Hello:

A few questions in no particular order:

(1) Were right wingers holding their breath HOPING he wasn't one of their own?

(2) Should we invade Chechnya?

(3) Should the kid be taken to Gitmo for waterboarding?

(4) Is Russia going to help us find out what the dead terrorist was DOING when he went there?

(5) Should the live one be tried by military tribunal or by the federal court?

(6) Should Miranda be read to him? If so, when?

(7) Did they act alone or is there a cell HERE?

(8) Should Bloomberg ban pressure cookers?

(9) Are ALL Muslims responsible?

(10) Who should we drone?

(11) Did the younger one KILL his brother by running over him, or was it the cops?

(12) Was it really the Saudi that Obama deported because he's Kenyon, Muslim, Marxist terrorist himself?

excon

Im going to try to answer a few of these to get this thread going.

(1) Were right wingers holding their breath HOPING he wasn't one of their own?

I just wanted the SOB's responsible for it caught.

(2) Should we invade Chechnya?

Not at this time as there is no real connection other then country of origin.

(3) Should the kid be taken to Gitmo for waterboarding?

This one is bothering me a lot. From what I have heard so far its been a lone wolf occurrence acting in tandem with his brother. That being said if there were no direct ties by communication from other sources as in orders to do so. Then they In my opinion should not be enemy combatant status.

(4) Is Russia going to help us find out what the dead terrorist was DOING when he went there?

Why would they bother other then creating disinformation.

(5) Should the live one be tried by military tribunal or by the federal court?

At this time Im expecting fedral court and my reason for it is the above answer to the Gitmo question.

(6) Should Miranda be read to him? If so, when?

It should have been read to him on 2 occasions. The first being when he was arrested / detained and the second would be when he was medically aware of the world around him. Im going with the understanding he was tore up badly when captured and required surgury so its safe to assume meds are / were involved.

(7) Did they act alone or is there a cell HERE?

So far seems to be a lone act until we find out more.

(8) Should Bloomberg ban pressure cookers?

Do you really want to tick off the south even more?

(9) Are ALL Muslims responsible?

No, not at all.

(10) Who should we drone?

(11) Did the younger one KILL his brother by running over him, or was it the cops?

From what I hear the cops did it? Is there something different floating out there or video? The cop cars should have had their dash cams on at that time.

(12) Was it really the Saudi that Obama deported because he's Kenyon, Muslim, Marxist terrorist himself?

No clue :)

(1) Were right wingers holding their breath HOPING he wasn't one of their own?
I never thought that was a high probability . As you recall ,I speculated the bomber(s) were radical Shia .I was right. Tameran was influenced by a radical Shia cleric from Australia .

(2) Should we invade Chechnya?
Nope ,if this was a state sponsored attack ,it did not originate from Chechnya. I already pointed out that the Chechen revolt was a nationalist revolt against Russia .Now it's true that AQ has hijacked the movement... and IF it can be proved that Tameran was trained there in the time he travelled there ,then perhaps a well placed Hell fire is in order .

(3) Should the kid be taken to Gitmo for waterboarding? Wouldn't do any good .Any water poured down his throat would pour out of the hole he put in his neck.

(4) Is Russia going to help us find out what the dead terrorist was DOING when he went there? I think so.

(5) Should the live one be tried by military tribunal or by the federal court?
He's an American citizen as of Sept 11,2012... the day of the Benghazi attack. He is entitled to the rights of an American .

(6) Should Miranda be read to him? If so, when? Yes... before he is charged with a criminal act. I fully support the exception rule being applied to find out if he is part of a wider cell.

(7) Did they act alone or is there a cell HERE?
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(8) Should Bloomberg ban pressure cookers? Only ones larger than 1 qt.

(9) Are ALL Muslims responsible?
silly question
(10) Who should we drone?
already answered that .
(11) Did the younger one KILL his brother by running over him, or was it the cops? Probably did the coup de gras by running him over .

(12) Was it really the Saudi that Obama deported because he's Kenyon, Muslim, Marxist terrorist himself?
I don't know why he was deported and I don't think the Obots will be forthcoming in explaining that move.

From what I've read;

1) Probably
2) No
3) No
4) I don't know. If it doesn't go against their interests, I think they may. They have a terrorism problem, possibly even greater than ours.
5) Federal Court
6) According to the US Attorney, under National Security law they were not required to Mirandize. However, as I understand it, he was wounded in the neck so was unable to talk. So Mirandizing was unnecessary. As long as he is read his rights prior to being interrogated, then there shouldn't be a problem.
7) Hopefully they will find out.
8) Of course ;)
9) No
10) Seems to me there is a lot of droning going on in the media ;)
11) According to what I read, he was run over by the escape vehicle. Whether that killed him or not I don't know.
12) Huh?

Follow up questions... obviously we don't want cities in America being locked down whenever there is a terror attack .If the Boston soft target attack represents the 'new normal' ,then how do we prevent it so we are not putting major population areas into extended lock down ?
Would such a lock down and sweep of the college community of Watertown be as effective regarding cooperation with authorities in communities like Dearborn Michigan... or lets say ;if some of the gangbangers resorted to terrorism in the inner cities of America ? There is a video of a Brooklyn cop trying to arrest a Muslim man who was taunting a Jew that tells me otherwise .

SEE IT: Wild Brooklyn melee erupts as NYPD arrests Muslim teen for allegedly taunting Jewish subway rider - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/melee-erupts-cops-arrest-muslim-teen-taunting-jewish-subway-rider-article-1.1320655#ixzz2QuwKlYDy)

Actually ,when you think about it ,the lockdown and sweep wasn't effective at all .It took a private citizen who went outside for a smoke to provide the lead that ended the search.
Public video sources like store surveillance cameras, cell phones etc were crucial resources in finding the cultprits. Without them ,the FBI would have been limited to a Russian tip from 2 years ago. Doesn't that mean that the era of law enforcement surveillance through either public or private means is here to stay ?

The flaw in the security measures that were taken in Boston was that a critical space at the finish line was open public access. Will this mean that in the future we will be subject to increasing use of pre-screened restricted access areas . Will events like the Boston Marathon hire armed private security agencies to bolster the security of events like the marathon. Will local officials allow this intrusion on their turf ? Btw... another name for private security might be called (dare I say ) militia.

2) If they would have been from any other country like middle east, afagn or pakistan or any other, until now some action would have been taken. There is way of economic restrictions on responsible country.

4) Russia might help but its unlikely.
5) federal court is seems to be first possibility.
7) now this is really serious. It is impossible to act alone at such level. There is high possibility of sleeper cells in the region as well as country.
8) No pressure cooker ban or any other ban won't help. If you ban cooker, they will find another way like tiffin box or mobile phone.
9) No, not all muslims but the fundamentalist and the people who have sympathy for them.
10) don't know yet because they have not found or may be not declare any groups name yet. But I would say instead of drone, it is not the right time to leave afgan.
12) No don't think so...

Hello tom:

You bring up a good point.. In fact, I think the reaction to THIS bombing is WAYYYY different than 9/11. This time, as a country, we're CELEBRATING our freedom. After 9/11 we passed Patriot Act which DECIMATED our freedom.

This time the cops were VERY aware that they couldn't keep a city on lockdown forever.. I don't think the Bush/Cheney cabal would have had ANY problems doing that..

excon

Except Bush and Cheney didn't... not even close . If we are subject to regular soft target attacks then we'll see how quickly the public demands a vigorous police type response . You did not even come close to answering my questions. Clete brought it up about the official presence of video surveillance on almost every corner of London . That I believe is in our future.

All good questions EX, you do know you were warned about one of these fellows by the Russians. It is time to prevent muslims from travelling anywhere where they might be radicalised, to prevent their internet access to prevent them being radicalised and to root out these radical clerics in our midst.

It is said he was radicalised by an Australian cleric, well we have some vipers in our midst too, and I used to comment on them in another place but they have been laying low in recent times although we are concerned what the outcome of Syria will be on radicallising
Muslim youth. We hope you won't associate this radical cleric with our views

Problem is really in the constitutional frame of many countries who are not democratic and those who are, mostly not secular. True democracy in the islamic nations might help.

(1) Were right wingers holding their breath HOPING he wasn't one of their own?

No one wants it to be one of their own

(2) Should we invade Chechnya?

Perhaps they would like it, a short war and we give them billions in aid.

(3) Should the kid be taken to Gitmo for waterboarding?

He killed a Chinese National, turn him over to China, he will beg to go to Gitmo, or even turn him over to Russia, he will be happy for the worst america can do

(4) Is Russia going to help us find out what the dead terrorist was DOING when he went there?

Yes, I think Russia and China both want a answer to this

(5) Should the live one be tried by military tribunal or by the federal court?

Act of war and terror, military tribunal.

(6) Should Miranda be read to him? If so, when?

Miranda is almost never read at arrest, that is TV and Movies, it is read prior to questioning and normally by the investigators. He had a throat injury, could not even speak, so there was no need to read him any rights, but to get him medical aid.

(7) Did they act alone or is there a cell HERE?

There are lots of cells here, they will not know other members, and if they did, they are all moved by now

(8) Should Bloomberg ban pressure cookers?

They are dangerous, do you know how many home accidents a year are done, They need to be bought with permits only and then after proper training.

(9) Are ALL Muslims responsible?

Only the people who knew about this person, In fact perhaps US since they were aware but were not allowed to get rid of them, due to restrictions.

(10) Who should we drone?



(11) Did the younger one KILL his brother by running over him, or was it the cops?

About who thinks he is really dead but taken to a secret base to be questioned.

(12) Was it really the Saudi that Obama deported because he's Kenyon, Muslim, Marxist terrorist himself?

problem is really in the constitutional frame of many countries who are not democratic and those who are, mostly not secular. true democracy in the islamic nations might help.
I think you have just committed an oxymoron
True democracy isn't possible in Muslim nations, nowhere does the Koran suggest a vote should be taken

Democracy is a greek concept, it is foreign to Jewish, Christian and Muslim fundamentals
The jews wanted a king (Saul) not a committee and they wanted secular rule not the religious rule of the prophets
Christians want Christ to rule there can be no vote
Muslims want Sharia rule, the Caliphate and the Caliph

Democracy exists in only a few places, many have bureaucracy or autocracy but democracy doesn't exist in a theocracy

Hello again,

You know, I HATE cops, except when I LOVE them..

excon

OK I'll play along...

(1) Were right wingers holding their breath HOPING he wasn't one of their own?

No, but some left-wingers were hoping he was.

(2) Should we invade Chechnya?

I see no reason to do so.

