Got anything more recent and maybe without extrapolating?

I give you the facts Tal, you can check them for yourself

I was referring to CDAD's link.

Here is another that supports it and is only 1 year old.

How Many Times A Day Are Guns Used In Self Defense? | Extrano's Alley, a gun blog (http://extranosalley.com/?p=39222)

Here is the Cato institute talking about how guns can prevent crime.

How Guns Stop Crimes | Cato Institute (http://www.cato.org/policy-report/marchapril-2012/how-guns-stop-crimes)

'If this represents what you call a "few" then can I get a "few" dollars from you?'

An academic paper based on a telephone survey of 4,970 people, based on a recount of events in the previous 12 months??

I think there is a fair bit of room for doubt there.

Come on tutt you know about statistics, that is a statistically significant sample in a small population, and with the brilliant mathemeticians they have over there they can extropolate "whatever" from it, Now what we don't know is what questions were asked but we can be sure of the outcome they were looking for. I wonder what the confidence interval was and was it NRA sponsored?

Breaking new, Bonehead gets her done.

House Passes 'Clean' Debt Limit Bill After Republicans Capitulate (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/11/house-passes-debt-ceiling_n_4769622.html)


Republicans had threatened to at least try to attach some other measure to the hike, but capitulated Tuesday after they were unable to agree on specific demands. Having weighed proposals last week to link the debt ceiling rise to repeal of Obamacare's risk corridors provision or approval of the Keystone XL pipeline (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/05/debt-ceiling-2014_n_4731544.html), House GOP leaders were prepared on Monday to tie the increase to restoring recent cuts of military retirement benefits.
But by Tuesday morning, even that plan lacked enough Republican support, and Boehner acknowledged to reporters (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/11/john-boehner-debt-ceiling_n_4766730.html) that it had been difficult getting his members to coalesce around a plan.


That's one way to get a clean bill.

you mean you actually got a bill with no staples, a win for democracy there

He's a pu$$y sell out . His OWN rule was no debt ceiling deal without offsetting cuts . The whole Repubic leadership needs to be voted out .

Cutting government spending without raising revenues (closing loopholes?) is unfair, unequal, and unbalanced. Especially given house republicans could not agree on a clear strategy.

and having endless increases in spending ,financed by debt is irresponsible . and why is cutting spending "unfair " when the government budget is bloated ;and can easily be trimmed without causing hardship ? The problem here is that the goverment ,and both political parties are so wedded into being a massive out of control leviathan that it cannot conceive another way .

That's an extremely simplistic view considering the cost of everything is rising, and the wages are stagnant, while profits soar at record levels. And the rivers and streams get more polluted everyday. Soaring rhetoric, or fighting to the death to shrink government doesn't address any of the real issues, just makes the problems worse.

Endless delays of your greatest "achievement" doesn't do much for us, but then fixing things is never you lobs strong suit. You talk a good game and then screw it up completely for everyone.

so we need a new model for civilization, since this one isn't sustainable. However the medicine is hard to take, rampant individualism must give way. But you don't have to wait long, your stock market will trim your budget for you, when it collapses you will have to change your ways, those bonds the fed is buying will become worthless

Just curious, when is the media going to start identifying Democrats behaving badly as Democrats like they do Republicans - even having been assumed to behave badly?

First Take: Ex-New Orleans mayor Nagin convicted (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/12/nagin-trial-katrina-convicted/5288257/)

Nope, no mention of party affiliation on CNN either (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/12/justice/louisiana-nagin-convicted/). But you can be damn sure everyone know Christie, guilty of nothing so far, is a Republican.

Just curious, when is the media going to start identifying Democrats behaving badly as Democrats like they do Republicans - even having been assumed to behave badly?

First Take: Ex-New Orleans mayor Nagin convicted (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/12/nagin-trial-katrina-convicted/5288257/)

Nope, no mention of party affiliation on CNN either (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/12/justice/louisiana-nagin-convicted/). But you can be damn sure everyone know Christie, guilty of nothing so far, is a Republican.

I don't know if it is just this forum, but the level of journalism posted here (for the most part anyway) reflects a media that doesn't recognise any civic responsibility.

I guess you are pointing to a type of inevitability. That is, one group will eventually take the upper hand in the propaganda war.

well speech when the democrats behave as badly as the 'publicans no doubt they will pick up on it, but them dem's haven't tried to shut down the country yet. You know that when the media are agin you, you are on a hiddin to nothing. So rather than shoutin about it, same navel gazzin is called fur. The problem is; you touched peoples money, you touched their livlihood and they don't easily forget, and what is this all about, afterall it is just a structural adjustment in the health insurance industry, and you had better get used to structural adjustments, there are going to be a lot of them. Had a look at some of your long term employment statistics and they don't bode well

really ? Juan Cofield, president of the New England Area Conference of the NAACP compared a kidnapping and sexual assault by Democrat State Rep. Carlos Henriquez to jay walking . I kid you not . He refused to resign and conducted his work if the state House while in jail. He is also he is son of Sandra Henriquez Assistant Secretary for Public and Indian Housing for the Obama administration. (http://datechguyblog.com/2014/01/31/572-days-ago-the-son-of-the-assistant-secretary-for-public-and-indian-housing-for-the-obama-administration/) The NAACP chapter itself sent a letter to the lawmakers urging them to abstain from voting on the expulsion.
Here is the full police report of his arrest :

