles and the dufus said this phase was but a start for more talks. I also stated it was better than nothing and was progress. Both sides got something they wanted and they got a reduction of current tariffs. So far so good. Thanks for the updated article, works good when the homework is SHARED.

I made no complaints, as the articles and the dufus said this phase was but a start for more talks. I also stated it was better than nothing and was progress. Both sides got something they wanted and they got a reduction of current tariffs. So far so good. Thanks for the updated article, works good when the homework is SHARED.Fair enough. Yes, it works well when we share. Have a great evening!

Had a great evening thanks and hope you did too. The Parnas interviews by Rachel Maddow for two nights sure makes the dufus crew look very bad. Not sure I believe everything he says, but makes for some great fact checking. The dufus for his part says he doesn't know this person that worked for/with his personal attorney Giuliani.

oh please make Parnas the star witness !!!!

You can be sure that Rachel Maddow will conduct an honest and fair interview. Yes, that was a joke.

Be careful what you wish for Tom, and I hope the dems call Moscow Mitch's bluff and go one for one with witnesses and documents. I think the Biden testimony will be better than a campaign rally against the dufus. As will Dershowitz's argument that a president can't be impeached for abuse of power.

Talaniman: Come on now, you lefties loved Dershowitz for years: NOW, that Dershowitz has WOKE UP, you hate him! Biden isn't capable of looking like or sounding like anything but a complete fool! You have to come to grips with the fact that Democrats/leftist have, AGAIN, as in the 2016 Election year, fielded a bunch of losers and are well on your way to a big spanking in November! ITS ALREADY OVER!!!

Talaniman: Come on now, you lefties loved Dershowitz for years: NOW, that Dershowitz has WOKE UP, you hate him! Biden isn't capable of looking like or sounding like anything but a complete fool! You have to come to grips with the fact that Democrats/leftist have, AGAIN, as in the 2016 Election year, fielded a bunch of losers and are well on your way to a big spanking in November! ITS ALREADY OVER!!!

Yes it doesn't matter who the candidate is

So against the enormous power of right wing dufus repubs the dems should just roll over and bend the knee and let you guys do as you please? I don't think so! It won't be over until it's over, but you already knew that.

So against the enormous power of right wing dufus repubs the dems should just roll over and bend the knee and let you guys do as you please? I don't think so! It won't be over until it's over, but you already knew that.
Ah tal when you are wrong you are wrong,

Be careful what you wish for Tom


I am . That is why I am begging that if they call other witnesses at all; (which if I were the turtle I would not allow ),that that witness be Parnas .

Forget the fact that Parnas ,the Ukrainian national with his own agenda ;the political gadfly who was hanging around Republican events , is already under numerous indictments for unrelated reasons. He entered public life by spouting the big lie .

Remember back in November when Parnas was making the ridiculous lie ,that was verifiably false ,that Devin Nunes met in Vienna with
former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Victor Shokin in December 2018 ? CNN and Fredo Cuomo ,brother of Andrew il duce Cuomo, ran with that lie . The problem is that Nunes has proved he was never in Vienna (he was in Benghazi at the time);and did not meet with Shokin. Nunes is suing CNN because they never retracted when he proved Parnas was lying .

Now we know that Parnas has been secretly working with Schiff and has concocted all types of outrageous unprovable claims involving among others ,William Barr ,Mike Pence .

What is Parnas going to prove ? That Trump had Rudy investigating Biden ? So what ! We know that already. The Biden crime family needs to be investigated and brought to justice. It certainly wasn't an impeachable crime to do so. Bring in Parnas as a witness and you are bringing in a proven multiple count indicted liar. Good luck with that .

We also know something else about Parnas and that is he and Rudy conspired to have Yanukovych removed from her post using secret money and ex congressmen to engage in a smear campaign. It worked beautifully. enabling Rudy and Parnas free access to the Ukrainians and hiding the quid pro quo the dufus has set into motion that implicates Barr and Rudy and Pompeo. He also had contacts with Nunes by text and emails that implicate him in this conspiracy also. Follow the money and the other Russian oligarch Fritas is in the middle of this mess.

Why don't we just ask them is the simple solution to this international intrigue. Repubs will stick with their story that it doesn't rise to an impeachable offense regardless and the dufus skips away scot free, any way and dems are left with public humiliation. Moscow Mitch doesn't seem to want to chance that outcome though. Wonder why?

there was no quid pro quo ...Ukraine did not investigate Biden and the aid money was delivered . Sorry that loony conspiracy theory has sailed. Everything else that happened was in the Chief Executive perusal. He can get information ;hire and fire any diplomat he chooses to do . There is no such thing as "conspiring " to have her removed .

As for the process ;the House Dems ,violating their own rules had a show trial and delivered the best case they can to the Senate. They are free to open as many impeachment hearings as they can stand ;and I'm sure that will be their strategery in Trump's second term.

We also know something else about Parnas and that is he and Rudy conspired to have Yanukovych removed from her post using secret money and ex congressmen to engage in a smear campaign. It worked beautifully. enabling Rudy and Parnas free access to the Ukrainians and hiding the quid pro quo the dufus has set into motion that implicates Barr and Rudy and Pompeo. He also had contacts with Nunes by text and emails that implicate him in this conspiracy also. Follow the money and the other Russian oligarch Fritas is in the middle of this mess.Honestly, there is no "we" in knowing what you stated. In your mind you think you "know" it, but everyone else who relies on evidence understands it is merely rumor mill material.

Honestly, there is no "we" in knowing what you stated. In your mind you think you "know" it, but everyone else who relies on evidence understands it is merely rumor mill material.

Instead of ignoring and dismissing the allegations by Parnas and his accompanied documentation should we investigate? You always have a pattern of defending conservative rumors and holding it as fact while blasting whatever a liberal may do or say as a crime. Maybe we have that in common huh dude?

PS.

The GAO report says that the dufus did indeed violate the law (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-impeachment-gao-report-concludes-trump-administration-broke-law-in-freezing-aid-to-ukraine/)by withholding Ukraine funds. The Impound Act as I specified already.

Parnas is a disgruntled associate of Rudy? There is something about being up for felony charges that makes you start making stories up....and digging your hole deeper: PARNAS IS A JOKE! Did you know Parnas is one of the turd's that helped fabricate the Steele Dossier? He is also tied in with Hillary Clinton: The Demos keep finding scum and trying to make them into something nice: YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD AND MAKE IT ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TURD!

Instead of ignoring and dismissing the allegations by Parnas and his accompanied documentation should we investigate?Why didn't the House do that? Wasn't that their job?


You always have a pattern of defending conservative rumors and holding it as fact When have I done that?

As to the Impound Act, you might have a legitimate gripe there, but I imagine that it is routinely violated and has been for years by other presidents. If that is true, then are you suggesting we prosecute all of them?

BTW, there is a counter argument about Trump's violating that act. "The funds were a special appropriation, not a budget line item. Congress is working on a continual string of appropriations bills and continuing resolutions, rather than passing a budget as they’re supposed to.

By The Impoundment Act of 1974 ( more properly, Article X of The Budget Act of 1974) the President may hold funds (impound them) for up to 45 days to ask Congress to rescind an appropriation. Since Congress has always ignored such requests, and never honored one - the practice has become to impound for not more than 45 days, then release.

The President didn’t violate the letter or spirit of either the non-existent budget nor the appropriation nor the Bufget Act of ‘74, Article X.

He says he impounded the funds over concern that other European countries were doing more to help Ukraine. I suppose one would have to examine the evidence that any other country did anything more than they would’ve otherwise in order to see if the President was effective at his stated purpose."

https://www.quora.com/Did-President-Trump-violate-the-Congressional-Budget-and-Impoundment-Act-of-1974-when-he-withheld-funds-from-Ukraine

basically it is a classic bill Congress passes when they decide to abrogate their constitutional mandate until it is convenient for them to assume their defined role. Think the war power's act .

Parnas is a disgruntled associate of Rudy? There is something about being up for felony charges that makes you start making stories up....and digging your hole deeper: PARNAS IS A JOKE! Did you know Parnas is one of the turd's that helped fabricate the Steele Dossier? He is also tied in with Hillary Clinton: The Demos keep finding scum and trying to make them into something nice: YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD AND MAKE IT ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TURD!

Nothing like getting caught doing dirt to make you sing like a bird and that's just the way criminal and criminal enterprises work Vac. You can't catch a turd without using a turd can you?


Why didn't the House do that? Wasn't that their job?

I'll make it simple for you. The dufus is using every trick in the book to keep people from knowing the truth about his antics and is covering up bad behavior hiding behind the law, courts take time, and with holding evidence using executive privilege which is illegal when wrongdoing is suspected and thus we have a charge of obstructing the congress.


As to the Impound Act, you might have a legitimate gripe there, but I imagine that it is routinely violated and has been for years by other presidents. If that is true, then are you suggesting we prosecute all of them?

And your evidence for that is what? You are assuming facts NOT in evidence.


BTW, there is a counter argument about Trump's violating that act. "The funds were a special appropriation, not a budget line item. Congress is working on a continual string of appropriations bills and continuing resolutions, rather than passing a budget as they’re supposed to.

I think the impound act covers ALL appropriations by the congress and signed into law by the president.


By The Impoundment Act of 1974 ( more properly, Article X of The Budget Act of 1974) the President may hold funds (impound them) for up to 45 days to ask Congress to rescind an appropriation. Since Congress has always ignored such requests, and never honored one - the practice has become to impound for not more than 45 days, then release.

Here's the timeline, so lets actually count the days. (https://www.npr.org/2019/11/27/783487901/the-hold-on-ukraine-aid-a-timeline-emerges-from-impeachment-probe)



Sept. 11: The hold is lifted on the Ukraine assistance, 85 days after the Pentagon announced that aid had become available. That leaves only 19 days to obligate that funding. Sept. 30: End of the fiscal year. According to OMB's Sandy, $35 million in funds do not get spent in time to meet the deadline. Congress includes that same amount in a continuing resolution to ensure the aid reaches Ukraine.


The President didn’t violate the letter or spirit of either the non-existent budget nor the appropriation nor the Bufget Act of ‘74, Article X.
That's what the impeachment trial is all about!

He says he impounded the funds over concern that other European countries were doing more to help Ukraine. I suppose one would have to examine the evidence that any other country did anything more than they would’ve otherwise in order to see if the President was effective at his stated purpose."

https://www.quora.com/Did-President-Trump-violate-the-Congressional-Budget-and-Impoundment-Act-of-1974-when-he-withheld-funds-from-Ukraine

You mean it took him several months to get those documented facts that are public records? Really? Sounds like a dodge, an excuse to justify HIS actions and why ignore his asking for a PERSONAL favor, get dirt on his political opponents and clear Vlad of meddling with the 2016 election by blaming the Ukraine. Man that's some favor.

