As Trump continues to dismantle NATO which is critical to the peace of the world and has been for 70 years, and as Trump continues to cater to the Putin enemy who is determined to bring down the United States and its allies, it is time to talk seriously about impeachment.

No longer should decent people do nothing about the daily lies that come out of the mouth of the evil person running America and, with the assistance of his sycophants, ignore the dismantling of policies that have been in place for decades.

Can anyone with even a speck of goodness in their heart watch as Trump carries out the horror of taking children away from their families and either refusing, or unable, to bring them together - even at the order of a court?

It is past time to act on the criminality of Donald Trump. It is high time to impeach him and remove him from the presidency.

If we impeach because we don't like a decision, all Presidents will be impeached. Anarchy will ensue. This is not a pro-Trump statement. This President is not conventional nor will he stand by on something he disagrees with. The issue of foreigners walking into this country illegally was not caused by Trump. If you don't like the law, change the law. It's a rational argument.

"Dismantle NATO" might be Pelosi'esk drama.

If we impeach because we don't like a decision,

We impeach because Trump is a crook, a liar, a grifter who has violated the emoluments rule, an obstructor of justice and a treasonous president who threatens to withdraw from NATO to appease our enemy Putin.


all Presidents will be impeached. Anarchy will ensue.

This statement is mind-bogglingly ignorant. ALL PRESIDENT WILL BE IMPEAChED. Huh ?? ANARCHY WILL ENSUE. Huh ?? Get a high-school history book. Previous presidents have been impeached without ALL being impeached and without anarchy ensuing.


This is not a pro-Trump statement.

It sure smells like one.


This President is not conventional

You're just finding that out? "Not conventional" is a nice way of saying nutcase. But this is not a pro-Trump statement. No, not much.


The issue of foreigners walking into this country illegally was not caused by Trump.

How about reading what I wrote? Separating children from their families was DIRECTLY caused by Trump. DIRECTLY! He walked it back because the entire planet was disgusted by what he did. [/QUOTE]


If you don't like the law, change the law. It's a rational argument.

Only people like you distract from the child horrors by changing the subject to "the law". "It's a rational argument", you say. Precisely the strategy used by Trump - when you get caught in an obvious evil, change the subject. But, of course, you're not a Trump supporter!


"Dismantle NATO" might be Pelosi'esk drama.

When in doubt and you don't have an answer, just bring up Pelosi - or Clinton. It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion but it's part of the Trump strategy. Good that you're not a Trump supporter.

Thank you. Your argument is without merit and it reeks of MSNBC. I did not vote for Trump. I have never or would I ever vote for a Clinton. This was the first time in my voting life that I haven't voted for President. While I appreciate what he has done for the economy and my industry, his approach to people and issues disgusts me. A President has to be someone who brings people together and he is anything but. But unlike you I can appreciate the good and the bad without articulating what I heard on MSNBC. Now would be a good time to take a cheap shot about the fact that the Clintons should be in jail for life, but I won't go there.

Thank you. Your argument is without merit

I notice you did not have a single rational thought to challenge my "without merit" argument. Typical!


I have never or would I ever vote for a Clinton.

Who said anything about Clinton? You people simply can't open your mouth without bringing up Clinton.


While I appreciate what he has done for the economy

He has done NOTHING for the economy. As any economist will tell you if you cared to seek the truth, Trump inherited an economy that was already recovering due to Obama's actions. Even right-wing economists will tell you that. What he HAS done vis-a-vis the economy is to dangerously toy with tariffs in a game he is not remotely qualified to play. Already signs of his destructive games are beginning to show, but it's a bit early to see the whole picture.


I can appreciate the good and the bad without articulating what I heard on MSNBC.

WHAT good? You make claims but do not back them up with a single thing. You badly need to educate yourself. You need more than ad hominems. And how did MSNBC get into this? Would you prefer FOX?


Now would be a good time to take a cheap shot about the fact that the Clintons should be in jail for life, but I won't go there.

There you go again - that Clinton thing! So glad you decided not to take a cheap shot that the Clintons should be in jail for life. You won't go there, you said. You're not at all clever but you are comical.

What is this; a wish list? Trump putting the squeeze on allies doesn't warrant impeachment, it warrants applause when it falls in the right places. Trump meeting Putin doesn't warrant impeachment, it warrants applause to reduce dangerous rhetoric. Bull in a china shop diplomacy seems to work, strangely enough. Sometimes allies need to be reminded who is providing the umbrella. However, there should be consideration of why that umbrella is necessary. Very soon China will be shipping goods through Russia to Europe so Donald will have more to be upset about as the Germans get their VW from China. Has a certain irony, doesn't it

Currently there are no grounds for impeachment in my opinion, of this president, AT THIS TIME, but that could change after the Mueller investigations concludes, or we get more facts from the various other lawsuits and court cases that he is or may be involved in. Certainly seems like a lot of them I have to say.

I think more disturbing is the antics of certain house members both in open hearings, and person conduct and closed interviews that clearly by design makes them sycophants of the Dufus in question. It's silly season folks and the gloves came off last year. For my money I think I trust Peter Strzok and his record better than ANY repub in the house right now. Interesting they point out his BIAS, and ignore their OBVIOUS bias.

No comment on the "Typical" Dufus antics overseas which clearly was unacceptable on many levels as what would you expect from a proven lying, cheating, loudmouth Dufus! Am I biased? Darn Skippy.

Am I biased?

I thought that was a given, tal, however donald has been very opiniated in his sweep through Europe, without Kim to taunt he must find someone else and the two looser ladies of Europe seem ideal targets

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NATO countries commit to spend 2% of GDP on the common defense . How many of them actually honor that ?
USA 3.6% of GDP and the libs here complain about that all the time .
UK 2.1%
Poland 2.0%
Greece 2.4%
Estonia 2.1%

THAT's IT folks !

21 nations in NATO do not live up to their commitment and some rich countries are pathetically behind .
Germany 1.2 %
Canada 1.3%

I think NATO still has a role . But it's time for the nations of Europe to pony up .

In what way has he catered to Putin ? By stationing thousands of US troops in Poland ? By US leading NATO war games in the Baltics ? By wacking Russian "mercenaries " in Syria ? By adding new sanctions to Putty's cronies in Russia
after the U.K. poisoning
? By threatening sanctions against Saudi Arabia and Qatar for considering buying Russian arms ? By trying to get Germany to end it's energy relationship with Russia via a pipeline ? By pressuring the Saudis to pump more crude which would lower world wide oil prices which would harm Russia's economy. By taking a hard line against the Russia alliance with the Mullahs in Tehran?

I think he is right, Putin is a competitor and that is the way to view him. Russia isn't in a position to dominate the world but he does have a sphere of influence and he will stir the pot. Tehran is a Russian client, has been for a long time. The Saudi have bought a lot of US arms but maybe there is something cheap the US don't have. The oil card has been played before but it also harms the Saudi

NATO countries commit to spend 2% of GDP on the common defense . How many of them actually honor that ?
USA 3.6% of GDP and the libs here complain about that all the time .
UK 2.1%
Poland 2.0%
Greece 2.4%
Estonia 2.1%

THAT's IT folks !

I think NATO still has a role . But it's time for the nations of Europe to pony up .

The 2% figure is a GOAL to be reached by 2024 - SIX YEARS FROM NOW!

Come on, Tom, you knew that.

(BTW, clueless Donald has upped it to 4% - he thinks NATO is a Manhattan condo development.)

even the emperor blasted NATO members for not living up to their commitments .


"If we’ve got collective defense, it means that everybody’s got to chip in, and I have had some concerns about a diminished level of defense spending among some of our partners in NATO. "....


"The situation in Ukraine reminds us that our freedom isn’t free, and we’ve got to be willing to pay for the assets, the personnel, the training that’s required to make sure that we have a credible NATO force and an effective deterrent force," "So one of the things that I think, medium and long term, we’ll have to examine, is whether everybody is chipping in.".....

"I want to take this opportunity to commend Greece for being one of the five NATO allies that spends 2 percent of GDP on defense, a goal that we have consistently set but not everybody has met,” “Greece has done this even during difficult economic times. If Greece can meet this NATO commitment, all our NATO allies should be able to do so,”

The cost of these commitments is massive borrowing or taxes, Greece would make an insignificant contribution in a conflict but it has long borders to police. You have to consider that some of these economies are bankrupt, not FREERIDER Germany but others like Bulgaria and therefore front line states might benefit while paying a little less. Trump is right about the germans they are gaming the system. A number of poor states were allowed into EU and NATO for convenience and strategic convenience, Trump fails to recognise this

Reacting to Obama being voted best modern president, Trump is enraged and sinks deeper into madness by tweeting that polls show him to be the most popular Republican, even polling higher than Lincoln (sic). He probably polls 100% in Russia.

