Give us time, we do it to everyone, I am part of a stolen generation so don't preach to me

Recently it was suggested that aboriginal kids be removed to boarding schools, the aboriginal community was in favour of this because they recognise that the only way their kids will rise is to be out of the community where welfare and disadvantage is endemic. There is no clawing their way out of the slums for these people the jobs are hundreds of miles away or have impossible entry requirements.

You cannot sit in Washington or New York and think you have solutions for a stone age people, you don't even have solutions for your own people

Personally given the option of living as an Aborigine....or under Muslim oppression stuck forever in the 7th century..

I'd pick living as an Aborigine

Yes beachcombing is more fun than wasting your time in a madrassa, but remember in either case you are going nowhere that is why so many pay dearly to catch a boat to this place

give us time, we do it to everyone, I am part of a stolen generation so don't preach to me

Recently it was suggested that aboriginal kids be removed to boarding schools, the aboriginal community was in favour of this because they recognise that the only way their kids will rise is to be out of the community where welfare and disadvantage is endemic. There is no clawing their way out of the slums for these people the jobs are hundreds of miles away or have impossible entry requirements.

You cannot sit in Washington or New York and think you have solutions for a stone age people, you don't even have solutions for your own people


I'm holding a mirror up right now facing your direction in case you don't see it.

And incidentally... many of those cases the kids weren't removed with the parents permission or blessing.

And even then.. education is worthless unless they really want to do anything useful with it... and I'm betting they aren't anywhere near as enthusiastic about it as you higher evolved people that want to force it on them for their own good.

And there are more parallels that you may want to believe among the native Americans here... anyone that lives near a reservation can attest to that.

And what do you see? Not me

and what do you see? not meThe mirror is facing your way... I'm standing behind it.

And we have far bigger illegal immigrations problems than you have... because unlike you... we have far more routes available than just boats or airplanes.

The mirror is facing your way...I'm standing behind it.

And we have far bigger illegal immigrations problems than you have.....because unlike you...we have far more routes available than just boats or airplanes.

Yes fences are hard to build, oceans are so convenient. You have a problem because you don't enforce laws, we have a problem because of your wars. Our problem is small but still very costly for a small nation, our illegal problems costs us at least $1 billion a year, not to mention the waste of resources and all to rescue ignorant people from their own foolishness
They don't like the way we treat them either, but lawbreakers they are.

This problem is not like our indigenous problem which also costs us Billions each year. We would leave them alone but for the doogooders offshore and they could beachcomb to their hearts content

Yes fences are hard to build, oceans are so convenient. You have a problem because you don't enforce laws, we have a problem because of your wars. Our problem is small but still very costly for a small nation, our illegal problems costs us at least $1 billion a year, not to mention the waste of resources and all to rescue ignorant people from their own foolishness
they don't like the way we treat them either, but lawbreakers they are.

This problem is not like our indigenous problem which also costs us Billions each year. We would leave them alone but for the doogooders offshore and they could beachcomb to their hearts content

Really.. thats a pretty pathetic excuse... our wars...

Incidentally the last war we had that was in your back yard was WW2... and we didn't start that one.

Really..thats a pretty pathetic excuse...our wars...

Incidentally the last war we had that was in your back yard was WW2...and we didn't start that one.

My answer to this crap got lost somewhere

I seem to hear Burl Ives singing down in the valley

Your wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have sent large numbers of refugees and illegal migrants our way, they insist on drowning themselves on flimsy boats and looking after them costs us over $1 billion a year no small cost for a small nation

My answer to this crap got lost somewhere

I seem to hear Burl Ives singing down in the valley

your wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have sent large numbers of refugees and illegal migrants our way, they insist on drowning themselves on flimsy boats and looking after them costs us over $1 billion a year no small cost for a small nation

So help their leaky boats sink... you feed the sealife and you eliminate the immigration issue pretty easily.

And also.. WE didn't start anything in Iraq or Afghanistan... they started it... you need to review where you are getting your information from.


I'm curious about how the Afghanistands aare fleeing their country in boats... being it's a landlocked nation...

