The People's Republic of NYC may ban vaping because it looks bad.

New York City May Ban Vaping Because It Looks Like Smoking - Hit & Run : Reason.com (http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/28/new-york-city-may-ban-vaping-because-it)

I can't imagine there is anything more pressing than preventing people from enjoying a safe alternative to cigarettes, can you?

Doesn't surprise me at all. de Blasio is nanny Bloomy on steroids . He will continue all of Bloomy's ban and add some off the wall ones on his own. Coming soon ;a ban on horse drawn carriages in Central Park in the name of animal rights.

can't see the point of banning something that does away with cigarette smoke, unless the tobacco companies support your campaign. do they also ban candy cigarettes?

It's unsafe to knit

Surely this is first for any nanny state?

Knitting nannas in court over purler of a protest against logging at Mount St Leonard (http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/knitting-nannas-in-court-over-purler-of-a-protest-against-logging-at-mount-st-leonard-20131130-2yiow.html)

peaceful protesters charged over the disturbance of knitting

these vapor cigs were invented to wean people off tobacco.What happened instead is that they are hooking a new generation on tobacco because they are cool and flavored .Also people can use them undetected indoors so it's become a trend for smokers to take the smokeless ones into bars ,concerts etc.

And of course the pot crowd have discovered vaporizers for pot too. They are expensive ....the Pax vaporizer goes for about $250 . Since the user doesn't inhale some of the toxins inherent in smoke inhalation ,it's probably a positive development over the alternatives.

I guess they weren't using wood chairs . What's wrong with responsible logging ?

The question is when is it responsible? these protests are about old growth forests, pristine areas, noone protests about plantation forest harvesting, just about destruction of old growth forest to establish plantations; it's a hardwood v softwood debate

The whole point of this thread besides the silliness of the world around us is to protest AMHD allowing the last thread to exceed their limits and making over 100 posts to disappear.

much better to keep the old growth forest "pristine " until nature does it's thing and burns it down.

Don't be a cynic Tom, we love our old growth forest and don't want multinational timber companies profiting from them any more than we want multinational agribusiness profiting from our wheat crop.
We have the will to defy multinationalism!

The whole point of this thread besides the silliness of the world around us is to protest AMHD allowing the last thread to exceed their limits and making over 100 posts to disappear.

yes what happened to it ?

It disappeared

along with all the contributions by the members ? Ridiculous !! Many of the comments were supported by research requiring a significant amount of the contributor's time .

Don't weep Tom we all get ignored some of the time

Not much of value was lost. It's gets repetitive.

Not much of value was lost. It's gets repetitive.

Thank you for your always thoughtful responses.

No problems. That was a good example. :-)

As always, a fountain of information dispensed with humility.

NK of course was speaking about his own contributions .

Of course.
Hey, how come you guys never post on the Politics board?

NK of course was speaking about his own contributions .

I'm not allowed to say such things. Apparently everyone here is free to hurl insults and provoke while I shut up and behave. Oops, there I go again. I feel an infraction coming.

:p

Thank you for your always thoughtful responses.

You're welcome again. Bless you.

Do you think this is why that thread no longer exists

I don't care what the cause was .... there were multiple contributors to the op and their work should not just disappear .

Do you think this is why that thread no longer exists

No, it exceeded their 1500 post limit. What I don't get is why days after they closed it they shaved off the extra posts they allowed or why certain people are allowed more latitude than others.

I don't care what the cause was .... there were multiple contributors to the op and their work should not just disappear .


Let's face it you can't take being dissed. I contributed, can't really remember what, and it's all history now anyway, it was good for a laugh at the time and time to move on to what is happening today.

There is import news they are banning drop bears in Australia, the big white ones in Bundie ads anyway

Nah, I can take being dissed. I despise separate rules.

Ok, back to the thread.

'Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American geneticist | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Ok, back to the thread.

'Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American geneticist | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Now I can see how some people might think that, so it's not evolution, but hybridation followed by adaptation. Something has to be recognised, all creatures on Earth have a certain amout of common DNA, this is one reason why evolution is thought to exist. What we have here is an example of why it doesn't exist. Pigs, didn't evolve into men, Chimpanzee's didn't evolve into men and I strongly suspect that a oneoff animal hybrid, which was likely to be a mule, didn't either. The hyphophis being put forward here is that pigs and chimps were frequently interacting. If anyone has seen film of chimp society they will know there is a great deal of violence and the possibility of a hybrid infant surviving highly unlikely

It's come to this, the regime has labeled (https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/statuses/407613456158687232) its young supporters WHYouth. Creepy.


At 8pm ET, join @KalPenn, @HealthCareTara & @YI_Care for a Hangout on young people & #Obamacare. Ask Qs w/ #WHYouth: http://go.wh.gov/AZjAxB
2:53 PM - 2 Dec 2013

Ben Shaprio reacts:

Naturally, mocking ensues after the #WHYouth (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WHyouth&src=typd) hashtag. It was a typo, shuold have been #WHJugend (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WHJugend&src=hash) according to Charles C.W.Cooke.

Perhaps this is why Obama is going after #WHYouth, he's lost young adults (http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/millennials-abandon-obama-and-obamacare-20131204).

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=34444&width=300

Obamas numbers are bad but yours are not that good either.

Republican approval rating falls to lowest point in Gallup poll history - Politicssource (http://blog.timesunion.com/politicssource/republican-approval-rating-falls-to-lowest-point-in-gallup-poll-history/5897/)

Obamas numbers are bad but yours are not that good either.

Republican approval rating falls to lowest point in Gallup poll history - Politicssource (http://blog.timesunion.com/politicssource/republican-approval-rating-falls-to-lowest-point-in-gallup-poll-history/5897/)

You give me spin from a 2 month old poll? Congress' approval is lower than a salesman (http://washingtonexaminer.com/new-low-for-congress-just-6-percent-approve-finally-lower-than-car-salespeople/article/2539953), and that includes Democrats.

well those numbers arn't too bad for a supposedly unpopular president, the swinging vote has swung once again

well those numbers arn't too bad for a supposedly unpopular president, the swinging vote has swung once again

His ratings are lower than Bush's at this point.

His ratings are lower than Bush's at this point.

It is only important in relation to the upcoming midterm election

edit

Just in time for the big #WHYouth kickoff, HHS has chosen a $2000 winner in it's Obamacare propaganda contest with a video called "Forget About The Price Tag." No, seriously.


Without a hint of irony, McDonald sings her chorus: “Ain’t about the, uh, cha-ching cha-ching. Ain’t about the, yeah, bla-bling bla-bling. Affordable Care Act. Don’t worry ’bout the price tag.”

Read more: 'Forget About The Price Tag' video wins HHS Obamacare prize | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/04/not-a-joke-video-called-forget-about-the-price-tag-wins-hhs-grand-prize-for-promoting-obamacare/#ixzz2mbyYKSLy)


Aren't any of you true believers starting to see how creepy this regime is?

It doesn't bother you that everyone thinks you guys are creepier than the regime?

It doesn't bother you that everyone thinks you guys are creepier than the regime?

Unpopular? Yeah, so are Democrats and increasingly - Obama. No one can out-creepy this regime.

Read the news, everybody is pissed about working hard at minimum wage jobs and being on food stamps which you guys are cutting. Don't pay 'em, don't help 'em, because they are addicted to the sugar.

Read the news, everybody is pissed about working hard at minimum wage jobs.

Wow, you got the memo, too.

Well how the hell does a 40 year old minimum wage earner with two teen age kids pay their utility bills, and feed the three of them?

Well how the hell does a 40 year old minimum wage earner with two teen age kids pay their utility bills, and feed the three of them?

Get a different job. Oh that's right, there are none. I'm pretty sure that qualifies her for all manner of government assistance and tax credits, especially if her employer had to turn her full time job into a part time job thanks to Obamacare. Raise the minimum to $15 and let's see how long she has that job.

Giving CEO's millions in raises didn't ruin his job, and cutting his taxes didn't either.

Giving CEO's millions in raises didn't ruin his job, and cutting his taxes didn't either.

And that's why a 40 year old is working a minimum wage job?

Try and keep up, we lost million and millions of jobs during the global meltdown, and millions before that when factory jobs were sent overseas. They have been replaced mostly with minimum wage service jobs. To add to all those displaced workers who had good jobs more women and young people compete for those jobs too, and that make for more people than jobs.

Yeah that 40 year old who wants to work takes what he can, so does the 28 year old female with kids, after her divorce, and there are millions of stories like that. Now I am not against making jobs in Mexico, or India, but taking care of USA should come first, right? I mean those low wage workers need assistance, oh maybe not the kid with pimples but that mom or dad with kids does, and that comes out of everybody's pocket, which some don't mind, but many do, and don't want to give them a damn thing, but would rather take it away from them.

With me so far? Good, Now the guy who makes millions (BILLIONS EVEN) and rides planes doesn't want to pay a fair or living wage, so he threatens to raise the price of whatever he sells, AND gets all kind of tax breaks and money shelters to keep him rich. So why should he care about the low wage workers who make him rich?

