This is what Teresa May said in the wake of the latest London terror attack, and she is right. For years I have said muslims represent a fifth column in western society and where are the deniels of Muslim complicity. There are none because the muslim community know who the hate preachers are, but they don't denounce them, they know who the radicalised are, they know who the ones who have joined the jihadists are, but they don't denounce them. Every mosque and prayer hall are a potential hot bed of jihadism, it doesn't take much to turn an impressional head

I just finished reading her speech. This is my thought .........

"They are bound together by the single evil ideology of Islamist extremism ";" we cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed";"we need to deprive the extremists of their safe spaces ".

Nice to hear another western leader say such things. Too bad she spends too much time saying the ususal pc boilerplate comments and solutions that would require regulating the internet ,and thought. She speaks of defending western values . She has to be careful about which western values she would herself destroy.

"They are bound together by the single evil ideology of Islamist extremism ";" we cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed";"we need to deprive the extremists of their safe spaces "

Isn't that what I have been saying Tom? But political speeches from candidates facing an immediate election and reality are two different things. I can't see Mrs. May mobilising the military in the manner that must be done. The brits are in a war, being attacked by an enemy within, and there is only one way to deal with this, round up all people on watch lists, recent arrivals from islamic countries or recent islamic arrivals and then start to dig down to find the cells in the mosques. It goes against the nature of western society but profiling is needed

I don't disagree . I expect that if we were being attacked with the frequency that Europe is ;the left here would have a different view of Trump's travel restrictions .

It has to be more than travel restrictions Tom, it has to be a search for those who don't hold our values,

I don't disagree . I expect that if we were being attacked with the frequency that Europe is ;the left here would have a different view of Trump's travel restrictions .
Is Europe being attacked by people who have come into the country as visitors or immigrants from the Middle East?

It is being attacked by muslims, it doesn't matter how they got there, it matters that they are there and apparently have a degree of freedom of movement. The nations of Europe have to push these people out and some have begun the process and what is paramount is protection of the population from attack, not protection of the "immigrants" who come with bogus claims of being refugees. My country inters all who come illegally and it is an effective methodology, but it doesn't stop attacks from those who have been here for years, fermenting their plots, their attacks would have been thwarted if they had been rounded up.

Preemptive measures are necessary, the citizens of the country have rights

It is being attacked by muslims, it doesn't matter how they got there, it matters that they are there...
Are they visitors? first-generation citizens? second-generation citizens?

I don't consider those attackers Muslim. They are incorrectly painting their motives and activities with a religion's brush.

Are they visitors? first-generation citizens? second-generation citizens?

I don't consider those attackers Muslim. They are incorrectly painting their motives and activities with a religion's brush.

Don't be niaive the "religion" contains the seeds of their radical beliefs, these are a primitive people, who hold no respect for those outside their religion. When did you hear a muslim denounce a fellow muslim for their beliefs and actions?

Don't be niaive the "religion" contains the seeds of their radical beliefs, these are a primitive people, who hold no respect for those outside their religion. When did you hear a muslim denounce a fellow muslim for their beliefs and actions?
I'm not naïve, not after nearly 30 years of being very active in communities that number Muslims among their populations. And yes, Muslims denounce those who use that faith to hate and kill.

From Haaretz, "It's not Islam that drives young Europeans to Jihad..." by Davide Lerner, 04/06/17:

With little if any understanding of religion or Islamic culture, young people ... turn to terrorism out of a “suicidal instinct” and “a fascination for death,” Roy says. This key element is exemplified by the jihadi slogan first coined by Osama bin Laden: "We love death like you love life.”

“It’s the Islamification of radicalism that we need to investigate, not the radicalization of Islam,” Dr. Olivier Roy says, begging the question of why radical youths would choose violent fundamentalist Islam over other destructive creeds to engage in terrorism.

These “new radicals” embrace the Islamic State’s narrative as it’s the only radical narrative available in the “global market of fundamentalist ideologies,” Roy says. “In the past they would have been drawn, for example, to far-left political extremism.” Half of violent jihadis in France, Germany and the United States also have criminal records for petty crime, [who appear to] have been radicalized without the involvement of the local mosque or religious community, an element that mirrors patterns in the rest of Europe.