Than and its an aweful long trip from Iraq in a leaky boat bypassing a lot of other countries along the way... exactly what makes that our fault?

http://www.ezilon.com/maps/images/middle_east_pol.gif

Well it seems your map isn't wide enough but why would I be surprised that an american had a truncated view of the world. What happens is displaced people gather in camps in neighbouring countries, where they learn of a nation far from war and strife, perhaps they have relatives there. They migrate by land or aircraft, who can say, since money doesn't appear to be an issue, to Indonesia where they seek passage on a leaky boat to nowhere ultimately being plucked from the Indian Ocean into the waiting arms of our immigration department who will do their best to persuade them that they should go back.

Why are they displaced, because when you prosecuted your war against Afghanistan and Iraq you gave no thought to what would happen to the population

Obviously Democrats in Congress have nothing better to do than focus on important issues...


Lawmakers introduce bill to void 'Redskins' trademark

A group of House Democrats on Wednesday introduced a bill that would prevent the term "Redskins" from being trademarked, a move intended to put pressure on the Washington football club to change its name.

The Non-Disparagement of American Indians in Trademark Registrations Act of 2013 is co-sponsored by Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), and comes days after a federal trademark panel heard arguments over whether the team name was a slur. The panel could potentially overturn the team's trademark, which would erode profits by allowing other businesses to sell apparel and goods featuring the Redskins name.

Earlier this month, Norton said the team "should consider" a new name.

“Nobody would let a comparable name to blacks stand," Norton said, adding that she thinks the team will eventually be forced to make a change.

“I certainly do. But nothing happens without pushing and shoving... I am a fan of the Redskins. I’m just not a fan of their name," Norton said.

The trademark pushes come amid renewed calls in Washington politics and media for the team to change the name. Earlier this year, D.C. mayor Vincent Gray said the team could be forced to "work with" the city council on a name change if they wanted to build a new stadium within the District.

The team has not publicly commented on challenges to the Redskins trademark, but last month began posting articles to the team website that highlighting high schools that also use the moniker.

Read more: Lawmakers introduce bill to void 'Redskins' trademark - The Hill's In The Know (http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/289407-lawmakers-introduce-bill-to-void-redskins-trademark#ixzz2OD1bNhrz)
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How about a compromise? The Redskins keep their name and change their logo to a peanut (http://www.bing.com/search?q=redskin+peanut&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=redskin+peanut&sc=8-14&sp=-1&sk=). Nuts would be an appropriate mascot for DC.

I wonder if the Secret Service people who walk Obama's dog are going to get furloughed ?

The grounds keeper probably doesn't have secret service with him, just a pooper scooper.

Hello again,

I must say your expectation of the SAME level of service with a greatly reduced budget is mindboggling... But, you've blown my mind before..

excon

Hello again,

I must say your expectation of the SAME level of service with a greatly reduced budget is mindboggling... But, you've blown my mind before..

excon

I would say you have never heard of productivity,it is marvellous what happens when a threat emerges, particularly in government

Hello again,

I must say your expectation of the SAME level of service with a greatly reduced budget is mindboggling... But, you've blown my mind before..

excon

Service ? I'm talking trimming 2 % bloat from a $ multi-trillion budget .There should be NO service impact. Most of the government could do it just by tightening up it's procurement procedures.

service ? I'm talking trimming 2 % bloat from a $ multi-trillion budget .There should be NO service impact. Most of the government could do it just by tightening up it's procurement procedures.

Yes like they have got enough stuff they don't need any more for yonks!

The taxpayer has to adjust their spending downward every time their income is reduced because of price increases, pay cuts, reduced hours or tax increases...

The government can learn to do it too.

Yes begin by doing away with cost plus contracts

yes begin by doing away with cost plus contracts

The bigger problem is they don't believe in zero baseline budgets... what they consider a "baseline" really isn't... its last years amount plus an automatic increase... so even when they claim no increase... they are telling lies abut it, because there IS an increase..

I don't understand how any organisation can effectively manage without zero based budgetting. It forces each item to be examined for its worth and necessity

The bigger problem is they don't believe in zero baseline budgets...what they consider a "baseline" really isn't...its last years amount plus an automatic increase...so even when they claim no increase...they are telling lies abut it, because there IS an increase..

Yes. The so called cuts are nothing more than reductions in the rate of increase. Even while this is happening the Federal Government is hiring .

yes. the so called cuts are nothing more than reductions in the rate of increase. Even while this is happening the Federal Government is hiring .