SO!! To sum up the rich guy who gets the tax breaks and shelters, also get workers that need food stamps to supplement a poverty level income. And that's how we get working poor people, with mouths to feed of ALL ages. Just think, a .5% increase in taxes would make some really good jobs for skilled laborers building bridges, and roads and save us a lot of loot on that social safety net. But if you rather go back to workers organizing and demanding more money or shutdown Wendy's and McDonalds, that's cool too.

Caught up yet?

Try and keep up, we lost million and millions of jobs during the global meltdown, and millions before that when factory jobs were sent overseas. They have been replaced mostly with minimum wage service jobs. To add to all those displaced workers who had good jobs more women and young people compete for those jobs too, and that make for more people than jobs.

Yeah that 40 year old who wants to work takes what he can, so does the 28 year old female with kids, after her divorce, and there are millions of stories like that. Now I am not against making jobs in Mexico, or India, but taking care of USA should come first, right? I mean those low wage workers need assistance, oh maybe not the kid with pimples but that mom or dad with kids does, and that comes out of everybody's pocket, which some don't mind, but many do, and don't want to give them a damn thing, but would rather take it away from them.

With me so far? Good, Now the guy who makes millions (BILLIONS EVEN) and rides planes doesn't want to pay a fair or living wage, so he threatens to raise the price of whatever he sells, AND gets all kind of tax breaks and money shelters to keep him rich. So why should he care about the low wage workers who make him rich?

SO!! To sum up the rich guy who gets the tax breaks and shelters, also get workers that need food stamps to supplement a poverty level income. And that's how we get working poor people, with mouths to feed of ALL ages. Just think, a .5% increase in taxes would make some really good jobs for skilled laborers building bridges, and roads and save us a lot of loot on that social safety net. But if you rather go back to workers organizing and demanding more money or shutdown Wendy's and McDonalds, that's cool too.

Caught up yet?

What exactly had Obama dine to create jobs? I mean besides those for his green energy cronies making gazillions at taxpayer expense.

Ask the job creators why they have a title they can't live up to. I can't believe all of a sudden the prez is supposed to create jobs. Is it his fault you guys don't believe in building roads, bridges, and schools? Those are good paying skill jobs and there is plenty of work, and interest rates are at an all time low. Hell they were at 0.

You can't ask rich guys who use those roads and bridges to help? They don't pay taxes anyway. And you say we are broke and can do NOTHING? That's the best you got?

What exactly had Obama dine to create jobs? I mean besides those for his green energy cronies making gazillions at taxpayer expense.
But..but green energy jobs are the jobs of the future, takes a lot of skill to erect those towers and lots of steel to make them

Melissa "you're children don't belong to you but don't I look great in tampon earrings" Harris-Perry has just informed us that the term "Obamacare" is basically just like using the N-word.


I want to talk today about a controversial word. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/08/melissa_harris_perry_likens_derogatory_term_obamac are_to_the_n-word.html) It’s a word that has been with us for years. And like it or not, it’s indelibly printed in the pages of American history. A word that was originally intended as a derogatory term, meant to shame and divide and demean. The word was conceived of by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man. To render him inferior and unequal and to diminish his accomplishments.

President Obama has been labelled with this word by his opponents. And at first he rose above it, hoping that if he could just make a cause for what he achieved, his opponents would fail in making their label stick. But no matter how many successes that he had as president, he realized there were still many people for whom he’d never be anything more than that one disparaging word. A belief he knew was held not just by his political opponents, but also by a significant portion of the American electorate.

And so he decided, if you can’t beat them, you’ve got to join them. And he embraced the word and made it his own, sending his opposition a message they weren’t expecting -- 'if that’s what you want me to be, I’ll be that.' Y’all know the word that I’m talking about. Obamacare. That's right! I said it and I’m not ashamed and neither is President Obama. Because he knows that of all his victories over two terms in office his legacy is ultimately going to be remembered for this one single word.

Um, Melissa dear, perhaps you aren't old enough to remember "Hillarycare," or forgot about "Romneycare," or didn't do your due diligence and discover that the term wasn't coined by rich white men at all (http://www.thewire.com/politics/2011/10/who-coined-obamacare/44183/), it's just named after the guy behind it just like the others and just as much actual legislation is referred to after the authors, like McCain-Feingold.

Obama gave it to us, he's going to own it. You don't get to stir up racial BS and distance yourself from it because it's flopping.

Melissa "you're children don't belong to you but don't I look great in tampon earrings" Harris-Perry has just informed us that the term "Obamacare" is basically just like using the N-word.




Um, Melissa dear, perhaps you aren't old enough to remember "Hillarycare," or forgot about "Romneycare," or didn't do your due diligence and discover that the term wasn't coined by rich white men at all (http://www.thewire.com/politics/2011/10/who-coined-obamacare/44183/), it's just named after the guy behind it just like the others and just as much actual legislation is referred to after the authors, like McCain-Feingold.

Obama gave it to us, he's going to own it. You don't get to stir up racial BS and distance yourself from it because it's flopping.

it would seem from the debate that attaching the word care to the ACA is a serious mistake but there is nothing racial about it, it embraces all races

Who knew Kanye West had such an important and dangerous job?


"I'm just giving of my body on the stage and putting my life at risk, literally," West said to host Garrett, referring to his tour performances of songs like "Can't Tell Me Nothing" and "Coldest Winter," during which he stands on top of a moving mountain.

"That mountain goes really, really high," he continued. "And if I slipped … You never know. And I think about it. I think about my family and I'm like ‘Wow, this is like being a police officer or something, in war or something.’"

Read more: Kanye West compares his work to police officers, soldiers at war - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/kanye-west-compares-work-police-officers-soldiers-war-article-1.1542402#ixzz2n5CdA3Ua)

No Kanye, it's not. Shut up and sing.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


Alan Grayson Lost $18 Million In Investment Fraud Scheme (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/09/alan-grayson-investment-fraud_n_4414872.html)

McLEAN, Va. (AP) — U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida lost $18 million in a scheme that cheated him and about 120 other investors out of more than $35 million, according to court papers.

The Virginia man who ran the scheme, William Dean Chapman, was sentenced Friday in federal court to 12 years in prison. Prosecutors say Chapman used the money to fund a lavish lifestyle including a Lamborghini, a Ferrari and a $3 million home.

In most of the court papers, Grayson's identity is protected — prosecutors say only that an elected official with the initials A.G. was the primary victim — but documents twice mention Grayson by name. The Democratic congressman on Monday confirmed he is the A.G. mentioned in the documents.

Nothing in the court papers suggests Grayson was anything but a victim of the scheme. Grayson, a former trial attorney, said he has had a long record for picking winning stocks, which formed the basis for his personal fortune.

If he had $18 million to lose he should have shared it with those of us less fortunate. But I get it, it's the railing against greedy capitalists and advocating for the downtrodden that counts, not leading by example.

Why can't he do both? I mean Ted rails against poor people getting insurance while he and his wife have a Cadillac plan and that doesn't bother you guys at all.

Why can't he do both? I mean Ted rails against poor people getting insurance while he and his wife have a Cadillac plan and that doesn't bother you guys at all.

Contrary to your MSNBC/Daily KOS/Democratic Underground alternate reality, Republicans don't hate poor people and want to deny them health care, but feel free to point out where Cruz has taken that position. But always interesting to watch you defend your rich, white liberal friends.

Contrary to your MSNBC/Daily KOS/Democratic Underground alternate reality, Republicans don't hate poor people and want to deny them health care, but feel free to point out where Cruz has taken that position. But always interesting to watch you defend your rich, white liberal friends.

I have all kinds of friends, rich, poor and various colors and creeds (Yes TParty conservatives too!! ). But fact is you guys always are coming up with cuts and exclusions of poor people and give free stuff to your rich white conservative friends, and the votes and bills bear that out are public record.

>Too many links to back that up<

I have all kinds of friends, rich, poor and various colors and creeds (Yes TParty conservatives too!! ). But fact is you guys always are coming up with cuts and exclusions of poor people and give free stuff to your rich white conservative friends, and the votes and bills bear that out are public record.

>Too many links to back that up<

Dude, still in that alternate reality I see. Your side has no room to talk on freebies, cronyism, special favors, kickbacks to political friends (http://usfinancepost.com/will-eric-holders-deal-could-a-new-mortgage-crisis-10558.html), etc. And as far helping the poor it is your side that should be ashamed. Your motto is "Why give of ourselves when we can redistribute (steal) yours?"