At least we are arguing facts and not just throwing rocks and talking trash.


basically it is a classic bill Congress passes when they decide to abrogate their constitutional mandate until it is convenient for them to assume their defined role. Think the war power's act .

Thank Nixon for the need of congress to CTOA!

You are assuming facts NOT in evidence.An absolutely incredible statement for you to make, especially considering this statement from you. "Sounds like a dodge, an excuse to justify HIS actions and why ignore his asking for a PERSONAL favor, get dirt on his political opponents and clear Vlad of meddling with the 2016 election by blaming the Ukraine. Man that's some favor." Where are your facts here? It's all just conjecture.


That's what the impeachment trial is all about!So have the dems put accusations about the Impound Act into the articles of impeachment?

Why should it be a surprise to call you on a broad hypothetical situation you presented? As to the impound act we will just have to see how they present their case. It may well be just one example for his abuse of power charge.

Why should it be a surprise to call you on a broad hypothetical situation you presented? This is what you present as a response???


As to the impound act we will just have to see how they present their case. It may well be just one example for his abuse of power charge.Kind of like, "We will have to pass the bill in order to know what is in it?" I'm going to bet it's not even included. As always, so glad that Madame Pelosi is not a repub.

Yes you have to have an impeachment to know what is in it afterall you haven't had one in a generation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5vyBvFCv7I&fbclid=IwAR0p_klY8qfif4KZ6OTr97JJRTLGH6FQha9TjeXZ4 CNQ6mZjGLrQPzr-9e0

Well the wait is over folks as repubs begin the rigged senate trail Tuesday at 9am eastern time. Non stop until the dufus is exonerated or shortly before the SOTU address.

“Now for the evidence,” said the King (McConnell) , “and then the sentence”. “No!” said the Queen (Pelosi) , “first the sentence, and then the evidence!”

“Now for the evidence,” said the King (McConnell) , “and then the sentence”. “No!” said the Queen (Pelosi) , “first the sentence, and then the evidence!”When you have no more evidence than the dems have, then that's about the only strategy you can employ.

No wonder you guys talk so dizzy, all you do is spin, spin spin, because ole Mitch doesn't want evidence or documentation, he wants a quick dismissal like his dufus said he wants. If repubs wanted evidence then he simply has to allow witnesses and documentation. It is that simple gentlemen, unless you want to continue this repub assisted cover up.

ole Mitch doesn't want evidence or documentation, he wants a quick dismissal like his dufus said he wants. If repubs wanted evidence then he simply has to allow witnesses and documentation. It is that simple gentlemen, unless you want to continue this repub assisted cover up.That would be funny if I didn't think you were serious. Evidence? Documentation? Just needs to allow witnesses and documentation? The dems brought forward, day after day, many witnesses and assured us their testimony would be devastating. Well, didn't turn out that way, so all we are left with is an assurance that if they can just get MORE witnesses and documentation then, by George, they'll prove guilt then. Sorry to tell you, but it has become tiresome and tedious. Get this nonsense out of the way and move on. It's over.

The evidence and testimony in the House was very clear to many that didn't just dismiss it and rubber stamp it as NO evidence. I think it telling you complain of NO evidence while the dufus with holds and hides what we all want to see. You have dismissed and ignored the Mueller Report and with held the grand jury notes, dismissed and ignored the cronies going to jail, and continue dismissing and ignoring the repubs lack of interest in hearing from the protected inner circle and the evidence that continues to flow from this mess.

Great strategy dismiss and ignore you have going on for you...while it lasts, but if that's all you got, then that's all you got.

Try putting that mess into a court and see how far you get. It's a joke. Even Mueller, after two years, declined to recommend that charges be brought.

So just ignore that he was prohibited by rule and policy to bring charges against the executive? How convenient.

So just ignore that he was prohibited by rule and policy to bring charges against the executive? How convenient.Then why did they appoint a special prosecutor when he did not have authority to bring charges? Wasn't that kind of dumb?

You will have to ask the DOJ about that since THEY made that call, however Mueller did catch a bunch of fish because of it, and there are a few lingering criminal cases (https://matzav.com/federal-judge-rules-trump-must-turn-over-his-tax-returns-to-manhattan-da-but-trump-will-appeal/) they referred to local AG's, and despite Barr's spin it gave the House plenty of probable cause in which to proceed. (https://crooksandliars.com/2019/04/solid-case-against-trump-points-four) Few know that a cases are still tied up in the court system from subpoenas brought by the House based on Mueller's findings, some to be ruled on soon and a few yet to be determined which is why no charges have been brought forth based on those proceedings as YET, and the executive has the right of appeal, which is where a few filings still reside.

Yeah the courts are slow, but those are the rules WE are bound by.

From 2nd link


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4zDCypWAAAhAKH?format=jpg&name=900x900 (https://twitter.com/DrumpfFree/status/1120484864522956801/photo/1)
(https://twitter.com/DrumpfFree/status/1120484864522956801/photo/1)

You do realize that Trump was free to fire Mueller, Comey, or any other member of the executive branch at any time he wanted to? It is his authority as president. What liberal group put that chart together?

Yeah we heard him brag about his relief
at firing Comey, and beetch about his AG Sessions recusing himself and Mueller being assigned by the next guy, and the heads started to roll. Yeah firing all those guys would be sort of suspicious in my book, even if he has the authority to fire anyone whether he appoints them or not. Like he can recall an ambassador too, especially if she gets in the way of his back channel re election scheme. The problem with all that power is it can be abused and that's exactly where we are at. You need more evidence than Rudy and Parnas shenanigans?

You need more evidence than Rudy and Parnas shenanigans?Yeah. All those rumors should certainly be enough to prove Trump guilty beyond a reasonable doubt??? Like I've been saying, take that trash into a court and see how long it takes a judge to reprimand you big time and throw your "case" out of court.

They aren't rumors, they are allegations and made for a court of law, or a trial in the senate. Ask ANY prosecutor.

allegations based on rumour, hearsay, which would not be admitted as evidence in a court of law

They aren't rumors, they are allegationsI hope you realize what a funny statement that is.

LOL, a real court would have allowed the interview of suspects and witnesses BEFORE a trial. Imagine a mob boss telling a cop he can't interview his henchmen in connection with a crime. Imagine a suspect or witness IGNORING a subpoena and not get picked up by the cops. Does THAT happen in real life?

Why is it allowed to happen NOW? Have repubs and conservatives abandoned the LAW? Or do they think the dufus is above the law?

Why is it allowed to happen NOW?Because of this pesky thing called the Constitution.

https://www.history.com/news/foreign-influence-constitution-founding-fathers


That's my take what's yours?

https://www.history.com/news/foreign-influence-constitution-founding-fathers


That's my take what's yours?

So the founding fathers placed impeachment in the constitution to guard against foreign influence and Trump is impeached for influencing a foreign government, sounds backwards to me, or just plain opportunistic

It's illegal to involve another government into a US election. He got away with "Russia if you're listening...", and so came back with "do us a favor..." to the Ukrainians. Not so hard to understand Clete. Common sense.

Common sense.

Common sense is what is sadly lacking in this whole business. The Dems speak about facts and the Repubs reply with "process". Some Repubs are looking at their shoes as they hear the truth.

Common sense isn't very common and certainly not in congress

I find it disturbing the prez's men keep lying about the prez and repubs were shut out of the House process. Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline? Don't repubs know that we know they were in the depositions and hearings and had the same time to answer questions as dems did?

Why are they LYING still?

I find it disturbing the prez's men keep lying about the prez and repubs were shut out of the House process. Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline? Don't repubs know that we know they were in the depositions and hearings and had the same time to answer questions as dems did?

Why are they LYING still?

because it was a Star chamber, a Kangaroo court

I find it disturbing the prez's men keep lying about the prez and repubs were shut out of the House process. Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline? Don't repubs know that we know they were in the depositions and hearings and had the same time to answer questions as dems did?

Why are they LYING still?


That's the $64,000 question. Nadler gave a fact-filled presentation with video of witness testimony, official documents and overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. His lawyers, Cippolone and Sekulow, gave disastrous rebuttals saying not a word about the facts but accusing Nadler of bad behavior and not being nice. You had to see it to believe it.

It's true that Trump can't get top-flight legal help because he doesn't pay his bills.

because it was a Star chamber, a Kangaroo court

Are you saying repubs who have full control of everything, are running a kangaroo court? I find it amazing that after all this time neither the dufus nor repubs has answered the allegations, just hollered how unfair, or untrue the dems allegations are, and the unfair way the conducted their inquiry, which we KNOW for FACT to be an out and out flat a$$ LIE, while the dufus did everything he could think of to block any information whatsoever. No documents, no witnesses, no testimony.

Instead he has used the entire repub party to engage in the biggest smear campaign ever mounted against the dems. This is after 17 members of the dufus administration have given testimony both behind closed doors and in public hearings about the corruption they witnessed while in his employ. Amazing they have all said the same thing. 17 of them who went against the dufus's blanket orders and under oath to tell the truth. LOL Clete, I do know for fact neither you or JL has reviewed any of the documentation beginning with the Mueller Report to even put forth an informed opinion of the facts of the case that dems have pursued against the dufus so I can dismiss both your opinion of a kangaroo court, and his protests of no evidence very easily.

Unless of course your sarcasm font is on the blink. Darn font never works when you want it to.


That's the $64,000 question. Nadler gave a fact-filled presentation with video of witness testimony, official documents and overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. His lawyers, Cippolone and Sekulow, gave disastrous rebuttals saying not a word about the facts but accusing Nadler of bad behavior and not being nice. You had to see it to believe it.

It's true that Trump can't get top-flight legal help because he doesn't pay his bills.

Robert's slapped both sides for incivility, but never said a darn thing about the obvious LIES. Not mistruths, but bald face verifiable LIES! Isn't there a law against lying in a court or to the congress?

Not mistruths, but bald face verifiable LIES! Isn't there a law against lying in a court or to the congress?I'm glad you're finally beginning to see the ways of the dems.

No Tal, I meant as you well know that the House had conducted a star chamber examination

. He got away with "Russia if you're listening..."


That's the best you got ? That of course was an ironic throw away line to mock how the FBI colluded to cover up evidence of the disappearance of Evita's and the DNCs emails. But you already knew that . You don't believe for one second that on national tv Trump would ask Russia to interfere in the election .You are not that naïve even if the Dems think you are .



Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline? When was that 70 days after the Dems began holding hearings in the Capitol basement ?

When was that 70 days after the Dems began holding hearings in the Capitol basement ?Yeah. They should try that in something other than the previous kangaroo court setting. "Your Honor, we, the prosecution, have now decided to allow the defendant to have counsel present in the courtroom during the last 10% of this trial." See how far that would get you.

Yeah. They should try that in something other than the previous kangaroo court setting. "Your Honor, we, the prosecution, have now decided to allow the defendant to have counsel present in the courtroom during the last 10% of this trial." See how far that would get you.
Geez louise! That wasn't the trial part of this process.