As a guest of the UK, Trump undermines Prime Minister May by declaring he may "do an economic deal" with the EU instead of the UK after Brexit. He is single-handedly destroying a centuries-old alliance with the United Kingdom. This is perfectly in tune with Russian foreign policy, right after dismantling NATO which Trump is in the process of accomplishing.

Before he isolates America further, he must be impeached.


"If we’ve got collective defense, it means that everybody’s got to chip in, and I have had some concerns about a diminished level of defense spending among some of our partners in NATO. "....



"The situation in Ukraine reminds us that our freedom isn’t free, and we’ve got to be willing to pay for the assets, the personnel, the training that’s required to make sure that we have a credible NATO force and an effective deterrent force," "So one of the things that I think, medium and long term, we’ll have to examine, is whether everybody is chipping in.".....








Thank you for quoting Obama who has surveyed as the greatest modern president.

The Dufus taking his racist attitude to Europe is a total abomination. You can parse this anyway you want to, but tying immigration policy, here and abroad to loss of culture is stirring the pot of emotional animus and combined with his landlord collecting the rent he wants to be raised tactics, is a disgusting and shameful public display as ever been witnessed. Combined with his previous words and actions on the domestic front and the farce of watching his sycophants perform on live TV yesterday, it's small wonder that calls for impeaching the lying buffoon in chief pervade from the left.

Be aware though that this isn't about Europe, NATO, Immigration, or anything else except keeping his own power base here in America in line behind him. He can't rule the world without a congress that has his back. That's the end game folks, keeping what he got, and the right wing loony base is in power.

That's his only hope for survival, because he needs the cover of politics to enrich himself at the government teat, and get away with it. The rest of the show is just NOISE. You got it right Clete, The Trump Circus is probably the greatest show on EARTH. Let's not confuse it with real governing, or seeking mutually agreeable solutions to real problems.

Sorry but you righties are but a tough coalition of desperate conservatives, disenfranchised racists, and truly partisan hacks looking for legitimacy, and attention. As biased as you claim EVERYBODY else that's against you! I know, feels good to be paid attention too doesn't it?

You are obscessed, however you are right in that Trump can't present you to the world in this manner or they will learn the truth about the nation of meglomaniacs who would rule the world. It is no wonder the world arms itsself

Obsessed is such an exaggeration to my personal campaign to speak truth to power and following FACTS. I will admit it's far more enjoyable to throw rocks at The Dufus, than defend Obama from the loony right, a noisy minority, as opposed to us centrist reasonable people who look for reasonable solutions.

It's my DUTY, and responsibility as an American citizen to vote my interest that moves us forward on a good path and I just don't think that's what The Dufus and his sycophants are doing. To remain silent is not an option either, so obsession is an inaccurate description of my postings, since it's a lying, cheating, loudmouth bully that I am talking about.

Patriotic would be more to the point, and I do try to keep it about FACTS. The Dufus has a history of those facts which backs up my contention he is a self aggrandizing moron, who uses power to bask in its glory while he loots coffers with the help of the ignorant. Hmmm maybe I am obsessed with ridding the land of this threat of freedom and security, and unity that we have thrived on slowly but surely in this country.

I apologize Clete, you are correct, I am obsessed with standing against the Dufus and his bully boys.

As a guest of the UK, Trump undermines Prime Minister May by declaring he may "do an economic deal" with the EU instead of the UK after Brexit. He is single-handedly destroying a centuries-old alliance with the United Kingdom. This is perfectly in tune with Russian foreign policy, right after dismantling NATO which Trump is in the process of accomplishing.
Trump told the truth about May and the way she is screwing up Brexit. She is days away from a vote of confidence and that has nothing to do with Trump or the Russians .I doubt if the Tories would back her in a new election .

No ;what is destroying England and the EU is uncontrolled migration . With Brexit they have a chance to get control .

At least she is taking a hard line about the Russians poisoning Brits .

Trump told the truth about May and the way she is screwing up Brexit. She is days away from a vote of confidence and that has nothing to do with Trump or the Russians .I doubt if the Tories would back her in a new election .

No ;what is destroying England and the EU is uncontrolled migration . With Brexit they have a chance to get control .

At least she is taking a hard line about the Russians poisoning Brits .

Please elaborate on your statements as I am interested in the facts of why you believe that immigration is destroying England and the EU, (And America?) and what is her mishandling of Brexit. Right wing hollering points based on FEAR, are not facts, nor will lead to a solution or reasonable process. I mean extricating ones self from a long held trade practice, and replacing it with new infrastructures is a HUGE logistical nightmare.

Wonder when the Dufus will take a hardline on poisoning Brits after this last episode?

Please elaborate on your statements as I am interested in the facts of why you believe that immigration is destroying England and the EU, (And America?) and what is her mishandling of Brexit. Right wing hollering points based on FEAR, are not facts, nor will lead to a solution or reasonable process. I mean extricating ones self from a long held trade practice, and replacing it with new infrastructures is a HUGE logistical nightmare.

Wonder when the Dufus will take a hardline on poisoning Brits after this last episode?

What part of too many Muslims don't you get? Culture clash? Lack of skills? Lawlessness, terrorism?

What will he make of the victim possessing the agent? another Russian incursion into Britain?

What part of too many Muslims don't you get? Culture clash? Lack of skills? Lawlessness, terrorism?

What will he make of the victim possessing the agent? another Russian incursion into Britain?

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May is letting the EU dicate the terms of the Brit withdrawal . She is slow walking it and watering it down and frankly hopes it will go away . If she remains in power I predict the invoking of Article 50 will be revoked . So much for the will of the people. As for migration... this influx will change the culture of the nation the likes it hasn't seen since the Norman invasion .

I don't see the queen changing her tea time anytime soon.

The Queen is remote from any of it and may be even respected by all her subjects, she makes no war on anyone, perhaps american presidents could learn from her example, but immigration has been a serious problem for Britain and this is what triggered brexit. Britain needs to walk away from the EU and its creeping socialism and if there is a hard landing Britain has friends in other places and there will be many making a beeline for her door. The EU will eventually embrace Russia because of energy and it is just reality

The queen lives insular in a castle . The population which already is behind the 8 ball with the socialist system are paying a heavy price for the strain on the public services .

The queen lives insular in a castle . The population which already is behind the 8 ball with the socialist system are paying a heavy price for the strain on the public services .

Yes a strain made greater by freeloading migrants and the EU. The Queen is not unaware of affairs domestic or international, she is informed by the government of the day, but is a head of state not a politician. What do you think the White House is? A beach bungalow?

The Presidency is an executive function that has grown in power well beyond what was intended because the legislative branch has ceded power to the executive and the permanent bureaucratic state . In no way can the Presidency be compared to the freeloaders at Buckingham Palace .

That may well be the case but as Clete alluded The announcement of the indictment goes well beyond just a weekend news dump or distraction from the partisan house hearing farce. I believe it possible it was timed intentionally so The Dufus had the TRUTH to take with him before the meeting with his buddy Vlad. What he does with it will be telling, as he mulls it over this weekend.

A feckless congress is still our biggest problem though, and the founders, even though I fully believe that they knew over time, things would certainly change, would be horrified at the current version of what they created.

We will never get the Russians in court, but there is more to be revealed for sure. We should not let the Dufus gloss over these recent indictments with his slick talk and lies and blaming everybody else because he does have a DUTY to protect us from the actions of his boyfriend Vlad.

What will he do is the question. You have my solution...pimp slap the beetch!

and the founders, even though I fully believe that they knew over time, things would certainly change, would be horrified at the current version of what they created.

Washington knew . He walked out of the only time he visited Congress and never returned .

because he does have a DUTY to protect us from the actions of his boyfriend Vlad.
every President since Roosevelt has had multiple sit downs and summits with their Russian counterpart . That's the jaw jaw jaw part that prevents the war war war part .

Your side is out of control nutty over the Ruskies . I thought I was the cold warrior here . I remember clearly the massive demonstration by the left against Reagan's plan to put Pershings in Europe. Now you guys want us to cross the border with our 1% GDP armed allies to have an existential confrontation with them .