Your photo op image of the day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbIusaLCQAEMYH9.png

There's been a bunch of them this week by the emperor. He's like Forest Gump. He's got an image of himself to celebrate every major event of the day .
For Mandela he published photos of him reading the news on a computer screen . The he posted an image of himself in Mandela's jail cell.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bawd4q8CEAEZL4v.jpg

It was reminiscent of the photo published when Rosa Park passed away. The photo had him in the bus seat that Rosa Park sat in during her protest .
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/574976/original.jpg

Saturday was Pearl Harbor Day . So of course he superimposed himself on that event too.
http://nation.foxnews.com/sites/nation.foxnews.com/files/styles/story_624_300/public/ObamaPearlHarbor120913.jpg

Best one of the day (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/410452903850422272/photo/1) at the Mandela memorial...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbI4vcQIEAEEyDA.jpg:large

If only he were copping a feel like Christie that would be golden.

Hey I like to look on Michelles face', total disgust, she must be great fun at a picnic

There is another photo where Madame Michelle Defarge sits in the seat between the emperor and the Danish PM ,Helle Thorning-Schmidt ,and gives her a shoulder check.

Gotta wonder if that is appropriate behavior by heads of state at memorial services.

Hey I like to look on Michelles face', total disgust, she must be great fun at a picnic

You know it's bad news when you need Secret Service to protect you from your own wife.I think the emperor will be sleeping in Bo's dog house tonight.

Given the antics of various presidents I would say that is why the "secret service" was formed

39 out of 44 presidents are suspected of infidelity making the secret service the enablers

Well I expect Ex will be throwing an party tonight and buying some plane tickets.

Uruguay to legalize marijuana, Senate says - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/10/world/americas/uruguay-marijuana-legalization/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

This will be an interesting experiement. Now we get to test whether legalisation does deal with trafficing or just creates legal production for export. What next? will Columbia legalise cocaine? Will Afghanistan legalise poppy growing?

This represents a revolution in thinking. All the arguments will now be reexamined and it is to be expected that tobacco has found a new product to pollute the atmosphere with

What's a Benghazi?

jEeX8q1NQ4w


Not Kuster's Last Stand, Alas | National Review Online (http://m.nationalreview.com/corner/365912/not-kusters-last-stand-alas-mark-steyn)

The Democrats had a very good night in New Hampshire in November 2012, and swept away, among many others, my congressman. Charlie Bass was nobody’s idea of a rock-ribbed conservative, but he wasn’t an idiot. By contrast, look at Bass’s successor, Democrat Annie Kuster, when asked a question about Benghazi.

First, she has no idea what “Benghazi” is.

Then, pleading in mitigation that she’s there to talk about the Middle East, she reveals that she has no idea where Benghazi is.

Finally, when her constituents helpfully point out that Benghazi is in Libya, she turns to the side and gives that pitiful look that is the single thing I most loathe about American politics – the look a floundering empty suit gives to her minder when she needs him to come and rescue her. Which the minder immediately does.

This isn’t an especially partisan point, but I’m so weary of post-modern ventriloquist’s dummies who can’t be allowed near their constituents without the protection of a phalanx of aides. In this video, the voters are well-informed, but they have a low-information Congresswoman.

Hey I like to look on Michelles face', total disgust, she must be great fun at a picnic
Looking at the collection of photos with the emperor ,the PMs of Great Britain and Denmark's PM .....I'd say that ONLY Michele was acting appropriately for the occasion.

I'd have to agree.

Oops.

'Fake' sign language interpreter at Nelson Mandela memorial provokes anger - World News (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/11/21860157-fake-sign-language-interpreter-at-nelson-mandela-memorial-provokes-anger?lite)

Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/michigan-rape-insurance_n_4428432.html)

War on women?

Affluenza Defense: Rich Kid Ethan Couch Kills 4 People, Gets No Jail Time - International Digital Times (http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/21134/20131212/affluenza-defense-rich-kid-ethan-couch-kills.htm)

Two Americas?

and?

since when didn't the rich get a break

The moron Judge's name is Jean Hudson Boyd. Her term expires next year . I assume she won't be running for reelection .She decided it was better that the kid rehab at one of those Kalifornia country club rehab clinics. Evidently Texas doesn't have a similar facility .

Best one of the day (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/410452903850422272/photo/1) at the Mandela memorial...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbI4vcQIEAEEyDA.jpg:large

If only he were copping a feel like Christie that would be golden.

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-121613-nero-IBD-COLOR-FINAL-for-WEEKEND.gif.cms

Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/michigan-rape-insurance_n_4428432.html)

War on women?

Affluenza Defense: Rich Kid Ethan Couch Kills 4 People, Gets No Jail Time - International Digital Times (http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/21134/20131212/affluenza-defense-rich-kid-ethan-couch-kills.htm)

Two Americas?

As to the first, the part of the story you omitted. The voters of Michigan apparently wanted this, but I get how that is irrelevant if they want something that goes against your wishes.


But the anti-abortion group Right to Life of Michigan was able to collect more than 300,000 voter signatures on a petition this year to force a second vote on the measure. Having been passed by both chambers, the bill automatically becomes law now, even without Snyder's approval.

Of course your side has to sensationalize the whole thing as "rape insurance" instead of being a simple matter of checking a box on your application of whether or not you want that coverage.

As to the second, he apparently had some good lawyers. Something wrong with not making the kid take responsibility for loss of life while a teen driving her drunk friend home gets punished and a six year old gets a sexual harassment rap for kissing a girl's hand.

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-121613-nero-IBD-COLOR-FINAL-for-WEEKEND.gif.cms

Photo of the day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbS1pA-CEAAa-vs.jpg

McCain: 'Think I'll take the stares....uhh ,I mean stairs '

The Michigan legislature gave 300,000 voters their blessing, but will it meet constitutional muster and over ride the federal law? We'll see.

I won't comment on a teen who wasn't tried as an adult in Texas for killing 4 people while drunk. Money talks and he was in the right America.

Congratulations Media Matters...


Media Matters Declares Victory: 'The War On Fox Is Over' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/media-matters-fox_n_4433207.html)

Since its founding in 2004, the progressive watchdog group Media Matters for America has been a thorn in the side of Fox News. Its dozens of staffers monitor the network's leadership, hosts, guests and financial dealings incessantly, calling out misinformation, conflicts of interest and evidence of a partisan agenda, in a bid to shed light on the workings of the right-wing echo chamber.

But in the coming years, Fox will no longer be the center of Media Matters' universe. That's because the group believes it has effectively discredited the network's desire to be seen as "fair and balanced."

"The war on Fox is over," said Media Matters Executive Vice President Angelo Carusone. "And it's not just that it's over, but it was very successful. To a large extent, we won."

Not exactly sure what it is they won, Fox still exceeds the ratings of the other big three cable news networks combined. But congratulations, I'm sure Fox is feeling the sting.

Hello again, Steve:

In MY world, being popular doesn't mean you're truthful.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

In MY world, being popular doesn't mean you're truthful.

excon

In MY world being untruthful doesn't make you popular. If it did MSNBC would be the ratings king.

Hello again, Steve:

Lemme say it again. Ratings and truth are NOT synonymous..

Liberals don't LIKE to be told WHAT to believe. Right wingers, NEED to be told what to believe.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Lemme say it again. Ratings and truth are NOT synonymous..

Liberals don't LIKE to be told WHAT to believe. Right wingers, NEED to be told what to believe.

excon

Actually ex, you have that exactly backwards. That's why libs watch MSNBC and conservatives don't. I suspect it also has something to do with why Media Matters is waving the white flag, people aren't interested in their BS.

Photo of the day, VP Joe Biden groping a White House reporter, The Hill's Aime Parnes.

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/1495974_10151741702452805_1721795909_o-620x413.jpg

Yeah, it's Republicans that don't respect women.

That's groping? Wow, people get offended at anything these days.
BTW is Biden speaking for all Democrats?

Well at least he got the better of government and not the other way around...

Climate change expert's fraud was 'crime of massive proportion,' say feds - Investigations (http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/16/21911592-climate-change-experts-fraud-was-crime-of-massive-proportion-say-feds?lite)


The EPA’s highest-paid employee and a leading expert on climate change deserves to go to prison for at least 30 months for lying to his bosses and saying he was a CIA spy working in Pakistan so he could avoid doing his real job, say federal prosecutors.

John C. Beale, who pled guilty in September to bilking the government out of nearly $1 million in salary and other benefits over a decade, will be sentenced in a Washington, D.C., federal court on Wednesday. In a newly filed sentencing memo, prosecutors said that his lies were a "crime of massive proportion" that were “offensive” to those who actually do dangerous work for the CIA.

Beale’s lawyer, while acknowledging his guilt, has asked for leniency and offered a psychological explanation for the climate expert’s bizarre tales.
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“With the help of his therapist,” wrote attorney John Kern, “Mr. Beale has come to recognize that, beyond the motive of greed, his theft and deception were animated by a highly self-destructive and dysfunctional need to engage in excessively reckless, risky behavior.” Kern also said Beale was driven “to manipulate those around him through the fabrication of grandiose narratives … that are fueled by his insecurities.”

The two sentencing memos, along with documents obtained by NBC News, offer new details about what some officials describe as one of the most audacious, and creative, federal frauds they have ever encountered.