That's the best you got ? That of course was an ironic throw away line to mock how the FBI colluded to cover up evidence of the disappearance of Evita's and the DNCs emails. But you already knew that . You don't believe for one second that on national tv Trump would ask Russia to interfere in the election .You are not that naïve even if the Dems think you are .

When was that 70 days after the Dems began holding hearings in the Capitol basement ?

You've got to stop watching FOX News, Tom, and get past HC and the emails. That's dead news. But I understand why you don't want to pay attention to Trump's impeachment.

The Dems have him six ways from Sunday with enough overwhelming evidence to send the crook packing and to take his cronies with him - Barr, Pompeo, and Rudy, et al. But the real question is Will they convict? Undoubtedly, no.

The Trump Cult is in mortal fear of their Dear Leader and there's little chance any of them will develop the necessary cujones to find the backbone to do the right thing. That's what happens when you give a street thug all that power.

The immediate danger is Trump getting worse as his mental instability continues downhill. Look for the nutcase to get "swamped" in November.

Quite an eloquent and comprehensive presentation by the House managers. They wrap up tommorow. Yeah I'm fighting the urge to chant "LOCK HIM UP!'

Trust me it's not as easy as I make it look!

Trust me it's not as easy as I make it look!Exactly correct.

Yeah I'm fighting the urge to chant "LOCK HIM UP!'



Well Tal, just as well this isn't a criminal proceeding. Noone gets locked up unless you count the unfortunate senators who have to accept being regaled with political diatribe

Not only did the dufus break the law by trying to leverage a foreign government to influence the 2020 elections, he violate the impound act by holding up funds without the due process that MUST go through the congress, but also with held illegally the whistle blower complaint from the congress, so you say this isn't a criminal proceedings? Aw your right Clete, the senate cannot decide or levi any criminal prosecutions or sentences only remove the offender and leave the criminal stuff to a REAL court of law...after he is removed.

Go ahead repubs, exonerate the dufus, there is plenty more stuff to be revealed before the election.

Go ahead repubs, exonerate the dufus, there is plenty more stuff to be revealed before the election.The battle cry of the liberal dems. "Just wait til you see what we have tomorrow!"

Naw, the libs are saying look at what the dufus has done now! Is it our fault he's a crook who lies cheats and steals? I can understand repubs don't want to hear that though, they would rather just bad mouth the libs.

Naw, the libs are saying look at what the dufus has done now! Is it our fault he's a crook who lies cheats and steals? It must now bother you too much. After all, you voted for HC.

Yup, you seem to be catching on.

Ha. I caught on long ago. It's OK to be a liar and a cheat as long as you support liberal causes.

I don’t see how people who didn’t balk at the emperor's refusal to give Ukraine lethal aid (what did he send them again ? non-lethal Blankets ? ) can as "as a policy matter"object to a brief delay in military aid as a horrendous blow to Ukraine’s defense. Of course the emperor's withholding aid to Ukraine, Pakistan, Philippines, Egypt, Honduras, & Mexico was not violating any obscure law that has been " violated " by every President since it was adopted by a vindictive Congress in 1974 .

Hours and hours of droning by Schiff … The President's lawyers will be able to mount their defense in less than half the time. …..

and who bragged about withholding that foreign aid until Ukraine fires the prosecutor who was investigating the company that his son (who isn't qualified to pump gas let alone be on the board of directors of a major energy company )was collecting checks for a no show job......no other than Quid pro Joe Biden

I don’t see how people who didn’t balk at the emperor's refusal to give Ukraine lethal aid (what did he send them again

There's a lot you don't see.



a brief delay in military aid as a horrendous blow to Ukraine’s defense.

Any delay in a war is hardly brief. How many were killed or injured during that delay? It's worse when the delay is to force an ally to make a negative approach to a domestic rival of Trump. Note- Trump didn't give a s*** about corruption until Biden appeared on the horizon as a possible candidate in 2020. (The very notion of Trump caring about corruption is hilarious).



Hours and hours of droning by Schiff … The President's lawyers will be able to mount their defense in less than half the time.

The House Managers have been brilliant. Focused and loaded with proof - video testimony, emails, in person before Congress, so many most of which are Trump's people. The president's lawyers have already shown themselves to be unprepared, and reduced to name-calling as a defense.

Yeah, The Trump lawyers will take much less time, because they have no defense - NADA, NOTHING.



and who bragged about withholding that foreign aid until Ukraine fires the prosecutor


You left out that Biden was on National Security business and backed by the European Union and anyone else who knew what was going on. Apparently, that doesn't stop you from repeating right-wing loony talking points.


. who was investigating the company that his son was on the board of directors collecting a check


More looniness from the right. Hunter Biden was NEVER investigated by Ukraine. In fact. Ukraine has stated there is no evidence of wrong doing by Hunter Biden. The truth never stops you righties from fibbing, does it?

I though everybody knew that Hunter Biden worked for the company Burisma hired as an outside consultant. That's who paid him, and being on the board was part of the deal. Rich boys white collar boys do it all the time. What a dodge to hide behind while you smear a political opponent.

How many were killed or injured during that delay?
ZERO were killed due to the delay . .The funds were always scheduled to arrive after mid-Sept I ask you though .How many Ukranians died while the emperor refused to sign lethal aid to Ukraine ?
Poroshenko came to Washington to plead his case in 2014 to a joint session of Congress;with Quid pro Joe sitting directly behind him in the chamber .

The emperor was unmoved because he feared that giving lethal aid to Ukraine would provoke Putin, So instead he sent blankets and MREs . At least the Ukraine soldiers died with a full stomach I guess.



If lethal aid was as vital to countering the Russian threat a,, then why didn’t the United States provide it when Biden was the emperor's point man on Ukraine?




More looniness from the right. Hunter Biden was NEVER investigated by Ukraine. I never said he was .I said the company that paid him for a no show job was being investigated

How many Ukranians died while the emperor refused to sign lethal aid to Ukraine ?

You still don't get it. This is about Trump, not Obama.


I never said he was .I said the company that paid him for a no show job was being investigated

So what??

Obama had no wish to give lethal weapons to a corrupt government, nor provoke Putin to escalate and the rest of Europe was right there with him. A few facts you righties like to leave out of the narrative trying to make the dufus lies ring true. It's no wonder you don't want to know what else the dufus is hiding. You don't think his re election scheme is neferious?

so why are the Dems so hot to give Ukraine lethal aid now ? Ukraine did not change with the single act of electing someone who plays the President on tv .

so why are the Dems so hot to give Ukraine lethal aid now ? Ukraine did not change with the single act of electing someone who plays the President on tv .

Ukraine is an ally. Russia is not an ally. Ukraine is defending itself against Russia. Russia seeks to re-establish its territory as under the Soviets. Trump has a bromance with fellow bully Putin. Zelensky is trying to rid Ukraine of corruption.

Whose side are you on, Tom?

How is it that ANYONE thinks that the Schiff or any of the other Demo Congressional mouthpieces have done a "brilliant" presentation? There WAS NOTHING BRILLIANT about any of it: It wasn't BRILLIANT the first time Schiff said it in the Impeachment persecution and its not BRILLIANT now. They presented NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONG DOING, only accusations and conjecture. NO FIRSTHAND ACCOUNTS WHATSOEVER DIRECTLY LINKING TRUMP TO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Demos are building sandcastles in the air. Schiff is an egomaniac who wants to get in front of camera whenever he can do so: In his little mind, he thinks he is a scholarly law professor: He couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag: he's horrible! Schiff is a real scumbag and people see that now, he's exposed himself far too much.

And Nadler? OMG!!! Now, that is one guy that needs his pulse taken: He looks like the Walking Dead....or a version of Batman's "Penguin".

No, you can embellish it as much as and any way you wish but the House Managers are convincing no one of anything. Their arguments are groundless and their presentations are terrible.

At this point, everyone in the U.S. realizes that this whole effort is all about trying to damage Trump is some form or fashion so he doesn't BEAT THE DEMOS ARSES IN NOV. 2020. SORRY: TRUMP IS GOING TO BEAT YOUR ARSES ANYWAY IN NOV. 2020! Your little play in the Senate is going nowhere.

How is it that ANYONE thinks that the Schiff or any of the other Demo Congressional mouthpieces have done a "brilliant" presentation? There WAS NOTHING BRILLIANT about any of it: It wasn't BRILLIANT the first time Schiff said it in the Impeachment persecution and its not BRILLIANT now. They presented NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONG DOING, only accusations and conjecture. NO FIRSTHAND ACCOUNTS WHATSOEVER DIRECTLY LINKING TRUMP TO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Demos are building sandcastles in the air. Schiff is an egomaniac who wants to get in front of camera whenever he can do so: In his little mind, he thinks he is a scholarly law professor: He couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag: he's horrible! Schiff is a real scumbag and people see that now, he's exposed himself far too much.

And Nadler? OMG!!! Now, that is one guy that needs his pulse taken: He looks like the Walking Dead....or a version of Batman's "Penguin".

No, you can embellish it as much as and any way you wish but the House Managers are convincing no one of anything. Their arguments are groundless and their presentations are terrible.

At this point, everyone in the U.S. realizes that this whole effort is all about trying to damage Trump is some form or fashion so he doesn't BEAT THE DEMOS ARSES IN NOV. 2020. SORRY: TRUMP IS GOING TO BEAT YOUR ARSES ANYWAY IN NOV. 2020! Your little play in the Senate is going nowhere.


Typical Trump surrogate scatter-brained thinking. You're named well, VACUUM.

Ha. I caught on long ago. It's OK to be a liar and a cheat as long as you support liberal causes.

Must be okay to be a lying cheating bullying dufus as long as they are against abortions.


so why are the Dems so hot to give Ukraine lethal aid now ? Ukraine did not change with the single act of electing someone who plays the President on tv .

It's not just dems and not just the US. Like the dufus you don't seem to be aware that our contribution to the Ukraine is part of a multination efforts. I'm sure the dufus was informed of this before he went and gave the new Ukrainian government a bad time by trying to bully them into interfering in the 2020 election which qualifies for a crime in my book, and only one example of repubs looking the other way while he does his dirt for dollars.

House managers did a great job of laying it out in plain language anyone can understand and have made the case admirably. Ball is in repub court, and Vac, I'm sure you and your wingers could use a lot more of that emotional closed minded pep talk after such a brilliant way the dems made their case in a very productive way.

Must be okay to be a lying cheating bullying dufus as long as they are against abortions.Just like in your case it must be okay to be a lying cheating bullying Obama as long as you love abortion.

The great shame is that Schiff, as I understand it, will not be called as a witness and thus subjected to cross examination. I'd love to see that. He'd wet his pants before it was all over with. Prov. 18:17 In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right,
until someone comes forward and cross-examines.

Glad you feel that way lets get them witnesses on the stand.

If I was a repub I would be drooling at the thought of being able to question Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, Hunter Biden, and the whistle blower.