As bad as Putty is ,he is no Stalin . Roosevelt met with that mass murderer a number of times and supplied him with a critical arms supply that kept his regime in power for another almost 60 years .


We need to work with the Russians ,like it or not ,on areas of similar interests even if we consider them a hostile competitor … like ending the Syrian conflict ; getting our troops out of Afghanistan (right now going through Russia is our only option) ,denuclearizing the NORKS ,checking China ,and taking care of the Iranian regime. and of course we have similar interests in defeating jihadistan .

Russia doesn't have troops on our border unless you consider that short hop across the Bering Strait . US troops conduct war games right on their border in Poland and the Baltics .We actively seek more NATO expansion right on their border . We wage war on their border in Afghanistan . Iran is on their border and we have had a proxy war with them since 1979 .The NORKS are on their border and relations with them could go any which way depending on which time of the month it is ,or if un Kim is in a good or bad mood. The emperor told Putty that we were only going into Libya for humanitarian reasons. That is why Putty agreed to the UN resolution okaying it . Turns out the emperor lied to him . We went in their to wack QDaffy .Sorta puts us on the wrong side of the trust ledger . Oh yeah and we sent covert ops into Ukraine to influence their election .

Don't get me wrong . I despise him and only wish he would meet the same horrible fate as some of his nuclear poisoning victims . But the fact is we have no choice but to deal with Russia . So your sides logic of putting the blame on him for the fact that your candidate sucked and couldn't even hold on to the coalition of voters that loved her thieving ,lying ,hubby is irrational

You and the Dufus spin good fiction. Maybe a book deal is in your future. Screw Vlad and his oligarchs. He is a murderous thug criminal dictator. Enriching him is the last thing you should do given the current state of affairs. He is no competitor in free trade, and the money doesn't go to his nation or the people. We both know that is a FACT.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/11/the-russian-pipeline-to-germany-that-trump-is-so-mad-about-explained/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.38cac93634d3

On this I agree with The Dufus, so please read up on the Panama Papers, and get a perspective where his money goes and understand the bind the Europeans are in with their energy needs. Understand also Vlad's role in destabilizing not just our political system, but many other nations as well. I mean would he be propping up another dog dictator like Assad were it not for his military base in the Mediterranean?

So we should think before we get in bed with this dictator or any other because cooperation with a snake will get you bit. War and poverty are the causes of migration, and loyalties and bodies for armies have been bought because of both. Those are the facts of human history and modern times.

The worse thing about a fox in the hen house, is TWO! The beneficiary of any deal is the Dufus, surpassed only by Vlad, as far as this conversation is concerned. There are many others. Merkel is in a pickle all right, as she has wolves surrounding her. You can rationalize away the global right wing nationalistic movement away all you want, but it's the hottest geo-political game in the world.

Maybe Vlad is the Dufus's competitor (Vlad, NOT Russia) because they both want to be at the top of the heap calling the shots. You lose when that happens. We're losing now, you just won't admit it.

We're losing now, you just won't admit it.

You are right Tal you are losing and it might be because of Trump trade policies, but everyone wins if we go back to detaunte with Russia, so liven up and smell the roses, I assume you have roses over there

honestly ? The narrative that Trump and Putin colluded to steal the American election is fiction LeCarre ,and Flemming couldn't conger up in their best days as authors .Vlad is just the latest version of the Russian Czar ,and McCain has it right when he says Putty runs a gas station. That's why I want fracking and energy independence ;not to enrich Putty but to bury him. I'll say it again EVERY President since and including Roosevelt have had summits and meetings with their Russian counterpart . Your side hates Trump so much that you are willing to put our 2 nations on the brink again .It is a very dangerous path .You've so muddied the waters to a point where on both sides (here and in Russia) it is politically dangerous to conduct simple diplomacy . You think Putty doesn't have critics who think he's too soft on the US ?Like I said ,what happened in Libya looks like betrayal to many people in the Kremlin.

He hates Trump, he hates Putin, I beginning to wonder who does he like, only has-been's and want-to-be's, Libya is a mistake Putin won't make again. What does it matter if Putin sells energy, in this he is a competitor but of a different kind, one who is buying hearts and minds with some gas to cook with, this is something the US can't do

We’ve gone through a week where Trump was supposedly destroying the Western alliance, allegedly at Putin’s bidding, at the same time the president was forcefully advocating two policies anathema to the Kremlin...... More European defense spending and opposition to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

My one concern about the upcoming meeting is that I doubt Trump is properly briefed before the meeting . Kennedy was taken to school in his 1st meeting with Nikita Khrushchev .Khrushchev came out of that meeting sure that Kennedy was weak ;and that I'm sure played a part of his calculations that led to the Berlin and later the Cuban missile crisis . So it will be vital that there be no misspeak that can be wrongly interpreted by Putin. So far on this trip Trump's blunt and unschooled style has been a mixed bag of success and embarrassment. He cannot afford any such ambiguity during his meeting with Puty

I think it falacy to assume Russia and the US are equal either militarily or economically, Putin knows this and so does Trump. He can afford to be magnaminous and firm, simply telling Vlad what he told Kim, nuclear disarmament should be the long term goal. They can both agree an end to the war in Syria, the US can take a more neutral stance on the Ukraine and maybe call off some games, after all, the problem is one of EU making. A little common sense on both sides and everyone wins

Nothing will come of this meeting, just as nothing came of the meeting with Kim. It's just publicity and a photo op for the walls of Mara Lago and the rest of Trumps properties, so he can raise the rent. World leaders should talk, but The Dufus has no strategy, long or short term, other than building a Trump Tower in Moscow. Or maybe he is asking for asylum, for when he gets impeached for being a feckless Dufus, or the law catches him in his dirt.

Nothing will come of this meeting, just as nothing came of the meeting with Kim. It's just publicity and a photo op for the walls of Mara Lago and the rest of Trumps properties, so he can raise the rent. World leaders should talk, but The Dufus has no strategy, long or short term, other than building a Trump Tower in Moscow. Or maybe he is asking for asylum, for when he gets impeached for being a feckless Dufus, or the law catches him in his dirt.

Well Tal I see it as a ppositive that they are not shouting at each other. Vlad gives everyone asylum, he only has to ask. You are obscessed with impeachment but even if it happens dems still won't be in the White House, you backed the wrong horse and it's time to retire that one

I have backed the wrong horse in an election before. Not even a big deal. I doubt I remain silent because of The Dufus, or YOU thinking I should because FACTS matter. Impeaching The Dufus is because he is a lying cheating CRIMINAL. As the evidence mounts, do you any that he is NOT as I say?



Vlad gives everyone asylum, he only has to ask.

LOL, Yeah there breaking down the doors to get into Russia.

LOL, Yeah the're breaking down the doors to get into Russia.


Reverse migration, it might trend yet, but the cold prevents it, you can't even get the Muslims to migrate there, pity, they haven't worked out that Sweden is as cold as Russia, but in Russia you have to work

Any way tal Russia could be a great friend of The US if they both stopped this confrontationalism

Hard not to confront a DICTATOR who suppresses his people, jails and kills his opponents, even the ones abroad, seeks to expand his sphere of influence by military might, and weaponizes the internet to destabilize western democracy. I think he is asking for a confrontation. Your suggestion to leave him be is a parrot of insane blithering by our own homegrown idiot(s).

You are not alone, and that's sad really.

No obviously Trump has the same view because he has seen confrontationalism doesn't work Maybe he proceeds on the assumption that if you can't say anything good don't say anything at all. Putin is a problem for the Russians to solve not America. Trump is a problem for the americans to solve, not Russia. maybe Vlad has the answer, be nice. if the americans stopped interfering maybe Russia would too, Trump knows this

Trump is a Russian agent! What will repubs do now? Even Fox and Friends can't believe what they saw in Helsinki!

Trump is a Russian agent! What will repubs do now? Even Fox and Friends can't believe what they saw in Helsinki!

Have some perspective Tal Trump is undoing past mistakes, ideologically this hurts those who thought Obama and Clinton were anything but crap

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/once-again-president-trump-is-magnificently-right-this-time-about-russia/

The Dufus is an incompetent idiot who couldn't undo his own tie without extensive help. But at least you offer some basis for your assertion and I thank you for that. If you had listened carefully you would have heard Putin admit he wanted Dufus to win and he directed his flunkies to help him. Waiting for that to be caught and replayed a few times. Yes Putin has been a target for a long time to be eliminated from the national stage because he is a murderous dictator and has a big dangerous stick. But the real deal perspective is he hopes to regain all the money he has lost, and he just took the Kim playbook and made it so. Yep oldest motive in the world MONEY!