When he first began looking into Beale’s deceptions last February, “I thought, ‘Oh my God, How could this possibly have happened in this agency?” said EPA Assistant Inspector General Patrick Sullivan, who spearheaded the Beale probe, in an interview with NBC News. “I’ve worked for the government for 35 years. I’ve never seen a situation like this.”

Beyond Beale’s individual fate, his case raises larger questions about how he was able to get away with his admitted fraud for so long, according to federal and congressional investigators. Two new reports by the EPA inspector general’s office conclude that top officials at the agency “enabled” Beale by failing to verify any of his phony cover stories about CIA work, and failing to check on hundreds of thousands of dollars paid him in undeserved bonuses and travel expenses -- including first-class trips to London where he stayed at five-star hotels and racked up thousands in bills for limos and taxis.

Until he retired in April after learning he was under federal investigation, Beale, an NYU grad with a masters from Princeton, was earning a salary and bonuses of $206,000 a year, making him the highest paid official at the EPA. He earned more money than Gina McCarthy, the agency’s administrator and, for years, his immediate boss, according to agency documents.

In September, Beale, who served as a “senior policy adviser” in the agency’s Office of Air and Radiation, pled guilty to defrauding the U.S. government out of nearly $900,000 since 2000. Beale perpetrated his fraud largely by failing to show up at the EPA for months at a time, including one 18-month stretch starting in June 2011 when he did “absolutely no work,” as Kern, Beale’s lawyer, acknowledged in his court filing.

Actually, I'm almost willing to pay the really, really smart people at the EPA not to do anything.

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, there are crooks in government... I'm SURE it was Obama's fault.

excon

Crooks, yep, shame we don't have competent managers, too.

It's come to this...

Pink Floyd star Roger Waters compares Israelis to Nazis | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524206/Pink-Floyd-star-Roger-Waters-compares-Israelis-Nazis.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

A lot of people end up comparing someone to the Nazis, that's why Godwin's Law exists. Waters loses. Though I still like his music.

BTW, what has come to that?

Crooks, yep, shame we don't have competent managers, too.

TParty guys are lousy managers, all holler no do. Obstruction, destruction, holler, scream, throw rocks and call names is not good management.

Tal, you really must stop projecting your side's failures on others. You and Jay Carney are sounding like Baghdad Bob.

It's come to this...

Pink Floyd star Roger Waters compares Israelis to Nazis | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524206/Pink-Floyd-star-Roger-Waters-compares-Israelis-Nazis.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

It's a shame that I'm going to have to destroy all my Floyd CDs .

I thought we were doing quite good dragging you guys forward despite all the kicking, and screaming. You underestimate our accomplishments and completely ignore the drag to positive progress has been your own lack of positive actions.

But I suppose the fear of drowning makes a guy who can't swim fight his rescuer. We can't let you guys drown, no matter how easy, or tempting the notion is.

Liberals realize you are just slowing things down and that's okay. You ain't STOPPING us though, forget it.

It's a shame that I'm going to have to destroy all my Floyd CDs I'm sure he'll be devastated to hear that.

I thought we were doing quite good dragging you guys forward despite all the kicking, and screaming. You underestimate our accomplishments and completely ignore the drag to positive progress has been your own lack of positive actions.

But I suppose the fear of drowning makes a guy who can't swim fight his rescuer. We can't let you guys drown, no matter how easy, or tempting the notion is.

Liberals realize you are just slowing things down and that's okay. You ain't STOPPING us though, forget it.

Yep, Baghdad Bob is back. Only a guy that thinks the crap sandwich we have today is progress. You just set me back a thousand bucks and gave me worse coverage, screw you're "progress."

Speech - come to Canada! :-)

Or Speech could come to Australia. At least the Cowboys are going pretty well here. Different game though.

Aussie Footie?

Aussie Footie?

Yes we do play "football" here, there are a lot of codes because when you come down to it we are not a nation of spectators. Our football choices are as varied as the backgrounds of our immigrant populations. not having many immigrants from the USA we don't play that colourful game you are addicted to

Yes, Rugby League. There is also Rugby Union and Australian Rules. Rugby Union was played in the US in the early part of this century. It was banned because of the flying wedge V formation. Instead of banning the move they banned the game and invented their own.

This is much as I remember, but perhaps someone can do the research if they wish.

which century was that Tutt? according to the research there are 450,000 rugby players in the US, who would have thought? we should send the All Blacks and the Wallabys over for a demonstration tour, they need to learn the hakka so they can toughen up and join the A league. they even allow women to play.

By the way Tutt you forgot Soccer, a popular game in Australia

Or Speech could come to Australia. At least the Cowboys are going pretty well here. Different game though.

I can watch it from my recliner. Though I'd come much closer to moving down under than up there, I hate winter.

Winter is awesome. My kids love it ergo I do too. Plus I've always played hockey, every year since I was 4.

It's come to this. People who couldn't bother to lift a finger to scrutinize the current president but can't their digits far enough up to probe a Republican are disappointed in their Messiah.

ZMfs8DomZI8


PIERS MORGAN, HOST: You have interviewed every president of my lifetime. Why is Obama facing so much opposition now? Why is he struggling so much to really fulfill the great flame of ambition and excitement that he was elected on originally in 2009?

BARBARA WALTERS: Well, you’ve touched on it to a degree. He made so many promises. We thought that he was going to be – I shouldn’t say this at Christmastime, but – the next messiah. And the whole ObamaCare, or whatever you want to call it, the Affordable Health Act, it just hasn’t worked for him, and he’s stumbled around on it, and people feel very disappointed because they expected more.

It’s very difficult when the expectations for you are very high. You’re almost better off when they are low and then they rise and rise. His were very high and they’ve dropped. But you know, he still has several years to go. What does he have, three years, Piers? And, you know, there will be a lot of changes, one thinks in that time.

I almost feel sorry for her. Almost. Nah, I don't feel sorry for anyone disappointed by The One, we warned you.

Right wing credibility to govern is even more damaged than Obama's and while you guys have loud stiff opposition, he has taken everything you have thrown at him, and rebounded every time.

What makes you think he won't yet again?

We don't have to throw anything at Obama, he's shot himself in the foot enough. But it is kind of sad watching so many people not only in denial, but still clinging to hope in The Messiah. Eventually you guys are going to have to come to terms with the fact that everything is not Bush's fault, though that seems unlikely.

Five Years Later, Democrats Still Blame Bush (http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/12/17/Five-Years-Later-Democrats-Still-Blame-Bush)

How George W. Bush Evolved From the Uncoolest Person on the Planet to Bona Fide Hipster Icon | Vanity Fair (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2013/12/george-w-bush-cade-foster-hipster-paintings)

And let me add, new temple of the Messiah adviser John Podesta thinks Republicans are "a cult worthy of Jonestown" (I can hear the ironic amens here already). Oliver Knox at Yahoo News reacts (http://news.yahoo.com/new-obama-aide--sorry-for-comparing-house-gop-to-deadly-cult-163508339.html;_ylt=A2KLOzFG1bFS3R8A0DzQtDMD):


In a notable de-escalation of the White House's rhetorical war on its critics, an incoming senior adviser to President Barack Obama has compared House Republicans and the tea party to the infamous Jonestown cult that was behind one of the worst mass-murders of civilians in history. And then apologized.

The comment in question came from John Podesta, a veteran of political knife-fights under Bill Clinton. Podesta later apologized on Twitter, saying “my snark got in front of my judgment.”

“I apologize to Speaker Boehner, whom I have always respected,” Podesta tweeted.

Still, how is that first comment a de-escalation, you ask, quite reasonably? Well, it really wasn't that long ago that the White House was unrepentantly comparing the House GOP and the tea party to terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests. This is arguably a little less inflammatory. The United States isn't waging a global military campaign against cults, after all. Or that could just be my snark getting in front of my judgment?

I guess there's hope after all. Next thing you know libs will stop stalking Republicans at funerals (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/democratic-group-apologizes-after-sending-tracker-to-memorial-service/).

It's come to this. People who couldn't bother to lift a finger to scrutinize the current president but can't their digits far enough up to probe a Republican are disappointed in their Messiah.

ZMfs8DomZI8



I almost feel sorry for her. Almost. Nah, I don't feel sorry for anyone disappointed by The One, we warned you.

You were the chosen one! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZNSzWIaLo)

It's come to this, the network that made a sensation out of some down home Christians has suspended the dad (http://abcnews.go.com/US/duck-dynasty-patriarch-suspended-gay-comments/story?id=21275150) from its cash cow for expressing his Christian beliefs.

I suspect he will be back in no time once they finish getting hammered hard enough.

for expressing his Christian beliefs

"made controversial comments equating homosexuality with bestiality"

Yep, those are christian beliefs all right.

Hello again, Steve:

Minister suspended (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/19/nation/la-na-nn-minister-sentenced-gay-wedding) 30 days for officiating at son's gay weddingI thought you meant THIS dad. He was expressing Christian beliefs too. No, huh?

excon

"made controversial comments equating homosexuality with bestiality"

Yep, those are christian beliefs all right.