If I was a repub I would be drooling at the thought of being able to question Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, Hunter Biden, and the whistle blower.
What would you ask?

Remember, it's Trump's trial.

Mr. Hunter Biden, since you were plainly not qualified in any way to get the job you got in Ukraine, why do you suppose they gave you that job?

Mr. Hunter Biden, since you were plainly not qualified in any way to get the job you got in Ukraine, why do you suppose they gave you that job?
How was he not qualified?

W.G.: No, ITS NOT TRUMP'S TRIAL! Its the sanctity of the OVal Office being PERSECUTED by a bunch of low life's who want to usurp the design of our Founding Fathers. When the DEMOS INTRODUCED JOE AND HUNTER BIDEN FOR ABOUT FIVE HOURS YESTERDAY, THEY MADE THIS FORUM OPEN TO A LOT MORE THAN TRUMP! And they will pay the price, justly so!

And, to make this clear: SCHIFF IS A TERRIBLE LAWYER! He convinces no one with his weak arguments. You are fixing to see REAL LAWYERING with Trump's team!

How was he not qualified?


you mean he had the right name, and a path to a possible future President

you mean he had the right name, and a path to a possible future PresidentYep. That was about it. He had just been kicked out of the navy for drug abuse. Those people, as we all know, are in high demand to sit on a board of directors for a major energy company. In his case, I guess it was because he was an expert in...putting gas in his car?

Yep. That was about it. He had just been kicked out of the navy for drug abuse. Those people, as we all know, are in high demand to sit on a board of directors for a major energy company. In his case, I guess it was because he was an expert in...putting gas in his car?
He's a lawyer who sat on the board of directors.


W.G.: No, ITS NOT TRUMP'S TRIAL!
Oh, yes it is, my friend!

Yeah. Lawyers who were kicked out of the navy for drug abuse are in really high demand to sit on such boards. Why, just look at all the other boards he sat on in the U.S. Let's see. Who were they?

Yeah. Lawyers who were kicked out of the navy for drug abuse are in really high demand to sit on such boards. Why, just look at all the other boards he sat on in the U.S. Let's see. Who were they?
He wasn't a lawyer in the Navy.

He co-founded Rosemont Seneca Partners, an international consulting firm, in 2009. Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, a major Ukrainian natural gas producer, from 2014 to 2019.

So he was kicked out of the navy in 2014 for cocaine use, and then hired to be on the Board of Directors for a major energy company that same year? Yes. I'm sure it was because they thought he was the most qualified candidate. No doubt about it. His last name and father's position had nothing at all to do with it.

So he was kicked out of the navy in 2014 for cocaine use, and then hired to be on the Board of Directors for a major energy company that same year? Yes. I'm sure it was because they thought he was the most qualified candidate. No doubt about it. His last name and father's position had nothing at all to do with it.
Navy Reserves. In 2013, Biden was accepted as part of a program that allows a limited number of applicants with desirable skills to receive commissions and serve in staff positions. He received an age-related waiver and a waiver due to a past drug-related incident, and was sworn in as a direct commission officer.

And kicked out one year later. But as I said, I'm sure it was his magnificent qualifications that landed him the gig in Ukraine. Probably the same reason he was able to get all of those waivers. Nothing suspicious there.

And kicked out one year later. But as I said, I'm sure it was his magnificent qualifications that landed him the gig in Ukraine. Probably the same reason he was able to get all of those waivers. Nothing suspicious there.
Actually, no. You don't KNOW???

That his pa was the VP? I heard that somewhere, but I never suspected it might have had something to do with it. Was I wrong???

That his pa was the VP? I heard that somewhere, but I never suspected it might have had something to do with it. Was I wrong???
Oh, man! I weep!

Oh, man! I weep!

undoubtedly you do, for lost chances, opportunities thrown away by idiots

undoubtedly you do, for lost chances, opportunities thrown away by idiots
Yup! My Republican buddies are knocking themselves out with foolish observations and comments.

To which your only reply is that you weep. I guess if I was a liberal, I'd weep too.

To which your only reply is that you weep. I guess if I was a liberal, I'd weep too.
And I'd certainly drag tRump to regular therapy sessions and oversee his med-taking.

The WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE is on Trial: A duly elected POTUS is trying to be ousted by a gaggle of leftist: This is a direct threat to U.S. Democracy and the U.S. Constitution.

The likes of Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, and the rest are truly disgusting human beings. I leave little A.O.C. out of this: She is simply confused...and much to nice looking for comment.

The will of the people was to kick repubs out of the House and give Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler the power to check your lunatic and they have. Be careful because Dems may end up with the Senate too, and if the dufus is still around talking and doing crazy stuff he can be impeached again unless repubs wake up and make this a fair trial and get all the facts before they make a decision on this trial. So far the dems have made a compelling case and the dufus has his turn at defending himself.

In the meantime a video by Parnas has surfaced, you know the guy the dufus doesn't know, at least that's his story,, where he and the dufus are discussing the firing of Amb. Yavonovitch, so no doubt we will have to hear the explanation for yet another lie.

Holy Nixon Tapes Batman!

The President can hire and fire any diplomat he chooses to for whatever reason he wants to . They work for the Chief Executive not the other way around . Article 2 gives the President the power to set foreign policy . 3 days of grasping at straws is what I saw this week. And yes ,I think the Dems will continue to try to impeach throughout his 2nd term

Points taken, but it's the drama around the firing and hiring, wheeling and dealing, causing the uproar and what lead to the impeachment trials. Plus he always knew he had the senate protecting his backside, making removal an impossibility from the get go. Heck we will be hardpressed to get any further than his defense team statements, even though most every American wants witnesses and documents but repubs have the votes to squash everything they want, and have squashed it before.

The only certainty is they won't cancel the super bowl!

Talaniman: Not happening, Demos are more likely to lose Congress than to win the Senate. The whole IMPEACHMENT play, staged by leftist, has soured the American people on the Demos and has IMPROVED Trump's standing with them: His popularity has risen.

Might as well start whining now because Trump is fixing to win, again, in 2020: The left can't get out of their own way.

What makes you think that Vac? Or is it just wishful thinking? Or do you know that the trial can't be fair without witnesses and documents, and that repubs have no interest in a fair trial? I know you said his popularity has gone up, but you didn't say with who. Repubs?

If polling is correct, he will get as much as 25 to 30% of the black vote. If that happens, then he's in.

Article 2 gives the President the power to set foreign policy

It doesn't give him the power to rig a presidential election in his favor.


3 days of grasping at straws is what I saw this week.

"Having eyes, he saw not."

If polling is correct, he will get as much as 25 to 30% of the black vote. If that happens, then he's in.

The polls said HC would be the next prez and we all know how that worked out!

Very true. Polling has its limits.

here's a factoid that doesn't require polls . In the post WWII era there have been 2 elected incumbents who lost reelection . Jimmy Carter and GHWBush....Bush had a 3rd party candidate erode his base;and Carter's Dems were divided because Ted the swimmer challenged him at the convention until the end .(Ford was not elected ) Both Carter and GHW Bush had economic issues ;and on top of that Bush pissed off his base by raising taxes after promising not to do so . Presidents who have an economic boom win in landslides and the last time the Dems picked a hard lefty ,he lost in a 49 state whooping with only Mass. voting for McGovern.

The Dems forgot about the possibility of potential Dem Senators's defection

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/479906-manchin-jones-signal-theyre-undecided-on-convicting-acquitting-trump?fbclid=IwAR3c3nCaDKSTxaTapuuv805mdB3fIPctMNM aDf4754pHB1ilFc4CYF_o2Sg

Good to know that there are still some dems out there able to think for themselves and not just march along in lockstep.

Be great if a few repubs would show some independence and get out of lock set and just do the right thing and call witnesses and demand documents. Hey Tom Nixon said the magic words end the war in VM, and everybody was for that.

and you think McGovern ran pro war ? Nixon was President in 1972 and the Vietnam war was still hot. There are some parallels to 1972. The Dems had run the party establishment candidate in 1968 and locked out insurgents .To make amends the Dems created the McGovern commission .That commission changed party rules to punish traditional delegates . Last election the Dems locked out Bernie . Now they have a"Unity Review Commission" which will undoubtedly punish "super Delegates " . The party veered to the extreme left. The party lost the working class as they are well on their way to doing again with their anti-energy job positions in key swing states . What is sad is that by today's standards ,McGovern is a moderate Dem as the whole party has swung way left that now the socialists are the mainstream of the party and the party could very well be embracing the Marxist wing of socialism . You see what saved the Dems was that although McGovern was extreme; the rest of the party could argue that they were not extreme like McGovern(or at least they disguised it well) . That is why they did not suffer a loss of Congress. This year however ,the radicals have taken over the steering of the Democrat House. They forced the Speaker to do something she knows is potentially suicidal ;impeaching Trump without proving any criminality to his decisions .

I still can't come to grips with how wildly LEFT the Demos have become today. I never thought that I would see the party of my Mother, a lifelong "Roosevelt" Democrat, turn so abruptly and hard left. I don't think it happened during the Clinton years, even though Hillary led Bill around by the ear in terms of ideological lead. The turn had to come during Obama's years in Office. I think people forget, and many Demos don't even know, that Obama's said that his best friends were radicals and Marxist: When you come out in public and say something like that, it gives people and insight into HOW YOU THINK AND WHERE YOU STAND. Imagine if Trump came out and said that his best friends were Klansmen and Nazis? Would not everyone have and slobber knocking fit? So Obama turned the Democrat Party into a radical party that is heading to toward straight-up Marxism.

Well, you have a fairly sensible guy like Tal saying he would happily vote for a communist, so what's left? If we elect an incompetent like Sanders or Warren, then we will richly deserve what we get. With all of his negatives, we better remember that we've rarely had it better economically in our history. We're energy independent (which I still can't get over), inflation is very, very low, and non-commie fed judges are being appointed. Our ignorant, spoiled electorate better get their heads screwed on straight and learn to appreciate what we have. I really fear that we have enjoyed freedom so long that now we just take it for granted.

and you think McGovern ran pro war ? Nixon was President in 1972 and the Vietnam war was still hot. There are some parallels to 1972. The Dems had run the party establishment candidate in 1968 and locked out insurgents .To make amends the Dems created the McGovern commission .That commission changed party rules to punish traditional delegates . Last election the Dems locked out Bernie . Now they have a"Unity Review Commission" which will undoubtedly punish "super Delegates " . The party veered to the extreme left. The party lost the working class as they are well on their way to doing again with their anti-energy job positions in key swing states . What is sad is that by today's standards ,McGovern is a moderate Dem as the whole party has swung way left that now the socialists are the mainstream of the party and the party could very well be embracing the Marxist wing of socialism . You see what saved the Dems was that although McGovern was extreme; the rest of the party could argue that they were not extreme like McGovern(or at least they disguised it well) . That is why they did not suffer a loss of Congress. This year however ,the radicals have taken over the steering of the Democrat House. They forced the Speaker to do something she knows is potentially suicidal ;impeaching Trump without proving any criminality to his decisions .