That's right because nothing is increasing at the rate of assumed inflation except the inflated salaries of the fat cats

I don't understand how any organisation can effectively manage without zero based budgetting. It forces each item to be examined for its worth and necessity

And now you see the root problem with the government spending... they have lied to themselves for so long they actaually can't see things for the way they really are.

The private world and the business world live in reality of a zero baseline budget... really is a zero baseline budget, you don't add automatic pay raises you haven't gotten yet and claim that's not an increase in your income at all..

And now you see the root problem with the government spending.....they have lied to themselves for so long they actaually can't see things for the way they really are.

I have known the root of the problem for a long time and it isn't lack of budgeting but a lack of discipline among politicians

I have known the root of the problem for a long time and it isn't lack of budgeting but a lack of discipline among politicians

It's a combination... and the fact they pretend that increaces aren't increases to make the real increases look smaller to the poorly informed public... causes and allows it to compound.

Run your household like that and you will end up bankrupt... run a business like that and it will end up bankrupt...

Yet Polititions seem to think its not only normal but right for them to do because after all... its only someone else's tax money...

The government is not a household, or a business. The business model is broken, and corrupt, and that makes households broke and helpless. Government is under siege by those bent on destroying it, to further their own aim of cheap labor, higher profits, and the power to exploit the rest of the globe for mo'money.

The government is not a household, or a business. The business model is broken, and corrupt, and that makes households broke and helpless. Government is under seige by those bent on destroying it, to further their own aim of cheap labor, higher profits, and the power to exploit the rest of the globe for mo'money.

You got that backwards... its the Government that's trying to grab more and more power they were never constitutionally allowed to have... EVER before.

Your government has been corrupt for a long time - both sides.

The government is not a household, or a business. The business model is broken, and corrupt, and that makes households broke and helpless. Government is under seige by those bent on destroying it, to further their own aim of cheap labor, higher profits, and the power to exploit the rest of the globe for mo'money.

Dude, for once I have to agree with Smoothy.

PAUL RYAN'S PROPOSED BUDGET CUTS

A List of Republican Budget Cuts
Notice S.S. and the military are NOT on this list.
These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting.Read to the end.


* Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy -- $445 million annual savings.
* Save America 's Treasures Program -- $25 million annual savings.
* International Fund for Ireland -- $17 million annual savings.
* Legal Services Corporation -- $420 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Arts -- $167.5 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Humanities -- $167.5 million annual savings.
* Hope VI Program -- $250 million annual savings.
* Amtrak Subsidies -- $1.565 billion annual savings.
* Eliminate duplicating education programs -- H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
* U.S. Trade Development Agency -- $55 million annual savings.
* Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy -- $20 million annual savings.
* Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding -- $47 million annual savings.
* John C. Stennis Center Subsidy -- $430,000 annual savings.
* Community Development Fund -- $4.5 billion annual savings.
* Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid -- $24 million annual savings.
* Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half -- $7.5 billion annual savings
* Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20% -- $600 million annual savings.
* Essential Air Service -- $150 million annual savings.
* Technology Innovation Program -- $70 million annual savings.
* Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program -- $125 million annual savings..
* Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization -- $530 million annual savings.
* Beach Replenishment -- $95 million annual savings.
* New Starts Transit -- $2 billion annual savings.
Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts -- $9 million annual savings
* Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants -- $2.5 billion annual savings.
* Title X Family Planning -- $318 million annual savings.
* Appalachian Regional Commission -- $76 million annual savings.
* Economic Development Administration -- $293 million annual savings.
* Programs under the National and Community Services Act -- $1.15 billion annual savings.
* Applied Research at Department of Energy -- $1.27 billion annual savings.
* Freedom CAR and Fuel Partnership -- $200 million annual savings..
* Energy Star Program -- $52 million annual savings.
*Economic Assistance to Egypt -- $250 million annually.
* U.S.Agency for International Development -- $1.39 billion annual savings.
* General Assistance to District of Columbia -- $210 million annual savings.
* Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority -- $150 million annual savings.
*Presidential Campaign Fund -- $775 million savings over ten years.
* No funding for federal office space acquisition -- $864 million annual savings.
* End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
* Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act -- More than $1 billion annually.
* IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget -- $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
*Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees -- $1 billion total savings.WHAT THE HELL IS THISABOUT?
* Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees -- $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
* Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of -- $15 billion total savings.
*Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress.WHAT??
* Eliminate Mohair Subsidies -- $1 million annual savings.
*Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- $12.5 million annual savings�WELL ISN'T THAT SPECIAL
* Eliminate Market Access Program -- $200 million annual savings.
* USDA Sugar Program -- $14 million annual savings.
* Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) -- $93 million annual savings.
* Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program -- $56.2 million annual savings.
*Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs-- $900 million savings.
* Ready to Learn TV Program -- $27 million savings..
* HUD Ph.D. Program.
* Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
*TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years