He equated both with being sinful, not each other.


What, in your mind, is sinful?

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says.

He also stated this:


“I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.

“However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

That's Christianity.

Hello again, Steve:
I thought you meant THIS dad. He was expressing Christian beliefs too. No, huh?

excon

No, he is credentialed by the church and serves at their pleasure, he willfully and knowingly violated their policy. Phil was just talking.

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman Nah, he equated them, actually it seems that he puts homosexuality as more sinful than bestiality.

Phil was just talking.So talking is OK? Seems I see a lot of thread here that deal with what people said.

So talking is OK? Seems I see a lot of thread here that deal with what people said.

Yeah, so?

Smh

Sorry, I assumed you had a point but apparently not.

It's come to this, Obama's OFA is once again invading our holidays with Obamacare, featuring ... Pajamaboy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbuN8iJCMAA34dL.png:large

Naturally, intense mockery ensues (https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/413079861922508800). I miss the days when grownups ran the country.

Not be outdone, some gay group has their own Obamacare marketing plan...

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I have no words. I'm sure Phil Robertson doesn't either.

Sorry, I assumed you had a point but apparently not.Well considering that you either contradict yourself or make arguments that apply to others but not yourself it's pretty hard to have a discussion.

I miss the days when grownups ran the country.I miss the days when people weren't offended by everything.

Well considering that you either contradict yourself or make arguments that apply to others but not yourself it's pretty hard to have a discussion.

I'm sorry, have I suspended someone for expressing their beliefs? If I had you might have a point but I really can't find any relevance in your remark. Discussing things people say is hardly the same as suspending them for it in the name of tolerance. There is no contradiction on my part.


I miss the days when people weren't offended by everything.

Was I offended? No, you really shouldn't assume so much. I'm amused at the depths of stupidity and these people will go to and the stereotypes these anti-stereotype crusaders will exploit to promote the crap sandwich called Obamacare.

The irony of your comment...A&E just suspended a guy they've tolerated for millions in their bank account until now because someone got offended.

I don't think the redneck should be suspended, for the record. Similar and more ignorant things have been said on many reality TV shows - it's par for the course. Likely scripted for free publicity like most shows are.

Hello again, Steve:

until now because someone got offended.Nahhh... Until now, because he REVEALED himself.

Why aren't YOU offended??? It looks like you TOO think homosexuality equates to bestiality... Only someone who BELIEVES that tripe would be SURPRISED that people took offense... It's the legitimate rape thing all over again.. You've been talking to yourselves for so long, you have NO idea how offensive it truly is, until you reveal yourselves. Do you THINK this guy WOULD have said stuff like that if he KNEW it was HIGHLY offensive, and that he's LOSE his job over it??? Of course, he wouldn't, and you wouldn't post about it.

If the network kept him on KNOWING who he is, it wouldn't be the first time corporatism won out against doing the right thing.

excon

Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh... Until now, because he REVEALED himself.

Um, no, they knew EXACTLY who they had.


Why aren't YOU offended??? It looks like you TOO think homosexuality equates to bestiality...

Again, he did not equate homosexuality with bestiality. If anything it MIGHT be said he equated bestiality with heterosexual promiscuity hence the "morphs from there" line.


Only someone who BELIEVES that tripe would be SURPRISED that people took offense...

What is it with you people assuming so much bullsh*t? I am neither surprised some were offended or that they intolerantly and hypocritically want them sh*t-canned for intolerance.


It's the legitimate rape thing all over again.. You've been talking to yourselves for so long, you have NO idea how offensive it truly is, until you reveal yourselves. Do you THINK this guy WOULD have said stuff like that if he KNEW it was HIGHLY offensive, and that he's LOSE his job over it??? Of course, he wouldn't, and you wouldn't post about it.

No it isn't, it's a commonly held belief by more than just Christians. You guys get more worked up over a Christian believing same sex fornication is a sin, even though they still respect and love gays as people - than you do Islamic countries punishing it by death.

The difference between Phil and Glaad, as in the world at large, is Phil respects their right to offend and wouldn't exact revenge in an attempt to coerce everyone to think like them. That is what's offensive, not the Duck Dynasty guy.

even though they still respect and love gays as peopleThat isn't true at all and you know it.

That isn't true at all and you know it.

You calling him a liar? As a parent you should know love isn't dependent on behavior.

You don't parent grown adults unless they are YOUR children. And even then you may get rejected.

You don't parent grown adults unless they are YOUR children. And even then you may get rejected.

Really doesn't have anything to do with my point but OK.

You were the chosen one! YouTube

Tom, that's what happens when someone at the top upsets the natural order.



Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by the sun of york;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house.
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.

Now that our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums charged to merry meetings;
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.

Richard 111 by William Shakespeare

well done Tutt . I always love a good Shakespeare quote properly applied .

I think this guy got it right.


Duck Dynasty: The Show That Got Away

BY PAT ARCHBOLD Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:58 AM 

After A&E fired Phil Robertson for saying what every good Christian should believe, social media has been abuzz.  One of the recurring themes has been puzzlement about why A&E would cut off its nose to spite its face.  Duck Dynasty is the franchise right now. Why would they risk destroying their own cash cow?

To understand the why, we have to go back to the beginning.  Duck Dynasty is not the show that they wanted, it is the show that got away from them.

It seems what the producers intended and what A&E envisioned with the show is much different than the show that they ended up with, but they didn't do anything about it because it was so wildly popular and so wildly profitable.  But even with all the money, they have never really been comfortable with what happened.

This is what happened.  The whole idea of the show was to parade these nouveau riche Christian hillbillies around so that we could laugh at them. "Look at them," we were supposed to say.  "Look how backward they are!  Look what they believe!  Can you believe they really live this way and believe this stuff?  See how they don't fit in? HAHAHA"

When the producers saw the way the show was shaping up, different than they envisioned it, they tried to change course.  They tried to get the Robertson's to tone down their Christianity, but to their eternal credit they refused.  They tried to add fake cussin' to the show by inserting bleeps where no cussword was uttered.  At best, they wanted to make the Robertson's look like crass buffoons. At worst they wanted them to look like hypocrites.

They desperately wanted us to laugh at the Robertsons.  Instead, we loved them.

A&E wanted us to point fingers at them and laugh at them.  But something else happened entirely.  Millions upon millions of people tuned in, not to laugh at them, but to laugh with them. And then we pointed at them.  We pointed at them and said things like, "I wish my family was more like them.  I wish we prayed together as a family.  I wish we were together like the Robertsons."

By the time this all happened, A&E had a conundrum.  They knew who the Robertsons were and what they believe and they still held it in disdain.  But they really liked the money.  Really liked the money. So they lived with it.

But the progressives whose bank accounts were not growing fatter because of these backward rubes were never inclined to look the other way.  They hate the show and they really hate the response to the show.  They want it destroyed.

Many magazines and interviewers have tried to get the Robertsons to trip up so they could pounce.  When Phil backed the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality and added some personal asides about how he just couldn't understand it, they had their moment.

I suspect that the folks at A&E, who always disliked the positive Christian message in the show of which Phil is the primary proponent, saw their chance.  They want to keep the cash but dial down the Christianity.  With Phil out, perhaps they could get the show they always wanted.

I suspect that the Robertsons are more principled than that and A&E will end up disappointed on many levels.  The Roberstons are who they are and I suspect the money means a great deal more to A&E than it does to them.

It will be interesting to see whether A&E likes the money more than they hate the Christianity.  I wouldn't be surprised if the hate wins.

Read more: Duck Dynasty: The Show That Got Away |Blogs | NCRegister.com (http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/duck-dynasty-the-show-that-got-away-from-them#ixzz2o1FWt3DA)

Hello Steve:

Yes, he exhibited the beliefs of MOST Christians. But, that belief BANGS up against our vaunted Constitution. So, what do we do?? Do we CHANGE the Constitution to allow discrimination based on religion??

Nahhh... The Constitution TRUMPS your religion..

excon

Hello Steve:

Yes, he exhibited the beliefs of MOST Christians. But, that belief BANGS up against our vaunted Constitution. So, what do we do?? Do we CHANGE the Constitution to allow discrimination based on religion??

Nahhh... The Constitution TRUMPS your religion..

excon

The first amendment protects both his right to speak and his religious rights. There is no evidence of any discrimination here, unless you have this silly notion that criticism of one's lifestyle is discrimination. If that's the case, then GLAAD is discriminating against Phil Robertson. But you'll never see it that way, your side thinks discriminating against Christians, and doing your damnedest to mock them as in this case, is A-OK.

What has he done to discriminate except to express his religious beliefs ? Sorry ,it aint no secret that Christians think the homosexual act a sin.

This has nothing to so with free speech, it's a business decision by A&E. Not really worth our time in the grand scheme of things.