About 4:24AM on Sunday, July 08, 2012, Officer Kamel assigned to D448A unit responded to a radio call from North Eastern Police for a female held against her will at 21 Forsyth St, Boston.
Officer McCarthy who was assigned to the D43PA unit also responded for assistance. Upon arrival Officer Kamel spoke with the victim (Gonzalves) who was being evaluated by EMT Beckett and EMT Anderson in Ambulance A2. Ms. Gonzalves who appeared to be agitated and crying at the time informed Officer Kamel that the suspect (Henriquez) had picked her up at about 2:00am that morning from her mother's home which is located at REDACTED, Arlington MA.
Ms. Gonzalves stated that the suspect (Henriquez) told her that he wanted to talk about their friendship. Ms. Gonzalves also informed Officer Kamel that the suspect (Henriquez) who was operating a grey Zip Car possibly a Toyota (http://www.redmassgroup.com/diary/15076/carlos-henriquez-police-report#) had kept Ms. Gonzalves against her will in the Zip Car while driving around in downtown Boston, Starbow Drive and the freeway refusing to stop. Ms. Gonzalves continued and stated that Mr. Henriquez had yelled at her in previous incidences. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that Mr. Henriquez had punched her with a closed fist repeatedly and strangled her while she was in the motor vehicle.
Ms. Gonzalves stated that every time she attempted to jump out of the car the suspect (Henriquez) grabbed her wrists to prevent her from jumping out of the motor vehicle. Ms. Gonzalves also stated that she had to jump but from the moving motor vehicle and ran to a building where she spoke with North Eastern Police Sgt. Boyd locate at about 21 Forsyth St. Soon responding Boston Police Officers did observe scuffs on Ms. Gonzalves right shin and multiple bruises on her arms and wrists. Ms. Gonzalves refused further medical attention at the time. Gonzalves realized that she left her right sandal behind as she jumped out of the MV.
Gonzalves was noticeably upset and shaken up.
Officer McCarthy transported the victim (Gonzalves) to her home located at [redacted] in Somerville, Ma based on her wishes.
About 6:26AM, Officer Kamel did call the victim via district D Phone. Ms. Gonzalves was more open and stated to Officer Kamel that she and the suspect had an intimate relationship (http://www.redmassgroup.com/diary/15076/carlos-henriquez-police-report#) about a month ago. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that they were friends at the time that he picked her up. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that she had to go back home because her mother had called her. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that the suspect (Henriquez) got angry with her and told her, "I came here all the way for that?" Ms. Gonzalves further informed Officer Kamel that when she was in his motor vehicle she had repeadely asked him to stop the car but he wouldn't. Ms. Gonzalves also stated that the suspect (Henriquez) took her phone from her and took the sim card and memory card from it. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that when she ran to the building and spoke with North Eastern Police she was under the impression that her phone does not work.
The D102A Officers Griffin and Burwell responded to the suspect's residence and place him under arrest for Kidnapping, two counts of Assault and battery 209A, intimidation of a witness and larceny from a person. Post Miranda warning Officer McCarthy asked Henriquez if he wished to answer any questions or to explain his side of the story and he refused to do so.

Even though this case has been ongoing since July of 2012 .The national media has largely ignored this Democrat and NAACP war on women.

That's because it doesn't fit the agenda. The media and the left don't care about the "core values" they preach. They don't hate racism, intolerance, inequality, etc. - they hate conservatives. Period.

Obamacare Valentine's? Are you freakin' kidding me?

45665

who do they heart ? The seniors they screwed with the draconian Medicare cuts ? ...or the Pajama Boy types they are trying to sucker into over paying ?

I'm certainly lovin' my higher premiums. deductibles and copays. After 3 hospital stays for my wife since Christmas it came at an especially good time, too.

There you see, without the ACA your insurer would have disowned you as an unacceptable risk. Has anyone realsed that health insurance is like life insurance, you arn't supposed to collect

No sir, you're wrong. Her insurer cannot drop her unless the premium goes unpaid and the ACA had nothing to do with that. Obamacare just made her insurance worse and more expensive. get your facts right.

Obviously NJ Democrats have nothing better to do.

New Jersey Lawmakers Want To Rename The Sea Of Japan (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/new-jersey-sea-of-japan)

Now they're using cuddly animals to shill for Obamacae in their embarrassing series of ads. Rick Moran comments...


The PJ Tatler » Cat Lovers Outraged by the Use of Kittens to Sell Obamacare (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/02/15/cat-lovers-outraged-by-the-use-of-kittens-to-sell-obamacare/?singlepage=true)

Henrietta Fourpaws of Felix, IL, made the point that the ad was stupid, but also claimed that exploiting young kittens in this fashion was cruel and unjust.“

Just look at their faces,” she said. “They’re bored and unhappy. Wouldn’t you be if you were forced to shill for a total disaster? It’s like putting them in the front seat of an Edsel.”

Gladys Purrdy of Morris, PA, was even more forceful in her denunciation of the ad. “How dare they use such beautiful creatures for a grubby enterprise like Obamacare,” she said.

She added, “Besides, the kittens make poor sales critters for Obamacare. Everyone knows that cats are way too independent to obey the individual mandate, plus, they’re far too smart to believe the president after he told us ‘If you like your vet, you can keep your vet. Period.’”

With a nod to Democrat aversion to reality, it's come to this...John "I want a Nobel and will throw Israel under the bus to get it" Kerry has informed us that the Syrian talks are in trouble thanks to Iran, Hezbollah and Russia (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kerry-says-russia-undermines-syria-talks/2014/02/17/c6e88386-979c-11e3-ae45-458927ccedb6_story.html).

Gee, who could have seen that coming?




Although Russia publicly supports the idea of a transitional government, Kerry said he regretted that increased support for Assad from Iran, Hezbollah and Russia had encouraged the Syrian president in his intransigence.

Hello again, Steve:

Being a no guy again, huh.. Your party does that well..

Since you don't like what Kerry/Obama are doing, what exactly WOULD you DO??? Do you want us to intervene? How? Really??? You think the American public is ready for a THIRD Middle East war????

If not intervention, what do you suggest??? Or, are you only able to say NO!!!

Oh, I'm sure you'll resort to your usual tactics telling me that you've already EXPLAINED what you'll do somewhere else, and it's up to ME to find it... But, I ain't gonna let you get away with that again...

I wanna HEAR what the right wing PLAN is for a Middle East that is falling apart??? SPECIFICS, if you please.

Right.... I thought so....

excon

Dude, I am not the one running the country (into the ground). Dodging the fact that this regime keeps screwing things up, wasting money, driving up prices etc. -not to mention continually LYING to us (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/democrat-aversion-reality-768009-63.html#post3621171) - solves nothing.

At least SOMEONE is TRYING to hold them accountable while you just continue to make excuses, enable this nonsense and blame people who have no control for not doing something about it, or call us racists for complaining.

Your argument is ridiculous and unhelpful, YOUR side has the power to change things but instead you fling crap and twiddle your thumbs.

Syria ? I'd give material support to the emerging autonomous Kurdish/Christian region in Hasakah province and let the rest of them fight to the death. The people in the region have already done the work of expelling AQ jihadists from the province ,and are beginning to establish a functioning adminstering governance of the province outside of the regime and the jihadists influence.

Dude, I am not the one running the country (into the ground). Dodging the fact that this regime keeps screwing things up, wasting money, driving up prices etc. -not to mention continually LYING to us (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/democrat-aversion-reality-768009-63.html#post3621171) - solves nothing.

At least SOMEONE is TRYING to hold them accountable while you just continue to make excuses, enable this nonsense and blame people who have no control for not doing something about it, or call us racists for complaining.

Your argument is ridiculous and unhelpful, YOUR side has the power to change things but instead you fling crap and twiddle your thumbs.

You claim you aren't the problem someone else is, but for sure you haven't been part of the solution. And you had more chances to be. You blew it too!

You claim you aren't the problem someone else is, but for sure you haven't been part of the solution. And you had more chances to be. You blew it too!