(3) Should the kid be taken to Gitmo for waterboarding?

No.

(4) Is Russia going to help us find out what the dead terrorist was DOING when he went there?

They've already offered help. (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57580650/older-bombing-suspects-russia-trip-social-media-activity-draw-scrutiny/) I think they'd like to know, too.

(5) Should the live one be tried by military tribunal or by the federal court?

Courts.

(6) Should Miranda be read to him? If so, when?

Yes, before questioning.

(7) Did they act alone or is there a cell HERE?

I believe that's still up in the air.

(8) Should Bloomberg ban pressure cookers?

I don't know, do New Yorkers ever need a pot of beans cooked in an hour?

(9) Are ALL Muslims responsible?

No.

(10) Who should we drone?

Ed Asner

(11) Did the younger one KILL his brother by running over him, or was it the cops?

Who cares?

(12) Was it really the Saudi that Obama deported because he's Kenyon, Muslim, Marxist terrorist himself?

Is that why he deported him?

"2) If they would have been from any other country like middle east, afagn or pakistan or anyother, until now some action would have been taken. there is way of economic restrictions on responsible country. "

You are suggesting economic sanctions against their home country for the act of two radicals, whether other people acted with them?

How about somebody asking Homeland Security how this happened when at least one brother was brought to HL's attention before - left the US, returned - and still nothing despite a warning (if what I am reading is correct).

Economic sanctions been used for many reason besides terror attacks, like weapon development, technology transfer etc. drone attacks killed many criminals including innocents. Economic restriction put pressure on the government of that specific country to act against such groups who exist in their country. If the country willing to act then no need.

" if the country willing to act then no need."

Are you saying that you believe Russia is somehow responsible for this, that Russia should somehow act? If so, what would you specifically like Russia to do about these two adults who lived in the US? The US can't monitor every US citizen in Russia. I think it works both ways.

If anyone believes your logic the US would be boycotting every other Country in the World.

Citizens of India continue to commit crimes against US citizens. In fact, as of today there is another warning to US citizens, particularly women, concerning assaults and rapes in India. I think the US should boycott India.

I don't think anyone can make a case that this was state sponsored terrorism. The Russians will cooperate as far as telling us what the older brother was up to when he travelled to the region. It is in the Russians interest to do so . The Russians have had a defacto war against Chechnya since the breakup of the Soviet Union . At times it has been brutal .
Our problem is not with Chechnya . It is with radical Islamic jihad . There are no sanctions that will make a difference unless a link can be established.. .

Frankly there a more convincing links in Riyadh... drill baby drill!!

1) Were right wingers holding their breath HOPING he wasn't one of their own?

Nope, I figured it was either some dumb kids or North Korea ;-)

(2) Should we invade Chechnya?

Um... NO.

(3) Should the kid be taken to Gitmo for waterboarding?

Can we do that? If so yes! He wants to act like a terrorist, we can treat him like one!

(4) Is Russia gonna help us find out what the dead terrorist was DOING when he went there?

NOPE, Russia hates America at the moment.

(5) Should the live one be tried by military tribunal or by the federal court?

Depends, which one costs less and is sure to get sentencing that fits the crime? Also depends on which one doesn't allow insanity plea crap.

(6) Should Miranda be read to him? If so, when?

Shouldn't they have done that when they arrested him? I'm pretty sure running from the cops even when you didn't do anything is a crime.

(7) Did they act alone or is there a cell HERE??

Alone here, but with help from someone on the outside.

(8) Should Bloomberg ban pressure cookers?

What exactly is a pressure cooker anyway?

(9) Are ALL Muslims responsible?

Are all Christians responsible?

(10) Who should we drone?

Everyone! They think we are already anyway, why not get something out of their fears!

(11) Did the younger one KILL his brother by running over him, or was it the cops?

Oh... I hadn't heard this one. Meh... I don't really care.

(12) Was it really the Saudi that Obama deported because he's Kenyon, Muslim, Marxist terrorist himself?

??

US and Canadian authorities broke up a train bombing plot .
'Major terrorist' plot broken up by Canadian and U.S. authorities | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/22/canadian-police-announce-arrests-suspects-planning-major-terrorist-attack/)

First word is they were in cahoots with al Qaida (http://us.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/americas/canada-terror-plot-thwarted/index.html). How soon before Melissa "your children don't belong to you" Harris-Perry tells us how irrelevant their faith is to their plot (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/harris-perry-tsarnaevs-muslim-faith-as-relevant-to-bombing-as-ben-affleck-movies-about-violence-in-boston/) to kill innocent people and inflict mass carnage in the name of Allah?

Its no more important than the KKK being Christians and hanging black people in the south. We got beyond it, and so will the others who are behind the curve of being "civilized"... hopefully.

Come on Tal, don't be a denier. Their faith has EVERYTHING to do with their terrorism.

They are misguided as any knows Islam is about peace, and the acts of terror and murder is not about Islam at all. Like I said just because someone does evil things in the name of whatever god doesn't mean its about god.

The history of man is about many atrocities done in the name of god. Every religion has such fools. Its an excuse to hate.

What other religions are actively spawning such terrorists?

Some fundamentalist Christian groups, animal-rights groups, racist groups, and anti-gay-rights groups --

Animal Liberation Front
Alpha 66 and Omega 7
Army of God
Aryan Nations
Earth Liberation Front
May 19th Communist Organization
Phineas Priesthood

PITA and Westboro have had their moments.

Islam is about peace
Bwaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!!

They are misguided as any knows Islam is about peace, and the acts of terror and murder is not about Islam at all. Like I said just because someone does evil things in the name of whatever god doesn't mean its about god.

The history of man is about many atrocities done in the name of god. Every religion has such fools. Its an excuse to hate.

Actually it is all about islam. What you need to keep in mind is that for us many things are shocking but as for the muslim line of thinking its not to bad of an idea. They are conditioned to violence in their every day lives.

SHARIA LAW / PENALTIES (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2000/03/000314-nigeria1.htm)


Punishment for adultery in Islam (http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm)

Some fundamentalist Christian groups, animal-rights groups, racist groups, and anti-gay-rights groups --

Animal Liberation Front
Alpha 66 and Omega 7
Army of God
Aryan Nations
Earth Liberation Front
May 19th Communist Organization
Phineas Priesthood

PITA and Westboro have had their moments.

Haven't seen any othe those wanting to talk in my church, There are "christians" and there are Christians, not every one who has read a Bible is a christian

Haven't seen any othe those wanting to talk in my church, There are "christians" and there are Christians, not every one who has read a Bible is a christian
By the same token, there are "Muslims" and there are Muslims. Not everyone who has read a Koran is a Muslim.

By the same token, there are "Muslims" and there are Muslims. Not everyone who has read a Koran is a Muslim.

The way I see it is that there are muslim clerics preaching hate and no one stops them. Their reach goes far beyond their own communities as is apparent in Boston. If Muslims just turn a blind eye then they are complicit in the outcome and no different to the bombers.

Fact is religion of any persuasion will kill you

" if the country willing to act then no need."

Are you saying that you believe Russia is somehow responsible for this, that Russia should somehow act? If so, what would you specifically like Russia to do about these two adults who lived in the US? The US can't monitor every US citizen in Russia. I think it works both ways.

If anyone believes your logic the US would be boycotting every other Country in the World.

Citizens of India continue to commit crimes against US citizens. In fact, as of today there is another warning to US citizens, particularly women, concerning assaults and rapes in India. I think the US should boycott India.
Similarly many Indian killed in US. So India should ban US. And yes there warning, doesn't mean people are getting raped all over.

Russia acted appropriately . If anything ,the FBI dropped the ball. But then again. Had they positioned and infiltrated with informants ,they would be accused of conducting a sting for the purpose of entrapment . I've seen many web pages where the FBI is actually accused of CREATING terrorists instead of combating terrorists . This is one of the examples where a plot wasn't foiled . Plots that are successfully thwarted are dismissed and poo pooed as no big thing... just a bunch of amateurs ,wannabees who would never had gone so far in their plot without the FBI encouragement .

Some fundamentalist Christian groups, animal-rights groups, racist groups, and anti-gay-rights groups --

Animal Liberation Front
Alpha 66 and Omega 7
Army of God
Aryan Nations
Earth Liberation Front
May 19th Communist Organization
Phineas Priesthood

PITA and Westboro have had their moments.

Those are all religions? How many buildings has Phelps clan flown planes into?

Those are all religions? How many buildings has Phelps clan flown planes into?

How much hatred and divisiveness have these Christians spread?

similarly many Indian killed in US. so India should ban US. and yes there warning, doesn't mean people are getting raped all over.

Which Indian are you referring to ? American Indian or those that came from India?

How much hatred and divisiveness have these Christians spread?

Phelps is no Christian. There's a difference between being an a$$ and being a terrorist and murderer, surely you know that.

My question remains, what other religions beside Islam are spawning terrorists that maim, kill and cause mass physical destruction?

Hello Steve:


what other religions beside Islam are spawning terrorists that maim, kill and cause mass physical destruction?
If you were an ORDINARY peaceful Pakistani, you'd say CHRISTIANS are terrorists who maim and kill. Why wouldn't he be right? Terror from the sky is TERROR, whether it happens in NY City, or Northern Waziristan.

You DO think we're a Christian nation, don't you? Why shouldn't HE think the same thing?

Excon

Why can you not put the jihadists in the same category as Phelps, A$$HOLES? There are 2.2 billion Muslims and if they wanted a war, there would be one yet you denigrate the many by the actions of the few.

That's what makes your question prejudicial, and irrelevant. The problem isn't religion, it's the a$$holes that claim the religion. Or there part of it.

Man it really pi$$es you lefties off to connect murderous terrorists with Islam. Are you that afraid of them, because you have no qualms railing on Christians that haven't bombed anyone.

Why can you not put the jihadists in the same category as Phelps, A$$HOLES? There are 2.2 billion Muslims and if they wanted a war, there would be one yet you denigrate the many by the actions of the few.

That's what makes your question prejudicial, and irrelevant. The problem isn't religion, its the a$$holes that claim the religion. Or there part of it.

It's not prejudicial, it's FACTUAL. What's prejudicial is equating Christians that haven't killed anyone in the name of their religion with Islamists who have. You guys just cannot get it into your head that these terrorist are slaughtering innocents on behalf of and in the name of their god (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Boston+mark+week+from+Marathon+bombings+with+momen t+silence/8275480/story.html). Why can't you admit that?

When you admit that Christians are pedophiles, and baby killers.

When you admit that Christians are pedophiles, and baby killers.