A&E's business sense sucks then . There are more people signing the petition against A&Es decision than there are signing up for Obamacare . I'm sure there are many other cable outlets more than willing to air the show .

What has he done to discriminate except to express his religious beliefs ? Sorry ,it aint no secret that Christians think the homosexual act a sin.
Hello again, tom:

But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog?? Or, that if we allow homosexual marriage, it MEANS that we're gonna allow man on dog NEXT???

Although it remains UNSAID, the obvious conclusion to your religious principles, IS discrimination... I just went right to the HEART of the issue, like I DO. You can PRETEND that's NOT what you want to do, but you don't fool me.

Nobody wants to STOP this guy from speaking.. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your free speech. The law cannot prosecute you for saying what you think, but people are perfectly free to dislike and shun you if you say despicable things.

They also have the right to FIRE you. I understand the family is pushing back. The REAL controversy here, is whether the network has a conscience, or a board of directors.

In any case, the show has lost its luster.. It's NEVER gonna be the top show again. I dunno WHY it was in the first place.

excon

Hello again, tom:

But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog?? Or, that if we allow homosexual marriage, it MEANS that we're gonna allow man on dog NEXT???

Again, you aren't arguing honestly. He did not equate homosexuality with bestiality, but even if he did what's that to you? Your side equates Republicans with terrorists and Jonestown cultists. You regularly mock Christians, the uniter-in-chief called us bitter clingers. You have no problem whatsoever impugning, insulting, offending, calling us haters, accuse of waging wars on women, anti-science flat-earthers and discriminating so spare me the faux outrage, you guys need to clean up your own act.


Although it remains UNSAID, the obvious conclusion to your religious principles, IS discrimination... I just went right to the HEART of the issue, like I DO. You can PRETEND that's NOT what you want to do, but you don't fool me.

Bullsh*t.


Nobody wants to STOP this guy from speaking.. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your free speech. The law cannot prosecute you for saying what you think, but people are perfectly free to dislike and shun you if you say despicable things.

They also have the right to FIRE you. I understand the family is pushing back. The REAL controversy here, is whether the network has a conscience, or a board of directors.

No one said there couldn't be consequences, A&E has every right to be intolerant, a$$hole hypocrites.


In any case, the show has lost its luster.. It's NEVER gonna be the top show again. I dunno WHY it was in the first place.

Nah, another network would be more than happy to take it on the following will continue. This intolerant nonsense is making them even more popular.

Hello again, Steve:

Bullsh*t.Are you telling me that you DIDN'T fight every push to legalize gay marriage... And that you WOULDN'T make it ILLEGAL again, IF you got a right wing congress and a right wing president????

Who the HELL are you trying to kid???

While we're at it, you SAY that you wouldn't make contraceptives ILLEGAL if you get that majority, but you and I BOTH know different...

Let's talk about abortion too. As MUCH as you SAY that you wouldn't make abortion illegal again, you're NOT fooling me. If you get that majority, that's EXACTLY what you'll do. EVERYBODY knows that. YOU know that. TAL knows that. Tom knows that. NK and smoothy know that. Our Aussie friends know that.

I dunno WHY you just don't SAY those things. Oh, YES I do.. It's because it would be RIDICULED just like this red neck was ridiculed.

excon

I'm not fighting the gay marriage fight one way or another. Try and stick to facts in evidence, which are Phil Robertson is a Christian and GLAAD and A&E are intolerant of Christians.

But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog??
No and neither does Phil Robertson .The only way to come to that conclusion is to distort what he said.

He also said, in the same interview,

'Duck Dynasty' Star Phil Robertson Claims Black People Were 'Happy' Pre-Civil Rights (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/19/phil-robertson-black-people_n_4473474.html)


The 67-year-old journeyed from substance abuse to devotion to God to small-screen celebrity, all in the backwoods of Louisiana. According to Robertson, growing up in those Louisiana backwoods in the pre-civil rights era was not bad for black people.

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

But of course all the right cares about is his right to insult sinners. But the ones he insulted had no right to express their views,


The Human Rights Campaign and the NAACP wrote a joint letter to the president of A&E, expressing deep concern over Robertson's remarks:

We want to be clear why Phil Robertson's remarks are not just dangerous but also inaccurate. Mr. Robertson claims that, from what he saw, African Americans were happier under Jim Crow. What he didn't see were lynching and beatings of black men and women for attempting to vote or simply walking down the street. And his offensive claims about gay people fly in the face of science. In fact, it's important to note that every single leading medical organization in the country has said that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being [lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender] -- it's not a choice, and to suggest otherwise is dangerous.

Another example of rock throwers who can't believe people throw rocks back, and hiding behind their rights while claiming to be a victim of the rights of others.

He also said, in the same interview,

'Duck Dynasty' Star Phil Robertson Claims Black People Were 'Happy' Pre-Civil Rights (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/19/phil-robertson-black-people_n_4473474.html)

So now he's supposed to be whipped around by the thought police for showing us what is was like where he was from?


But of course all the right cares about is his right to insult sinners. But the ones he insulted had no right to express their views,

That's a straw man. The only ones trying to suppress anyone's rights are the people exacting punishment for him exercising his.



Another example of rock throwers who can't believe people throw rocks back, and hiding behind their rights while claiming to be a victim of the rights of others.

What is this, opposite day? At least there is one lib who agrees with me about the bigger issue (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/phil-robertson-diversity-offensensitivity/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=phil-robertson-diversity-offensensitivity&utm_reader=feedly):


Look, I don’t always practice what I preach. In fact, I’m quick to make rash judgments. Often I regret them. And I don’t believe in a kum-ba-yah world in which all differences between people can be resolved by talking it through. But I don’t want to live in a world in which only the bland or those who validate the prejudices of the cultural elite (against country people, against conservative Evangelicals, against Southerners, etc.) have a place in the public square.

The problem is that those in cultural power love to talk loud and long about diversity, but what they really want is everyone to march in lock-step agreement, or else.

Scream, holler, throw rocks all you want - we refuse to be your mindless, spineless, puppets.

Now you know I defend your rights to be the mindless, spineless, puppet to whatever you want, and I reserve the right to blast you on it.

He also said this in the interview.
We never, ever judge someone on who's going to heaven, hell. That's the Almighty's job,” .... “We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus—whether they're homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort 'em out later, you see what I'm saying?

give ’em the good news about JesusSome of us refuse your indoctrination attempts. To each his own.

It's come to this, Obama's OFA is once again invading our holidays with Obamacare, featuring ... Pajamaboy.

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Naturally, intense mockery ensues (https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/413079861922508800). I miss the days when grownups ran the country.

Not be outdone, some gay group has their own Obamacare marketing plan...

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I have no words. I'm sure Phil Robertson doesn't either.

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To each his own.

So Phil should be free to be Phil without the elite thought police coming down on him.

You want to control the free market? I thought you hated that?

Phil can be Phil and he is being Phil - who's stopping him?

You want to control the free market? I thought you hated that?

Phil can be Phil and he is being Phil - who's stopping him?

Stop? I doubt they'll stop Phil but the elitists that cheer diversity and free speech as long as it agrees with them are darn sure trying to suppress him. Now if he were a Clinton that signed DOMA or an obviously homophobic Alec Baldwin they'd give him an award.

He hasn't been suppressed at all just criticized. Let not forget the new season of Duck Dynasty has been shot and paid for and scheduled, so his suspension is for the following season and a lot can happen until then. A&E has a right to separate themselves from Phil's views, and deal with their employees but the free publicity won't hurt, and gives the right a lot of red meat to holler about their rights and Christian again. Nowhere has the right acknowledged the rights of everybody else to criticize his comments, while they play victims yet again.

And Sarah can wear her duck dynasty outfit, in front of a fireplace and camera.

Don't kid yourself, the entire artificial exercise was meant to silence him or beat him into submission. And enough of the straw man, most on the right have acknowledged the the Artificial & Elitist network's right to can him and your right to criticize Phil, so argue honestly. What is outrageous is the expectation of being able to be as vile and foul as you want toward Christians with impunity while demanding we shut up and genuflect to the PC gods. Too damn bad we fight back at the hypocrisy.

It's a false battle you guys wage as the criticism has been toward one person and what he said, and started with push back by the ones that felt insulted, gays, and blacks. It's the right wing who made this molehill into a mountain, and rally behind his backward thinking. Like he, or you guys represent ALL Christians.

His detractors have been other Christians.

The last reply button only works half the time.

It's the right wing who made this molehill into a mountain

Nope A&E did. What the hell did they do to this site ? Ever hear the phrase 'leave well enough alone ' ?

Obviously A&E didn't think his comments were good for business. As Steven Colbert said, it would hurt the vast gay and black audience of Duck Dynasty. >chortle, chortle<

Lol, pi$$ing off 14 million fans is not good for business.

does the idea that there are people who disagree with the B/S put forward by gays and are prepared to say so offend someone. Oh dear, oh dear, we mustn't offend anyone. I would like to know; are real Christians becoming the minority over there

Hardly Clete, but some Christians don't agree with other Christians, about being Christians. Some gays are Christians too. Some Christians are not Christian enough for other Christians but they are all sinners.