Must be where you live, they don't do it here

Must be where you live, they don't do it here
Do you actually know any Muslims well enough to have a friendly conversation with?

Not recently, they exist in the district but don't interact, my problem is with militants and those who hide them

Not recently, they exist in the district but don't interact, my problem is with militants and those who hide them
And what percentage is that of the whole population? My research says about only 2% Muslim population.

And what percentage is that of the whole population? My research says about only 2% Muslim population.

Yes, that was probably right in the last census (2011), however they are very concentrated in some places where they have taken over whole suburbs. Where I live you see them in the streets and malls even though we are far from population centres. We have about equal populations of muslims and buddhists but we never hear of buddhists involved in anti-social activities, but observing the name of offenders, muslims feature often. We are just dealing now with the latest act of islamist terrorism

Is Europe being attacked by people who have come into the country as visitors or immigrants from the Middle East? Does it matter ? Many of the attackers are born of immigrant parents ,and have recently traveled to countries that would be on Trump's watch list . Go to most Paris suburbs and you find the sons of Islamic immigrants who are as radicalized as they come. What difference is it if it's 1st or 2nd generation ? Mordred has been invited into Camelot to take it out from within .

The Times of London reported that there are around 23,000 'jihadist extremists ' living in England . That is more than they can track . Their resources are being stretched to the point that they had to cancel the Changing of the Guard ceremony so the police that guard that can be redeployed . Now the Bobby is on war footing .
So now ,instead of taking the fight to them ;Western Leaders like Theresa May opt to taking measures that restrict the innocent's freedoms '.... like regulation of the internet . The loss of the will to fight precedes the loss of resources to use in the fight . It is so sad to see that the nation that fought so hard for it's existence in 1940-44 is surrendering so meekly to an ideology that is very much the equal of what they fought against . They are the canary in the coal mine. They are us 20 years from now if we don't wake up.

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Not recently, they exist in the district but don't interact, my problem is with militants and those who hide them



And what percentage is that of the whole population? My research says about only 2% Muslim population.





2% of 2 billion =400,000,000

"Europe and America are different. America not only has a more inclusive national identity than Europe and a stronger tradition of assimilating diverse groups of immigrants, it has greater protection for religion practice, more practice with religious diversity, and its citizens are more religious than Europeans. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute also points to important policy differences between the United States and Europe, which afford the U.S. an advantage in integrating Muslims."
https://niskanencenter.org/blog/muslim-immigrants-assimilate/

If we were experiencing attacks at the rate that Europe is ,this whole country would be singing a different tune.

Bottom line is that it it REASONABLE to have a temporary travel ban from the nations that have been identified ....not by Trump ;but by the Obama Administration ,...until such a time that a proper vetting process can be put in place. They are nations with failed governments or hostile governments .

Of course herr Donald opened his pie hole yesterday and undermined his cause and threw his AG under the bus in the process . Still it is reasonable to take such precautions . Some of the attackers in the last 2 weeks returned to England from Libya .

Tom your numbers are a bit off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe


In the late 20th and early 21st centuries substantial numbers of non-native Muslims immigrated to Western Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Europe#Immigration_from_outside_Eur ope_since_the_1980s). By 2010 an estimated 44 million Muslims were living in Europe (6%), including an estimated 19 million in the EU (3.8%).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe#cite_note-4) They are projected to comprise 8% by 2030. They are often the subject of intense discussion and political campaigns. These have been periodically revived by events such as terrorist attacks by extremist Islamists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism), the cartoons affair in Denmark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy), debates over Islamic dress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_dress), elevated crime rates amongst Islamic minorities and ongoing support for populist radical right parties (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_right_(Europe)) that view Muslims as a threat to European values and ways of life. Such events have also fueled growing debate on Islamophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia), attitudes toward Muslims and the populist radical right.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe#cite_note-5)

I have no comment on Clete's hate spewn ignorant rant!

until such a time that a proper vetting process can be put in place.
We DO have a two+-year vetting process in place. We need a more stringent one? Why?

Bottom line is that it it REASONABLE to have a temporary travel ban from the nations that have been identified ....not by Trump ;but by the Obama Administration ,...until such a time that a proper vetting process can be put in place. They are nations with failed governments or hostile governments .