Like Nixon though the dufus has made some rather crazy moves and decisions that are a violation of law but no way would a repub ever admit it or publicly declare it, let alone speak out against it or pretend to seek the truth he has effectively hidden from the House. Yes the House failed and miserably, and the senate seems bound and determined to follow suit.


I still can't come to grips with how wildly LEFT the Demos have become today. I never thought that I would see the party of my Mother, a lifelong "Roosevelt" Democrat, turn so abruptly and hard left. I don't think it happened during the Clinton years, even though Hillary led Bill around by the ear in terms of ideological lead. The turn had to come during Obama's years in Office. I think people forget, and many Demos don't even know, that Obama's said that his best friends were radicals and Marxist: When you come out in public and say something like that, it gives people and insight into HOW YOU THINK AND WHERE YOU STAND. Imagine if Trump came out and said that his best friends were Klansmen and Nazis? Would not everyone have and slobber knocking fit? So Obama turned the Democrat Party into a radical party that is heading to toward straight-up Marxism.

The dems aren't wildly left, but they do have voices that lean heavy that way and are as part of the party process as the hard right wing of the repub party which has undergone it's own profound changes through the years. How do you ignore such a mirror image affect that has griped the whole country and not just one party. It's not our parents world any more in case you haven't noticed.

Well, you have a fairly sensible guy like Tal saying he would happily vote for a communist, so what's left? If we elect an incompetent like Sanders or Warren, then we will richly deserve what we get. With all of his negatives, we better remember that we've rarely had it better economically in our history. We're energy independent (which I still can't get over), inflation is very, very low, and non-commie fed judges are being appointed. Our ignorant, spoiled electorate better get their heads screwed on straight and learn to appreciate what we have. I really fear that we have enjoyed freedom so long that now we just take it for granted.

I guess we should be grateful and accept the guy we have and deserve and not consider the good and the bad of that election decision. We can do better and strive to do so despite the good or bad. Sorry guys if I chose not to swallow your version of reality without question.

Talaniman: I just don't want the Democratic Party to become a far left radical party through and through....nor would I want the Republican Party to go the other way and become a Fascist Party clone: WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM WORK TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION, SINCE THE DEMOS AND REPUBS HAVE MANAGED TO MONOPLIZE THE PARTY SYSTEM! Its seems that is all we have to work with in the here and now. The country is more divided than it has ever been and the cause is RADICAL fringes of each party having a DISPPORTIONAL AMOUNT OF POWER COMPARED TO THE NUMBERS THEY REPRESENT. Why is that? Its because they scream loudest and say the most provocative things. It high time to cut that B.S. out and get back to the Tip O'Neal - Ronald Reagan type of relationship we once had in politics. I don't think that the environment we're fostering right now is conducive to anything good coming out of it. Do we want to wake up to the day when our U.S. Government is made up of Politburo and Political Czars? It will be too late for everything, then. A.O.C. and others like her are idealist who probably have the best intentions but they have read too much Saul Alinsky literature: They need to read the Constitution and learn about what has made the U.S. realize its historical exceptionalism.

Darn if I don't agree with what you have posted Vac! I see repubs as being hijacked by the right, and yes the same could happen by the dems but hasn't entirely yet but we have to see what the next election brings. We both may have to join forces against both parties. You up for that?

PS

AOC doesn't have the votes for everything she wants nor the standing or experience to get it. Just saying.

Like Nixon though the dufus has made some rather crazy moves and decisions that are a violation of law but no way would a repub ever admit it or publicly declare it, let alone speak out against it or pretend to seek the truth he has effectively hidden from the House. Yes the House failed and miserably, and the senate seems bound and determined to follow suit.
Haven't seen any proof of law breaking . I see the Dems making it a criminal offense for the President having different policies and exercising his role as CIC in executing such policies. The President's defense team shred the Dem argument in a short 2 hrs by pointing out that:
1. Presidents have in the past ,including this President ,delayed delivery of foreign aid for various reasons . The President had ordered an extensive review of our foreign aid with the goal of reducing it across the board .The review ended in August when the President concluded he would not have Congressional support for such cuts .
2. The Transcript of the conversation completely debunks most of the Dem charges ;especially issues like burden sharing and the fact that the other NATO nations were NOT contributing their share to Ukraine's defense .The President had complained about NATO burden sharing many times in the past .
3. That the anti-tank Javelin systems were NOT part of the aid package ,They were separate sales to Ukraine and they were not to be delivered until this year .This makes that ridiculous the claim that Ukrainians lost their lives because of the brief hold up of the aid .
4.There was no quid pro quo that could be found in the transcript or in the testimony of the Democrat witnesses . Most of them when asked said that there was none ;and also admitted that the Trump adm had been harder on Russia than the wet noodled spine Emperor . This part of their testimony as excluded by the Dem managers in their presentation
5. Also excluded by them was that Ukraine did not even know of the pause in the aide until Sept of last year 2 months after the call.
6.That the President had met with Zaleski at the UN General Assembly . The Dem witnesses said that he would like to meet with Trump in the White House but a meeting at some neutral site was also acceptable .

That was just day one . The President's team will taken on the Biden crime family and if such an investigation was and is justified . They will also say that it is entirely possible that Ukraine also interfered in the 2016 election in support of Evita .Shiff says that theory and the Biden corruption were debunked . But the Dems offered no proof of that in their 23 hrs of charges .No one is saying it was a massive state wide effort . But there is no doubt that some Ukraine politicians and officials did . Their release of the 'black ledger ' that ultimately decided the fate of Manafort (Trump's one time campaign manager ) was indeed interference. And who exposed it to the US ? Well the NY Slimes itself .
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/what-is-the-black-ledger.html

Well let's just forget this failure to notify congress of the hold, or WB complaint!!

a technicality if indeed he did violate the statute .OMB used an apportionment device called a “footnote” to freeze it on July 25, and the office renewed the freeze 8 times to allow for an “interagency process to determine the best use of such funds.”. I'm sure that will be brought up tomorrow or before the defense rests .It is the role of OMB to ensure funds are being spent efficiently . You will not deny that there was still concerns about Ukraine corruption. An election of a reformer and a favorable parliament did not change that fact .The new government certainly did not have time to address the corruption concerns .

Voldermort (aka Eric Ciaramella ); The whistle blower who shall not be named (who is not really a whistleblower because he does not have whistleblower protections )….well his complaint is bunk unless he can prove that the transcript released is a fabrication .But he can't because he was not the only person who listened in on the conversation ...and others who did corroborated the text of the transcript.

Besides ,he had an agenda :
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/01/22/whistleblower_was_overheard_in_17_discussing_with_ ally_how_to_remove_trump_121701.html

Well we know that interagency review was a crock, as well as the footnote freeze that they wanted kept a secret from the congress. We also know that Parnas informed the Ukraine government in harsh a tone as possible to comply or lose money and prestige. So lets not pretend they knew nothing, or felt no pressure from this scheme. Zelenskyi probably did his best to put on a brave public face, and keep some semblance of dignity and self respect.

We all know full well what happens to a repub who steps out of line and votes for witnesses, even if the public wants a fair trail, witnesses and documents. Be interesting to see what happens if we don't get it. The disgusting part is finding out the July 25th phone call was but the latest installment of this full pressure campaign to get the Ukrainians to capitulate to doing the dufus a favor.

Believe whatever you please Tom, but I want complete verification of the full facts. So does the public.

Talaniman: Well, darn! I can't stand the NEOCONs and you can't stand the far lefties....hmmm: THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A 3RD PARTY THAT I HAVE ADVOCATED BEFORE AND YOU SAID NO!

No, A.O.C. doesn't have the votes.....but, man, does she have the LOOKS!!! But I digress!

Zelenskyi probably did his best to put on a brave public face, and keep some semblance of dignity and self respect. that argument makes zero sense . He could seal the deal by going public and saying he was indeed pressured and that there was a quid pro quo. ie throw Trump under the bus. But he still maintains there was no pressure. I don't give a rats a$s what
Parnas says . He is completely discredited .


We all know full well what happens to a repub who steps out of line and votes for witnesses I want witnesses since they were denied to the President in the House impeachment investigation as well as a smidgeon of due process. Yes I want Hunter and quid pro Joe to testify under oath . I want Shiff to explain his fabrication of the transcript at the beginning of the House hearings (which he was content to stand by until the release of the transcript. (then he dismissed his lies as parody ) . I want him to explain how he maintained he had the evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians which he maintained until the Mueller report rebuked his lies . I want him under oath to repeat the lies about this Ukraine thing while under oath .

Talaniman: Well, darn! I can't stand the NEOCONs and you can't stand the far lefties....hmmm: THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A 3RD PARTY THAT I HAVE ADVOCATED BEFORE AND YOU SAID NO!

No, A.O.C. doesn't have the votes.....but, man, does she have the LOOKS!!! But I digress!

I don't think a 3rd party works at all at least not in the current environment, but I admit getting tired of this rigged system and how easily it gets subverted and corrupted. You want a 3rd party? Better get the right people that attracts others and the right message we all want to hear and get behind or all you will have is a vote magnet that helps one of the main parties standard bearer.

Been watching repubs sink into the cesspool since the establishment repubs took over the Tea Party mantle, and corrupted it until the dufus just walked in and took over because the right was tired of the establishment BS, and being left in the cold. Now he runs it like the dictator we always feared and does whatever he wants the way he wants it so yeah right now a 3rd party SOUNDS good but I admit desperation and frustration with the status quo.

Considering Australia whenever that darn drought is over!


that argument makes zero sense . He could seal the deal by going public and saying he was indeed pressured and that there was a quid pro quo. ie throw Trump under the bus. But he still maintains there was no pressure. I don't give a rats a$s what [LEFT]Parnas says . He is completely discredited .

I want witnesses since they were denied to the President in the House impeachment investigation as well as a smidgeon of due process. Yes I want Hunter and quid pro Joe to testify under oath . I want Shiff to explain his fabrication of the transcript at the beginning of the House hearings (which he was content to stand by until the release of the transcript. (then he dismissed his lies as parody ) . I want him to explain how he maintained he had the evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians which he maintained until the Mueller report rebuked his lies . I want him under oath to repeat the lies about this Ukraine thing while under oath .


Sounds good call them ALL! I just want to see the dufus's head explode if the repubs dared such a thing against his expressed orders.

during the Clintoon impeachment witnesses testified by deposition and both sides cherry picked the video apart . It was a completely futile and stupid exercise that had no impact on the verdict ;but wasted time before the outcome .

Me ? I am in favor of prolonging this through the New Hampshire primary compelling the Dem Senators running to stay in Washington.

Middle of June so we can count the meltdowns.