Hardly Clete, but some Christians don't agree with other Christians, about being Christians. Some gays are Christians too. Some Christians are not Christian enough for other Christians but they are all sinners.

hey Tal the message is we are all sinners but we don't have to wallow in it, nor do we have to wallow in someoneelse's sin. This is a season of goodwill for one reason and one reason only, yet there are those who don't want to recognise this and tear down the message whenever they hear it. Sexual orientation isn't a sin it is what you do with it, either way I am sick of pandering to a minority, any minority, because if they ever become a majority the human race is doomed

Yeah this paradise is so perfect as is. Who would want to change it!

cant respond Tal this stupid editor thinks my message is too short

Yeah this paradise is so perfect as is. Who would want to change it!
That's one of the big differences ,the humanists think this is all there is and want to changed this world into 'paradise'. Humans can't do that .

During the Paula Dean controversy ,Ball Maher said “Do we always have to make people go away?” Phil Robertson is not a philosopher .He just expressed his opinion .I did not see a similar outrage from the left here ,or from the gay community when Alec Baldwin verbally assaulted someone using vile homophobic comments. So my only conclusion is that the big difference is that Robertson is a devout Christian ;while Baldwin is a creature of the left.

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Oh get over it. Everybody has a right to disagree with what Phil say. And what the pope says. And what the Bible says.

No, I'm not getting over it and enough of this straw man you keep tossing out about our side suppressing your right to disagree. Unlike the gay enforcement brigade at GLAAD I DEFEND their right to their opinion. If they want to be intolerant idiots they have that right, don't deny it to others.

If anyone should get over it is GLAAD and other purveyors of compulsory approval. You don't get to b*tch about intolerance and hate - especially when there was none - while being intolersnt and hateful without being called out for your hypocrisy.

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That's exactly why the Robertsons must be stopped, they threaten the left's grip on pop culture and beyond.

Nobody has denied Phil anything Speech, criticism of his comments that he made is free speech too. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. What we shouldn't say anything?

Speaking out against what he said doesn't stop him from saying it does it?

Again, the point is to silence him. No one is trying to silence GLAAD. What part of I defend both side's right do you not get? Just don't pretend you're the gatekeeper of tolerance while being intolerant. I don't think you guys even know what that word means.

So anyone who disagrees with Phil's opinion of God, gays, and blacks is intolerant?

First of all his opinion was also to love everyone anyway, that's not intolerance. Second of all...


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Hello again, Steve:
Again, the point is to silence him. Who's trying to silence him? His EMPLOYER??? Why shouldn't his EMPLOYER have the right to fire bigoted employees? I thought the right wing HATED the government telling them WHO they had to employ.

Certainly, no lefty is calling for him to be silenced... In fact, if people like him didn't exist, we'd INVENT them to show how WRONG you guy are... But, we don't HAVE to invent them. They're EVERYWHERE.

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Still with the straw men. I've already defended the Artificial and Elitist network's right to can him so stop trying to play the hypocrite card on me.

As for no one trying to silence him, from GLAAD:



“Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe. He clearly knows nothing about gay people or the majority of Louisianans — and Americans — who support legal recognition for loving and committed gay and lesbian couples. Phil’s decision to push vile and extreme stereotypes is a stain on A&E and his sponsors who now need to re-examine their ties to someone with such public disdain for LGBT people and families.”

Sever the ties you limit his platform to speak. They want him shut up, stop pretending they don't. In response to his call to love everyone anyway, NK called him an a$$hole and others calling him a hater, the hypocrisy should be evident but you guys only see what you want to see.

You have every right to blast A&E for their business decisions. As selectively as you want. So do I. And I do. I admit I am selective when I blast you guys. That's MY right, and I exercise it FREELY. We all freely exercise our rights.

Phil can say whatever he wants and take his show somewhere else if he wants. And get paid.

NK called him an a$$holeYep and a unrepentant hypocrite like many christians.

NK has a right to his opinion too. So does the Goracle, and the Emperor, mama grizzly and the Bonehead.

Still with the straw men. How do many times do I have to say both sides have a right to their opinions before you stop? But thanks for demonstrating my point perfectly.

Yep and a unrepentant hypocrite like many christians

And you have a right to your ignorant opinion with no basis in fact as well, but thanks again for demonstrating my point.

If we agree on that what's the problem?

Speech codes and the hypocrites that enforce them are the problem.

Yeah I hate it when you guys do it, and imagine you hate it when we do it. It is what it is.

with no basis in fact as well,The facts are my observations. The same as it is for you.

news flash.......A&E won't hire Muslims because some interpret their religion to mean Islam is "anti-gay".

The facts are my observations. The same as it is for you

I'm not so presumptuous as to believe I can determine if someone is an unrepentant sinner or not without them confessing it to me. Has he told you?

Cracker Barrel decided to drop Duck Dynasty Merchandise ... bad move. This is what they posted on Facebook ...



Dear Cracker Barrel Customer:

When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers. Our intent was to avoid offending, but that's just what we've done.

You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren't shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong.

We listened.

Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores.

And, we apologize for offending you.

We respect all individuals [sic] right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different [sic].

We sincerely hope you will continue to be part of our Cracker Barrel family

They also posted on their Twitter acct .
https://twitter.com/CrackerBarrel/status/414792199142772736

I can hear it now ....." what do you expect from a bunch of crackers. "

Why are you putting so much time into another reality TV show "personality"? Are you the lowest common denominator that they aim for?

nice irrelevent deflection from the issue .

The Douglas County Sheriff also announced they won't be cooperating with A&E going forward. Guess they'll have to find some other rubes to try and mock.

In wake of 'Duck Dynasty' star suspension, Sheriff Miller tells A&E they are not welcome - Douglas County Sentinel: Local News (http://www.douglascountysentinel.com/news/local/article_a2b03444-69ea-11e3-9c03-001a4bcf6878.html)

So?

You act surprised that corporate sponsors would not want to be associated with the views and statements of this reality TV star.

So?

I guess you aren't familiar with how filming works. Law enforcement cooperation is kind of important, they can make life quite difficult for them otherwise.


You act surprised that corporate sponsors would not want to be associated with the views and statements of this reality TV star.

Um, they put Duck Dynasty merchandise BACK in their stores. Some businesses get that you don't pi$$ off your customers. Others not so much, like A&E.

They will probably come to some accommodation between them. This may just be free publicity in the long run as the next season has already been filmed and scheduled. That gives everybody a about a year for the public emotional dust to settle and the two sides figure out what they do going forward.

The rest is media hype, and the initial knee jerk reaction is irrelevant.

As predicted, A&E caved - after trying to cash in on DD over Christmas.


Phil Robertson Back at A&E - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/12/27/phil-robertson-back-in-at-a-e.html)

Phil Robertson’s indefinite suspension is over before it started. A&E announced that the Duck Dynasty star, who was put on hiatus after he likened homosexuality to beastality and whitewashed Jim Crow, will not be taken off the show. The Robertson family, A&E noted in a statement about its decision, has denounced the “coarse language” used by its patriarch to explain his personal views in the now-infamous interview. “But Duck Dynasy is not a show about one man’s views. It resonates with a large audience because it is a show about family...a family that America has come to love,” said A&E. “As you might have seen in many episodes, they come together to reflect and pray for unity, tolerance, and forgiveness. These are three values that we at A&E Networks also feel strongly about.”

Let the real wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.

see where Jesse Jackson tried to make this a racial issue ? He says the comments reflect 'White Privilege'. He wants to 'keep the controversy alive ' and has given A&E and Cracker Barrel “72 hours” to appear before his shake-down organization Rainbow PUSH ,and GLAAD.

Of course he does, that's what a good race hustler with no other real discernible purpose in life will do. he should really call himself into his office first.

Gay man files complaint against Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rainbow PUSH - 28994 - Gay Lesbian Bi Trans News - Windy City Times (http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/m/APPredirect.php?AID=31375)

what's next?

Is No Food Sacred? EU Goes After Cinnamon Rolls. - Hit & Run : Reason.com (http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/26/is-no-food-sacred-eu-goes-after-cinnamon)

thankfully nanny Bloomy is gone because you know he'd be on the great cinnamon crusade too .

Hello again, nanny staters:

Does YOUR state ban anything?? Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

We don't ban cinnamon, sodas or washing your car in your driveway.

We don't ban cinnamon, sodas or washing your car in your driveway.

Just gay marriage, abortion, and voting rights.

I'll take protecting the life of a child over protecting the right to snuff it's life out at will any time. I also said I'm not in the gay marriage fight one way or the other, and the other is just a lie.

Stop taking broad statements personally so we can discuss the actions of what has been done by conservatives that have the power to make laws, and the laws they make.