Excuse me, we have both offered solutions AND warned you this sort of thing would happen but again, YOUR side is in control so it is YOUR side who deservedly gets the blame. But what would one expect from supporters of a regime that "reset" relations with Russia, appoints ambassadors (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-11/how-much-does-it-cost-to-be-ambassador-to-hungary-.html) that are total flakes (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-12-2014/diplomat-buyers-club), leaves our good guys hung out to dry in Benghazi and has a Secretary of State more concerned with his Nobel than our interests, but to shift blame and repeat the same excuses?

Just can't admit Obama has taken some of your good ideas but rejected others, and gotten re elected. Evidently as a country we have decided who best to be president for now, so live with being out voted.

We have elections every two years so you should be familiar with the process by now. You have a right to make noise. And vote for more noise makers. Your noise is duly noted. Unfortunately the world hasn't ended yet. No doubt when it does you guys can fix it right?

You're a broken record, and no one listens to broken records. Although it really is a little disturbing you're so willing to live with such incompetence. Just can't bring yourself to admit the Messiah is a flop.

What can I say? Win elections and be a targets for the losers. Comes with the territory.

So what's the problem? You just hate it when we show the ignorance and projection is on your side.

I don't think ignorance and projection take sides speech, they are well represented in all areas of political persuasion

Scientists mystified as 20 earthquakes hit Oklahoma in one day | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561473/Scientists-mystified-20-earthquakes-hit-Oklahoma-one-day.html)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/17/article-0-1B96106C00000578-523_634x515.jpg
Mother Mature or Man?

that's what happens when you take all the oil out

Or the GAS?

Azle mayor uneasy as earthquakes continue | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth (http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarrant/Azle-mayor-uneasy-as-earthquakes-continue-233549831.html)

Fracking and tremors - SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fracking_and_tremors)

UPDATED: Texas to ignore fracking earthquakes (http://www.texassharon.com/2013/03/26/texas-to-ignore-fracking-earthquakes/)

http://www.texassharon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/head-in-the-sand1-e1364306557807.jpeg (http://www.texassharon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/head-in-the-sand1.jpeg)

So a Wikipedia-like site and some blogger blame it on fracking but your original article is more accurate, "Meanwhile, scientists have been left scratching their heads over the quakes, which are becoming more frequent each day."

Wastewater Injection Spurred Biggest Earthquake Yet, Says Study | Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/news-events/wastewater-injection-spurred-biggest-earthquake-yet-says-study)


Scientists have linked a rising number of quakes in normally calm parts of Arkansas, Texas, Ohio and Colorado to below-ground injection. In the last four years, the number of quakes in the middle of the United States jumped 11-fold from the three decades prior, the authors of the Geology study estimate. Last year, a group at the U.S. Geological Survey also attributed a remarkable rise (http://www2.seismosoc.org/FMPro?-db=Abstract_Submission_12&-sortfield=PresDay&-sortorder=ascending&-sortfield=Special+Session+Name+Calc&-sortorder=ascending&-sortfield=PresTimeSort&-sortorder=ascending&-op=gt&PresStatus=0&-lop=and&-token.1=ShowSession&-token.2=ShowHeading&-recid=224&-format=/meetings/2012/abstracts/sessionabstractdetail.html&-lay=MtgList&-find) in small- to mid-size quakes in the region to humans. The risk is serious enough that the National Academy of Sciences, in a report last year (http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13355&page=1) called for further research to “understand, limit and respond” to induced seismic events. Despite these studies, wastewater injection continues near the Oklahoma earthquakes.

Barnett Shale: UPDATE: Chesapeake disputes SMU research about earthquakes (http://startelegram.typepad.com/barnett_shale/2010/03/smu-researchers-earthquakes-at-dfw-linked-to-injection-well-more-study-needed.html)

Where have you been the last few years?

I've been hanging out in a place loaded with energy activity where I've never felt an earthquake.


In the past several years, some energy technologies that inject or extract fluid from the Earth, such as oil and gas development and geothermal energy development, have been found or suspected (http://dels.nas.edu/Report/Induced-Seismicity-Potential-Energy-Technologies/13355) to cause seismic events, drawing heightened public attention. Although only a very small fraction of injection and extraction activities among the hundreds of thousands of energy development sites in the United States have induced seismicity at levels noticeable to the public, understanding the potential for inducing felt seismic events and for limiting their occurrence and impacts is desirable for state and federal agencies, industry, and the public at large. To better understand, limit, and respond to induced seismic events, work is needed to build robust prediction models, to assess potential hazards, and to help relevant agencies coordinate to address them.



Research has provided a better understanding of the factors that induce seismicity. Although existing faults and fractures are generally stable, changes in subsurface pore pressure, for example due to the injection or extraction of fluid from Earth's subsurface, may change the crustal stresses acting on a nearby fault and induce a seismic event. Net fluid balance appears to have the most direct correlation to the magnitude of induced seismic events, thus, energy technology projects that maintain a balance between the amount of fluid injected and the amount withdrawn may induce fewer felt seismic events than technologies that do not maintain balance.
Although the general mechanisms that create induced seismic events are well understood, scientists are currently unable to accurately predict the magnitude or occurrence of such events due to the lack of comprehensive data on the complex natural rock systems at particular energy development sites. Predictions of induced seismicity at specific energy development sites will continue to rely on both theoretical modeling, and data and observations from measurements made in the field.
Of all the energy-related injection and extraction activities conducted in the United States, only a very small fraction have induced seismicity at levels noticeable to the public (that is, above magnitude 2.0). Different energy technologies typically use different injection rates and pressures, fluid volumes, and injection duration—factors that affect the likelihood and magnitude of an induced earthquake.
Geothermal energy—the use of heat from the Earth as an energy source—usually attempts to maintain a balance between fluid volumes extracted for energy production and those replaced by injection, which reduces the potential for induced seismicity. However, site-specific characteristics can make a difference. For example, the high-pressure hydraulic fracturing undertaken to produce geothermal energy from hot, dry rocks has caused seismic events that are large enough to be felt.
Conventional oil and gas development extracts oil, gas, and water from pore spaces in rocks in subsurface reservoirs. Incidences of felt induced seismicity from conventional oil and gas development appear to be very rare.
Shale formations may contain oil, gas, and/or liquids. Shales have very low permeability that prevent these fluids from easily flowing into a well bore, and so wells may be drilled horizontally and hydraulically fractured to allow hydrocarbons to flow up the well bore. Hydraulic fracturing to date has been confirmed as the cause for small, felt seismic events at one location in the world. The process of hydraulic fracturing a well as presently implemented for shale gas recovery does not pose a high risk for inducing felt seismic events.
Tens of thousands of waste water disposal wells have been drilled in the United States to dispose of the water generated by geothermal and oil and gas production operations, including shale gas production. Water injection for disposal has been suspected or determined a likely cause for induced seismicity at approximately 8 sites in the past several decades. However, the long-term effects of increasing the number of waste water disposal wells on the potential for induced seismicity are unknown, and wells used only for waste water disposal usually do not undergo detailed geologic review prior to injection, in contrast to wells for enhanced oil recovery and secondary recovery.