Dude, try something that hasn't been done to death. How many times do you have to hear us condemn pedophilia in the church before you drop that bullsh*t line? And if you're referring to abortion you know as well as anyone, in fact your side preaches it on a regular basis, that's a choice the individual woman makes. My church publicly and unashamedly stands against abortion, we don't dictate how people live their lives.

Your turn.

While y'all are still trying to come up with a real answer to my question, chew on this The DNC and its chairperson Debbie Downer is already using the Boston bombing to build their email list - under the guise of thanking the first responders.

Battenfeld: Political ploy masked as gratitude? No thank you (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/joe_battenfeld/2013/04/battenfeld_political_ploy_masked_as_gratitude_no)

I know most of you won't take issue with such a crass political ploy, so carry on.

This is a classic “data mining” techniqueYep, used by every single consumer-centric corporation and most retail stores and most websites. It is 100% voluntary opt-in - don't like it?. then don't use that website!

Thanks for the obvious.

No problem, I noticed you had missed it.

No problem, I noticed you had missed it.

Actually, that was the "under the guise" part of my post.

I think most consumers are wise enough to know what's going on when they are asked for their email and postal code.
That's how we target advertising for the markets and consumer profiles we want to hit. Then again when buying something cash at a store and I'm asked for any personal info I decline and say 'cash sale' please.

The topic would be the ethics of Democrats exploiting a terrorist attack.

Since that doesn't seem to be an ethical issue to you back to my question, what other religions beside Islam are spawning terrorists that maim, kill and cause mass physical destruction?

Wondergirl gave you an answer way back here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/boston-745271-3.html#post3448203

Uh huh, and I responded. Back to my question, what other religions beside Islam are spawning terrorists that maim, kill and cause mass physical destruction? Not 'Christian' identity groups, militant Cuban exiles, pathetic anti-abortion idiots, moronic a$$holes pretending to be a church, or leftist environment groups (though I find it interesting she would list a spawn of Obama's pal Bill Ayers' group in there).

Let me answer that for you, there are none.

So it's the religion to blame and not the fundamentalists who subvert it?

So its the religion to blame and not the fundamentalists who subvert it?

Christianity has love as it's foundation and it's mission is to persuade the world through love in it's founder's example and in the name of their God. Those who do otherwise have subverted our religion.

Islam's mission is to conquer the world by bringing every man, woman and child into submission to Islam, voluntarily or by force, in it's founder's example and in the name of their god. Those who do so are just following their leader.

Both religions have strayed from their path. I agree that Islam fundamentalists are the more dangerous of the two.

Hello Steve:


what other religions beside Islam are spawning terrorists that maim, kill and cause mass physical destruction? If you were an ORDINARY peaceful Pakistani, you'd say CHRISTIANS are terrorists who maim and kill. Why wouldn't he be right? Terror from the sky is TERROR, whether it happens in NY City, or Northern Waziristan.

You DO think we're a Christian nation, don't you? Why shouldn't HE think the same thing?

Excon

(4) Is Russia going to help us find out what the dead terrorist was DOING when he went there?

(5) Should the live one be tried by military tribunal or by the federal court?

(6) Should Miranda be read to him? If so, when?



I think Lindsey Graham ,John McCain should read the laws they pass. The 2012 National Defense Authorization Act says "a person who was a part of or substantially supported Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners" are eligible for military detention. So far there is no evidence that would justify that definition.
Graham and McCain have spent most of the last decade trying to confer constitutional due process rights on unlawful foreign enemy combatants .It is amusing to watch their sudden conversion.
I think the Justice Dept had best tread cautiously on the issue of the delayed Miranda reading too. The case against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is rock solid . The only thing that could derail it is a procedural snafu.

Hey He's an american, you are just going to have to live with that. That he wasn't born there or perhaps didn't spend his formative years there? Well that's cancelled out by his mind altering religion.

Who cares anyway, he should be treated as he treated others, made to stand in front of a pressure cooker bomb full of ball bearings and nails. If you stopped your namby pamby ways maybe you would have less of this sort of thing

Two things, The Boston bomber was estranged from his own family, and Muslim community, and the Canadians were tipped off by Muslim clerics of the loon who was going to blow up trains.

A loon is dangerous from any religion, and the religion is but a dressing for a dark mind. There are a lot of psychopaths out there.

Two things, The Boston bomber was estranged from his own family, and Muslim community, and the Canadians were tipped off by Muslim clerics of the loon who was going to blow up trains.

A loon is dangerous from any religion, and the religion is but a dressing for a dark mind. There are a lot of psychopaths out there.

Come on admit it, you think it's our fault.

Hello Steve:

If you were an ORDINARY peaceful Pakistani, you'd say CHRISTIANS are terrorists who maim and kill. Why wouldn't he be right? Terror from the sky is TERROR, whether it happens in NY City, or Northern Waziristan.

You DO think we're a Christian nation, don't you? Why shouldn't HE think the same thing?

excon


Is there an echo in here?

Hello again, Steve:

I noticed you didn't answer the first time, so I thought I'd try again. You know me... Persistent.

excon

If the American military were doing it in the name of Jesus instead of the US government I could see their point.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits | Boston Herald (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tamerlan_tsarnaev_got_mass_welfare_benefits)

Unbelievable !

Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.

State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state's Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev's attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.

His wife was doing double time at work while this bum collected welfare and planned his assault .

The whole issue got diverted to religious line and the possible action after the attack is still not there. Russians are willing to act but that's just be waiting till they act. If the guy confess then a case can be filed against his group or organization in the other country with cooperation of their government. Diplomatic measures might already been taken to put pressure on other side.

Yep, taxpayers were funding his jihad.

Hello again,

Yep, taxpayers were funding his jihad.OMG! We've been HOSED! He was driving on the roads I PAID for too. I wonder if he ate any SUBSIDIZED food that I PAID for.. Do you think he used SUBSIDIZED gasoline that I PAID for? Man, we've not only been attacked, we've been ripped off.

Here's the solution... Let's not let ANYBODY in, and let's make everybody show their ID when they buy gasoline or Micky D's.

Oh yeah, and let's stop welfare too.. Who knows? There might be a couple more out there HOSING us. That'll show those terrorists.

Excon

About funding, there are bigger groups involved in terror funding. Not only taxpayer money but investors money misused. An investigation on similar line going on about HSBC group for money laundering. Terror roots are deeper than they appear.

Hello again,
OMG! We've been HOSED! He was driving on the roads I PAID for too. I wonder if he ate any SUBSIDIZED food that I PAID for.. Do you think he used SUBSIDIZED gasoline that I PAID for? Man, we've not only been attacked, we've been ripped off.

Here's the solution... Let's not let ANYBODY in, and let's make everybody show their ID when they buy gasoline or Micky D's.

Oh yeah, and let's stop welfare too.. Who knows? There might be a couple more out there HOSING us. That'll show those terrorists.

excon

Or we could just say immigrants are not eligible for welfare until they are American citizens.

Hello again,
OMG! We've been HOSED! He was driving on the roads I PAID for too. I wonder if he ate any SUBSIDIZED food that I PAID for.. Do you think he used SUBSIDIZED gasoline that I PAID for? Man, we've not only been attacked, we've been ripped off.

Here's the solution... Let's not let ANYBODY in, and let's make everybody show their ID when they buy gasoline or Micky D's.

Oh yeah, and let's stop welfare too.. Who knows? There might be a couple more out there HOSING us. That'll show those terrorists.

excon

ZZZZzzzz...

Russian authorities alerted the US government not once but ``multiple'' times over their concerns about Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- including a second time nearly a year after he was first interviewed by FBI agents in Boston -- raising new questions about whether the FBI should have focused more attention on the suspected Boston Marathon bomber, according to US senators briefed on the probe Tuesday.

The FBI has previously said it interviewed Tsarnaev in early 2011 after it was initially contacted by the Russians. After that review, the FBI has said, it determined he did not pose a threat.

In a closed briefing on Tuesday, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee learned that Russia alerted the United States about Tsarnaev in ``multiple contacts'' -- including ``at least once since October 2011,''

Russia contacted FBI `multiple’ times on concerns about alleged Boston Marathon bomber - Nation - The Boston Globe (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/04/23/russia-contacted-fbi-multiple-times-concerns-about-alleged-boston-marathon-bomber/ND0bhUdq1Tp1mRuC8xlb8N/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw)

I guess we need a fence all around the whole freakin' country??

And what would/could the FBI have done? Until someone commits a crime, the person of interest can't be jailed or removed from society somehow.

Are you seriously saying that we have to wait for the bombs to go off before action is taken ?

Are you seriously saying that we have to wait for the bombs to go off before action is taken ?
That seems to be what happens. Mentally ill (et al.) people cannot be jailed or kept from society unless they have done something to show they are a danger to themselves or to others.

Are you saying he was mentally ill and it wasn't his fault he had to blow some people up?

Umm well I for one think that given the multiple warnings that they dropped the ball on this . Just like they dropped the ball on the 9-11 attacks . This wasn't a case of mentally ill .This was a case of having reasonable suspicion that the guy was up to no good . What did they do ? Dismiss the warning as not credible because it came from the Russians ? The Russians were telling us that the older Tsarnaev brother had radical Islamist links. The FBI has surveilled for much less than that .

Are you saying he was mentally ill and it wasn't his fault he had to blow some people up?
Wow! That's a fantastically absurd extrapolation of what I actually said!

umm well I for one think that given the multiple warnings that they dropped the ball on this . Just like they dropped the ball on the 9-11 attacks . This wasn't a case of mentally ill .This was a case of having reasonable suspicion that the guy was up to no good . What did they do ? dismiss the warning as not credible because it came from the Russians ? The Russians were telling us that the older Tsarnaev brother had radical Islamist links. The FBI has surveilled for much less than that .
I had said "mentally ill (et al.)" to include anyone else else who might be up to no good. So there is suspicion and surveillance. Nothing can really be done about it unless the suspects take some kind of action. Right ?

Wow! That's a fantastically absurd extrapolation of what I actually said!If you play enough in the Current Events board you see this A LOT.

If you play enough in the Current Events board you see this A LOT.
I read this board all the time and hesitate to post simply because I usually get ignored or unfairly shot down.

Hello Carol:

I'll NEVER ignore you again.

excon

I had said "mentally ill (et al.)" to include anyone else else who might be up to no good. So there is suspicion and surveillance. Nothing can really be done about it unless the suspects take some kind of action. Right ?