The NeoCons were the worse thing that ever happened to the Republican Party and the Tea Party got taken over by their surrogates. Likewise, I see the same thing happening in the Democratic Party with the far lefties and the other problem is the SUPERPAC crap: How can you be a Party of The People when you have SuperPacs and, thereby, become the best friend money can buy...its like cozying up to a crocodile: they smile right up to the time they bite your head off!

Dark undisclosed money is dangerous!

Dark undisclosed money is dangerous!
said AOC the hypocrite

https://nypost.com/2020/01/11/aoc-sworn-enemy-of-dark-money-now-pushing-her-own-pac/

witnesses Now I suppose the Dems are going to redouble their efforts to get Bolton to testify after the Slimes convenient "bombshell " . Here is the deal . Even if everything reported is true that he squeezed Ukraine ;nothing happened ,no investigation ,only a temporary delay in delivering aid that Ukraine did not know was being hld up ........and nothing that was impeachable.

Ukraine didn’t know about the hold until Politico reported it .AND their report does not prove a 2020 election motive. It is hilarious to me that there are people who think Trump withholding money from the Ukraine will be the end of his Presidency. No one cares outside the swamp .

Bolton left(or was fired ) because he had policy differences with Trump and now he wants to sell a book . That is the only way the Slimes bombshell can be read . He just posted pre-order for his book on Amazon.

I think your theory will face a very stiff test Tom, especially if there are MORE bombshells out there ready to go off.

how many "bomb shell " revelations has Trump survived ? Guess who clears books by former NSC officials ……
Army Lt. Col. Yevgeny (Eugene ) Vindman ;brother of Captain America ,
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman. Wonder who leaked it to the Slimes ? ..hmmmm .

The Battleship Von Trump has survived dive bomb attacks, torpedo attacks, floating mines, magnetic mines, an array of various shore battery duels, and bimbo/porno star attacks to come to the point where the enemy is nearly spent of all offensive means against him!

What a marvelous ship is the Battleship Von Trump!

What a marvelous ship is the Battleship Von Trump!

Yes, however, battleships are so last century

It's not like the dude doesn't have plenty of sycophants circling around him to protect him.

It's not like the dude doesn't have plenty of sycophants circling around him to protect him.

yes lots of little destroyers depth charging those demonrats

Never send a sycophant to do a mans job! The dufus will find that out as more of his dastardly deeds come to light. He's ben a lying cheating crooked bully all his life and what makes anyone think he has changed for the better?

Never send a sycophant to do a mans job! The dufus will find that out as more of his dastardly deeds come to light. He's ben a lying cheating crooked bully all his life and what makes anyone think he has changed for the better?

I'm sure none of us think that, or even think it is possible, however, given the available choices, who are you gonna call? Not Trumpbusters

The right wing loony noise machine made it's Impeachment debut yesterday with the dufus defense dream tean presentation before the congress. No where on Earth could you find every talking point and conspiracy theory on full display going all the way back to the early days of the Obama era, with a special flashback of the Clinton Impeachment by Ken Starr that surely brought a tear to the right wing eyes of us oldsters. Folks, they didn't miss a trick, using the time tested blame Obama, and throw in Joe that had pundits aptly renaming this team the Confederacy of Dunces.
(https://www.mediaite.com/tv/confederacy-of-dunces-joe-scarborough-absolutely-destroys-trumps-legal-defense-team/)
How fitting for the circus clowns of the dufus show, as repubs scrambled to find a list of witnesses to call, because they realized that no way could they vote to acquit the dufus on the heels of this sorry performance by their greatest legal minds.

Oh good grief. You act like you voted for Mr. Honesty and Ms. High Character, and now you are shocked to find that politicians tend to cut corners. Your two heartthrobs were every bit as prone to self-serving, career advancing moves as Trump is. This fake display of shock and horror gets old. He asked the Ukes to investigate an issue involving Biden. So? That whole deal smelled to the high heavens and probably needed investigating. If you have any evidence that Trump did anything out of the ordinary (worthy of impeachment) then bring it forward. Otherwise get about the business of trying to dump him in the proper way which is at the ballot box. This fake prosecution is way past over with. It plainly has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with trying to get some lame, pathetic dem pres candidate elected who could not possibly win otherwise.

Talaniman: Not only will the Senate vote to acquit The POTUS but they won't even call witnesses. The left is far too giddy about all this crap.....Pelosi and Schiff are counting their chickens before they hatch: Nothing but nothing is going to come of it. Even big bad turncoat John "Walrus" NeoCon Bolton won't be able to save the left's bacon: In November '20, can you say "The Winner By Knockout, And Still President Of The United States Of America, Donald J. Trump".

The right wing loony noise machine made it's Impeachment debut yesterday with the dufus defense dream tean presentation before the congress. No where on Earth could you find every talking point and conspiracy theory on full display going all the way back to the early days of the Obama era, with a special flashback of the Clinton Impeachment by Ken Starr that surely brought a tear to the right wing eyes of us oldsters. Folks, they didn't miss a trick, using the time tested blame Obama, and throw in Joe that had pundits aptly renaming this team the Confederacy of Dunces.
(https://www.mediaite.com/tv/confederacy-of-dunces-joe-scarborough-absolutely-destroys-trumps-legal-defense-team/)
How fitting for the circus clowns of the dufus show, as repubs scrambled to find a list of witnesses to call, because they realized that no way could they vote to acquit the dufus on the heels of this sorry performance by their greatest legal minds.

Starr was his usual prissy self and Dershowitz his now usual upside-down self. With Pam Bondi and the others, there was no rebuttal of the issues - just more Obama smashing. It never gets old for that crowd.

Noteworthy was a complete absence (except a brief mention by Alan D) of the bombshell of Bolton describing the president admitting he held up the $391 million until Ukraine would announce an investigation of Biden. Is anybody still looking for an eyewitness? Amazingly, some Senate wag said a book recollection is not admissible. So it needs to be done in person. However, Trump is blocking witnesses from testifying. Catch 22!

Then later, there was the fact that Trump was doing favors for the autocrats in Turkey and China. More from Bolton. Trump, naturally, has already shifted his tune re Bolton - now he's a liar!

Guess you don't appreciate the humor or irony of my post this morning, given your favorite response to everything on the forum always goes back to Obama, and we know your fancy for those far right talking points and conspiracy theories. LOL, my friend I thought of you a lot yesterday as the Dunces droned on about your favorite subjects and the image of your utter entertainment and joy was searing my imagination.

Knowing you were happy actually made me happy! Everyone deserves a good day and I thought yesterday would be yours. What more could you ask for with your coffee, donuts, and Dershowitz? Don't get no better than that with you righties does it? I heard the deal with repubs to call Bolton in exchange for Hunter Biden was going rather well, no?

Nonetheless, I always thought people at least smiled when they were on a roll even if it was down hill. 8D Come on man! Don't cha wanna give us a grin this morning? Just let go of your nose and grab your cheeks and pull!

My response did not go back to Obama. It goes back to you and the others on this board who so happily voted for him and HC and now want to act like Trump is a completely different cat from them. We all know that if every action of practically any pres was made public we would all likely be shocked, and that includes your esteemed (by you) Mr. Obama. I just wish you would stop all the theatrics and get a little bit honest. If all you have is Trump wanting the Ukes to investigate Biden, who needed investigating, then you have nothing.

I am honest when I point out that going around the accepted processes for dealing with certain government issues is both foolish, dangerous and can lead you into big trouble and so far I have been right about that. That's why he is such a dufus.

You want to investigate an American on foreign soil, you don't call their head official for a favor, you get your DOJ AG, Barr to open a formal inquiry with their government, and have your FBI data as evidence. You certainly don't have your private attorney poking around looking for the dirt you want to make your case. That looks personal, and it is.

Like I said what a dufus, as how could his advisers not have told him about the right way to handle business? I mean good gosh why give your enemies the ammunition to impeach you when you do have the law on your side. As it stands he has done everything totally against the law and got himself impeached and rightfully so!

He stepped over the line with both feet for no reason other than stupidity, and deserves to pay the full consequences of his actions like anyone else who disobeys the law. That's as honest as I can get.

I am honest when I point out that going around the accepted processes for dealing with certain government issues is both foolish, dangerous and can lead you into big trouble and so far I have been right about that. That's why he is such a dufus.And you are dishonest when you pretend that HC and Obama did not do the same thing. As to the rest of your post, don't confuse speculation with fact. Why wouldn't Trump ask the Uke pres to investigate? Do you think he should have checked in with you first?

Stepped over the line? You're dreaming.

Demos REALLY, REALLY DON'T WANT OLD JOE AND YOUNG HUNTER UP ON THE STAND! Besides that, I don't think Uncle Joe has the guts to get up on the stand and get grilled. But I doubt, seriously, that ANY WITNESSES WILL BE CALLED AT ALL!

LOL, repubs don't either, because they do have the votes to call them both to testify without the dems help.

Like I said a while back, and I'm not too smart but it didn't take a lot of smarts to figure this out: This whole IMPEACHMENT play is going to cost the Demos EVERYTHING: The House, The Senate, and The Executive! We have a saying in the South that fits this mess: Don't piss in my ear and tell me its raining! That's exactly what the Demos have done with the Russia crap, the bimbo eruptions (all 20 of them), and now this Ukraine brain drain! The American People are sick of the B.S. and they are sick of being told HOW TO THINK AND WHAT TO THINK! You Demos are overbearing! Oh, I also believe that Repubs can and have done the same thing at one time or another, but you Demos have elevated it to an artform: PLEASE, STOP IT, FOR YOUR OWN SAKE!

Really not trying to egg you on, but I do feel the same about repubs sometimes.

Talaniman: Where is Tip O'Neal and Ronald Reagan when they could really help out? Following our Political Soap Opera is like a hamster running on a wheel: Its exhausting!

Those guys are gone Vac...RIP, but you could change the channels when you need a break. That's what I do. Finding Bigfoot is a great break from the soaps.

Talaniman: I may be shunned for what I am about to say....possibly even thought to be crazy...BUT, here it goes: Once I saw the infamous "Bluff Creek/Patty" film, my opinion about the potential of a bipedal running around the woods absolutely changed....after so many witnesses to this "creature", as well as pictures and film, they all cannot be loons....there is something out there which can't be explained.

I watch all kinds of stuff and if they can catch giant gators and snakes in the woods and swamps no telling what else is out there and what has visited from someplace else. No your not crazy or strange in that regard.

Vac, I do have some oceanfront property in Nevada I'd like to sell you.

jlisenbe: How can you be so sure? One of the most credible/incredible filming of something in the woods like this was in a South Mississippi swamp.

Vac, there might be something to it, but for those creatures to exist there would need to be some stable population of them. One solitary member of a species does not come into existence, live, and die. I just think they would have easily been found by now.

Vac, there might be something to it, but for those creatures to exist there would need to be some stable population of them. One solitary member of a species does not come into existence, live, and die. I just think they would have easily been found by now.