What was that, 1 site had noticeable seismic activity from fracking and 8 from wastewater injection? What is that statistically?

If it happens to your house, what is that statistically? Constant earth tremors are just statistics huh? Okay. 200 earth quakes of 2.5 is rare and nothing to worry about? Okay.

It's a valid question, do you want to deal with it?

Face it Tal, the fear-mongering is unfounded and unsupported by the facts - just as Obama blaming global warming for the Central California drought is unsupported by the facts. You expect us to be happy with soaring energy prices over the fear of a statistical possibility near zero and pay through the nose for food because of man-made drought to save a minnow. No wonder your side believes astrology is science.

So are you saying the earthquakes aren't enough to worry about? Okay.

No, I don't worry about earthquakes at all. That's what troubles you lefties, all your irrational fear-mongering doesn't have us trembling and begging for you to rescue us. You guys can live in fear if you want, but leave us alone.

The mayor of Azle is scared and so are his constituents with cracks in their homes, as are residents in Oklahoma. But what do they know, just leave them alone too huh? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkay!

Oh the drama. No of course I don't care that Azle residents are worried about earthquakes. I also hate gays, blacks, women and kick puppies every chance I get.


"I'd say it certainly looks very possible that the earthquakes are related to injection wells," he said in an interview from Austin.


Frolich notes, however, that thousands of such wells have operated in Texas for decades, with no quakes anywhere near them. He adds that there are probably a thousand unknown faults beneath Texas.

Your own sources keep giving us reason not jump headlong into a panic over fracking and injection, when are you going to take the hint?

We could just stop drilling/injecting where the earth shakes until we know better. Since they are such a small part of the energy equation. What's wrong with that?

I am all about safety, but that doesn't require a knee-jerk reaction.

Stop drilling if the ground is shaking. Not a hard concept to embrace, no matter the condition of your knees.

The problem is your side says "don't do it period" because there MIGHT be an almost zero possibility of an earthquake somewhere. We can't finish a pipeline that would be safer than trucks, trains and barges because there MIGHT be a leak some day. That's where your knees jerk.

the greenies ignore that some of their clean energy solutions have been directly responsible for seismic shifts ... projects like hydropower reservoirs ,geothermal energy and carbon sequestration have caused quakes .
Filling this dam caused a 6.3 richter quake .
Koyna Dam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koyna_dam)
there are some who claim that the Zipingpu Dam in Sichuan caused a 7.9 quake that killed 70,000 people in China .

And of course geothermal drilling has long been a concern.
How Does Geothermal Drilling Trigger Earthquakes? - Scientific American (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/geothermal-drilling-earthquakes/)
Geothermal power facility induces earthquakes, study finds - UC Santa Cruz (http://news.ucsc.edu/2013/07/geothermal-earthquakes.html)

there needs to be a seismic shift in your thinking Tom, stop thinking of reasons not to implement carbon reduction strategies, volcanos also cause siesmic shifts

no my point is valid . Tal is the one doing the chicken little act about earthquakes in areas where there is fracking . He completely ignores earthquakes that have been tied to 'environmental-friendly ' energy .

There are a lot of unintended consequences of all energy production and most of them cannot be dealt with without complete cessation of activity and perhaps not even then. There are few renewable technologies that don't have consequences somewhere. What we need to do is responsibably manage risk and not exploit resources that have unexpectable levels of risk. Shale oil is one industry that does have unacceptable levels of risk, If the Canadians want to export it let them build a pipeline across the Rockies or to Hudson Bay or some such and it you want to export your product then build the pipeline or not but do so for real not imagined reasons

Law allowing Keystone pipeline in Nebraska struck down (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/02/19/keystone-pipeline-nebraska/5616213/)


Dave Domina, the lawyer who handled the case for the landowners, said in a statement that the ruling is "not about the merits of any pipeline in particular" but is instead "a landowner rights case."

yeh we know the not in our backyard syndrome

horse sh+t The US has pipelines all over the place....even in Nebraska

That's what those land owners said... horse $hit!!

Democrats who oppose Keystone XL pipeline own shares in competing companies | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/13/democrats-who-oppose-keystone-xl-pipeline-own-shares-in-competing-companies/)

Democrats who oppose Keystone XL pipeline own shares in competing companies

Horseshlt now that's something they don't move by pipeline but I expect you are expert on the production and logistics of horseshlt

There is over 20,000 miles of pipeling going through Nebraska . The argument against the Keystone line is lame.

so wall to wall pipelines then I can understand farmers don't want another one

emminent domain only goes so far as to an easement and the land owners would be given a fair price for the use. Not only that ,but there is already a Keystone pipe route going through the state. This extension would just make the route shorter .Is it the position now of this black robed despotic oligarch that the state doesn't have the power to make eminent domain easements now for infrastructure ? Like I said ....horse sh+t .

let me see if I can post a pix.... 45702

70 percent of the landowners have already reached an agreement with TransCanada. The oligarch decided a law intended to bypass their Public Service Commission and allow the governor to approve the route was unconstitutional, a law 2012 law "that received overwhelming support in the Nebraska Legislature (http://www.omaha.com/article/20140219/NEWS/140218464/1707)."

It's a delay, and the greens will be fighting it tooth and nail again for God knows whatever reason other than apparently they want to increase greenhouse gas emissions (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/state-dept-not-building-keystone-pipeline-could-increase) and expose us to more truck, train and barge spills.

yup ,all it's about is a delay tactic. If it goes up the court system this local judge will get smacked down by the higher courts. These enviro-weenies would prefer that the Canadians pipe it to Vancouver so it can be shipped direct to the Chinese.

Or they could refine their own oil and jack up the price. Ever wonder why they don't?

no, and I really don't care .They think it's in their best interest to export the crude . Maybe it's just that we are better at it .

My problem is giving eminent domain to a foreign country, even if they are neighbors and allies.

so what you are saying is that you have a problem with multinationals and trans border transactions, better abandon NAFTA right now

TPP is supposed to be the answer to NAFTA, and close the trade gaps but it sounds even worse to me.

Free trade schemes are a beggar my neighbour policy that often backfires resulting in wealth transfer away from the larger competitor NAFTA is a case in point. Canada and Mexico have benefited far more than the US

How Virginia does 'ethics reform.'
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-ethics-reform-is-riddled-with-loopholes-and-softens-a-penalty-for-lying-in-disclosures/2014/02/22/c194b1d0-9b65-11e3-975d-107dfef7b668_story.html)

The purported “ethics reform” bills (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/ethics-mental-health-bills-advance-in-virginia-general-assembly/2014/02/10/8a682b5e-9293-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html)sliding easily through the Virginia legislature include a curious, little-noticed provision.