Nope ;the FBI has been pretty successful in setting up stings to prevent such attacks . There are a lot of unanswered questions . Given that the older brother was a welfare case ,how was he able to travel for so long ? He went 6 months to Dagestan in 2012 . What was he doing there ? How was this operation financed ?
Seriously... there is no conclusion you can draw except the fact that the FBI and DHS dropped the ball.

Wow! That's a fantastically absurd extrapolation of what I actually said!

No, it was a question, hence the question mark. It's not out of the realm of possibilities because we already have elements saying the whole thing is our fault. I was hoping you didn't see it that way and you've confirmed it, so don't get all bent out of shape.

If you play enough in the Current Events board you see this A LOT.

And if they stick around long enough they'll see your nonsense, too.

Over at the NY Times Tom Friedman has the answer to the question everyone is asking in the wake of the bombing, what now? The answer? Rebuild America and the place to start is with a carbon tax (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/opinion/sunday/friedman-how-to-put-america-back-together-again.html).


UNTIL we fully understand what turned two brothers who allegedly perpetrated the Boston Marathon bombings into murderers, it is hard to make any policy recommendation other than this: We need to redouble our efforts to make America stronger and healthier so it remains a vibrant counterexample to whatever bigoted ideology may have gripped these young men...

...


So what to do? We need a more “radical center” — one much more willing to suggest radically new ideas to raise revenues, not the “split-the-difference-between-the-same-old-options center.” And the best place to start is with a carbon tax.

Yes, obviously the best place to start with preventing such another attack is with a new tax. You can't make this stuff up.

Yes, obviously the best place to start with preventing such another attack is with a new tax. You can't make this stuff up.You knowingly cut out a whole lot of content in the middle of the article. The carbon tax line has nothing to do discussion ways to prevent another attack. It was referring to the current budget talks.
Your lies are tiresome.

Is Friedman still pretending he's an economist ? I kind of thing the best course we should take is to build build build the pipelines and drill baby drill.

Il Duce Cuomo tried to link the attack to climate change too:

One gets the sense that this is more reflective of the, quote, unquote, new normal, if you will. So much of society is changing so rapidly, we talk about a new normal when it comes to climate change and adjusting to a change in the weather patterns. New normal when it comes to public security in a post-9/11 world where these random acts of violence, which at one time were implausible, now seem all too frequent.

nope ;the FBI has been pretty successful in setting up stings to prevent such attacks . There are alot of unanswered questions . Given that the older brother was a welfare case ,how was he able to travel for so long ? He went 6 months to Dagestan in 2012 . What was he doing there ? How was this operation financed ?
Seriously ... there is no conclusion you can draw except the fact that the FBI and DHS dropped the ball.
His wife worked her butt off, so that income plus money he received from welfare (and parents?) could have easily paid into his flights to and from Dagestan. Once he was at his parents, he didn't do much, sounds like. He slept until 3 p.m. every day; his father asked him if he came to visit or to sleep. How much does it cost to fly round trip to Russia?

New reports say the bombing idea was a recent one, had just been whomped up and put into operation since the beginning of the year.

You knowingly cut out a whole lot of content in the middle of the article.

Dude, the... at the end of the first quote and the... between the paragraphs are clear indications that content was omitted. Secondly I linked the source so I hid nothing. I happen to believe people can read the whole damn thing for themselves without your help if they want to Now when you show a news source, any news source that quotes the entire context of anything you might have a point, but you won't so you don't.


The carbon tax line has nothing to do discussion ways to prevent another attack. It was referring to the current budget talks.

Wrong bucko, that paragraph began with this line:

Rebuilding our strength has to start with healing our economy.

His idea to do just that is to start with a carbon tax, "And the best place to start is with a carbon tax." I stand by my original post as an accurate representation regardless of your tiresome protests.


Your lies are tiresome.

Since you think you know everything can you tell what I'm thinking now?

Sorry, you're wrong. You're trying to mislead people, you do it all the time for some sorry political point.

ZZZZZzzzzz...

His wife worked her butt off, so that income plus money he received from welfare (and parents?) could have easily paid into his flights to and from Dagestan. Once he was at his parents, he didn't do much, sounds like. He slept until 3 p.m. every day; his father asked him if he came to visit or to sleep. How much does it cost to fly round trip to Russia?

New reports say the bombing idea was a recent one, had just been whomped up and put into operation since the beginning of the year.

I think I'll wait for the hard hitting press investigation... I'm sure just like Benghazi ,we will hear the truth from the administration and the compliant press.

I think I'll wait for the hard hitting press investigation
What WILL you believe?

I think I'll wait for the hard hitting press investigation... I'm sure just like Benghazi ,we will hear the truth from the administration and the compliant press.

If you believe that you will believe anything

Over at the NY Times Tom Friedman has the answer to the question everyone is asking in the wake of the bombing, what now? The answer? Rebuild America and the place to start is with a carbon tax (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/opinion/sunday/friedman-how-to-put-america-back-together-again.html).



Yes, obviously the best place to start with preventing such another attack is with a new tax. You can't make this stuff up.

I assume you got the selected quote directly from a media source, so I am not accusing you of dishonesty. But it is actually a dishonest media ploy.

It works like this:

An example in this case would be starting a paragraph that ends with words such as "bigoted ideology", "gripped these men". You then leave out a significant part of the text and come in with a paragraph using words such as "radical centre", thus linking the author to the emotive words in the above paragraph. In this example it would be, "bigoted ideology" "gripped these men", "radical centre".

You then claim that you were not using any of these words in a context. The terms you were just using the words that were actually there. It just so happens that the author used the term "radical" as a solution. You go on to say that the selected words of the author just so happened to find themselves close to the other radical explanations that were found in the article.

I am not blaming you, but this is the worst type of dishonest journalism.

Man you are certainly not part of the solution are you?

I assume you got the selected quote directly from a media source, so I am not accusing you of dishonesty. But it is actually a dishonest media ploy.

It works like this:

An example in this case would be starting a paragraph that ends with words such as "bigoted ideology", "gripped these men". You then leave out a significant part of the text and come in with a paragraph using words such as "radical centre", thus linking the author to the emotive words in the above paragraph. In this example it would be, "bigoted ideology" "gripped these men", "radical centre".

You then claim that you were not using any of these words in a context. The terms you were just using the words that were actually there. It just so happens that the author used the term "radical" as a solution. You go on to say that the selected words of the author just so happened to find themselves close to the other radical explanations that were found in the article.

I am not blaming you, but this is the worst type of dishonest journalism.

I'm not a journalist, this is a discussion board with a character limit, I almost always link the source (which in this case is a first person source) so I cannot be honestly accused of being a liar as is NK's sole contribution to the discussion. So in my opinion if you want to take issue take issue with the guy dishonestly calling me a liar whose sole purpose on this forum seems to be attacking me. I misrepresented nothing, I focused on the source's admitted primary solution, quoted verbatim.

I'm not a journalist, this is a discussion board with a character limit, I almost always link the source (which in this case is a first person source) so I cannot be honestly accused of being a liar as is NK's sole contribution to the discussion. So in my opinion if you want to take issue take issue with the guy dishonestly calling me a liar whose sole purpose on this forum seems to be attacking me. I misrepresented nothing, I focused on the source's admitted primary solution, quoted verbatim.


I wasn't accusing you of doing anything deliberately wrong. My attack was on a journalistic style that seems to have become popular with certain sections of the media.

An example of this type of journalism might come in the form of a live coverage of some crime in progress or a crime that has just been committed.

A scenario might be that the police have in a custody a person of Latin American appearance. While not linking this to actual events the commentators talk about illegal immigration in general. While not linking this to actual events taking place they might talk about countries in Latin America having radical left or right wing governments that might be seeking revenge. While not linking this to actual events they might talk about radical religions.

All they are doing is having a political conversation in general. It just so happens that a lot of controversial words were used in isolation to the events. It just so happens that these words appeared in proximity to the actual events

Furthermore, they would claim that if people make certain links and jump to conclusions when it comes to these words, then it not their problem.

In the end news organizations are not doing anything wrong. After all, no one expects journalists exercise responsibility in these matters..

I wasn't accusing you of doing anything deliberately wrong. My attack was on a journalistic style that seems to have become popular with certain sections of the media.

An example of this type of journalism might come in the form of a live coverage of some crime in progress or a crime that has just been committed.

A scenario might be that the police have in a custody a person of Latin American appearance. While not linking this to actual events the commentators talk about illegal immigration in general. While not linking this to actual events taking place they might talk about countries in Latin America having radical left or right wing governments that might be seeking revenge. While not linking this to actual events they might talk about radical religions.

All they are doing is having a political conversation in general. It just so happens that a lot of controversial words were used in isolation to the events. It just so happens that these words appeared in close proximity to the actual events

Furthermore, they would claim that if people make certain links and jump to conclusions when it comes to these words, then it not their problem.

In the end news organizations are not doing anything wrong. After all, no one expects journalists exercise responsibility in these matters..

Ok, and I like to think you are a fair guy. But like I said this is a discussion forum with limited space for us to post so abbreviated quotes are a necessity, so I'd think as a fair guy you'd be more concerned with a fellow member accusing me wrongly than you would be with journalistic styles.

What WILL you believe?

So far the fact are leading me to believe that the 0 administration is plagued with the same lack of communication between intelligence agencies that preceded 9-11-01 .
It was revealed yesterday that the CIA wanted Tamarin Tsarnaev placed on the no fly list .
Russian officials contacted the FBI in March 2011, then reached out to the CIA in September 2011, citing concerns he might have been associating with extremists.Because he was a permanent resident of the U.S. the CIA alerted the FBI, DHS etc "specifying that Tamerlan may be of interest to them" .
Janet Napolitano said U.S. authorities were aware when he traveled to Russia in January 2012, because the system "pinged" when his name was entered in flight data. Yet 6 months later when he returned ,there was no follow up interview by any of the agencies.
What is not known is what he did for 6 months overseas . You say he lounged around like a lazy bum. I think he was there for other reasons . What we do know is that less than a year after his trip ,he was blowing up innocent people in Boston . His radicalism was evident to EVERYONE who associated with him . And yet , there was no investigation of him even though there were multiple warnings .

Tom not everyone who goes to these places goes for terrorism, I went to Pakistan immediately after Bhutto's death, make something out of it

Were you on terror lists from 2 intelligence agencies ?were the Russians calling and warning about you ?

The left that continues to enlighten us on the possible reasons except the obvious one that these guys had to bomb people. The folks who brought you it's our fault, it's Bush's fault and brain damage from boxing now give you the real reason... rap music (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2013/04/22/georgetown-professor-tamerlan-tsarnaev-motivated-much-rap-jihad).

Isn't that somehow linking the black community to the bombing?