Just some weirdo roaming the woods

Just some weirdo roaming the woods

That made me laugh! I can just picture it.

Jlisenbe: Do not laugh: Trail game cams from some friends of mine in South Georgia have shown "some weirdo" roaming the woods....and I mean a wild looking, barely clothed man....darned scary. Guy will show up during the day and 1 to 6 AM, doesn't matter.

Jlisenbe: Do not laugh: Trail game cams from some friends of mine in South Georgia have shown "some weirdo" roaming the woods....and I mean a wild looking, barely clothed man....darned scary. Guy will show up during the day and 1 to 6 AM, doesn't matter.

Just some schitzo gone native

Jlisenbe: Do not laugh: Trail game cams from some friends of mine in South Georgia have shown "some weirdo" roaming the woods....and I mean a wild looking, barely clothed man....darned scary. Guy will show up during the day and 1 to 6 AM, doesn't matter.Schiff?

Jlisenbe: Do not laugh: Trail game cams from some friends of mine in South Georgia have shown "some weirdo" roaming the woods....and I mean a wild looking, barely clothed man....darned scary. Guy will show up during the day and 1 to 6 AM, doesn't matter.
Was it trying to untangle its golf cart and long red tie from the underbrush?

They are constantly finding new stuff at the bottom of the oceans, new unseen species of animals and plants in the densest of jungles and rainforests, so the idea of a new or old previously unknown species of man is a possibility, but the fact that they are always looking is the important part and no matter the speculation, opinions, and theories, they keep finding stuff. They're digging in the dirt and finding the dwellings of old long dead settlements and civilizations and you can't help but be impressed when Swamp People snag those huge prehistoric gators, so I would say that it's not that easy to just pass off bigfoot as a loony in the woods, except the evidence says he's a lot bigger than the average human by a LOT. Yeah I watch all those TV programs plus the aliens too. A good diversion from the raucous din of cable news talking heads and politics.

Speaking of which looks like slick Moscow Mitch and the repubs are looking to wrap this Impeachment thing up this weekend according to plan without any further ado, putting an end to this chapter in history to boot the dufus out. It was a long shot they've always had the votes, but that hardly means the campaign is over by any means as the ads will be coming fast and furious for the summer, and no doubt we will find out more dastardly stuff to throw in the mix. Of course you will just have to live with the victory lap the dufus takes over the dems which he will rub in at every chance he gets until election day, but we knew that already didn't we?

Instead of letting this stuff drive you nuts though, keep plenty of batteries for the remote on hand and have a life you enjoy for yourself, as part of the survival kit for silly season. To put that in perspective folks, not only are the loonies loose, but people are running around dodging mother nature and disease, and I hope they take the time to vote, if it's allowed.

Talaniman: They haven't, YET, prevented anyone from voting....guess a NATIONAL EMERGENCY could be called and a suspension of elections decreed....but that hasn't happened YET.....Do you still think Trump is THAT SCARY? With all of the crap going on in this world, its a whirling dervish! I might be looking at all this through eyes that don't connect to memories but, I SWEAR, I don't remember a time in my time where there was so much stuff happening so darned fast...keeping up with all of it is just not realistic.....and that's not Demo or Repub, its just that world seems like its about spin off its axis. Its obvious that DISORDER is in a war with ORDER: I can't really tell who is going to win.

Look deeper Vac, voter suppression has been a concern for years i (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-adviser-republicans-voter-suppression)n many states, but especially after the Shelby case was decided in SCOTUS. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_County_v._Holder) Even after repubs have admitted publicly that was their plan on a state level. (https://billmoyers.com/2014/10/24/voter-discrimination/)

Bottom line is it's never as simple as it seems.

Talaniman: They haven't, YET, prevented anyone from voting....
Research gerrymandering. Also read upon what the government is doing on Indian reservations to squelch voting.

Tal, your last link was nothing more than despicable, left-wing propaganda. As for gerrymandering, the dems have been more guilty of that over the years than anyone else. We are now to the ridiculous point that requiring ID to vote, which is the most obvious and proper thing in the world to do, is called racist tactics by people who don't care to do any real thinking on the subject. You have to show ID to buy tobacco products and alcohol, but not to vote? Really? Buying alcohol is more important than voting? It's an absolutely insane idea.

jlisenbe: People DIE every year overseas trying to vote: How can asking for I.D. be deemed bad? It shouldn't offend anyone AS LONG AS EVERYONE IS REQUIRED THE SAME PRESENTATION: Honestly, if a Vote Poll Staffer was to let me pass without requesting I.D. and asked a person of some non-White ethnicity for their I.D., it would really piss me off!....that's not what we are trying to accomplish with Voter I.D.

Tal, your last link was nothing more than despicable, left-wing propaganda.BTW, that was not intended to be a reflection on you, but on the author of the article.

Vac, I have to show mine every time. No big deal.

Tal, your last link was nothing more than despicable, left-wing propaganda. As for gerrymandering, the dems have been more guilty of that over the years than anyone else. We are now to the ridiculous point that requiring ID to vote, which is the most obvious and proper thing in the world to do, is called racist tactics by people who don't care to do any real thinking on the subject. You have to show ID to buy tobacco products and alcohol, but not to vote? Really? Buying alcohol is more important than voting? It's an absolutely insane idea.

Didn't know Bill Moyers ran a left wing site with radical authors, even if the loony you object to was ABSOLUTELY factually correct. Nobody minds ID's, but closing DMV's in some neighborhoods of large minority populations and reducing hours in others that are difficult to access is targeted voter suppression, as well as not allowing college students to vote on campus, or allowing a hunting license to be accepted but not a student ID. You know those little under the radar stuff that doesn't quite make the news. Southern states are notorious for such tricks but they do it everywhere repubs are found with impunity. It ain't about ID's but the hoops you jump through to get them. I mean you can't get an ID without certain required documents and that in itself is a daunting challenge. Can't blame you though if you have no clue the tricks and traps of such a reasonable sounding requirement escapes you. (https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/opinion/local-opinion-columnists/republican-voter-suppression-tactics-in-practice/)



A Republican secretary of state or county registrar of voters can target and remove voters in heavily Democratic precincts by sending them first class letters with a “do not forward” stamp on the envelope. If the letters are returned, for any reason, they use that as evidence that the voters do not live at that address and purge them from the voter rolls. If they show up to vote, they are challenged and, at best, required to cast a provisional ballot, with a good chance their vote will not be counted.Republican secretaries of state often create statewide “purge” or “scrub” lists. They find people with names that match someone else and use this as an excuse to assume they are the same person, trying to vote twice and delete them both from the voter rolls, often disregarding little things like Jr. and Sr. and differing middle initials.They also delete people with the same names as felons.



jlisenbe: People DIE every year overseas trying to vote: How can asking for I.D. be deemed bad? It shouldn't offend anyone AS LONG AS EVERYONE IS REQUIRED THE SAME PRESENTATION: Honestly, if a Vote Poll Staffer was to let me pass without requesting I.D. and asked a person of some non-White ethnicity for their I.D., it would really piss me off!....that's not what we are trying to accomplish with Voter I.D.

THANKS! Poll watchers shouldn't ask anyone anything.

Didn't know Bill Moyers ran a left wing site with radical authors, even if the loony you object to was ABSOLUTELY factually correct.You must not have read it. It was factually a bunch of nonsense.


Nobody minds ID'sYou must not be listening to many of the democrats.

Talaniman: You have to watch the DMVs: SOME OF THEM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED! N.C., for example, allows illegal aliens the right to obtain a driver's license....if they can get a driver's license, they will be allowed to vote....I don't think that is what you want, do you?

N.C. has traded its soul in return for cheap labor to fill construction sites, chicken processing plants, truck farms and other agricultural practices, fill resorts grounds keeping, and staff hotel maid services.....at some point, I hope N.C. pays a price for its flagrant violation of law and for EXPLOITING laborers.

You must not have read it. It was factually a bunch of nonsense.

That's one reason that it has gone on so long, and been successful. Of course you aren't exactly known for fact checking or recognizing evidence, But voter suppression of minorities is a much bigger problem than voter fraud ever was and we know the big stink conservatives make over that.


You must not be listening to many of the democrats.

So easy for you to dismiss the problem of voter ID shenanigans by repubs (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/jeff-sessions-promise-protect-civil-rights-voting-rights-texas/)without even doing your research on the practice. Start with your neighbor Alabama, and don't forget your own state. Georgia and Florida are good examples and you tell me if this is about having an ID. Seems a southern boy like yourself would know the tricks of the trade using voter ID laws to hide behind. I mean purging thousands of people because you wrote a law that allows it is pretty despicable. (https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2020/01/03/nation-watches-as-wisconsin-voter-purge-battle-builds/)

Legalized cheating (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pa+repub+admits+voter+suppression+tactics&view=detail&mid=09316820B2A9BB2F394909316820B2A9BB2F3949&FORM=VIRE) to affect election outcomes. Remember this? (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pa+repub+admits+voter+suppression+tactics&view=detail&mid=AD73CC36B01068E96251AD73CC36B01068E96251&FORM=VIRE)


Talaniman: You have to watch the DMVs: SOME OF THEM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED! N.C., for example, allows illegal aliens the right to obtain a driver's license....if they can get a driver's license, they will be allowed to vote....I don't think that is what you want, do you?

N.C. has traded its soul in return for cheap labor to fill construction sites, chicken processing plants, truck farms and other agricultural practices, fill resorts grounds keeping, and staff hotel maid services.....at some point, I hope N.C. pays a price for its flagrant violation of law and for EXPLOITING laborers.

Unless a driver license automatically registers you to vote I can't see that happening. Please elaborate.

So easy for you to dismiss the problem of voter ID shenanigans by repubs (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/jeff-sessions-promise-protect-civil-rights-voting-rights-texas/)without even doing your research on the practice. Start with your neighbor Alabama, and don't forget your own state. Georgia and Florida are good examples and you tell me if this is about having an ID. Seems a southern boy like yourself would know the tricks of the trade using voter ID laws to hide behind. I mean purging thousands of people because you wrote a law that allows it is pretty despicable. (https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2020/01/03/nation-watches-as-wisconsin-voter-purge-battle-builds/)First you said, "nobody minds IDs", but now you fall back on the dem talking point that voter ID laws are somehow racism in practice. Strange how requiring an ID for tobacco or alcohol is not racist, but voter ID somehow is. If someone is too sorry to get off their lazy rear end and get a free ID card, then they don't deserve to vote. I have no sympathy for them at all, and I pay no attention to any argument that requiring an ID is some form of racism. It's basically saying that minorities are too dumb to know how to get some form of ID. I don't believe they are.

Besides, voter ID laws do not suppress voter turnout. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2019/02/13/suppression-debunked-study-concludes-voter-id-laws-dont-decrease-voter-turnout-n2541344

Talaniman: No, in N.C. the illegals can get a D.L.....if they get a D.L., they can vote....pretty screwed-up! There are 750,000 illegals in N.C., that we know about!