I have to offer Clete, you want world peace and stability? Get rid of the Dictators.

I have to offer Clete, you want world peace and stability? Get rid of the Dictators.

The world has worked long and hard on that one tal, and maybe one day it will be convenient, but you saw what happened with Gaddafi and the aftermath, do we want that again. It didn't work in Syria either. Democracy will eventually give rise to dictators who will do away with democracy and again and again we go through the stages, democracy, republic, empire, autocracy, anarchy, monarchy, democracy, etc, not necessarily in that order

The Dufus is propped up by his base of supporters and elected republican sycophants who quake in their boots at the idea of being seen going against him. I bet they are wondering how that base will react to the disgusting performance in Helsinki, and until they do know, they will be silent, but the next few days will be intriguing as he returns home to face the fallout. Meanwhile Mueller has DETAINED another Russian spy, this time on American soil and she has been indicted. A homecoming gift if you will.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/butina-arrest-6-things-to-know/ar-AAAaRJb?ocid=spartanntp

The evidence is mounting.

Who denies interference, but what effect did it have, were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds? Trump's performance was what could be expected, no big agreements, he went into it saying don't expect anything

were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds?
Yes.

1. Established personal contact with Americans perceived as sympathetic to Moscow;
2. Hacked the Democratic National Committee email servers and then gave the material to WikiLeaks;
3. Amplified the propaganda value of the leaked emails with a disinformation campaign waged predominantly on Facebook and Twitter, in an effort to use automated bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump agitprop;
4. Breached US voting systems in as many as 39 states leading up to the election, in an effort to steal registration data that officials say could be used to target and manipulate (http://www.businessinsider.com/jeh-johnson-russia-hacking-trump-voter-systems-2017-6) voters in future elections.

Evidence mounts Russia meddled in US election - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/evidence-russia-meddled-in-us-election-2017-6)

And the question is did this change people's minds

It doesn't matter. Whether it changed minds or not, the Russians assaulted our election system and there should be hell to pay. The stunt in Helsinki pissed off a lot of Dufus sycophants. What they do about it is to be seen, but you should have known no way was The Dufus going to legitimize Mueller or the intel community in public. His whole narrative is it's a witch hunt, biased against him, and a democratic plot. His whole tap dance is about keeping him and his family out of JAIL!

The question you should be asking is what was the deal that the Dufus and Putin agreed to behind closed doors with no witnesses? I suspect we may find out if it changed minds or not later, but for now stay focused on what's going on NOW! Like MORE indictments!

You or nobody else can say if Russian actions changed minds or not at this point, or if influential Americans, or American organizations colluded with them.

As you said it doesn't matter, because reality is that Trump didn't collude with the Russians but if they wanted to discredit him this is the way to do it and they have succeeded is sowing doubt and no doubt it is payback for attempts to destabilise Russia and various other eastern nations. Your days of interference are over, this is the message

You betting on Vlad and The Dufus huh? No surprise there.

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If you want a new world order things have to change otherwise all you have is the old world order and the great game. Maybe shooting uncle Sam is the way to go then you might be able to bring Vlad in from the cold

Read my lips! Screw Vlad! Screw Kim! Summit Season is over!

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Now what is coming in the centre ring, will it be a high flying act or a bit of lion taming, no! Just more clowns

And the question is did this change people's minds

With The Dufus and his sycophants constantly cheering the Russians to find Clintons Emails and lock her up and all the wikleaks love promotion, NO DOUBT minds were changed or influenced. How many we can't know but for sure it played a huge role in key states, coupled with her own shortcomings she lost but not by much. Hardly a mandate from the people to act a blithering idiot.

As we find out more facts on the extent of Russian meddling, it gets more insidious so the question of did it matter becomes even more stark. You damn skippy it mattered!
No doubt minds were changed and poisoned. Be it FOR The Dufus, or AGAINST Hillary.

were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds?


Yes.

1. Established personal contact with Americans perceived as sympathetic to Moscow;
2. Hacked the Democratic National Committee email servers and then gave the material to WikiLeaks;
3. Amplified the propaganda value of the leaked emails with a disinformation campaign waged predominantly on Facebook and Twitter, in an effort to use automated bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump agitprop;
4. Breached US voting systems in as many as 39 states leading up to the election, in an effort to steal registration data that officials say could be used to
target and manipulate (http://www.businessinsider.com/jeh-johnson-russia-hacking-trump-voter-systems-2017-6)
voters in future elections.


Evidence mounts Russia meddled in US election - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/evidence-russia-meddled-in-us-election-2017-6)

so we went from hacking ;stealing ,colluding ,to trying to influence . That's what a year and half investigation buys us these days . And the Ruskies changed the outcome of the election by sending a clown car of operatives (dubbed the Illegals )like
Anna Chapman ;who actually registered a burner phone to '99 Fake Street' .We're to believe they ran hacks out of Russian offices in the military and secret service without even attempting to disguise the source or ever the key strokes. They did all this agiprop ;hacking infiltration of voting machines on a shoe string budget . Cozy Bear ,Fuzzy Bear ,Guciffer 2 ,all got into an unprotected DNC server and fed information to Wikileaks .Does this even pass the smell test ? Meanwhile what did US intel do about it ? They infiltrated and investigated the Trump campaign ,got very questionable FISA warrants , hired a former Brit spy with Russian contacts to concoct a salacious and unverified dossier to use to get these warrants . Oh but wait ….. the emperor told Putin to "cut it out " . And what did they get out of the DNC server ? Proof that it was Evita's campaign that was rigging the election against her primary opponent .

So why would the Russians want to interfere in the US election ? Could it be American involvement in the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan ...or maybe the release of the Panama papers during Putin's reelection bid ? I'm not a believer in moral equivalence . But we know that American operatives were on the streets when

Viktor Yanukovych was ousted . We know the emperor sent operatives into Israel to try to change the outcome of the Netanyahu win.


Let's assume the Russians really did all this ...are you saying the gullible American yahoos let Russian influence be the deciding factor rather than the growing populist wave that was a reaction to 8 years of the emperor's reign ?

Read the book lest the Dems make the same mistake in 2020 .

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076YZC99L/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Everyone is in deniel, it didn't happen, why would it happen, maybe it happened, it didn't happen the way you say it happened, the Russians did it, I was robbed by the Russians. Do you hear yourselves, grow up

don't worry . in the heartland all they see is an almost 5% economic growth . that will be the deciding issue this year ...not that socialist mantle currently being by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,who really doesn't like socialism as much as a big nanny welfare state funded by capitalism

Let The Dufus's trade war get escalated those farmers in the heartland might need welfare.

Chinese tariffs impact Kansas industries (http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Chinese-tariffs-impact-Kansas-industries-478809533.html)

5%(?) today... gone tomorrow(?)!

Tal don't be negative, many of us would like 5% growth and we know nothing lasts forever. The trade war is a bad idea, a populist idea but China needed to be curbed in the way it operates and convinced that trade shouldn't be one sided. America should be careful not to make an enemy out of China

Any DUFUS besides you and The Dufus knows a trade war and tariffs aren't the way to go. Only another DUFUS would do it not just to China but every trading partner you have? It's stupid, just like his other actions. That's not being negative, but factual.

Didn't I say it was a bad idea, blunt instruments always are. You can't put me in Trump's class, I'm not stupid. You know, Tal, I feel sorry for you, all you can do all day is gripe about Trump.

He is doing what he said he would do, focusing on the folks at home

He is doing what he said he would do, focusing on the folks at home

Yeah, like bringing back the coal jobs, repeal Obamacare, make Mexico pay for the wall, cut taxes (he failed to mention this was mostly for his rich friends), rebuild the infrastructure, and more and more and more making America great again.

My favorite - "I will take care of women. I have great respect for women". Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-hahahahhahha.

Didn't I say it was a bad idea, blunt instruments always are. You can't put me in Trump's class, I'm not stupid. You know, Tal, I feel sorry for you, all you can do all day is gripe about Trump.

He is doing what he said he would do, focusing on the folks at home

No Clete, I only gripe about The Dufus HERE. My life is a bit too busy to worry about him since that "big' tax cut has to be spent. HEHEHE! Yes he is focusing on the folks at home lying to his base. The rest of us are on to his BS, and lies.

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Don't forget the popcorn and soda.

Is the best you can do Michael Moore?