Under language approved by the Senate and House of Delegates, legislators would no longer be obliged to have their financial disclosure forms notarized.


Why is that important? It means lawmakers would be charged only with a misdemeanor, rather than a felony, for making a false statement about their investments or gifts they’ve received from lobbyists.


Well, isn’t that convenient.


Richmond political leaders have touted the bills as taking a major bite out of corruption, in response to the gifts scandal involving former governor Bob McDonnell (R). Instead, this switch would yank out one of the current law’s sharper teeth.

...


I lack space to describe all of the bills’ shortcomings, but here are some highlights.


First, the centerpiece is a $250 “cap” on gifts (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-lawmakers-scrutinize-past-gifts-as-they-prepare-ethics-legislation/2014/01/30/1293b8f4-89de-11e3-916e-e01534b1e132_story.html)to public officials that’s close to meaningless.


The ceiling is not cumulative. So there’s no limit on the number of $250 gifts that a lobbyist or state contractor could give in hope of influencing a lawmaker or other official.


More important, the $250 limit would apply only to so-called tangible gifts, or objects. That is aimed at largesse, such as the $6,500 Rolex watch that McDonnell received via his wife from businessman Jonnie Williams Sr.

But the biggest gifts bestowed by corporations, lobbyists and foreign governments are “intangible” ones, such as overseas trips, weekends at the Masters golf tournament and tickets to FedEx Field.

...


Finally, the bills would not require disclosure of gifts or loans to corporate entities in which a public official owned a stake.

That means there still would be no need for disclosure of payments similar to the large loans from Williams to a McDonnell family real estate venture.


“Somebody could give my law firm a car I could drive, and I wouldn’t have to report that,” said Del. Scott Surovell (D-Fairfax), the only delegate to vote against the bill.

So instead of tightening rules in light of McDonnell's alleged corruption they just make it easier to get stuff and lighten the penalty for lying. Is there an honest politician left?

Is there an honest politician left?Nope. Not why they think being a politician is the ticket to financial freedom.Thought that was quite obvious to all.

John Dingell, a Michigan Democrat fossil and Dean of the House is stepping down after 29 terms. Dingell, who will be 88 when he retires said, “I don’t want people to say I stayed too long.”

Um, I think we passed that mark a while back.

Not to worry though, the plan is to keep the seat in the family. His wife Debbie is sure to run (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140224/POLITICS02/302240054) and probably be a lock. John got the seat when his father John Sr. passed away after himself serving since 1933.

That's a lot of Dingell.

all NAFTA did was reduce tariffs ;expand trade ,protect intellectual property ,open new markets for small businesses in all the countries ,boosted US farm exports among other things that specifically benefitted the US economy . I favor regional and bilateral trade agreements . Now if we did not have a bumbling idiot emperor ,some of these summit meeting he's had with Mexico and Canada could iron out some of the negatives.

Shows how weak the Repubics are in Michigan that they won't be able to defeat a Dem in the Detroit area.

Nafta sent all the factories south, then overseas, and flooded the US with cheap stuff from cheap labor. Nafta is a regional agreement between Canada, Mexico, and the us.

what other country do we have trade agreements where they are flooding our markets will cheap goods ? Do we have such a trade agreement with China ? If not then how is it that they get their cheap goods here ?
Nafta opened Mexico to American goods and services by breaking down their tariffs.

If not then how is it that they get their cheap goods here ?Because it's what Big Biz wants, then big biz buys a few politicians then stuff gets allowed. Easy peasy.

Another down side is the loss of higher paid wage jobs and the creation of lower wage jobs highlighted between 1998 and present day. Sure some exporting industries had gains but manufacturing and the states that depended on them went bust.

wake up ,this aint the 1940s .The US aint the only game in town . We were never going to hold on to low tech manufacturing . They were lost long before NAFTA. What we gained is markets for our higher tech goods and for our service industry .

run that by us again Tom much of your high tech goods are made offshore, what you got left is a defense industry

bunk . the real problem is that the US has gotten so good at manufacturing that we don't need as many workers to make the goods. That is the only reason American manufacturing jobs have declined. The rest of the US has been transitioning into the service economy ;and that's just something that we have to deal with. Our future in manufacturing is in exports ,and that's why we need trade agreements to break down the barriers that prevent our goods from entering foreign markets . So as usual ;the anti-free trade people got it wrong and are living in the age of protectionist mercantilism.

Tom you live in a fantasy world, what makes you think every other country in the world doesn't have the same objectives. You have operated free trade agreements as a licence to print money and it has backfired on you. The only thing you successfully export is recession. Just to let you know the rest of us are fed up with having our industries ripped apart by decisions made in US boardrooms, we happen to think you have a good grip on only one thing

the real problem is that the US has gotten so good at manufacturing that we don't need as many workers to make the goods. That is the only reason American manufacturing jobs have declined.Oh dear... someone drank the koolaid.

No what he means is they are so smart they worked themselves out of a job, the classic case of being careful what you wish for, the great pity is, while they were doing this, they did it to the rest of us as well

One in a million shot?

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Hello again, Steve:

First time I've ever agreed with Bibi.

excon

yes leopards don't change their spots

This is also why I hate Planned Parenthood, they have no problem subverting parental authority.

Planned Parenthood Produces Video Promoting Bondage and Sadomasochism to Teens | CNS News (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/planned-parenthood-produces-video-promoting-bondage-and)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard all the arguments for it but I don't care, it is not their place to replace the parent on discussions about sex - on my tax dollars no less.

It is just another attention grabber from a nobody in cyberspace. They dont have a degree in the feild they represent so they make the perfect spokesperson. A quick search brought all this up.

Who is Laci Green? | Laci Green (http://lacigreen.tv/about-sex/who-is-laci-green)

Laci Green - RationalWiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Laci_Green)

Laci Green otherwise known as GoGreen18, is an atheist (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Atheist) vlogger (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vlogger) and sex educator (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sex_education) from California (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/California).

Adult only link:

Laci Green | A sex positive web space (http://lacigreen.tv/)

These are the people that keep us 'informed.'

From the sharp minds at MSNBC:

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Awesome new pic of Bubba with a pair of hookers, I'm sure Hillary is proud.

Bill Clinton poses with PROSTITUTES at a charity event | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570912/Bill-Clinton-poses-PROSTITUTES-charity-event.html)

Jerry Brown, in one of his more lucid moments had this to say about legalizing weed.