My question is, what is all this doing in the budget in the first place?

PAUL RYAN'S PROPOSED BUDGET CUTS

A List of Republican Budget Cuts
Notice S.S. and the military are NOT on this list.
These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting.Read to the end.

*TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years

My question is, what is all this doing in the budget in the first place?

You may well ask, a lot of pork there but not all of those items are bad but probably don't need to be funded at that level. I see they are looking to wipe out AMTRAK and very fast rail, is the aircraft industry involved here and also wipe out Public Broadcasting, that's a political bias and why aren't the military on the list?

You should see the Dem budget from Sen Patty Murray . If nothing else it demonstrates the impossible divide in thinking between the 2 sides (and I think the Ryan Budget is too modest ) . I can understand why Harry Reid did not want to submit it . I don't know how a Dem Senator in the heartland can vote for the Dem budget ;let alone poor Max Baucus ;who wants his signature achievement in the Senate to be tax simplification and reform.

you should see the Dem budget from Sen Patty Murray . If nothing else it demonstrates the impossible divide in thinking between the 2 sides (and I think the Ryan Budget is too modest ) . I can understand why Harry Reid did not want to submit it . I don't know how a Dem Senator in the heartland can vote for the Dem budget ;let alone poor Max Baucus ;who wants his signature achievement in the Senate to be tax simplification and reform.

It would have gotten more votes than all of Obama's combined...

It would have gotten more votes than all of Obama's combined...

You mean it would've gotten a single vote?

It seems this sequester is the non event of the century, Obama may yet leave a legacy of a smaller military

The defense dept had already been cut. When drawing down after the surrender of 2 wars ,there was no need to have as large a budget. The problem of course is the poor choices the Obama military is making in it's sequester decision. Training should not be short changed... but the F-35 should be .

What's this Tom you want to leave your country defenceless in the future flying out of date hardware

The F-35 is nothing but an over budget pork machine... Note I didn't say defund the F-22 Raptor .
United Kingdom: F-35 or F-22? (http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-240209-1.html)

But you sold this to us as the ultimate machine are you saying it was all yankee B/S?

Perhaps we should see what the Russinas have to offer or wait for the inevitable Chinese copy

Yes it's a piece of cr@p .
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=250535

Strange how far american industry has sunk you should have got the japs to build it

Like I said ;the F-22 is state of the art 21st century. The F-35 has the capability of the Fa-18 . It was sold as a dual use Joint strike force. By definition it cannot live up to the hype. It is expected to do too much .

you mean it would've gotten a single vote?

At least.

No White House tours but hey, at least we'll have bagpipes and spats to keep the homeland safe (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=3012c0963d464c55bf849cc346cd0fc7&tab=core&_cview=0). I got to admit the thought of a DHS bagpipe corps should make any terrorist think twice about messing with us.

It is the perfect weapon, that's why the scots used it

Who needs nukes when we have bagpipes?

Exactly but Tom thinks you need more nukes

Solicitation Number: PR20074261
Notice Type: Cancellation

What does that mean

That means when Big sis got caught requisitioning bag pipes ,she swiftly cancelled the req.

Yep, bad optics for a guy trying to convince us how painful the cuts are.

There were air traffic delays because the adm made the bone headed decision to furlough air traffic controllers under the false pretext that across the board meant an elementary and literal interpretion of across the board. Well Congress had to step in to set him straight .