Actually No. I thought you would be amused by the parallels but The Dufus has shown an MO of constant public pronouncements designed to distract, and manipulate the news daily to hide his cluelessness and incompetence, and scandalous behavior, either past, present or future.

Thought you knew that already.

You obviously don't know, Trump has a passive mind, that is a person who must react to any thought that comes by. He obviously takes threats by Kim and the ayatollah personally, heaven only knows what he would do if Ahamadjihad or Saddam were still around. Face to face he takes a more reasoned approach so what is needed is for him to meet the ayatollah

Trump, a treasonous bastard if ever there was one, has now politicized security clearances by threatening to pull them from real, honest-to-God patriots like Clapper, Comey., Rice, McCabe, etc.

Their crime? Exercising their First Amendment rights and speaking the truth about Trump. And being associated with Obama - Trump's nemesis.

He even accuses them of "monetizing" their clearances! A truly amazing statement from the one who takes every penny he can from the Treasury by causing his business pals to stay at his hotels and his weekend golf vacations at his golf courses picking up another few hundred thousand every weekend.

Trump has been in a rage for three days now, running the country by mad, fevered tweets. Shameless, ignorant, evil and cruel.

Clapper admitted that he lied in testimony in hearings in front of the Senate Intel Committee. In fact he bragged about it .
He was asked directly, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?” There was no ambiguity or confusion and Clapper responded, “No, sir. … Not wittingly.” That was a lie and Clapper knew it when he said it. He later said his testimony was the 'least truthful ' statement he could make . Instead of revoking Clapper's security clearance ,the emperor rewarded him by putting him on a panel to review the very program that he had lied about . Roger Clemens was prosecuted for lying to Congress about using steroids . But Clapper got a free pass for lying about domestic surveillance . He should've had his clearance revoked 5 years ago. Comey leaked classified info to the press. He also should get his clearance revoked . I can't speak about Rice or McCabe .

btw
Is John Brennan monetizing his security clearance by divulging secrets to the media ? Once he took a gig in the media his credentials should've been revoked .

What a maroon! He is getting fat and rich off the taxpayers and monetizing his presidency for family and friends, and goes after his enemies and that's everybody who says a word against him or gives him a dirty look and people actually go for that crap while he pees on your head.

He's WORSE than NIXON on a bad day!

What a maroon! He is getting fat and rich off the taxpayers and monetizing his presidency for family and friends, and goes after his enemies and that's everybody who says a word against him or gives him a dirty look and people actually go for that crap while he pees on your head.

He's WORSE than NIXON on a bad day!

I don't know what your problem is, it is the American way, and you are complaining about it as if it were illegal. What it is is you are finally getting some of your own medicine and you don't like it, well join the club

He was asked directly, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?” There was no ambiguity or confusion and Clapper responded, “No, sir. … Not wittingly.”

I misremembered that about Clapper. However, Clapper misremembered a section of the Patriot Act and apologized for it. Roger was the original misrememberer - in fact, he made the word up. Or at least he was the first to use it in public. He was acquitted of lying to Congress, but you're right that he was prosecuted for it.


Comey leaked classified info to the press. He also should get his clearance revoked . I can't speak about Rice or McCabe .

Comey didn't really leak classified info to the press. In fact, he was the one who questioned his own determination to make his memos classified. He wasn't sure. The debate about Comey's classified leaking goes on without any conclusive conclusion.

Revoking his clearance for something he probably didn't do is overkill.


btw
Is John Brennan monetizing his security clearance by divulging secrets to the media ? Once he took a gig in the media his credentials should've been revoked .





What secrets? You sound like Trump - say nonsense without a scintilla of proof.

Why do they still have security clearances when they are long gone from government? What kind of security is that? What organization ever let’s fired employees keep passes? It would seem to me that security passes should be available on a need for basis with different levels of security granted and revoked depending on that need. It's not just
“senior national security and intelligence analyst” for NBC
Brennan . There are talking head "intel experts " all over the news media who profit from their time in the services .Michael Hayden is another one

I can understand people fired for cause losing security clearances, like Comey and McCabe, but most still keep theirs for whatever consulting may come up from government officials, during a transition or crisis. Why lose the benefit of those experiences? Big difference to me than putting together an enemies list and punishing them. Like many things he could have handled things in a more mature fashion, but no... he has to bad mouth everybody too.

Of course this is a bigger deal to The Dufus and sycophants than has ever been before in our history. From the looks of things so far in this administration he should take all the help he can get. What a moronic idiot.

Security clearances should only exist for those who need them, why should these has been's have security clearances? You will want the Russians to have security clearances next

One security clearance that should be pulled immediately is the one Donald Trump has. He has little idea what he's doing other than following Obama and trying to negate his legacy. That is the driving force behind his nutty actions.

Look at Pompeo, an arrogant pig if there ever was one, who couldn't answer the simplest question about Trump at the Senate hearing because Trump purposely keeps him out of the loop. There now is one-man government in the US with Congress being cowed into submission. And that one man is a madman.

Pompeo never answered any questions, just stated the policy didn't change (At least as far as HE knows). No etling what the Dufus and Putin have concocted together, but Putin is sure telling everybody they did.

This "Dancing with the Dufus" administration has to go.

Number one on your wish list, we know

It would solve a lot of problems. The loony right wing would still be loony and blithering though wouldn't you? That will never change but at least you would have the authority to visit your BS on the rest of us.

It would solve a lot of problems. The loony right wing would still be loony and blithering though wouldn't you? That will never change but at least you would have the authority to visit your BS on the rest of us.

I don't know what you are talking about but then nor do you. Tal, very soon you will have an opportunity to test public opinion once again. I know that mid term the public usually fall out of love with the government, but what will you do if they don't deliver a punishing blow?

The same thing I have always done no matter who gets elected to what office... my own thing.

Hope it is not trying to get Hilliary elected

That's your concern from across the ponds? Two years and you loony right wingers still worry about Hillary? If she were president no doubt there would be heads still exploding and even MORE investigations abound, but come on Clete, shouldn't you reserve your hope with the lights staying on, or the roos migrating to Asia.

Or the price of dirt?

She won't run. She's trying to be a kingmaker . You see her lately ? What medical device is she hiding under the tents she wears these days ?

More important Tom is the hacking attempts by the Russian operatives on the 2018 midterm elections. This after the Dufus soiled himself in Helsinki, and tweeting just this week how Vlad may HELP the Dems after he has come down so hard on him!

Sheeez! He is so full of himself. Repubs should impeach the fool forthwith.

More important Tom is the hacking attempts by the Russian operatives on the 2018 midterm elections. This after the Dufus soiled himself in Helsinki, and tweeting just this week how Vlad may HELP the Dems after he has come down so hard on him!

Sheeez! He is so full of himself. Repubs should impeach the fool forthwith.

I hear she will be coming round the mountain playing

maybe we'll hear the recording of the Helsinki summit when the Chinese release the content of their hack

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/07/chinese-hackers-targeted-internet-things-during-trump-putin-summit/149873/

Or Putin will let us know.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-continues-to-shape-narrative-of-helsinki-summit/2018/07/20/3ea54a98-8c40-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html?utm_term=.3bfbcdbe246b

You could hope he will tell you, but it is more likely Trump will tell you something along the lines of fake news, more fake news, or fake news again. I think he has made sufficient mistakes to wind up with a hostile Congress and you may get your wish, Just 100 days, eh? or perhaps he will antagonise everyone with a shutdown

The vote in 2018 will be decided by the NeverHillary voters (voted for Obama and Trump).Trump best Evita by 17% in this group. 20% of them said they did not like Trump ,but voted for him anyway because they liked Evita less. She is not on the ballot and the smart play by the Dems is to throw her under the bus. BUT they are making a mistake by drifting so far lefty progressive. That may work for them in the Dem primaries .But if the local Repub candidate is mainstream and the Dem candidate a
Ocasio-Cortez like socialist ;then not only will the Dems not gain seats ;they will lose them .

On that other hand you might get a mid term flush

I think it will be about local turnout. Dems have been notorious for not voting in mid terms, especially young people. Repubs always vote. Socialist Bernie is pretty popular, and The Dufus said he will be a very active in the campaign, a thing he jumped all over Obama for. Nothing new there. Righties hate the idea of socialism, but progressives can embrace it because AMERICAN socialism is based in equality and opportunity and FAIRNESS as opposed to the Soviet example that The Dufus embodies.