GOV. JERRY BROWN (D-CA): Well, we have medical marijuana, which gets very close to what they have in Colorado and Washington. I'd really like those two states to show us how it's going to work. The problem with anything, a certain amount is okay, but there is a tendency to go to extremes, and all of a sudden, if there's advertising and legitimacy, how many people can get stoned and still have a great state or a great nation? World's pretty dangerous, very competitive. I think we needed to stay alert, if not 24 hours a day, more than some of the pot heads might be able to put together.

LOL, who'd a thunk it?

He's thinking about hundreds of thousands of stoners on the highways .

He's thinking about hundreds of thousands of stoners on the highways .

Nah, he wants them on his bullet train. Speaking of trains, a “spiffy-looking" light-rail train in St. Paul ran off the tracks (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/26/light-rail-train-derails-in-downtown-st-paul-snow/) just hours after Obama praised it.

Hello again,

Hickenlooper didn't support pot legalization either.. The people DID it anyway. California will follow.

excon

FREE and freely elected Dem. Rep Karen Bass wants you to know that Hollywood just may be able to get America past its 200 year denial of slavery. Huh?

Dem fighting to keep his Senate seat which "has been in his family for a total of three decades" accuses his opponent of having "a sense of entitlement" to the seat because he served in the military.


Can a Democrat Still Get Elected in Arkansas? - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/can-democrat-still-get-elected-arkansas-n44476)


The quick rise has won him an attack ad from Pryor, who says that Cotton has "blind ambition" and a sense of entitlement that will turn voters off, even considering his military background.


"There's a lot of people in the Senate that didn't serve in the military," Pryor told NBC News. "Obviously in the Senate we have all types of different people, all kinds of different folks that have come from all types of different backgrounds—and I think that's part of that sense of entitlement that he gives off is that, almost like, I served my country, let me into the Senate. But that's not how it works in Arkansas."



The irony.

FREE and freely elected Dem. Rep Karen Bass wants you to know that Hollywood just may be able to get America past its 200 year denial of slavery. Huh?

Proof you need absolutely no education or common sense to get elected to office.

So much for hopenchange...it doesn't seem to translate into results.

Poll: Just 11% of blacks say life under Obama is better for young African-Americans (http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-just-11-of-blacks-say-life-under-obama-is-better-for-young-african-americans/article/2545050)

So much for hope and change as repubs are scared of their own plans.

House GOP tax plan runs into resistance in Senate | WashingtonExaminer.com (http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/feed/2120484?slideout=1)



But Camp is expected to answer those tough questions Wednesday, when he unveils his plan. He is betting that the promise of lower rates and a simpler tax system will shield House Republicans from attacks for proposing to cut popular deductions, credits and exemptions.
Democrats and tax experts question whether Camp can reduce the top income tax rate to 25 percent without touching some of the most popular tax breaks. Among the largest tax breaks for individuals: exemptions for retirement contributions and employer-sponsored health plans, and deductions for owning a home and paying a mortgage.

Corporate America has been a big backer of tax reform, arguing that the 35 percent tax rate on most corporate income is the highest in the industrialized world. However, few corporations pay the top rate because the tax code is filled with tax breaks that many businesses are gearing up to defend.


LOL, not surprised the GOP defending corporations who don't even pay the high tax rate. I can see where they wouldn't want voters to be distracted by this BS. Heaven forbid they pay ANY taxes on all those profits.

Reform? I don't think so!!

Warren Buffet and George Soros don't pay the high rates the left expects businesses to pay.

Warren Buffet and George Soros don't pay the high rates the left expects businesses to pay.

Few of them do but they all should don't you think?

Flat tax with ZERO deductions or credits would ensure EVERYONE pays the same percentage of their income no matter how much or little they make... which is the only FAIR way to do it.

Do you think 20% is fair for the rich?, do you think 20% is fair for the poor. The fact is it doesn't matter much to one and it matters a lot to the other. This is why your argument fails. For the poor no rate of tax is "fair". If you want to debate some other rate let's hear it. A better idea is to have a supertax on accumulated wealth, if you don't spend it it gets taxed, that would move some money around, same with wealth after death tax it heavily so it is vested before death in relatives who can use it

What is needed is to remove all the loopholes and tax havens, remove all the deductions and sweetheart deals so that what is earned is clearly stated and taxed. The only "fair" tax is a consumption tax not an income tax, the more you spend the more you pay and if you applied it to corporations then you would pay down your debt very quickly, of course, you would have to deal with the cash economy first so it has to be applied to movement of funds

What's fair is everyone pays the same percentage of their income... period.

Being lazy should not be rewarded.. and working harder than average should not be punished...


Fair is everyone being treated equally... which means everyone paying the same percentage.

If thats not fair enough...I think Liberals should pay a much higher percentage than conservatives because they feel entitled to more stuff...and that stuff needs to be paid for somehow.

you have almost grasped the principle but you see it isn't the poor who complain about better roads and bigger bridges, they don't need the super highways for expensive fast cars and quicker transit to airports, nor do the poor need another aircraft carrier since they would be as well off under one regime as another, but the rich on the other hand...no, conservatives should pay more because they have more to lose call it insurance ot simply protection. If you haven't worked it out yet taxation is a protection racket and each gets something out of it

you have almost grasped the principle but you see it isn't the poor who complain about better roads and bigger bridges, they don't need the super highways for expensive fast cars and quicker transit to airports, nor do the poor need another aircraft carrier since they would be as well off under one regime as another, but the rich on the other hand...no, conservatives should pay more because they have more to lose call it insurance ot simply protection. If you haven't worked it out yet taxation is a protection racket and each gets something out of it
Maybe not in Australia... but here the poor tend to live further away from the centers of employment and as such depend MORE on those roads and bridges than the wealthy.

Liberals HERE are the ones that think the government should give them everything... SO that same group should be taxed at a far higher rate than everyone else to pay for that "stuff".

Whats fair is if you want "stuff" you get off your butt and work to pay for that "stuff". If you want more than you can pay for...you get a second job or work overtime. Or you do what responsible people do....live within your means.

Well said by an old duff who got in the system when it was easy and jobs were all over the place. That's no longer the case. Technology has made many people obsolete, and retraining is expensive. You leave out the 40/50/60 year old who lost a job and home the last 5 years, who had a life within there means and adjustments to that dilemma takes years.

The issue is still JOBS. Just ain't enough.

Throw out the 20 to 30 million illegals here that are working... and you have 20 or 30 million jobs instantly. Few of them require much in the way of skills.

What jobs do you mean?

THey actually work all kinds of jobs... they don't all wash dishes, work in McDonalds and mow lawns.

A LOT of them work construction and about every industry you can think of.

Then I have to ask how an illegal can get a job, and an American cannot? Especially at the numbers you ascribe them too.

I didn't dream those numbers up... The current administration claims there are that many. Nobody has claimed there are not that many...not the Republicans and not the Democrats either.