Depends... was it Emminem videos ?

Don't know, but he did quote him on Twitter the day after the dirty deed.

The left that continues to enlighten us on the possible reasons except the obvious one that these guys had to bomb people. The folks who brought you it's our fault, it's Bush's fault and brain damage from boxing now give you the real reason...rap music (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2013/04/22/georgetown-professor-tamerlan-tsarnaev-motivated-much-rap-jihad).

Isn't that somehow linking the black community to the bombing?

Not really, but I would imagine that by selective quoting and juxtaposing paragraphs you could imply that is the case.

The New York Times thinks the Boston bombers "self-radicalized" on the Web. But it didn't look at their mosque, which has churned out other terrorists, too.

USA Today, on the other hand, did look at their mosque — the Islamic Society of Boston — and found "a curriculum that radicalizes people," according to a local source quoted in the paper's investigation. "Other people have been radicalized there."

In fact, several ISB members and leaders have been convicted or suspected of terrorism, including:

• Abdurahman Alamoudi, the mosque's founder and first president, who in 2004 was sentenced to 23 years in federal prison for plotting terrorism as al-Qaida's top fundraiser in America.

• Aafia Siddiqui, an MIT scientist-turned-al-Qaida agent, who in 2010 was sentenced to 86 years in prison for planning a New York chemical attack.

• Tarek Mehanna, who in 2012 was sentenced to 17 years for plotting to use automatic weapons to murder shoppers in a suburban Boston mall.

• Ahmad Abousamra, an ex-mosque official's son, who fled the country after the FBI charged him with conspiring with Mehanna to kill Americans.

• Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a mosque trustee and Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood leader banned from the U.S. after issuing a fatwa that OK'd killing U.S. soldiers.

• Jamal Badawi, a former ISB trustee who in 2007 was named an unindicted co-conspirator in a plan to funnel $12 million to Palestinian suicide bombers.

In justifying mall attacks, the FBI said Abousamra stated "civilians were not innocent because they paid taxes to support the government and because they were kaffir (non-Muslims)."

The Tsarnaev brothers, who killed three and injured some 200 spectators, appeared to share that rationale.

In 2009, ISB invited Yasir Qadhi to speak, even though the Saudi radical advocates turning the U.S. into an Islamic state and calls Christians "filthy" polytheists whose "life holds no value in the state of jihad."

The Tsarnaev brothers, who began radicalizing in 2009, posted YouTube videos featuring imams exhorting the death of Christians and Jews and calling for the establishment of the caliphate.

ISB leaders have defended its rotten apples, including Siddiqui and Mehanna, despite overwhelming evidence against them.

USA Today reports the mosque gets millions from the Saudis, who push an anti-Western strain of Islam. And it's run by the Muslim American Society, which the FBI believes is the main U.S. front for the Muslim Brotherhood, which created Hamas and al-Qaida.

In its propaganda, MAS routinely claims America is at war with Islam. The younger Tsarnaev brother cited this myth as a reason for attacking innocents.

President Obama vows to finally crack down on terrorists. Perhaps he should focus on the spiritual factories radicalizing them.
Were Boston Bombers Self-Radicalized? No, They Got Help From Mosque - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042513-653590-boston-bombers-attended-mosque-known-for-terrorism.htm)

Katherine Russell Tsarnaeva, the wife of Tamerlan Tsarnaev is being looked at by investigators as a possible accomplice.

Dzokhar Tsarnaev supposedly told investigarors that she called her husband after the FBI released photos and videos of the Tsarnaev brothers. She gave them the heads up that the FBI was looking for them. According the his statement she wasn't surprised her husband was involved ,or upset about it. That call was what prompted them to attempt their escape.
She claims she knew nothing of their plans . But she also did not call the FBI and let them know who they were looking for. Instead ,she called to warn her husband. That call may cost her .

Boston bombing: US Muslims react with fear, frustration, and new resolve - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2013/0425/Boston-bombing-US-Muslims-react-with-fear-frustration-and-new-resolve/(page)/4)


Still, the Muslim community appears to understand the need to confront radicalism within its ranks.

“Radicalism is a problem because even if it recruits one person, that's one person too many,” says Mr. Al-Marayati of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. “Some 0.1 percent of radicals are relevant to American society, whereas 99.9 percent of Muslims remain irrelevant. We have to change that equation.”

In fact, according to a Muslim American Public Opinion Survey, religious Muslims are actually less likely to engage in anti-American extremism, and “mosques and religiosity are associated with high levels of civic engagement and support for the American political system.”

I guess it's the Muslims turn to be denigrated as a people in a country that has a history of doing it.

Oh boo hoo. It's perfectly fine to denigrate Christians with impunity. Our target is narrow and specific, radical Islamists that want to kill us and destroy our way of life.

Are you in denial that radical Islamists want to kill us and destroy our way of life? If you doubt that I can't help you, the evidence could not be more clear. If you recognize that why tiptoe around it, confront it for what it is.

I don't attach a religion to the loony criminals out there. They are all a danger to the peace and safety of the honest law abiding citizen. Radical Islamics are as much a cult to the larger body as white supremacists are to Christianity. Bad humans are just bad humans and killers are the worst. Who cares what bible they read, or the country they are from, or the methods they use?

Tal, entire countries live under Islamic law. People are stoned in public, heads and hands are cut off, women are OPPRESSED beyond belief. How can you NOT attach religion to it?? Seriously?

Yes many countries are as you describe, and I don't abide by it, but many are not as backward. Why ignore the better examples of Islam which are the majority for the few bad apples? I wouldn't do that to Christians or any other religion.

Have Christians forgot where they came from? As many of you have evolved and put your sordid past behind you, so shall others, and many have already. Or you don't mind the term Christian Radicals. The ones who blew up churches and hanged people. The ones to this day engage in bad behavior fueled by hate.

Are you defending the fool who shot up a mosque of Sikhs?

Yes many countries are as you describe, and I don't abide by it, but many are not as backward. Why ignore the better examples of Islam which are the majority for the few bad apples? I wouldn't do that to Christians or any other religion.

Have Christians forgot where they came from? As many of you have evolved and put your sordid past behind you, so shall others, and many have already. Or you don't mind the term Christian Radicals. The ones who blew up churches and hanged people. The ones to this day engage in bad behavior fueled by hate.

Are you defending the fool who shot up a mosque of Sikhs?

You're the same guy who post after post railed on us for imposing our beliefs on you. You're the same guy that brought up pedophiles and baby killers in the church. Now you have the audacity to ask, "Why ignore the better examples of Islam which are the majority for the few bad apples?"

Unbelievable. One can only conclude you're in denial or afraid of offending Muslims. I understand though, it takes no courage to bad mouth Christians who will do you no harm.

If the entire mosque was radicalized I think that was justification enough for some surveillance . Certainly if not the mosque ,then Tamerlan Tsarnaev should've been subject to some warrentless wiretapping... that were codified under the 2008 FISA Amendments Act, by the Democrat led Congress .

Terror Watch List Counter: A Million Plus | American Civil Liberties Union (http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus)


In September 2007, the Inspector General of the Justice Department reported that the Terrorist Screening Center (the FBI-administered organization that consolidates terrorist watch list information in the United States) had over 700,000 names in its database as of April 2007 - and that the list was growing by an average of over 20,000 records per month.1 (See also this new March 2008 report.2 )

We can't keep up with the millions of real criminals buying a gun, yet you expect a million people to be watched? Soft targets to be guarded? Why buy a gun when its easier to buy bomb material?

Cheaper too!

BS they dropped the ball on the guy. They got specific warnings from the Russians ,multiple times . His name popped up from the data base ,so DHS knew he was travelling . Millions of people are NOT travelling over seas to a den of jihadism, and spending half a year before returning to the US .So that narrows the list considerably .
The warrentless wiretapping was tailor made for someone like him .For one thing ;there would be NO question today if he was in communication with outside jihadists . We would know if there was outside funding sources . For another it is likely that he communicated with his brother over the phone about the plot.
As I noted ,he attended a radicalize Mosque . You mean to tell me that when the FBI interviewed him before he travelled that they did not know that ? And why not ?

Now we learn the mom was on the terrorist database too. Jeeze ,we let anyone in this country !
http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspects-mom-terror-database-171946561.html?fb_action_ids=10200551681107701%2C1 0200640914121206&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=p%3D5629&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210200551681107701%22%3A365 406903565855%2C%2210200640914121206%22%3A522908861 100298%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210200551681107701%22%3A%22ne ws.reads%22%2C%2210200640914121206%22%3A%22news.re ads%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210200640914121206%22%3A%22p%3 D5629%22%7D

American Indians probably said the same thing.

As long as our domestic law enforcement can't ,or choose to ignore the obvious threats then yes it's a huge problem that we let anyone in the country . Despite all the evidence the FBI seemed unable to see Tsarnaev as a threat. Maybe the problem is that the agents were trained not to see it.

FBI training manuals were systematically purged in 2011 of all references to Islam that were judged offensive by a specially created five-member panel. Three of the panel members were Muslim advocates from outside the FBI, which still refuses to make public their identities. Nearly 900 pages were removed from the manuals as a result of that review. Several congressmen were allowed to review the removed materials in 2012, on condition that they not disclose what they read to their staffs, the media, or the general public.

With the recent proliferation of revelations about FBI blindness on the Brothers Tsarnaev, a comment made last year by Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, to Flatten now has a tragic resonance: "We've got material being removed more because of political correctness than in the interest of truth and properly educated justice officials. We are blinding our enforcement officers from the ability to see who the enemy actually is." The Boston bombing showed the tragic consequences of that blindness.

Examiner Editorial: How the FBI was blinded by political correctness | WashingtonExaminer.com (http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-how-the-fbi-was-blinded-by-political-correctness/article/2528180)

Or we could assume that the FBI saw greater threats than these loonies to pursue. Without full facts why assume in the first place? The threat from these guys is over and an investigation is under way. And there is no doubt that they are still looking at somebody else now for sure.

But if you want to round up everybody at all the suspicious churches and deport them, be my guest. Hell you can't find all the Mexicans yet.

Don't want to round up "everybody " . Don't want jihadists blowing up people here either . It does little good to the 200 victims that they are investigating after the event when all the evidence they needed was in front of them before the attack. I'm not assuming nothing . I know that he did not get the triggering device from that AQ web magazine. I already have read the issue everyone is talking about and I know that the triggers used were more sophisticated than anything in the magazine .More probable is that he was trained in the 6 months overseas to build it.