The deciding factor though is NO electoral college to worry about in the mid terms despite the economy so those midwestern races will be interesting. I imagine a lot of Walmart workers who didn't get those big bonuses, or huge tax cuts might not be as grateful to The Dufus, or repubs. I see a lot more lies coming from the Dufus in the coming months.

That's what he does. I guess nothing new there either, except Hillary is not running, but I doubt that changes anything for the right. Then we have the wildcard. Will VLAD get in this one too?

He already is making trouble.

AMERICAN socialism is based in equality and opportunity and FAIRNESS

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Good one Tom

Today the Manafort trial begins . I believe Mueller has banked all on flipping Manafort . So far he hasn't given Mueller what he wants or Manafort would not be spending his time in solitary .

So a kangaroo court then

He is an international criminal gaming the system for many decades. I expect them to have a vast amount of bank records, and documents, and witnesses to his crimes. LOL, he could have been free on house arrest if he had left the witnesses against him alone. They squealed on him! This will be played by the book, as will his SECOND trial.

If that's a kangaroo trial, then you better explain how when you use such abroad term. What you think he is being railroaded, Clete?

I Think Mueller is conducting a star chamber

I Think Mueller is conducting a star chamber

Another random statement bereft of facts Clete?

the fact that Podesta has immunity for committing the same crime says all.

How do you know that in fact Podesta committed the same crime? Manafort is on trial for bank fraud and tax evasion. Not saying Podesta isn't guilty of SOMETHING, just not the same something. FARA violations vs bank and tax fraud? Not the same thing.

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Today the Manafort trial begins . I believe Mueller has banked all on flipping Manafort . So far he hasn't given Mueller what he wants or Manafort would not be spending his time in solitary .


Trump is bracing for his painful Cohenoscopy.

The reports that Podesta was offered immunity were incorrect. Mueller handed the Podesta case over to NY prosecutors yesterday .

So clearing the decks

The reports that Podesta was offered immunity were incorrect. Mueller handed the Podesta case over to NY prosecutors yesterday .

Lots of wild stuff out there for sure but this was reported last week.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-now-investigating-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776

The recent Russian military personnel indictment does mention witting and unwitting American co conspirators. We'll see what happens but this is the latest:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/01/tony-podesta-under-investigation-following-special-counsel-referral.html


Trump is bracing for his painful Cohenoscopy.

If he recovers from his Manafortectomy.


So clearing the decks

Meuller appears to be looking at everything.

Meuller appears to be looking at everything.

Don't you mean looking for anything

A difference without a distinction and I approve.

You approve of witch hunts and burning at the stake, that is obvious

Your need to parrot the Dufus line is also very obvious since you got NOTHING useful. Okay I'll play it's a witch hunt and the beetch will get burned at the stake. I guess you are again correct. He deserves to get burn't don't you think?

Your need to parrot the Dufus line is also very obvious since you got NOTHING useful. Okay I'll play it's a witch hunt and the beetch will get burned at the stake. I guess you are again correct. He deserves to get burn't don't you think?

Quite probably but for different reasons, but you see that your country could elect him as leader says a lot. You think he is a dufus, how many do you think there are over there?

Obviously there seems to be more than I dare admit.

Hmmmm! On this we can agree once again

Well the loonies are at it again, they have officially unleashed The Q Anon phenom. A loyal Dufus sycophant nut job has joined the fight against the deep state threat and the fake news media.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/an-objective-analysis-of-the-qanon-phenomenon/

Of course you wouldn't know anything about Loonies Clete since you have stamped the fringers out in Australia.

Of course you wouldn't know anything about Loonies Clete since you have stamped the fringers out in Australia.

Well I wish that were true Tal, but we seem to have them contained to the political wilderness. Our preselection processes seem to keep them out of the major parties and giving some where else to go means we hear from them now and again, but they can't grab much media air. The preferential voting system means that even if they gain some support the possibility of them being elected is slim. Of course, every now an again someone with kangaroos loose in the top paddock is detected, such as dear ole Barnaby Joyce, you remember him from the Depp dogs affair and the brilliant flame out after being found to be a kiwi and inseminating a staff member

The Dufus let the dogs out when he announced he was running for office and has to keep them fed constantly least they turn on him and devour his a$$. Hope they televise it.

today the US announced sanctions against a Russian bank for helping the NORKS . Is this part of the collusion conspiracy ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/trump-administration-sanctions-russian-bank-for-north-korea-ties.html

It also revealed bipartisan largess. One 2014 email presented in court on Tuesday showed the Democratic consultant Thomas A. Devine proposing a “day rate” of $10,000 to do work in Ukraine on behalf of Mr. Yanukovych, the Russia-aligned former president who was a longtime client of Mr. Manafort.“You would need to make the travel arrangements, and transfer the $50G before the trip,” he wrote to Rick Gates, Mr. Manafort’s partner for the Ukraine work. “If you want me to come on Monday and leave Thursday it would be $40G.”Mr. Devine, who is known as Tad, went on to become the chief strategist for the presidential campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/us/politics/fara-foreign-agents-mueller.html


[Devine] repeatedly echoed the Sanders message that “our economy is rigged,” that “special interests” buy politicians, that “all of the new wealth is going to the top of America,” that there is a “corrupt system of campaign finance” of which Hillary Clinton offered an “egregious” example. Sanders, by contrast, “supported the little guy.”Those who heard Devine’s interviews and watched his Sanders TV ads therefore may be surprised to know that, in the years and months leading up to the Sanders presidential campaign, Devine was making gobs of money to secure the election of one of the world’s most corrupt political figures and then his allies…Devine produced a memo of advice for Yanukovych’s party in 2012, even though by then Yanukovych had thrown the leading opposition politician in jail (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as-ukraine-turns-to-russia-yulia-tymoshenko-stays-in-prison/2013/11/26/998d8be6-545a-11e3-9ee6-2580086d8254_story.html?utm_term=.0aff6ff53844) and had built a $100 million mansion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/02/22/to-get-why-so-many-people-hate-viktor-yanukovych-take-a-tour-of-his-ridiculously-luxurious-mansion/?utm_term=.f7c15f4c568e) — complete with zoo, helipad, golf course and replica galleon on an artificial lake — while his people were, in Devine’s own words, struggling with “joblessness, hunger and the general despair.

”https://www.vnews.com/Column-The-deep-cynicism-of-Bernie-Sanders--chief-strategist-19253316

You think there is no pressure on the Dufus to sanction Vlad and his cronies? What do you think will happens if he doesn't? Announcements mean nothing, lets wait and see how long it takes to implement those sanctions, or have you forgotten other sanctions he has slow walked, or no walked. He has no choice but to talk tough against Vlad, so his sycophants don't stray to far. No Tom that's not rain, The Dufus is peeing on our heads again.

Well of course he is you have lain down in the dew. You see you must allow those who you elect the latitude to conduct public policy. There are words that are spoken for domestic consumption and there are words spoken for foreign consumption, unfortunately Trump doesn't know the difference and so he speaks directly to foreign leaders in a loud voice. You have never heard that you catch more flies with honey

Or a hot steamy pile of crap! Flies love sh1t!

You think there is no pressure on the Dufus to sanction Vlad and his cronies? What do you think will happens if he doesn't?

The facts are that he has sanctioned and taken more provocative moves against Russia than the emperor ever dreamed of .
It’s hard to find a single aspect of foreign affairs where the Trump administration has made a decision or taken an action that favored Putin and Russia.In Syria we have inflicted casualties on Russians .We are trying to get NATO to increase defense spending . Our enegy polices are putting a major hurt on the Russian economy . Under Trump we have expelled diplomats and seized Russian diplomatic and trade sites . We have troops on the Russian border in 2 European nations and have deployed defensive missiles in Poland and conduct war games in the Baltic nations .


The left cracks me up ! This hawkishness against Russia is a 'johnny come lately' move by the Dems .Where was your anti-Russia movement when the left was all over the streets protesting the deployment of Pershing II ? Where was the left's outrage when Teddy Kennedy colluded with the Russians to influence the election of 1984 ?

I'll go even sooner . The Dems who now support the Magnitsky Act originally opposed it because they feared it would interfere with their precious reset . The emperor tried to get the Jackson-Vanik amendment repealed , a law tying enhanced trade relations with Russia to its human rights record. Both Evita and JFKerry vigorously oppsed the Magninsky act.