Of course herr Donald opened his pie hole yesterday and undermined his cause and threw his AG under the bus in the process . Still it is reasonable to take such precautions . Some of the attackers in the last 2 weeks returned to England from Libya .

Nothing Trump has done is remotely reasonable, not even when he has copied his predecessor's policy. I bet he hasn't even worked out a plan to EXTREMELY VET anybody from anywhere. It's all talk and bluster for his base.


If we were experiencing attacks at the rate that Europe is ,this whole country would be singing a different tune.


Yeah drive by's and hate crimes against minorities don't count as terrorism.

Nothing Trump has done is remotely reasonable, not even when he has copied his predecessor's policy. I bet he hasn't even worked out a plan to EXTREMELY VET anybody from anywhere. It's all talk and bluster for his base.


Trump is again proving himself to be a complete moron. The most basic of management tasks - hiring replacements - is beyond his ken. He can't even do that. His WH/Presidency is crashing because of this simple mismanagement. And he's supposed to be this great businessman. He's a great con man is what he is.

Stupid today blamed the Dems for the lack of approval of his appointees in the Senate. THE SENATE IS CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS !!!

How much longer ??

Until his base of supporters is eroded, or the congress changes I am afraid the SHOW goes on for a few years anyway.

Think fall 2018...

The good news, late night comedy has never been better!!

If we were experiencing attacks at the rate that Europe is ,this whole country would be singing a different tune.

Bottom line is that it it REASONABLE to have a temporary travel ban from the nations that have been identified ....not by Trump ;but by the Obama Administration ,...until such a time that a proper vetting process can be put in place. They are nations with failed governments or hostile governments .


until such a time that a proper vetting process can be put in place

Let me emphasize that, which points out the fallacy of your post. The first EO was issued in February. More than 90 days have past. The court issued stays blocked the travel restrictions. They did NOT block the development of better vetting procedures. So those procedures could have an should have been developed by now. In fact Trump recently tweeted that "extreme vetting" WAS in place. Thereby making the temporary suspensions requested in the EOs moot and superfluous.

I will also point out that in the ensuing months since the first EO there have been NO terrorists attacks performed by Muslims on US soil, extremists or otherwise. In fact there have been no attacks by foreign nationals since 9/11. So I'm not sure what "proper" vetting process was needed since whatever we have doing seems to be working.

It just points out the truth that Trump's xenphobia wants to just ban Muslims.

It just points out the truth that Trump's xenphobia wants to just ban Muslims.

Might be true, but you can't blame the guy for wanting to protect citizens from xenophopic personages who reside in ME countries, as well as other places, and the best way to do this is to deny entry and make them jump through hoops in visa applications. In these days of electronic communication business can be conducted without entry, so travel isn't essential unless you are a resident.

I think you are incorrect in saying there have been no muslim terrorist attacks on US soil

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/liberals-terror.jpg

Yes Tom, exactly. For 1,400 years muslims have been killing others in name of Islam, it is time it stopped

I think you are incorrect in saying there have been no muslim terrorist attacks on US soil

A Complete List of Radical Islamic Terror Attacks on U.S. Soil Under Obama | Daily Wire (http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett)

Clete, That's NOT what I said. I said "there have been no attacks by foreign nationals since 9/11". Read that link again. You will see all those incidents were committed by American citizens or legal residents. Some born in the US, others here for decades. They were radicalized, either self-radicalized or by contact with Islamic extremists. I believe at least 2 of the 3 from London were legal British residents or citizens.

That's one of the reasons I was against the EO. It gave ISIS ammunition to help them radicalize citizens. Look how your country hates Muslims, they want to ban them and throw them out of the country! Trump is giving them a weapon to use.

I'm all for make them "jump through hoops" to get visas. And that's part of my point. That Trump has had the 90 days he asked for to put such procedures into place. So suspending immigration should be a moot point.

P.S. to Tom. That cartoon is a ridiculous over-exaggeration. While I consider myself more of a moderate, that is not what most liberals think. They do not embrace terrorists. But they do believe that Islam is a peaceful religion and that terrorists pervert the teachings of the Quran to justify they actions.