The left is unbelievable . The smoke had not cleared from Manhattan before they began pointing fingers and demanding answers to what broke down on 9-11-01 . But now when one of their own is in charge they are doing everything to deflect from the very obvious. And you are still doing the same thing about Benghazi,, gee " what does it matter ? "

Oh I have no doubt there is more to the story, just as with Benghazi, just not a nefarious as you want to claim. That's why I hold my water about the grand conspiracy theory, or bungled incompetence until the rest of the facts come out.

Of course I understand the zeal on the right to seize on any rock they can to throw at the left, but prefer all the facts, not just yours, or the spin you so love to apply.

just not a nefarious as you want to claim oh I'm sure it's even more that what I've been saying . Now the mom is a person of interest as she was on a watch list .

Follow the story... you will see.

Taxpayers funded the Tsarnaev family to the tune of $100,000 + in welfare benefits, cash and food stamps in the time they lived here .
Tsarnaev family received $100G in benefits | Boston Herald (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits)

Tamerlan also benefitted from a tax payers provided attorney when he had to defend himself against domestic violence charges. There once was a principle of immigration called the 'Public Charge Doctrine' . Basically the idea was that we would not accept immigration of people who would become a burden ,dependent on public charity. Ironically Massachusetts enacted the earliest public charge laws in 1645. The immigration law provides for the deportation of aliens who rely on public assistance for a substantial part of their livelihoods within five years of entering the United States.
But the rate of deportation steadily decreased in the 20th Century until it was almost non-existent. Today ,about 20 % of all immigrant households are enrolled in welfare programs.Yet , only 0.0084 % of applicants from 2005-2012 were denied visas under the assumption that they would constitute a public charge. And as the US has ever expanded it's public assistance programs ,the immigrant population has also increased their usage. Today as an example ,the USDA has brochures it distributes to Mexican consulates as part of its “partnership” with the Mexican government to help educate eligible Mexican nationals living in the United States about available nutrition assistance.“If I get on SNAP benefits, will I be a 'public charge?'” ...........“No. You and your family can apply for and receive SNAP benefits without hurting your chance of becoming U.S. citizens.” It goes even further ....“If you are not eligible due to your immigration status, your legal immigrant or citizen children may still qualify,” ...”You do not have to provide immigration information about yourself when you apply for your legal immigrant or citizen children.”
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/outreach/Translations/English/313Brochure.pdf


The chief goal of American immigration policy is to admit productive, self-reliant individuals who positively contribute to society. Public charges fall under the category of “undesirables.” They put a drain on society, rather than contribute productively and positively to it.
The Tsarnaev family is the poster family for such abuse of the system. Our generous welfare system enabled Tamerlan to finance his radicalization .Instead of going out and getting a job ,this healthy young man became a raadical Muslim surfed jihadist websites ;and planned to wage war on the country that took him and his family in as "refugees".

Hello again, tom:

Let me see. Terrorist received welfare. Ergo, welfare funds terrorism. Therefore, welfare and immigration should be stopped.

Right wing logic is flawed.

excon

As opposed to left-wing logic that says if only we'd given him more and made him feel more welcome, it's our own fault he clung to Jihadis.

As opposed to left-wing logic that says if only we'd given him more and made him feel more welcome, it's our own fault he clung to Jihadis.Where is that left-wing policy written?

As opposed to left-wing logic that says if only we'd given him more and made him feel more welcome, it's our own fault he clung to Jihadis.

That's not left wing logic, that's right wing spin.

That's not left wing logic, that's right wing spin.

Or, if only we'd let him become a US citizen...


A Battered Dream, Then a Violent Path (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/us/shot-at-boxing-title-denied-tamerlan-tsarnaev-reeled.html?hp&_r=2&pagewanted=all&)

BOSTON — It was a blow the immigrant boxer could not withstand: after capturing his second consecutive title as the Golden Gloves heavyweight champion of New England in 2010, Tamerlan Anzorovich Tsarnaev, 23, was barred from the national Tournament of Champions because he was not a United States citizen.

The cocksure fighter, a flamboyant dresser partial to white fur and snakeskin, had been looking forward to redeeming the loss he suffered the previous year in the first round, when the judges awarded his opponent the decision, drawing boos from spectators who considered Mr. Tsarnaev dominant.

From one year to the next, though, the tournament rules had changed, disqualifying legal permanent residents — not only Mr. Tsarnaev, who was Soviet-born of Chechen and Dagestani heritage, but several other New England contenders, too. His aspirations frustrated, he dropped out of boxing competition entirely, and his life veered in a completely different direction.

The cocksure fighter, a flamboyant dresser partial to white fur and snakeskin not bad garb for a welfare bum.

You sure take the opinion of journalists well beyond a document of fact. Insightful, but hardly conclusive. You want real stories? Leave Current Events and read some questions from real people.

Family & People - Ask Me Help Desk (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family-people/)

You know what I'm dealing with in regard to my daughter but what you know only scratches the surface. I AM real people, I don't need to hear anyone else's story - we're living it - so I have no sympathy for some immigrant family getting more government handouts than my disabled daughter who has nothing will ever see. Cry me a river, these people were handed everything and then some while those women and the poor you champion that REALLY need it get the shaft.

I understand the absence of sympathy, or empathy when you are catching hell with your own reality.

Who do you want me to empathize with ? The guys who blew up an 8 year of child and 200 other victims ? As far as the people on the Family and People board. I am am not qualified to give them advice .

I have plenty of empathy but not for ingrates that have been handed everything. I just take exception to suggestions that we might need to get out of our comfort zone and see what's happening with "real people." We are real people.

You don't have to give advice to learn how others have dealt with the same issues we all have had to deal with. Believe it or not I am walking a mile in your shoes and have GREAT empathy for the situation you are navigating, Speech/Tom.

It ain't easy. Its damn hard. :(

Hello again, tom:

Lemme see. Terrorist received welfare. Ergo, welfare funds terrorism. Therefore, welfare and immigration should be stopped.

Right wing logic is flawed.

excon

We are not even selling them the rope, we are giving them the rope. Why does our government put their well-being and comfort ahead of ours? The Obots can't even utter the words terrorism let alone admit to the fact that the most successful attacks on America from jihadistan has been from jihadists who were here on some kind of visa or immigrant status.

Hello again, tom:

Your guy, George W. Bush said they HATE us because of our freedoms.. IF we THROW out all the Muslims and stop feeding our poor, the terrorists have won.

excon

And who said I wanted to kick out ALL the Muslims... who said I wanted to quit feeding the poor ? I gave very specific violations of existing law regarding immigration . I know you want open borders where everyone can come in unvetted and suck on the teet of the American taxpayer . In this specific case the lackluster enforcement of existing immigration law led directly and indirectly to the death of 3 people and the wounding of now over 200 on Patriots day.

Bus was right, the Jihadists have admitted as much. Heck, having the wrong haircut will get you snatched, beaten and your head shaved (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/29/gaza-police-shaving-heads-men-western) in Gaza. How you can interpret any of this as plans or desires to "THROW out all the Muslims and stop feeding our poor" is beyond me, you're sounding awfully radical lately.

Speech radical is all muslims understand, you have to be radical when dealing with them, it is simple they kill yours, you kill theirs, they will not judge you for it, because they know the law

Turns out the Ruskies weren't the only ones to warn us about Tamerlan Tsarnaev . The Saudis warned us based on "human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.”
The Saudis also denied him an entry visa in December 2011, when he hoped to make a pilgrimage to Mecca. He was even too radical for the Saudis! I have to say ,he appears to have been quite the world traveller for a welfare bum.
Saudi Arabian ambassador in Washington DENIES his nation warned the United States about Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2012 | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317493/Saudi-Arabian-ambassador-Washington-DENIES-nation-warned-United-States-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-2012.html)

DHS is pulling a Sergeant Shultz on the Saudi warning .
Sargent Schultz - I know nothing, I am not here - I did not even get up this morning! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs)

Seems no one wants the body of the bomber, not funeral homes, not cemeteries. Ex thinks we should force pharmacists to sell whatever he wants them to, should we force them take the body of a terrorist also?

He served a good purpose as a speed bump


Just a thought. I'd pay a pig farmer for a small plot on the farm. Money well spent.

His body should be send to his relatives. If they accept it. Why there is no terror incident in Japan or I don't heard about it. Japanese have some policy.

One suspect of Boston case got bail. How could he get bail? In such matter.

"one suspect of Boston case got bail. how could he get bail? in such matter."

Legally, why not?

He'll be confined to his mother's home and be required to wear an electronic monitoring device 24/7 while he awaits trial. He'll also have to post a $100,000 bond
Boston Marathon bomb suspect's friend to be released on bail (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/06/boston-bombing-marathon-friend-bail-hearing-robel-phillipos/2138273/)
As of now ,he is not charged in a conspiracy to murder. I think it's a safe bet he isn't going nowhere.

I wouldn't take that bet

I thought there are different provision in law when it comes to terror.

I thought there are different provision in law when it comes to terror.

There are if the government chooses to employ them. The Obama adm avoids it unless it's absolutely unavoidable. As an example ,Major Hasan shot up Fort Hood shouting' Allahu Akbar!'until he was subdued. The administration classified the event as "workplace violence" .

Yes terror demands suspension of rights

Actually the civil courts have a much better record of convictions and jail than the alternative military gitmo process. Terrorist are nothing but glorified criminals anyway.

Criminals don't rob a liquer store because of some political ideology they are fighting for.

Hello again, tom:


criminals don't rob a liquer store because of some political ideology they are fighting for.I'm trying to remember which side of the hate crime debate you were on... Oh, that's right. I think you were on the side that didn't much CARE about what was in the mind of criminal when he committed his crime... Now, you do, huh?

Excon

criminals don't rob a liquer store because of some political ideology they are fighting for.

And a nut job who commits mass murder is still a nut job no matter what he is hollering about. McVeigh or the Ft. Hood shooter. No difference to me.

Hello again, tom:

I'm trying to remember which side of the hate crime debate you were on... Oh, that's right. I think you were on the side that didn't much CARE about what was in the mind of criminal when he committed his crime... Now, you do, huh?

excon

Completely irrelevant to the discussion because a terrorist attack is not a criminal activity .it is an act of war.

There must be a difference in the emperor's view.

Hello again, tom:

So, if I, and elderly Jewish man attacked the police station BECAUSE I don't like their POLITICS, should I be sent to Gitmo, or the county jail?

Would it be different if I were a young Arab?

Look. IF Gitmo WORKED, and if unlimited detention WORKED, and if military tribunals WORKED, I'd be all for them. But, they DON'T work. They're EXTRA Constitutional. Bush TRIED to avoid the Constitution, but fortunately (for ALL of us), he couldn't.