Talaniman: No, in N.C. the illegals can get a D.L.....if they get a D.L., they can vote....pretty screwed-up! There are 750,000 illegals in N.C., that we know about!

now that explains the demonrat vote

The only voter fraud case I know of was done by repubs and caused a revote in NC, Vac. Or else it goes down as another exagerated story about illegals since an application is required to register (https://www.ncsbe.gov/Voters/Registering-to-Vote)just like in most states. In other words repubs are at it again. (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article237507069.html)


Shortly after the elections, then-Gov. Pat McCrory tried to challenge his loss to Cooper by making claims about voter fraud. Part of his campaign’s strategy was to accuse several dozen North Carolina residents of voting illegally. However, many of those allegations were ruled to be baseless, and some of the voters who were falsely accused of committing voter fraud later sued McCrory’s campaign (https://apnews.com/903edf778faf4e3bbf9a48543f1877d3) for libeling them.
Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article237507069.html#storylink=cpy

Happy Brexit . The Brits and America celebrate together . The Brits leave the EU and the Dem coup attempt snuffed .

The forces of the right march on to victory, creeping socialism bested again

The turtle did the Dem Senators a huge favor today by ending the session before the final vote. He could've dragged it through the weekend preventing Sanders ,Warren and Klobuchar the opportunity to campaign in Iowa ahead of the caucus ealy next week . You think they will appreciate it ? Nah

The fix was in for the dufus and everybody knew it. No surprise for this sham trial. I don't think its over though even if the Bolton book may not get published on time.

goes along with the House Sham impeachment . now if the Dems were smart ;they would find common ground with the President for projects they can pass .But they won't . So the Turtle should schedule the final vote on Tuesday afternoon a couple hours before the SOTU address. What a hoot !!

btw ;I fully expect the final vote to have at least 3 Dems voting to acquit .....most likely Joe Manchin ,Kyrsten Sinema and Doug Jones .

and I hope Mittens is content being a one term Senator. He will get primaried .

goes along with the House Sham impeachment . now if the Dems were smart ;they would find common ground with the President for projects they can pass .But they won't . So the Turtle should schedule the final vote on Tuesday afternoon a couple hours before the SOTU address. What a hoot !!

btw ;I fully expect the final vote to have at least 3 Dems voting to acquit .....most likely Joe Manchin ,Kyrsten Sinema and Doug Jones .

and I hope Mittens is content being a one term Senator. He will get primaried .

The demonrats finding common ground with Trump, wash your mouth out Tom, just the thought of it brings a rush of blood to the head. Pelosi's grap for power is over and let us contemplate the possibility that she might be thrown out on her ear in the election, she has been there too long

goes along with the House Sham impeachment . now if the Dems were smart ;they would find common ground with the President for projects they can pass .But they won't . So the Turtle should schedule the final vote on Tuesday afternoon a couple hours before the SOTU address. What a hoot !!

btw ;I fully expect the final vote to have at least 3 Dems voting to acquit .....most likely Joe Manchin ,Kyrsten Sinema and Doug Jones .

and I hope Mittens is content being a one term Senator. He will get primaried .

The vote is Wednesday to acquit and Romney owns the dufus hating Utah. Dems may just have gotten extra motive to tip the senate, but you know nothing gets done during an election year. Then there will be the study drip in the news that the dufus might not like.


The demonrats finding common ground with Trump, wash your mouth out Tom, just the thought of it brings a rush of blood to the head. Pelosi's grap for power is over and let us contemplate the possibility that she might be thrown out on her ear in the election, she has been there too long

Don't be surprised if dems hold the house whether or not Pelosi remains the leader or not. Even most repubs though know the dufus is a crook, but the NEED him to keep their jobs and everybody knows that too.

Dems may just have gotten extra motive to tip the senate
and therein you find their motive for this charade . They even found today before the vote ,a women who claims that Trump raped her 40 years ago in a Department Store Dressing Room …...AND she still has the unlaundered dress !!! So she wants Trump's DNA tested . You can't make this stuff up ! She waits until the decisive day of the impeachment trial to make this claim . Trump was Kavanaughed …or is it Clintooned ?

Demos have been exposed for all to see.]

The Demos will lose the House....Senate will remain Repub.....Trump will win by a landslide.

The Right is on the march around the world.....its a new day.

Romney is certainly a wishy-washy, spineless embarrassment of a man. SOOOO thankful Obama won the POTUS over him: He would have been a disaster.

Boy if this hand delivered cover up assistance of the dufus sends you guys spinning in circles of glee, you can imagine what the dufus victory lap will look like. I still have that one term president crack by Moscow Mitch ringing in my ears. He was the minority leader then, but intentions very clear. He failed even as repubs took over the congress, and the senate became the most obstructive body in history in 2012 denying Obama a SCOTUS pick, or any other legislative victory with Obama care attacked so many times we lost count.

I suppose this victory lap was overdue and self deserved though as we enter the primaries. and brace for more dufus shenanigans. You don't think this will be the last test of how far the repubs have sunk do you? Or this was the last gasp at THIS atrocity did you? No on all accounts

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBZitnj.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBZg42L.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBZg5SD.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

Have a pen …
https://www.frontpagelive.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/taking-a-jab-at-pelosi-trump-hands-out-pens-during-usmca-signing-1024x536.jpg

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBWp49k.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f&x=1860&y=766

why am I not suprised the Dems won't accept the results that Trump will be legitimately acquited of all the phony charges . The never accepted his legitimate electoral college victory . They still don't accept there was no collusion even after their hand picked prosecutor found nothing . They have never accepted his offers to work across the aisle even though he has many same visions of spending priorities . Will their temper tantrum ever end ? They have already set the stage to reject his coming landslide 2020 victory . When he swears in January next year Pelosi will look at him and say ……"well you are still impeached for life …..nananana ".

A fearful hatred has a lot to do with it. He derailed their anointed one and they haven't gotten over it yet. To make matters worse (in their view), the country is doing well in many respects and Trump is chipping away at their historic ownership of the black vote. They are both angry and afraid, and that's a bad combination. The dem party seems to have been taken over by an ideologically extreme left wing faction. It will be interesting to see where that takes them. You even have Warren going about saying she will have a 9 year old transgender child do the vetting for her sec of education. It's just off the charts crazy.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83698876_10218220637960102_1828407353599328256_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQmYFt1kk5dxtNPo0KvMs7J1OadcOgZVGjGzjfmR6La EdjpWmeC1Qvz6REGaNh0od4w&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=4871bbd0c48594715072a8a96a36b8d3&oe=5EBE48AE

That is hilarious!

Tomder: Who care what the Demos will think! They will be powerless: The Demos will lose the HOUSE! Then the Repubs can start investigating the sh&$t out of them....they like to try and torture, they will find torture goes both ways.

Trump is chipping away at their historic ownership of the black vote.

Polls this week have him at getting 30% of Black support . Supposedly 20% support for a Republican would be suffient to keep a Dem candidate from winning EVER

https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-trump-earn-black-support-11579133622

The Democrats real turn to the left was set about by Obama when he surrounded himself with all the ideologically driven radicals in his first term. These people attracted young and stupid/heads full of mush/heads full of sh$t (that's what they were and, many, still are) and those sh$t-for-brains types grew beards and public hairs and thought they were modern day versions of Marx, Lenin, and Castro. Now, those same Bolshevik types have infested the Demo Party: The Demo Party is highly radicalized now, effectively sealing them off from electability in national elections. These Demo radical elements appear stronger than they are because they concentrate their numbers in urban areas hoping to proselytize other ignorant souls.

I don't want the Demos to "GO FULL RETARD" because we don't need more monopoly in Government than we already do...we need some balance.....hell, WE NEED A THIRD PARTY! But that may be wishful thinking on my part!

Darn if my subscription to WSJ just expired because I would sure like to know how he doubled or triples his black voter support just by claiming how much he has done for them.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAB5mmx.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f


The Democrats real turn to the left was set about by Obama when he surrounded himself with all the ideologically driven radicals in his first term. These people attracted young and stupid/heads full of mush/heads full of sh$t (that's what they were and, many, still are) and those sh$t-for-brains types grew beards and public hairs and thought they were modern day versions of Marx, Lenin, and Castro. Now, those same Bolshevik types have infested the Demo Party: The Demo Party is highly radicalized now, effectively sealing them off from electability in national elections. These Demo radical elements appear strong than they are because they concentrate their numbers in urban areas hoping to proselytize other ignorant souls.

I don't want the Demos to "GO FULL RETARD" because we don't need more monopoly in Government than we already do...we need some balance.....hell, WE NEED A THIRD PARTY! But that may be wishful thinking on my part!

Extreme right wing wishful thinking and musings? That's okay, can't knock you for that or Moscow Mitch and the dufusites shutting down a trial really quick with no witnesses or documents since obviously there are plenty of both, but of course the dufus can't let everybody see any of it. It ruins the lies he tells.

Talaniman: You know I ain't no WINGER!!! I am just saying what I have seen.....and, I could say the same kind of thing about Repubs but they just have gotten as far Right as the Demos have gone far left....but, they might get there yet...and, when they do, I will call them out, too.

YOU SEE WHY WE NEED A THIRD PARTY?!!! It becomes ever more obvious.

Whether or not the right is as extreme as you say dems are is very debatable Vac, because where I sit they are far gone or it seems many are and drive the narrative more than I have ever seen and the dufus keeps them loud and upfront with plenty of red meat served on a platter of hate and division, driven by fears he stokes so absolutely and often. You been hollering third party for a while many have over the years, but obviously not a lot of support, or a person to rally around, and it's not coming out of thin air for sure. It's a daunting task, and helps play right into the dufus hands while he corrupts the once respected repubs into utter sycophancy.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAB8xuk.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f&x=1547&y=1573

It use to be support was built on the trust to do the right thing by the people, not fear and distortion and extortion. That's okay, his sycophants protect him still but a few more court cases and investigations are still active and pending even if to late for this election cycle...MAYBE.

I would sure like to know how he doubled or triples his black voter support just by claiming how much he has done for them.You mean like having the lowest black unemployment in history?

You mean like having the lowest black unemployment in history?

Unemployment is low for everybody in MOST areas of the country, but to say blacks should be grateful or any minority, for that matter, is more insult than statement of fact. Pretty disingenuous on many levels to even imply it was done just for them when most everybody knows it wasn't. Not only has the trend been moving down on unemployment, again for many but not all, it's been doing that longer than the dufus has been around. That's why it's an insult to many to point out and take credit for delivering something to one group that the whole group is getting anyway.

Of course you have no clue of that which I speak so go ahead and enjoy your 20% support from the black community. If it materializes. 75% of AMERICANS wanted witnesses and documents but repubs said NO, because the dufus said NO! No problem, the truth will eventually make it to the light from the darkness in which he hides stuff in.