You are splitting hairs Scott, a muslim is just as dangerous whether he is a "legal" resident, a born here muslim or a recent arrival. Yes, a group of saudi muslims did perpetrate 9/11, but they were in the country legally, a point I think was not lost on Trump, who may have had a front row seat. It is time for the west to stop blaming itself for muslim terrorists and realise it is the nature of the beast

... a point I think was not lost on Trump, who may have had a front row seat.

Yes, we all remember it well. Trump in his front row seat in Jersey City watching all the muslims dancing and cheering as they watched the WTC in flames across the Hudson. Trump informed us they were in the thousands !! Only problem was, IT WAS ALL IN HIS HEAD.

This was one of the earliest instances of Trump's COMPLETE AND UTTER INSANITY. Since then, he has exhibited the same insane behavior on an almost daily basis.

Praise God, his handlers have so far prevented the lunatic from dropping the bomb on some nation whom he perceives to have slighted him.

No I'm not splitting hairs. The thrust of Trump's Exec Order is that we need to stop people coming into this country who will do us harm. The 9/11 attackers (most from Saudi Arabia by the way) were all foreign nationals. But since then, no foreign national has come in and committed such acts. That indicates that whatever safeguards were put in place after 9/11 are working. That's the point and it is a valid one. But I'm not opposed to improving those safeguards if we can. I just don't think a ban on issuing visas is necessary, especially at this point, since Trump has had more than 120 days to institute more stringent vetting. If anything, more effort needs to be placed on ferreting out or, better yet preventing, the people being radicalized.

And, I reject your contention that "it is the nature of beast". The terrorists do NOT represent most Muslims. They are a perversion of Islam.

Oh and by the way, I DID have a front row seat. I was on the 50th floor of the South Tower when the first plane hit.

You are splitting hairs Scott, a muslim is just as dangerous whether he is a "legal" resident, a born here muslim or a recent arrival. Yes, a group of saudi muslims did perpetrate 9/11, but they were in the country legally, a point I think was not lost on Trump, who may have had a front row seat. It is time for the west to stop blaming itself for muslim terrorists and realise it is the nature of the beast

So are you and your obsessive racist blind hate of Muslims, or is it Asians, or native born of your own country. I guess that's the nature of your own beast.

So are you and your obsessive racist blind hate of Muslims, or is it Asians, or native born of your own country. I guess that's the nature of your own beast.

What I oppose are people who kill in the name of religion, people who lie in the name of religion and people who molest children in the name of religion. Not all are muslim but most of them are. I don't mind asians, most east asians are polite, industrious, people but I don't like bludgers of any persuasion, many of these can be found among the so called muslim refugees and some indigenous, by the way, I am native born in my own country, at least six generations, From my perspective many muslims are trouble makers, you don't see people of my race, or religious persuasion, rioting in the streets over some imagined slight or turning their back on an observance of a minutes silence for the victims of muslim extremism in London. The Saudi Arabian soccer team did this in my country today.

My response to the blind hatred portrayed by muslims in the world today can be sung to the WWI ditty, Bless 'em all, appropriate change of wording of course

I lost my innocence in these matters long ago, the americans in Vietnam taught me that.

What I oppose are people who kill in the name of religion, people who lie in the name of religion and people who molest children in the name of religion. Not all are muslim but most of them are.

I oppose the same things. I even agree with you, that in today's world the people most doing those things are Muslim. I have said often that the worst crimes in history have been done in the name of religion. Like the Crusades and the Inquisition.

Where I don't agree with you is that most Muslims do those things. This is my basic problem. You seem to believe that just being Muslim makes some hate all others. That's the same as saying that all jews are moneygrubbers. It's a false sterotype.

A Jewish synagogue recently burned down in Texas. The local Muslim community was one of the first to make a large donation to help rebuild. This is why I reject your stereotype.

I have said often that the worst crimes in history have been done in the name of religion. Like the Crusades and the Inquisition.

First, to Paraclete. Yes, I agree that people who kill (and lie) in the name of religion give a bad name to religion. But who molests children in the name of religion? What religion?