So, I'm for what works. The federal judicial system WORKS.

It DOESN'T work to try to get REVENGE, and that's what Gitmo looks like.

excon

And a nut job who commits mass murder is still a nut job no matter what he is hollering about. McVeigh or the Ft. Hood shooter. No difference to me.

It could easily and accurately be argued that McVeigh declared war on the United States. But some guy who thinks he's doing a college buddy a favor by tossing his back pack into the dumps is not necessarily complicit in an act of terrorism. He may have been... and if the idiots in the Justice Dept didn't cut off the interrorgation before the 48 hr rule ended,we may have found out for sure . But now we will probably never know if the guy was any more involved .

I don't know dude, if the Jew's goal was to kill or subjugate the infidels for the sake of noble and exalted goals, and for the sake of Jehovah I think Gitmo would be appropriate.

Hello again, Steve:

If it LOOKS like a duck, and all that stuff... Clearly, you're describing a hate crime.

Ohhhh, it matters WHY I hate?? No it doesn't...

excon

Clearly you don't understand Jihad, or you're in denial about it. Which is it?

Hello again, Steve:

Got nothing to do with Jihad, and everything to do with the Constitution. If you catch 'em on the battlefield, put 'em in a POW camp. If you catch 'em committing crimes in the US, put 'em on trial.

I don't CARE what they think.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Got nothing to do with Jihad, and everything to do with the Constitution. If you catch 'em on the battlefield, put 'em in a POW camp. If you catch 'em committing crimes in the US, put 'em on trial.

I don't CARE what they think.

excon

What do you not get about an act of war then?

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad)


There are two commonly accepted meanings of jihad: an inner spiritual struggle and an outer physical struggle.[1] The "greater jihad" is the inner struggle by a believer to fulfill his religious duties.[1][5] This non-violent meaning is stressed by both Muslim[6] and non-Muslim[7] authors.


In the classical manuals of Islamic jurisprudence, the rules associated with armed warfare are covered at great length. Such rules include not killing women, children and non-combatants, as well as not damaging cultivated or residential areas.[38] More recently, modern Muslims have tried to re-interpret the Islamic sources, stressing that Jihad is essentially defensive warfare aimed at protecting Muslims and Islam.[34] Although some Islamic scholars have differed on the implementation of Jihad, there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression.[39]

This is what's taught in the Quran and any other interpretation or western version is rejected by Islam and should be noted that the acts of terrorism in the name of Allah are considered blasphemy and the acts of criminals. It's a dangerous and misleading thing to take a line out of any religious writing/book and not note the entire context for understanding.

Confusion and chaos are the vehicles of those who plant the seeds of misunderstanding in furtherance of self motivation, and agendas, and history is full of these fools.

The religion never has mattered for those that subvert, and pervert for there own ends and hide those motives behind whatever god is available. The true war I with real people who have bad intentions for their own purpose and labels can distract us from these evil crazy nut job criminals. They count on our fear and hate to get over on us, and seems to be effective.

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad)





This is what's taught in the Quran and any other interpretation or western version is rejected by Islam and should be noted that the acts of terrorism in the name of Allah are considered blasphemy and the acts of criminals. Its a dangerous and misleading thing to take a line out of any religious writing/book and not note the entire context for understanding.

Confusion and chaos are the vehicles of those who plant the seeds of misunderstanding in furtherance of self motivation, and agendas, and history is full of these fools.

The religion never has mattered for those that subvert, and pervert for there own ends and hide those motives behind whatever god is available. The true war I with real people who have bad intentions for their own purpose and labels can distract us from these evil crazy nut job criminals. They count on our fear and hate to get over on us, and seems to be effective.

Spare us the namby-pamby apologetics, it's clear that Jihadistan doesn't give a rip about the Wikipedia definition. What's sad is that's exactly what they want you to believe, you've fallen right into their trap.

you've fallen right into their trap.
Whose trap?

Actually its what mainstream Islam is about and the ones you choose to believe are the actions of criminals. If YOU were right then there would be a whole lot more people trying to kill you and they wouldn't have to be sneaky about it or hide behind women and children.

Matter of fact those criminals count on you being afraid, and easily distracted by your own hate and fear. They count on the easily influenced for the soldiers to make you afraid. You probably don't know any Muslims so its understandable that you don't know what you are talking about.

Actually its what mainstream Islam is about and the ones you choose to believe are the actions of criminals. If YOU were right then there would be a whole lot more people trying to kill you and they would have to be sneaky about it or hide behind women and children.

Matter of fact those criminals count on you being afraid, and easily distracted by your own hate and fear. They count on the easily influenced for the soldiers to make you afraid. You probably don't know any Muslims so its understandable that you don't know what you are talking about.

Dude, we've already established I don't consider all Muslims terrorist so you can forget that meme and how many I know is entirely irrelevant. The difference between you and me is I'm not in denial about the reality and the goals of the Jihadists that have already killed thousands and unlike you I refuse to whitewash their Jihad, which is what they count on from you. You're a tool to them, they sit back and laugh at you.

It has nothing to do with fear, it's called REALITY. Ignore it at your peril.

You are in more danger from American criminals than jihadist. That's who your guns protect you from is it not? What you think your Remington will work against the jihadist?

What is your suggestion to protect us from Islamic radicals? Any in your neighborhood?

you are in more danger from american criminals than jihadist. That's who your guns protect you from is it not? What you think your remington will work against the jihadist?

What is your suggestion to protect us from islamic radicals? Any in your neighborhood?

Smh...

smh....

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!! Oh did you say something?

The problem of gum control could be solved in near future with political willingness and controlling arms lobby. But the problem of jihad need introspection, islam as a community need deeper discussion and introspection.

The problems of gun control can be solved with law enforcement, that is if you have enough cops looking specifically at violations, it always comes down to resources. The poli's act but fail to resource you have 270,000,000 guns and 794,000 police so on a quick count every police officer is outgunned 3,000 times and that's the ones you know about

A local intelligence assessment identified the finish line of the Marathon as an "area of increased vulnerability" and warned Boston police that extremists may use "small scale bombings" to attack spectators and runners at the event.

But what caught my eye was the fact that the FBI never informed local authorities that Tamerlan Tsarnaev(aka 'speed bump') had travelled to Dagestan; had been interviewed by the FBI at the request of the Russians.
This it the type of intelligence sharing gap that led to 9-11 . Apparently the gaps in intel sharing have not been closed yet . You would think that local officials would need to know if someone on watch lists ,who frequents radical Mosques at home ,who posted jihadists related material on his Facebook ;and had travelled outside the country to regions known for it radical Islam recruitment.


Top police officials in Boston testified to the panel that the FBI never shared with local law enforcement agencies that Tsarnaev had visited Dagestan and that FBI and Russian officials were concerned he and possibly his younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, might become radicalized extremists.

“We would have liked to have known,” said Edward F. Davis III, commissioner of the Boston Police Department. But, he said, “we were not aware of the two brothers, we were not aware of their activities.”

In fact, Davis testified, it was more than three days after the April 15 bombing, after Tamerlan was killed in a police shootout and Dzhokhar was on the run, before he learned about the Tsarnaevs.

“We didn't look at the brothers until after the shootout,” he said.

But he said he was uncertain what his local intelligence officers would have made of Tamerlan's 2011 trip to Dagestan, noting that the FBI interviewed him but found nothing suspicious and that Russian officials did not tell the FBI why they were interested in him.

“We would certainly have looked at the information,” Davis said. “We would certainly have talked to the individual.” But, he added, “I can't say I would have come to a different conclusion” than the FBI

Kurt N. Schwartz, Massachusetts undersecretary for homeland security, added that “at no time were we told about the brothers.”
Intelligence report identified vulnerability before Boston bombing - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-intelligence-report-vulnerability-boston-bombing-20130509,0,7305052.story)

the problems of gun control can be solved with law enforcement, that is if you have enough cops looking specifically at violations, it always comes down to resources. The poli's act but fail to resource you have 270,000,000 guns and 794,000 police so on a quick count every police officer is outgunned 3,000 times and that's the ones you know about

The false assumption is that every gun is in the hand of the criminal . That is not true... not even close to true.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! Oh did you say something?

I can't take my Remington (or more than 3 ounces of shampoo) on the plane, for which I have to take my shoes off, get scanned and patted down before I can get on. American criminals are not why I can't carry my tiny pocket knife to a football game, or why my wife's purse gets searched before entering Disneyland, or why my visit to Nasa was greeted by guards with fully automatic weapons...

You don't live in a perfect world Tom. You think someone should have connected the dots but that is profiling and someone over there thinks it would have been a violation of his rights to act the way you suggest

You thing every muslim is a potential bomber as I said in another thread kick all the towelheads out, problem solved

you don't live in a perfect world Tom. You think someone should have connected the dots but that is profiling and someone over there thinks it would have been a violation of his rights to act the way you suggest

You thing every muslim is a potential bomber as I said in another thread kick all the towelheads out, problem solved

No I don't . I don't believe the Muslim owner of a deli in my town ,who works in the same strip mall as a Jewish bagel shop and a Pizza place run by as native Croate is a potential bomber . Most of the Muslims in the country are not a threat . It is not that hard to find out the ones that are ;and yes ,to a degree profiling is part of the solution. When I was a kid the concern was the mafia . That meant that if law enforcement wanted to defeat the mafia they would need to do some profiling of Italian-Americans. The vast majority of Italian-Americans were law abiding citizens . Still the correct response by law enforcement was to monitor Italian American communities a little more than other communities . That is just the way it is.

Last year, when Tamerlan Tsarnaev spent six months in the Russian region of Dagestan, he had a guide with an unusually deep knowledge of the local Islamist community: a distant cousin named Magomed Kartashov. Six years older than Tsarnaev, Kartashov is a former police officer and freestyle wrestler -- and one of the region's most prominent Islamists.

In 2011, Kartashov founded and became the leader of an organization called the Union of the Just, whose members campaign for Shari'a and pan-Islamic unity in Dagestan, often speaking out against U.S. policies across the Muslim world. The group publicly renounces violence. But some of its members have close links to militants; others have served time in prison for weapons possession and abetting terrorism -- charges they say were based on fabricated evidence. For Tsarnaev, these men formed a community of pious young Muslims with whom he could discuss his ideas of jihad. Tsarnaev's mother Zubeidat confirmed that her son is Kartashov's third cousin. The two met for the first time in Dagestan, she said, and "became very close."