Dude, as long as you continue this faux war on women meme and lie about voter Id, which most people support and I've already shown increased turnout in texas, don't preach to me about having an honest discussion. I was totally honest in my response.

We don't ban cinnamon, sodas or washing your car in your driveway.

Look they will get to that, we had a socialist government who did infact do more than ban you washing your car, they banned washing down of hard surfaces

It's illegal to collect rainwater in parts of the country. By all means don't take advantage of nature to give those life-giving plants a drink.

Why is it illegal in some places and NOT others?

Best guess is because of arcane water rights laws that date back a hundred years or more in some of the Western states. If a stream is dependent on run off ,and the run off is being captured by homeowners ,then the person owning the water rights of the stream is being deprived of that right.
The "logic" behind banning rain water collection is a fear that the collection will affect the recharging of the streams .

Also many of these rain collection vessels are plastics and as such release Bisphenol-A (BPA)into the water being stored ,especially when it's hot. BPA free barrels are available however so that is not really a justification for banning water collection.
Here in NY there is pretty much an abundance of water .We occasionally have drought restrictions so the reservoirs can be saved to water the golf courses.
I heard some idiots here were contemplating restrictions ,but it won't go anywhere.

The state apparently owns the rain, unless of course the runoff from your property cause problems, then it's all yours.

Nanny Bloomy banned indoor e-cigs use on his way out the door. Nanny de Blasio ,not to be out done announced that he wants to get rid of horse drawn carriage rides in NYC. Rides on carriages around Central Park have been a popular tourist feature for years . But de Blasio says it's cruel to the horses. It has also been a lucrative business as you can tell by the prices .
Central Park Horse & Carriage Ride, Wedding Carriage New York (http://nycentralparktours.com/horse-and-carriage-tours?gclid=CJ2QuvCl2rsCFQrxOgodOyoANg)

Animal rights groups claim that it's inhumane to have the horse working on the streets of NY because they are exposed to exhaust fumes, and are overworked (sounds like your typical NYC pedestrian and commuter).... and have come up with an alternative "vintage" electric 'horseless carriage'to replace the attraction.
Will This Antique-Style Electric Car Replace NYC's Horse-Drawn Carriages? - ANIMAL (http://www.animalnewyork.com/2013/will-this-antique-style-electric-car-replace-nycs-horse-drawn-carriages/)

Best guess is that the quickest way to ensure a breed's extinction is to eliminate it's purpose for being . What is the future of the working horse breeds ?

Typical ignorant elitist nonsense. You'll be happy to know it's still perfectly legal to have horse drawn carriage rides in Texas. Occasionally you'll still see folks riding horses in town in these parts.

I'm guessing this will make ex proud...

Dolphins ‘deliberately get high’ on puffer fish nerve toxins by carefully chewing and passing them around - Nature - Environment - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/dolphins-deliberately-get-high-on-puffer-fish-nerve-toxins-by-carefully-chewing-and-passing-them-around-9030126.html)

Anyone else get the irony in scientists announcing today that the earth is warming even faster than expected (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10546128/Worlds-climate-warming-faster-than-feared-scientists-say.html) on the same day it's announced scientists and passengers finally got rescued from being trapped in the expanded Antarctic ice (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rescue-operation-for-icebound-ship-begins-in-antarctic/)?

Don't know what they were researching but it was to commemorate the 100th anniversary of a voyage led by Australian explorer Douglas Mawson. Either the ice breakers were tougher then or the ice is worse now.

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This site is reminding me of healthcare.gov more every day. I have no idea what you posted tom, I get this:

someone should say how to post a pix. I put it in the thingy that says "insert image" .

someone should say how to post a pix. I put it in the thingy that says "insert image"

I just used the old "manage attachments" button below. Let me see if it works this way...

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Ah, it worked for me in the preview then vanished. Which is another glitch, every time you edit and click "save" it acts as if nothing happens, but apparently it does. It's all very confusing now.

too bad ... I have a bunch of pix about the ship of fools stuck on Gullible's Island.

you can "go advanced" and use the "manage attachments" option below the advanced window, it still works.

Try saving the image on your own computer or coverting it to a jpeg file

forget that . We had the ability to post pix before all the tinkering . I'll wait for the heads to figure it out .

yes I see you can't post coloured signatures anymore, I do like the new look now I've go used to it, but it is annoying to have to navigate to the the most recent post. I don't like setting the default to bring up the most recent post, you tend to loose the thred of the conversation

btw , the 'humane 'organization that is pushing the horse carriage ban is a front group for a politically connected (and de Blasio campaign contributor ) real estate developer who wants to convert the stables on the west side to parking lots ,and storage space. DeBlasio is just another lefty hypocrite.

Yes, you find them on both sides of politics. Best found in those who hold political office.

yeah that's the fall back position but since the lefties point the J'accuse finger at us all the time ,turn around is fair play.

So as opposed to pointing out all those who do it how can the situation be fixed? I think we know the motivating factors.

got me . If someone like De Blasio ;who spent a career doing the populist pablum, railing against the privileged ,makes his 1st act as mayor a payoff for a political patron,( who should be ,according to his rhetoric ,right in his cross hairs)....then perhaps there is no answer .It's just the way it is .

How about trying to remove the incentive for politicians to do these things? Just saying "It's just the way it is" is basically giving up the fight.

uh huh . You think funding reform works . That's a fantasy . To illustrate ,this crusader for the common man de Blasio opposes a lawsuit in NY that seeks to scrap the state’s $150,000 cap on an individual’s total annual political gifts. But in 2005 ,as a City Council member ,he pushed a law that created a special exception to let unions ...and only unions skirt a $4,950 cap on gifts to candidates.

He's beholden to union support ;especially public unions. Hence his support for scrapping non-union charter schools . So let me hear you and all the lefties here call for hard limits on union spending for candidates ;remembering that taking public union money is a conflict of interest for elected officials who have to negotiate public union contracts ...then perhaps I'll listen to the phoney sanctimony .

I'm no "lefty" and it certainly has nothing to do with which political party one supports, if any. All are in it for the money from special interests groups, not to represetns those that elected them. Greed is the motivating factor by far.

You obviously have no interest in seeking solutions - just in continuing to whine moan and about "lefties" when the "righties" do the same thing. That's partisan politics at its best, and a very shallow view of the problem: visit right-wing blogs, find articles, repost here, repeat ad nauseum.

Perhaps if you can convince the left of their phony sanctimony we might get somewhere. It's not us in denial.

Did I stutter? (a speech saying) It's not a left/right thing.

Did I stutter? (a speech saying) It's not a left/right thing.

It's the denial and phoney sanctimony that's mostly a left thing. You can't fix a problem you're b*tching about if you're complicit or in denial, and quite frankly I'm fed up with listening to such hypocrites lecture us about it. When they DO something about their own then they'll have standing to talk about it, but they need to clean up their own damn house before preaching to me. Understand? Clear enough?

Does anything work right here any more? Are they trying to emulate healthcare.gov? Changed my profile pic and it still shows the old one. So anyway, my new puppy...

is that an Aussie cattle dog ?

It most certainly is, pocket sized at the moment.

here is one of mine at an agility trial

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Beautiful dogs guys.

It most certainly is, pocket sized at the moment.

good luck I'm sure it will have plenty of energy to burn. I had an Aussie Shepard before my recent pack.

Beautiful dogs guys.

Thanks. I agree on both counts.


good luck I'm sure it will have plenty of energy to burn. I had an Aussie Shepard before my recent pack.

I remember. I haven't had a pup in 7 years but I do remember these heelers are little terrors for a while.

"yea that the fall back position but since the lefties point the J' accuse finger at us all the time, turn around is fair play".



Yes, I agree, and I am sorry you feel like the victim, but this is what happens when the power sharing base becomes too narrow; history has shown that civic virtue goes out the window.

Can I just also add that for any Republic to survive in cannot rely on the virtue of men. Rather it needs to rely on a genuine mixed power base. Not a personified triumvirate of big business, big government (both persuasions) and big unions.

the American people are the victims ;and unlike the lefties ,I take on my side . As an example ;I'll have a lot to say about the phony Tom Donahue and how his organization ,the US Chamber of Commerce has become the US Chamber of Cronies...and how speaker Bonehead and the RINOs are falling in line behind the Chamber's policies.

Sometimes I wonder Tom whether you are a conservative or just a devil's advocate.

A real conservative does not support the Chamber of Commerce's immigration position. And I don't understand why the libs who claim to support the workforce would favor an influx of illegal cheap labor into an already over crowded job market....a labor force whose benefits are paid for through the excessive fees, and taxes of working American citizens forced into Obamacare.
I mean ;this is happening at the very same time the libs are extending unemployment benefits for the 11th time . Speaker Bonehead and the Repubic inside the beltway crowd are lining up to pass whatever legislation the Chamber tells them to .

A real conservative thinks that the consolidation of business into the hands of the politically connected is not free market .

A real conservative thinks that the consolidation of business into the hands of the politically connected is not free market


Progressives and liberals think exactly the same thing.