To Scott above -- "...the worst crimes in history have been done in the name of religion. Like the Crusades and the Inquisition". Have you considered WW2 (or just about any other modern war) as a worst crime candidate? Religion based or otherwise? Not only the Nazi horrors or the Japanese brutalities, but Dresden, the Russo-German atrocities on the eastern front, the wholesale slaughter of German and Japanese civilians - women, children and the elderly, all non-combatants - by terror bombing by the US and UK?

As to the repeated canard re the Crusades - what crime? A militant Islam overruns the entire eastern Mediterranean and the victims are not allowed to seek aid in fighting back? What rules of war are broken here that are criminal? Don't apply today's thinking to that of earlier centuries. That's called anachronism - an exercise in faulty logic, a chronological inconsistency.

The Inquisition - Probably more than any other, this almost thousand-year program of the Catholic Church has been consistently misunderstood and misrepresented. The truth is nuanced and doesn't lend itself to easily digestible sound bites. Again, anachronism rears its confusing head.

The biggest bugaboo is the Spanish variety. In 15th century Spain, the Moors (Islam) had finally been driven out of Spain after a 700-year occupation. With the cooperation of the Church, the secular authorities made heresy a punishable crime. Heresy, in 15th century terms, was equivalent to sedition - a crime forbidden today by all modern nations.

Popular imagination has pegged the number of executed victims as high as 50,000,000. An absurd figure. Serious historians have estimated the number of executions for the thousand year period at between 800 and 2,000. The enormous majority of punishments were penances and/or fines. For comparison sake, the witch hunts of post-Reformation Germany were far worse in numbers of executions.

Finally, a horrible picture of the Inquisition remains of victims being burned at the stake. Almost impossible for the modern mind to fathom is that such punishment was considered an act of mercy (compared to other forms of execution). The burning ensured that the souls would escape the torment of hell which otherwise the souls would have been eternally condemned to. We moderns don't think in those terms anymore, but back then even the brightest intellects did so.

Back to the original post. You can't sweep/condemn with a broad brush a billion Muslims because a tiny few are crazy fundamentalists. If you are one of the millions of ordinary Muslims, it's not easy to speak out when a crazy might be right next to you in the mosque waiting to behead you if you DO speak out. Also, maybe the media doesn't cover the brave Muslims that DO speak out. Such is the nature of terror where so few can do so much evil.

Such is the nature of terror where so few can do so much evil.

What you are saying that the muslims should be excused for not speaking out because they are terrorised, and no doubt you would excuse the germans for the same reason, no, both drank the koolaid, and the muslims continue to drink it. You don't understand, they worship the quoran as if it were God and explain away its inconsistencies by saying God changed his mind, they are working their way to heaven and the quick way is to kill unbelievers and become a martyr. You think only a small number believe this but jihad is required of every muslim, it is a religious obligation just as is a pilgrimage to Mecca, the centre of wahabbist belief, is a religious obligation

You cannot be that ignorant that you don't know there are as many sects of Islam as there are in Christianity.

Jihad

Jihad is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning the act of "striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering". A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen.



Dumb racist!! I won't even bother to tell you the difference between Sunni and Shia, Arab, Asian, African or American, and Indian Muslims, or those of Eastern Europe, et al. Look it up instead of making it up! A hate spewing ignorant Christian nut is no better than those ISIS nuts.

You both are misguided hypocrites of your own faiths.

Dumb racist!!

I am neither dumb nor racist but unlike dumb americans I don't think Islam is a race, it is a death cult. Jihad has many meanings from the personal fight against your own nature to active war against un-believers. Daesh is the latest manifestation of the holy warriors and I will not excuse anyone who supports this in any form. America supported the mujahideen in Afghanistan for its own purposes and so spawned al qaeda and ISIS, but both are the result of wahhabist doctrine originating in and promoted by Saudi Arabia, the same place where your stupid president danced their little war dance and kowtowed to the king, and the 9/11 bomber came from. Wake up america you are being played for fools once again

I am neither dumb nor racist

At least acknowledge your ignorance, as you deny your racism, as that is the only explanation for you not having a clue what you are talking about.

as I said Islam is not a race, if it were we would be talking about arabs, but it exists in many nations and so is not a race, race speaks of ethnicity, but islam is a political system based on religious teachings. Calling islam a race is like calling americans a race, it is an error, and a serious error, because it reduces all debate to a single paradigm and it certainly is not.