Throughout his two terms in office, Obama played down the threat Russia posed to America’s allies, interests and values, and ridiculed those who warned otherwise. “The traditional divisions between nations of the south and the north make no sense in an interconnected world nor do alignments of nations rooted in the cleavages of a long-gone Cold War,” (Obama 2009) .The emperor even downplayed the invasion of Crimea .When asked by a reporter ,
just a few weeks after the annexation was formalized, , if Romney’s statement about Russia being our main geopolitical threat had been proven correct, Obama dismissed Russia as “a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors not out of strength but out of weakness.”

So excuse me if I don't take an this sudden neo-hawkish stand against Russia by the Dems seriously . If the emperor was still in power they would be going along with his wet noodle spineless response to Russian provocations . The most we would hear is the emperor telling us he told Russia to "cut it out " .

You do know Obama may have been right, Russia may not actually be your enemy, just your competitor as Trump says. You should keep a closer eye on China, they represent a greater threat as they expand

They both are protecting Kim, and they both seek expansion. They are all closed societies looking for the money not for their people but for enrichment of their dictators and ruling class.

And that is what The Dufus wants most of all, a seat at the top of the heap! Only one of those 4 nimrods can be booted out on his arse very quickly though!

I always have my eye on China. Trump is only right in that we have some common interest with Russia that the democrats are clearly blind about .

We are not blind to Russia or China Tom, though you make it seems so, rather we recognize engagement as a vital part of dealing with DICTATORS, TYRANTS and foreign crime bosses as a better option than full scale invasion to bring about regime change. The dollar is the big stick as well as the NUKES!

Your lying cheating dufus big mouth bully would well benefit from choosing his battles more discreetly, least he be caught out on the limb alone with his drawers down around his ankles, and deservedly so.

Much as you want Trump to fail, it is in your interests that he succeed for he is the leader of the moment and failure is not an option

Much as you want Trump to fail, it is in your interests that he succeed for he is the leader of the moment and failure is not an option
But that's all he's been doing -- failing!

But that's all he's been doing -- failing!

Well, when your internal policies are dismantling, I can't see how you can mark him fail, he is advancing his agenda. However, in foreign policy there is a mixed bag and the conclusion I draw is the policy is confrontation and on that front he is also advancing

He and his Swamp Creatures are dismantling policies that serve us and keep us safe.

Maybe, but there are always two or more ways of looking at things. Not everything a government does serves the whole population and reducing onerous impositions is also the purpose of government as is imposing other impositions

Maybe, but there are always two or more ways of looking at things. Not everything a government does serves the whole population and reducing onerous impositions is also the purpose of government as is imposing other impositions
Yep, two ways of looking at things -- the rich guys' way vs the rest of us.

Always, it was ever so

He and his Swamp Creatures are dismantling policies that serve us and keep us safe
it is your conclusion that they keep us safe . I think his best achievement to date is the dismantling of costly regulations that serve little or no purpose . He should also look at regulations being enacted by the bureaucracy currently . Yes indeed the swamp creatures still populate the regulatory state . Take this idiotic regulation the FDA is going to enforce about calling soy ,almond or any other non-dairy substitute "milk" .All our lives people who have purchased soy ,almond, coconut milk have known that they were not purchasing dairy milk . Yet the dairy industry successfully lobbied the FDA to make a regulatory ruling that branding those products as "milk" violates some kind of truth in labeling rules . It is a joke that is going to cost the taxpayers in this country $$$$$$$$$$ in enforcement and will burden the makers of these products to change their labeling needlessly . It's cr@p like that that has to be carved out of government one reg at a time. Now some loon may thing the impetus for this is for consumer safety .But we know the real reason behind this .Our country is notorious for making law and never reviewing the effectiveness, or the consequences of the results, or the REAL reasons the decisions were made . Don't believe me ? Ask Al Gore the truth behind ethanol regs .


“One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethanol-gore/u-s-corn-ethanol-was-not-a-good-policy-gore-idUSTRE6AL3CN20101122

Well of course there should be truth in labelling, milk is an animal product, that other stuff is something else, juice? Extract?

it is your conclusion that they keep us safe . I think his best achievement to date is the dismantling of costly regulations that serve little or no purpose . He should also look at regulations being enacted by the bureaucracy currently . Yes indeed the swamp creatures still populate the regulatory state . Take this idiotic regulation the FDA is going to enforce about calling soy ,almond or any other non-dairy substitute "milk" .All our lives people who have purchased soy ,almond, coconut milk have known that they were not purchasing dairy milk . Yet the dairy industry successfully lobbied the FDA to make a regulatory ruling that branding those products as "milk" violates some kind of truth in labeling rules . It is a joke that is going to cost the taxpayers in this country $$$$$$$$$$ in enforcement and will burden the makers of these products to change their labeling needlessly . It's cr@p like that that has to be carved out of government one reg at a time. Now some loon may thing the impetus for this is for consumer safety .But we know the real reason behind this .Our country is notorious for making law and never reviewing the effectiveness, or the consequences of the results, or the REAL reasons the decisions were made . Don't believe me ? Ask Al Gore the truth behind ethanol regs .

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethanol-gore/u-s-corn-ethanol-was-not-a-good-policy-gore-idUSTRE6AL3CN20101122

The Dufus scrubbing regulations often reveal what an idiot he is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/business/dealbook/trump-expected-to-seek-deep-cuts-in-business-regulations.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/business/white-house-increases-overtime-eligibility-by-millions.html

Yes it might be more profitable relaxing emission standards, but is it wise for the communities they affect being legally allowed to spew more poison? Maybe the classification of diary is a big deal but I think clean air, water, and land is a bigger one. So lets not confuse regulation that make sense with ones that make more profit but cause more problems for us.

Maybe the classification of diary is a big deal but I think clean air, water, and land is a bigger one. So lets not confuse regulation that make sense with ones that make more profit but cause more problems for us.


That's the point that I think both sides can agree on. Or at least discuss to a compromise. There are regulations, and then there are regulations. I happen to think the almond milk thing is ridiculous and that it is a textbook case of corrupt lobbying. Regulations supporting clean air and water, it seems to me, should be agreed to by all.

But the problem is deeper. What it's REALLY about is who pays for what regulation. Citizen's United, anyone?

Lobbying is big business and big bucks. (And big donations and contributions for elected officials). Just ask the NRA. Yeah repeal Citizens United as the first step.

Yeah because consumers are inherently stupid I guess . Like I said NOBODY buys almond milk and thinks they are buying dairy . Coconut milk has been called coconut milk since it was discovered . But I guess in the nannystate world everything has to be spelled out in big bold letters in crayon.

Yes Tom the stupid must be protected

They don't have to be stupid... just unaware. If you read a label it should be accurate, but wingers always make it about regulations when its about special interest. Both sides do it but doesn't make it right, just profitable.

make sure you wear your government diaper . geeze God save us from the busy body government . I'll say it again NOBODY buys almond milk and thinks they are buying dairy

make sure you wear your government diaper . geeze God save us from the busy body government . I'll say it again NOBODY buys almond milk and thinks they are buying dairy

Give me that again, what is your constitution but busy body government. People had to be told how to behave, isn't that's what it is about? You can't have it both ways, Tom. Once you put the train in motion, the outcome is inevitable, there will be a train wreck sometime

Give me that again, what is your constitution but busy body government. People had to be told how to behave, isn't that's what it is about? You can't have it both ways, Tom. Once you put the train in motion, the outcome is inevitable, there will be a train wreck sometime

Our train has been in motion, and so has your version, long enough to know that while there are many things allowed, there are boundaries within the LAW. While you speculate outcomes Clete, there remains many possibilities and choices to make and we do that every two years with our vote. Sure we have a train wreck now with The Dufus, but like all train wrecks it to will eventually be cleared and the train can continue.

Your own government works the same way though less population or diversity of though or consideration. Like us, you have those that endeavor to keep it that way, but here they have a losing battle, even though they haven't been put away permanently. For all the noise they are Americans too, and have RIGHTS.

I suspect you are on the track for the same outcome no matter how more civilized you may think your society is over mine.

Obama was and will always be the DUFUS... the man who made Jimmy Carters mess look good. Nobody has managed to do what Trump did for the economy.

Hello Smoothy, your back with your usual broad blanket derogatory statements of non fact. I must admit how much fun I am having using that style blasting the Dufus even though I have FACT on my side which makes it even more fun.