You know how illegals get a job, they are prepared to work for low wages and put up with unsafe conditions, crowded housing, etc. They do the jobs others don't want. Would your older people take on those jobs, maybe, but maybe not. You haven't got it if you want to say, well that might be all right someplace else but not here. Where I come from we talk about a two speed economy, but I think you have a half speed economy where half the population are standing still. You are lost in the mystique of what a wonderful place this is, you can't see that for a big percentage of the population this isn't so, they are not really sharing in the good times.

This is what you get when you place youth above being inclusive you like the young because they can be exploited into working long hours chasing the carrot and you say if you can't make enough at one job get a second job when millions are out of work, The way the economy should work is you can make enough out of one job so someoneelse can have that other job and older workers should be respected and valued

That only applies if someone has enough work experience at a job to be worth that higher pay.

Nobody straight out of school has that experience because they can't do the same work someone with 10+ years experience does... and as a result they don't deserve the same pay until they do.

Nobody straight from high school gets the same pay as a person that's been there and learned from experience. No one I know has even said such a thing. But in a tight job market, you take what you can get. 4 applicants for every job doesn't cut it. Workers subsidized by tax payers instead of the JOB doesn't cut it either.

patent phonies. Shill for a higher minimum wage and then champion illegals coming in to do the jobs.

noone expects youth to be paid the same wage as more experienced workers. That is the strawman argument just as the excuse that a higher minimum wage is an excuse to attract migrant workers is a strawman argument. Actually I think your hollowmen have been working overtime thinking up these shell arguments

no one expects youth to be paid the same wage as more experienced workers There is no different wage scale for youth that I am aware of here . And my argument about immigration is quite valid . With a wink and a nod ,both the Dems and the Repubics have exploitation of immigrants on their mind. I've been told many times on these pages that I would pay a higher price for goods and services if these immigrants weren't doing the crop picking ,dish cleaning and car washing . So what are these advocates of higher min wage saying ? Do they want more illegals to come in to work under wage scale ? Or do they want higher prices ?

How about letting profiteers pay their workers so I don't have to. Big business exploits cheap labor any way they can, be they illegal, or legal.

No more pork pie, bacon or sausage for some British students, instead they can have halal meat.

Parents fury as pork sausages are banned from the school menu and replaced with halal meat | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575724/Parents-fury-pork-sausages-banned-school-menu-replaced-halal-meat.html)

Cue the liberal outrage.

I wasnt aware that the Brits were forcing religion down anyones throat until I read what Halal food actually is.

Halal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal)

and so they should be outraged why should traditional foods give over to muslim foods just because they exist

I wasnt aware that the Brits were forcing religion down anyones throat until I read what Halal food actually is.

Halal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal)

Yep, that's why I'm waiting for the liberal outrage. Governments can't be forcing religion down anyone's throat, can they?

well who knows but I know most of the meat that comes out of our abbatoirs is halal anyway just because of the export market, incidious those muslims

According to the White House obamacare signups were lower in February than January because January has fewer days.

That explains a lot.

According to the White House obamacare signups were lower in February than January because January has fewer days.

That explains a lot.Apparently we know where the rocket scientists AREN'T working these days.

Yep, that's why I'm waiting for the liberal outrage. Governments can't be forcing religion down anyone's throat, can they?

I guess that would depend on what is explicit or implicit in the British Constitution.

I would also imagine their constitution is not as explicit in this area as your constitution. A bit of research for someone?

way I hear it Obamacare signups have skyrocketted after Obama did a between the ferns show

It come to this,

Cleaning Technology Needs to Catch up to Fracking (http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2014/03/cleaning-technology-needs-catch-fracking)


Fracking produces very large volumes of waste water and, because of the concentration of NORM it contains, a permit is required to manage it. As yet, there is no economic way to clean up the waste water for drinking or irrigation purposes, but other dissolved minerals and rock debris can be removed to allow its reuse to frack additional wells. Reusing flowback like this minimizes the volume of water used in fracking, but does not avoid the problem of having large volumes of radioactively contaminated waste water that needs to be managed.

Report: Radioactive waste from fracking plagues Ohio - Ellwood City Ledger: Energy (http://www.ellwoodcityledger.com/news/energy/report-radioactive-waste-from-fracking-plagues-ohio/article_8a66ff33-598d-5d51-941b-43d156f6770f.html)


A 2011 U.S. Geological Survey report by research geologist, Mark Engle, found that millions of barrels of wastewater from unconventional fracked wells in Pennsylvania and vertical wells in New York were 3,609 times more radioactive than the federal limit for drinking water and 300 times more radioactive than a Nuclear Regulatory Commission limit for industrial discharges to water.
In Pennsylvania, officials are studying the issue, too.
The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection announced in January the agency's plan to study radiation in natural gas drilling wastewater as part of a one-year study.
In April, the DEP began testing for radioactivity in waste products from natural gas well drilling as part of the study. In addition to analyzing wastewater from fracking, the study also will analyze radioactivity in drill cuttings, drilling mud, drilling equipment, treatment solids and sediments at well pads, wastewater treatment and disposal facilities and landfill leachate.


Radioactive oil patch waste on the loose in N.D. : Energy News (http://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/radioactive-oil-patch-waste-on-the-loose-in-n-d/article_e991dcc2-62b7-11e2-b3d6-0019bb2963f4.html)


Safe disposal
Where the waste should go, if it is radioactive, is to an approved waste disposal facility — and there are none in North Dakota, Tillotson said. The closest are in Colorado, Utah and Idaho.
Next General Solutions has about 30 sites where it has set up lined and sealed containers to collect such materials as filter socks that are then transported to approved facilities. Most of those sites are at saltwater disposal wells.
Rhea figures maybe 20 percent of the radioactive waste is being handled the way it should be by conscientious companies.
That other 80 percent? Good question, he said.
Tillotson said the department knows some radioactive waste is properly handled. “Where the rest of it is going, we have no idea,” he said.


http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/bismarcktribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/5e/f5e20622-62b8-11e2-9db9-0019bb2963f4/50fb713e416fa.preview-620.jpg


Socks that glow in the dark??

fracking releasing radioactivity seems to be a problem in more than one place, what I want to know is why they are drilling in areas where there are known uranium deposits

not going to read the links . Question... do they identify what the type of "radioactive " material ? Everyone here in NY potentially have 'radioactive ' homes because of radon. Well if we can't dig wells because of radon concerns then none of us would be able to drink water unless it came from a lake in the Catskills .

If you read the links, your questions would be answered.

Look in a bastion of freedom they are not going to ban anything even if it is publicly responsible. They won't ban smoking and they won't ban guns and both kill equal numbers. One day the population will wake up and say we have had enough but that day is a long way away

Look in a bastion of freedom they are not going to ban anything even if it is publicly responsible. They won't ban smoking and they won't ban guns and both kill equal numbers. One day the population will wake up and say we have had enough but that day is a long way away

The emperor's FDA is going to put the final nail in trans fats . That way the whole country can eat the slop that they feed the kids in Moochelle's lunch program.