Kartashov told the FSB roughly the same story, Abdullaeva says, and it matches the accounts of five other men in Dagestan who know Kartashov and spent time with Tsarnaev. All of them dismiss the notion that Tsarnaev was radicalized in Dagestan. Instead, the picture that emerges from their accounts is of a young man who already carried a deep interest in Islamic radicalism when he went to Russia from his home in Massachusetts. But that curiosity evolved during his visit. The members of Kartashov's circle say they tried to disabuse Tsarnaev of his sympathies for local militants. By the end of his time in Dagestan, Tsarnaev's interests seem to have shifted from the local insurgency to a more global notion of Islamic struggle -- closer to the one espoused by Kartashov's organization

Boston Bombings: Relative of Tamerlan Tsarnaev Is a Prominent Islamist | TIME.com (http://world.time.com/2013/05/08/exclusive-cousin-who-became-close-to-tamerlan-tsarnaev-in-dagestan-is-a-prominent-islamist/)

Better coordination and intelligence sharing should be a norm for us now between feds and locals. Unfortunately its not and its is a resourcing issue as well. Heck we can't track ordinary criminals at 100% efficiency either.

Hello again,

Bush and Cheney are dufus's. Their solution is, if you have agencies that aren't communicating with each other, throw BILLIONS at them, make them more unwieldy, and throw out the Fourth Amendment..

If it would have been ME, I would have made them leaner and meaner... But, of course, I know HOW to get things done.

excon

Yeah lean and mean that's the to go you won't see the next 9/11 coming just like you didn't see the last one

Hello again, clete:


you won't see the next 9/11 coming just like you didn't see the last oneFreedom DOES have a downside. But, I'll opt for freedom anyway..

Excon

Hello again,

Bush and Cheney are dufus's. Their solution is, if you have agencies that aren't communicating with each other, throw BILLIONS at them, make them more unwieldy, and throw out the Fourth Amendment..

If it would have been ME, I would have made them leaner and meaner... But, of course, I know HOW to get things done.

excon

I bet you feel different about Zerocare.

Hello again, Steve:


I bet you feel different about Zerocare.Nahhh. I feel the same.. You'll remember that MY solution is a ONE page law, with LOTS of white space on the page... It'll say, Medicare for All.

Zerocare will be tweaked, and then be tweaked again. If we're LUCKY, it'll be tweaked to the obvious solution, which is the one above..

Lean, and Mean... That's what I say. I'm a SMALL government liberal..

Excon

He

Lean, and Mean... That's what I say. I'm a SMALL government liberal..

excon

That's an oxymoron

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh. I feel the same.. You'll remember that MY solution is a ONE page law, with LOTS of white space on the page... It'll say, Medicare for All.

Zerocare will be tweaked, and then be tweaked again. If we're LUCKY, it'll be tweaked to the obvious solution, which is the one above..

Lean, and Mean... That's what I say. I'm a SMALL government liberal..

excon

A SMALL government liberal would have been OPPOSED to this monstrosity from the outset.

Hello Steve:

I support the IDEA of universal health care. This ISN'T it, but it's a start. If you have a BETTER idea, you should introduce it instead of trying to repeal Obamacare for the 40th time.

I DIDN'T like the giveaways Obama made for the purpose of bringing Republicans on board.. In fact, if ANYTHING is responsible for this "monstrosity", it's ALL the outreach Obama did to bring you recalcitrants on board. Didn't work, and we're STUCK with 'em.

You're mistaking me for somebody who carries water for Obama..

excon

You're mistaking me for somebody who carries water for Obama..

excon

We're mistaking you for a democrat

Hello again, Steve,


we're mistaking you for a democratYes, you are.

Excon

I DIDN'T like the giveaways Obama made for the purpose of bringing Republicans on board..

The giveaways were to get so called moderate Dems on board. There was no attempt to address conservative concerns with the bill ;or Republic concerns for that matter .

Hello Steve:

I support the IDEA of universal health care. This ISN'T it, but it's a start. If you have a BETTER idea, you should introduce it instead of trying to repeal Obamacare for the 40th time.

I DIDN'T like the giveaways Obama made for the purpose of bringing Republicans on board.. In fact, if ANYTHING is responsible for this "monstrosity", it's ALL the outreach Obama did to bring you recalcitrants on board. Didn't work, and we're STUCK with 'em.

You're mistaking me for somebody who carries water for Obama..

excon

Ex, you sure remember a different version of how we got Obamacare than reality and YOU try and get something past Dingy Harry Reid. Virtually every Republican offering on anything is DOA when it gets to the Senate.

And look at the people that were admonishing those of us who knew from the beginning it was a Muslim behind this. As are most of these sorts of things.

And look at the people that were admonishing those of us who knew from the beginning it was a Muslim behind this. As are most of these sorts of things.
No, he wasn't a Muslim. Muslims are better than that. He took the word Muslim and twisted it up into something unrecognizable.

No, he wasn't a Muslim. Muslims are better than that. He took the word Muslim and twisted it up into something unrecognizable.

Both Brothers were Muslims... its a proven and known fact.

They weren't Bhudists... Hidus, Christian, Aetheist or Jewish.

Both Brothers were Muslims......its a proven and known fact.

They weren't Bhudists....Hidus, Christian, Aetheist or Jewish.
They were Muslims in name only. I can call myself a Christian but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if I don't act like one.

They were Muslims in name only. I can call myself a Christian but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if I don't act like one.

They were acting on... and in the name of their faith... and they are far from an insolated minority in it. Those that think as they do number in the Millions.

They were acting on...and in the name of their faith....and they are far from an insolated minority in it.
None of the hundreds of Muslims I know would act this way (or we'd all be dead). They were an aberration and a shame to their faith.

They were a product of perversion like that McVeigh dude was a product of perversion. Neither followed the good of their religion. Both acted in a criminal way.

None of the hundreds of Muslims I know would act this way (or we'd all be dead). They were an aberration and a shame to their faith.

That they might be... but they aren't an insignificant minority. If it were dozens... or even hundreds maybe... thousands even... but not when the numbers are into the millions.

That they might be...but they aren't an insignificant minority.
If you total up all the good Muslims in the world, yes, they are.

If you total up all the good Muslims in the world, yes, they are.

I won't... because Millions are a significant threat to everyone... particularly since the so-called Majority of good Muslims don't see them as a threat or deal with them themselves or turn them over to people who will.

If that was true.. they could make the problem disappear in a matter of months.. if not sooner. And do it among themselves.

I won't...because Millions are a significant threat to everyone...particularly since the so-called Majority of good Muslims don't see them as a threat or deal with them themselves or turn them over to people who will.

Bay Area Muslims Friday condemned the Boston Marathon bombings and braced for possible retaliatory attacks following the identification of the suspects as Chechen Muslims, according to civil rights and advocacy groups. Bay Area Muslims on edge after Boston bombings | www.ktvu.com (http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/bay-area-muslims-edge-after-boston-bombings/nXRhk/)

JAMAICA, New York (April 15, 2013) – The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) expresses its outrage at the bomb attacks today on the Boston Marathon. ICNA Expresses Outrage at Boston Bomb Attacks | Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) (http://www.icna.org/icna-expresses-outrage-at-boston-bomb-attacks/)

"Basically it's distressing you feel like here is one more American youth through an individual identity conflict has fallen victim to a radical ideology and we must fight this ideology."

Doctor Faheem Younus of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Center and MuslimsforPeace.org says the allegations against Martinez show there is a great misunderstanding about what Islam is about among Americans and even members of their own faith. Area Muslims outraged by Catonsville bombing plot (http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/region/baltimore_county/area-muslims-outraged-by-catonsville-bombing-plot#ixzz2Su9SdomI)

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They were Muslims in name only. I can call myself a Christian but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if I don't act like one.

Those Muslims that have public beheadings, stonings, chop off hands and otherwise generally oppress women, are they real or fake?

Ok.. you have a few... a very few standing up... And I will give those few credit for doing so... the fact is... they really are the insignifican minority.

As an analogy... a non religious one.

You live in a high rise Condo... one of your neighbors is a pedophile and quite a few people in the condo know it... but nobody says anything because they are a fellow condo owner out of loyalty...

They don't get a free ride for not turning them in... in fact they become responsible for helping it continue.

Because this sort of thing doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Because this sort of thing doesn't happen in a vacuum.
That's our problem in this country. We are all trying so hard to be PC that we miss seeing the trees while looking at the forest. The kidnapped women living in that Cleveland house made attempts to be noticed, but ten years went by before they were rescued. We're ALL too afraid of blowing the whistle on someone and maybe getting sued or shunned or yelled at or whatever. And yes, we ignore the shoplifter and the mother who is hitting her kid in public and the man who is verbally abusing his female partner. I've done it; you've done it. The Muslim community is basically living in fear of repercussions, so lie low and hope things calm down.

Those Muslims that have public beheadings, stonings, chop off hands and otherwise generally oppress women, are they real or fake?

Primitive and barbaric are the words I use. Much like the beheadings in old Europe when the bluebloods were the link to god, or the witch burners of Salem, Mass. Let's not leave out the Spanish Inquisition.

History is littered with atrocities in the name of whatever god. Still is.

There are very few liberal muslims who openly opposed the wrong methods of islam, like salman rushdie. But most educated and modern muslims don't speak openly about anything. Forget terror or jihad, even educated women support hijab and parda. Finds reasons to support the hijab. There are many such examples. Worst thing is the funding to extremist groups are made by same educated muslims. Such cases been found. So again islam as a community need introspection.

Vacuum yes that's the right word

BELCHERTOWN (CBS) – Shortly after midnight Tuesday, seven people were caught trespassing at the Quabbin Reservoir.

State Police say the five men and two women are from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore, and “cited their education and career interests” for being in the area. The men told police they were chemical engineers and recent college graduates.

The Quabbin, in Belchertown, is one of the country's largest man-made public water supplies. Boston's drinking water comes from the Quabbin and the Wachusett Reservoirs.

State Police say there were no warrants or advisories on any of the individuals and “there was no evidence that the seven were committing any crime beyond the trespassing.”

All seven were allowed to leave and will be summonsed to court for trespassing. The FBI is investigating and routine checks of public water supplies have been increased following the incident.

The seven individuals currently live in Amherst, Cambridge, Sunderland, Northampton and New York City. Police have not released their names because a court date has not been set
7 Caught Trespassing At Quabbin Reservoir; Patrols Stepped Up Across State « CBS Boston (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/14/7-cited-for-trespassing-at-quabbin-reservoir-patrols-stepped-up-across-state/)

Yeah it a common occurrence for foreign students to further their education and career interests by scaling a fence at midnight to trespass into an area that is vulnerable to terrorist attack .