You like to think of me as racist because you can stick me in a box, but you live in the most racist nation on Earth and so you see things in terms of race. Where I come from we do not but we are acutely aware that there is a cultural clash between western judeo-christian values and islam which seeks to subvert those values and replace them.

As to me not having a clue, well I join a long line which I think starts in Washington, or is it New York, so difficult to know but be assured that just because I live far from the maddened crowd doesn't mean I am ignorant of world affairs. You see you have resorted to name calling because you lost the debate and feel threatened. You are on the wrong side of history Tal, just like those people who thought fascism, or communism, could bring utopia, well be, assured capitalism and wishful thinking will not bring it either

It is your own hate filled words that put you in a box Clete, and denigrates the debate. Ethnicity is a human construct and means little in the debate other than to delineate the variety of the HUMAN race. Your government, my government, their government capitalist, communist or any IST you care to name are but facets of the human experiment as we continue to evolve into whatever. Messy to say the least, but let's not be stupid. If you didn't see this middle east BS behavior coming after throwing off the shackles of oppression and exploitation then you haven't been paying attention to OUR human history.

I mean you quake in your boots, and piss yourself over some supposed "muslim" threat because a FEW criminals catch your attention, but history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics, you broad brush your hate so widely as to ignore (or willingly be ignorant) to facts that are right in front of your face.

I repeat look it up, before you make it up! Then we can debate facts and truth, and get beyond the crazy FACTLESS crap you talk. I don't hate you my RACIST friend (have a lot of those) quite the opposite my fellow human, and don't we both hate humans that behave badly?

What's wrong with trying to build UTOPIA? Just because we ain't there, doesn't mean we stop trying.

Peace be with you.

but history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics,

Ah, at last you admit islam is about power and domination and it is not racist to identify this and be against it. I see you have had a some riots in the US over islam. In this utopia I live in this hasn't happened in a long time even though we have been subject to islamist attacks

Ah, at last you admit islam is about power and domination
Tal didn't say that. He said "history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics..."

"Those" people USE religion to accomplish (attempt to accomplish?) their own agenda.

Tal didn't say that. He said "history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics..."

"Those" people USE religion to accomplish (attempt to accomplish?) their own agenda.

You can add what emphasis you want and try to beat around the bush but Islam fits the definition, convenient deity, power, domination. You cannot have it both ways, even your own statement
Those" people USE religion to accomplish (attempt to accomplish?) their own agenda.
is an admission

Riots?/ What riots? I got links, where are yours?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/28/melbourne-protests-racism-islam-rallies-police

Don't put words in my mouth, you know darn well I meant the human collective. Of course I don't expect you to bring facts to a debate.

Islam fits the definition, convenient deity, power, domination
Some people drape Islam over themselves as a fake justification for their crimes against humanity. Just like other low-lifes drape the mantle of Christianity over their shoulders when they disrespect their fellowmankind and refuse to obey Jesus' second greatest commandment (and in doing so, also disobey the first).

Riots?/ What riots? I got links, where are yours?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/28/melbourne-protests-racism-islam-rallies-police

Don't put words in my mouth, you know darn well I meant the human collective. Of course I don't expect you to bring facts to a debate.

That's not a riot, just a few dickheads having a punchup, any way it happened in Victoria, a strange place full of ethnic diversity and recent islamic events

So where are your links to our riots? I will note how easily you brush off your own goings on, and maximize others to make your points. So I await your right wing extremist links to "dust ups here in weird places" that support your own racist views that justify your hate.

For the record racist is merely a more specific term to describe a hater and In my opinion you qualify. Nothing personal, just a casual observation.

So where are your links to our riots? I will note how easily you brush off your own goings on, and maximize others to make your points. So I await your right wing extremist links to "dust ups here in weird places" that support your own racist views that justify your hate.

For the record racist is merely a more specific term to describe a hater and In my opinion you qualify. Nothing personal, just a casual observation.

I don't need links it is all over the news, don't you watch the news or are you told it is fake news by your dufus president on twitter