For example, a deficit funded tax bill for rich guys, and a tariff driven war that hurts Americans more than those tax cuts help, and all that after Obama left him with a growing economy that repubs never leave their democratic successors. Hey man those farmers in Iowa, and factory workers in South Carolina are catching all kinds of hell because of The Dufus. Maybe they can join the new Space Force, or hire out as bagmen for Vlad the REAL president of the US. Oh wait my bad, he is just going to visit the White House, not move in.

I heard Kim was looking for janitors in his New North Korea beachfront condos, and burger flippers for his McDonald franchise to open in the US Embassy there. Or was that China helping Trump build hotels in Asia. Even heard they didn't mind if The Dufus raises the rent on Trump Towers and Mara Largo as long as the golf carts are still half price.

You think I ain't enjoying this? Everyday a new scandal.

You think I ain't enjoying this? Everyday a new scandal.


So Tal does that make you a scandal monger, by the way Trump needs a space force to look after the space in his head

Just by commenting on his scandals? Naw I ain't no monger, but how do you ignore his scandals. Mostly his peeps getting caught with their hand in the til. That space force crap sounds like King Reagans star wars idea.

Just by commenting on his scandals? Naw I ain't no monger, but how do you ignore his scandals. Mostly his peeps getting caught with their hand in the til. That space force crap sounds like King Reagans star wars idea.

You already have a space force, so you recycle elements of the air force and NASA and call it a new initiative, just standard politicin'. I don't ignore his scandals, but please, can we talk about what he does today, not what he did long ago. None of us, I'm sure, can stand close scrutiny of everything we have done. Trump obviously has dubious friends, what real estate developer doesn't, he has international reach, so he is going to have history in various places, and interests which will emerge later.

I would like to see focus on his policies and how well he is doing in implementation, but with obstructive politicians some things don't get done, it is a matter of negotiation

Under our constitution, the congress is an EQUAL part of the government with the executive and judicial branches. Neither of those two should be lining up to rubber stamp the presidents agenda especially with this conniving wacko in the white house. His cabinet has shown they are corrupt, and his rich elite he has enriched have his ear for policies that benefit them. Don't take my word for it of course but I have LINKS

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-mar-lago-cronies-secretly-shaped-veterans-affairs-policy-report-1062461

Same with this space force crap and the Mueller witch hunt he want's desperately to end. He's not even on the ballot in the fall but he sets deadlines that meet his needs... to go away quickly and keep his son out of jail and possibly him too. Naw he wants you to look everywhere but directly at him because like all criminals there is a money trail of wrong doing that leads directly to him.

Under our constitution, the congress is an EQUAL part of the government with the executive and judicial branches. Neither of those two should be lining up to rubber stamp the presidents agenda especially with this conniving wacko in the white house. His cabinet has shown they are corrupt, and his rich elite he has enriched have his ear for policies that benefit them. Don't take my word for it of course but I have LINKS

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-mar-lago-cronies-secretly-shaped-veterans-affairs-policy-report-1062461

Same with this space force crap and the Mueller witch hunt he want's desperately to end. He's not even on the ballot in the fall but he sets deadlines that meet his needs... to go away quickly and keep his son out of jail and possibly him too. Naw he wants you to look everywhere but directly at him because like all criminals there is a money trail of wrong doing that leads directly to him.

You want to prosecute him for the money trail, what money trail? You are just projecting again

If he gets prosecuted it will be for crimes he has committed, just like the rest of his circle. Doesn't matter what The Dufus Trumpers are hollering about... they're loony.

You want him prosecuted for paying off a call girl

Trump thinks he's getting Captain Kirk. What the space force will be is the geek squad in pajamas . We do not need a new military branch . Clete is right that the Air Force and NASA (which hasn't had a mission in years except publishing faulty scientific predetermined conclusions about AGW . ) Any $$$ considered for this should be devoted to having an American based platform for getting out of the atmosphere . It is scandalous that we have to rely on the Russian to send humans to ISS .

You want him prosecuted for paying off a call girl

That remains to be seen, after the investigation. Or pending lawsuit by her, on hold because of the investigation. What you think that that's the only investigation or lawsuit against The Dufus? THEY weren't call girls, a playboy bunny and a porn star is what they ARE.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-named-more-50-lawsuits-inauguration-n716191

AND THE BIGGIE,

https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-judge-ruled-against-trump-in-emoluments-clause-lawsuit-2018-7


Trump thinks he's getting Captain Kirk. What the space force will be is the geek squad in pajamas . We do not need a new military branch . Clete is right that the Air Force and NASA (which hasn't had a mission in years except publishing faulty scientific predetermined conclusions about AGW . ) Any $$$ considered for this should be devoted to having an American based platform for getting out of the atmosphere . It is scandalous that we have to rely on the Russian to send humans to ISS .

You're right it's a cockamamy idea, but AGW is not.

Trump thinks he's getting Captain Kirk. What the space force will be is the geek squad in pajamas . We do not need a new military branch . Clete is right that the Air Force and NASA (which hasn't had a mission in years except publishing faulty scientific predetermined conclusions about AGW . ) Any $$$ considered for this should be devoted to having an American based platform for getting out of the atmosphere . It is scandalous that we have to rely on the Russian to send humans to ISS .

Going into space won't help us solve AGW if it exists and colonising Mars or any other place will not reduce the threat of a stray meteor or comet. We have bigger problems to get to grip with right here, right now and over population is one of them.

Tom you think the american psyche is damaged by cooperating with the Russians. It is a great pity that cooperation couldn't be expanded instead of the petty snivelling diplomacy you do conduct. Trump was right when he said he wanted the relationship to improve. You need to see the big picture

I ignore his pie in the sky proclamations as another distraction for the media to waste air time on. Of course the Dufus doesn't want them talking about trails and investigations or corruption, or RUSSIAN activity in the cyberwar, or deficits and the lack of infrastructure during his great economy, or the tariffs that may sabotage it, or the skin head march today in DC while he sits in Jersey. Lies, lies, and more lies has been his MO since he came on the scene, and throwing red meat and spewing hate is how he governs.

Vlad loves it all, because no matter what the truth is, him and the Dufus are colluding for their own purpose. They already have a great relationship, no matter what anyone else thinks about it. WHY?

Tal, the media, not Trump is the problem. The disinformation machine is in full flight. They love the trials and the scandals. Everything is exaggerated. You hate Vlad because he isn't subject to them

Trails and scandals are sensational, great for ratings and real news may seem dull, but I don't hate Vlad, he is just a dictator and thugs, and its not fake news he kills his enemies and rules with an iron fist. I don't hate The Dufus believe it or not, but abhor his policies, style, behavior, and governence. I do hate bullies. Neither helps their people just themselves. In some areas we have cooperation, in many we have conflicts. It is what it is.

We see what happens.

Tal, the media, not Trump is the problem. The disinformation machine is in full flight. They love the trials and the scandals. Everything is exaggerated. You hate Vlad because he isn't subject to them

COLLUSION !!!!!!


https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/11/media/boston-globe-free-press-editorial/index.html

The Dufus is the ultimate disinformation machine. Has been since he rode the elevator down at his announcement. His lies and antics are actually his claim to fame. His base eats it up and repeats his lies. Sorry to disagree with you on this, but his whole administration is corrupt that starts at the top. The feckless republican congress has done nothing to check the executive but has facilitated his lies to some dangerous eves. You can blame the lame stream media for many things but exposing the lies of this white house isn't one of them. Justice would be the American people telling him "YOU'RE FIRED!".

These quotes from Trump's book, The Art of the Deal, are noteworthy, especially #6:

6. On exaggeration: "The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion."

https://www.axios.com/how-9-art-of-the-deal-quotes-explain-the-trump-presidency-1513300122-183eaed4-4c48-4527-a7ed-c57dd143865a.html

You don't listen to Trump why quote him

You don't listen to Trump why quote him
Oh, I listen to him and all his bluster. I want to hear it coming straight out of his mouth.

Oh, I listen to him and all his bluster. I want to hear it coming straight out of his mouth.

Why? Why would you want to listen to the crap he spouts?

Why? Why would you want to listen to the crap he spouts?
So I hear what he actually says and then, when I read liberal and conservative pov, can intelligently decide who is telling the truth.

so i hear what he actually says and then, when i read liberal and conservative pov, can intelligently decide who is telling the truth.


Bingo !!

It's a no brainer! Listen to what he says, KNOW he is lying, will cheat you, and COVER YOUR A$$! No spin from either side is needed.

Yes, we know he is lying, he is a politician, it is what they do, all of them

That's exactly why I keep MY a$$ covered and strive to survive and thrive. I hope everybody does.