In the good ole USA anything "trans" is accepted and celebrated .....except trans fats.

Stop complaining, she's right and so is he the time to have a more responsible community is here, and the trogladites will be carried kicking and screaming to the bon fire. you know Tom freedom isn't freedom if you have to die enjoying it

I usually read labels to avoid them . But why should the government be making the choice for me ?

In That way the whole country can eat the slop that they feed the kids in Moochelle's lunch program.
Yup. No more margarine dumped on those wholesome veggies.

I usually read labels to avoid them . But why should the government be making the choice for me ?

They aren't making the choice for you. They are telling industries to stop poisoning people. You still have plenty of options to poison yourself though Tom.

Look there are all sorts of additives in processed food, you are not being given a choice whether you consume those substances other than total rejection of the product, but you are trying to tell me a government who tells these industries to clean up their act is acting against your interests, your freedom. If you want to consume salt, sugar and these other substances pore them on yourself, they are freely available.

Yup. No more margarine dumped on those wholesome veggies.
I use only olive oil and butter in my cooking . But margarine became the alternative when the government told us that the healthier alternative butter was bad for us . Suppose they had banned butter then ?

You still haven't got it fats get changed by cooking, all life is a lottery. I live in regime where there are lots of things I cannot eat, It's sad because some of them I like

I live in regime where there are lots of things I cannot eat, It's sad because some of them I likeLike what?

Broccoli, pasta, red wine, fruit juice the list is long

so you are talking about personal restrictions ? Good point. Foods that some people can't eat for health reasons ....maybe the government should ban them too .

All those lactose-intolerant people may eliminate ice cream from our food group.

Yes Tom I'm talking about personal restrictions but if more were known maybe some of these so called health foods should be on the banned list or at least their properties publicised

Broccoli, pasta, red wine, fruit juice the list is longThose are outlawed in Australia?

No Karma, when you suffer from certain complaints these and other foods make the problem worse or may even be the source

So what does your personal issues have to do with the discussion?

What does anything have to do with our conversation? As I recall this thread is about banned substances so the relevance is that I suggest some be banned.

Apparently history has been banned.

Or altered speech If we are lucky very soon the country of origin will be required on all foods

The news that the US Supreme Court had approved gay marriage swept into our news and swept out just as fast. Many things were instantly more important and that's the way it should be. Is the world fimally getting some perspective?

Seems the perspective is to harm those that dont sgree with your opinion so long as you belong to the favored class.

Right now in the U.S. the liberals are having a feild day and they dont even realize how they are destroying the country. They think its all going to last forever but soon the well will run dry and they wont have a clue as to what to do.

Right now in the U.S. the liberals are having a feild day and they dont even realize how they are destroying the country. They think its all going to last forever but soon the well will run dry and they wont have a clue as to what to do.Replace "liberals" with "conservatives" and the statement can also be true.

Replace "liberals" with "conservatives" and the statement can also be true.


If you think that is true then you really need to look at what is really going on. Im not seeing conservatives pass laws that cost billions to poor people and hide from the content of the laws until it is passed. I dont see conservatives wanting to give hand outs over and over thinking all they have to do is fire up the money presses and it is paid for. Real people are suffering from liberal laws and behavior. Look at all the cities and states that are near or are going bankrupt and you will see they are and have been under liberal control for decades. Not all problems are solved by simply throwing more money at them.

And of course the conservative solution is the only solution. No compromise possible.

If you think that is true then you really need to look at what is really going on. Im not seeing conservatives pass laws that cost billions to poor people and hide from the content of the laws until it is passed. I dont see conservatives wanting to give hand outs over and over thinking all they have to do is fire up the money presses and it is paid for. Real people are suffering from liberal laws and behavior. Look at all the cities and states that are near or are going bankrupt and you will see they are and have been under liberal control for decades. Not all problems are solved by simply throwing more money at them.
Oh, yes. Check out what's happening in Illinois with basic services to the disabled, the elderly,and children, thanks to a Republican governor.

Made news here in China, China feels that Americans are violent people who can not control their sexual urges and live immoral lives with just lust of sex, money and power.

And it also is a joke here that America now has a emperor called the Supreme Court that has taken away the republic and any form of democracy.
So to at least some parts of the world, America is a laughing stock at the changes happening.

You know Chuck america has been a laughing stock for sometime, unfortunately they don't know it. Daesh is laughing in Iraq, China is laughing in the south china sea, North Korea is laughing, Russia is laughing and so is Iran, meanwhile america gives into human weakness and lust and calls it utopia. I'm sure all the BTGLP will flock to america now and all I can say we will be well rid of them

Made news here in China, China feels that Americans are violent people who can not control their sexual urges and live immoral lives with just lust of sex, money and power.

And it also is a joke here that America now has a emperor called the Supreme Court that has taken away the republic and any form of democracy.
So to at least some parts of the world, America is a laughing stock at the changes happening.
The cruelest cut is that John Roberts made it clear during his confirmation that he opposed judicial activism and legislating from the bench. He has twice changed the ACA with the stroke of his pen. He is an unelected uber-legislator

There is no recourse against SCOTUS tyranny . The last time a justice was subject to impeachment was in 1801 . Jefferson want to rid the country of Samuel Chase's services. He was impeached for allowing his partisan leanings to affect his decisions . The Senate voted to acquit Chase of all charges . Since then associate justices have had virtual immunity even when there was no doubt about certain justices incompetence.
It would take an Amendment to put term limits on SCOTUS . There is no way the traditional way of getting amendments would get the job done. But if there was an Article 5 "application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states," .... to "call a convention for proposing amendments",perhaps the course of the country could be righted .

The is also a recourse for tyranny Tom, something about liberty being refreshed in blood of course those are old ideas held closely by those who wrote your constitution and long forgotten, they probably died out after the civil war to be replaced with flowery speech and filibusters

Your much beloved founders wrote the rules and now you holler foul?

They weren't my founders, my founders wrote a constitution it is very hard to change and as a result we don't have all this constitutional bullcrap, of course, we had a hundred years of observing your mistakes to guide us

I directed my comments to Tom, but will remark our constitutions is as hard to change also, but can be challenged. There is a process in place. Good you learned from our mistakes, and good luck learning from your own.

Your much beloved founders wrote the rules and now you holler foul?

Jefferson yelled foul long before I did .

"You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots."



An Article 5 Convention is within the rules .

Go for it.

Yes Tal we continually learn from our own mistakes and thus we don't need to resort to constitutional constraints to keep our legislature in line