But the real question is ;why is the air traffic control system a government run agency ? Why not privative ? It makes sense to me . Nav Canada ;a privatized system the Canadians employ won the IATA Eagle Award 3 times as the best air service in the world . Australia and the UK also have private air traffic control systems, as do dozens of other nations... many of them in Europe.
So the way to shrink the government would be to privatize many of the services that the US government just assumes it should directly run.

Hello Dreamers:

I don't know. You're the ONLY group in the world who wants to CUT, CUT, CUT, but when the cuts happen, you get bummed when your services get cut too. I don't know HOW you are UNABLE to connect dot A - LESS MONEY, with dot B - LESS SERVICE.

After cutting their budget, you thought the level of security shouldn't have gone down at the Benghazi Embassy. When somebody was KILLED, it's not YOUR fault.. After cutting their budget, you piss and moan about White House tours being cut, but that's Obama's fault. After cutting their budget you get mad when the FAA cuts back, but it's not YOUR fault.

Seems to me, like SIMPLE math... Oh, that's right... Republicans can't ADD.

excon

Everyone in the State Dept admits that budget cuts had nothing to do with the security arrangement in Benghazi. So you can put that argument into the trash heap. I just illustrated above where privatizing air traffic control results in a superior level of service . Even Obot econoomist Peter Orszag wrote that Washington should strip responsibility of air traffic control "away from the FAA and assign it to a private, nonprofit organization."
... "the U.S. Government Accountability Office concluded in a 2005 review, these operators have maintained or even improved air safety, while they have lowered costs and boosted efficiency by investing in new technology."
Private Air-Traffic System Can Soar: Peter Orszag - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-21/in-private-world-air-traffic-technology-soars-commentary-by-peter-orszag.html)

The only real objection to this would come from the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. Too bad . Better service at lower costs ;and one less job the government mismanages .

Ah Ex you really shouldn't give the nuckle draggers a hard time, it isn't their fault after all they are not in government. Benghazi was a secret operation, an embarrassment, be content they are embarrassed because those nuckle draggers exist on both sides, can't you see them now? Big fellows with lots of upper body development and very small heads? You know they got their degrees on football scholarships

Hello tom:


everyone in the State Dept admits that budget cuts had nothing to do with the security arrangement in Benghazi...

Washington should strip responsibility of air traffic control "away from the FAA and assign it to a private, nonprofit organization."..

Couple things.

I don't know who "everyone" in the State Department is. Maybe they can't add either.. I can. When you cut a budget for security, you have LESS security. THAT is just so.

I have no problem with striping the FAA from the Government. But, it's a straw man to bring it up as a reason why the FAA should be able to provide the SAME level of service when its budget was substantially CUT. You STILL haven't connected the dots.

Third, why don't you want your new company to make a profit? Wassa matter with profit?? I'll take what you said, and raise you one. We should PRIVATIZE the nations airports.

Excon

If there were in fact budget cuts you might, MIGHT have a point. The only thing that was cut was the percentage of INCREASE. In the real world a budget cut means less money, not more money.

In testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security ;who was personally responsible for the security decisions in Benghazi , was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”
State Department: Budget Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions At Benghazi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1LRKGOrRkT4)

Hello wingers:

Couple things.

I don't CARE how many dufus's you produce. When you CUT security budgets, you get LESS security..

So, in your revisionist mind, the sequester wasn't designed to HURT everybody.. Instead it was a shrewd Republican strategy to get rid of waste in government..

Boy, oh boy, oh boy...

excon

Except a) the budget was not CUT and b) the sequester was Obama's deal. But you stick with the lies.

Ummm you do realize the Benghazi attack was Sept 11 ,2012 and the sequester began March 1,2013 . That's 6 months before the sequester kicked in .

Math is hard, so are calendars.

Speaking of the sequester and calendars, since the sequester (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/01/park-service-creating-new-monuments-landmarks-despite-sequester-cutbacks/?test=latestnews?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn)the Interior Dept has named 13 new historic sites to maintain and is still trying to acquire more federal land to add to the 1/3 of the country the feds already own and can't afford to take care of now.

Priorities.

Hello again,

That's IT?? That's your response?? The State Department budge was CUT before the Sequester... Did you think I made a mistake? Never happen.

excon

Your mistake is in claiming that budget cuts affected the level of security at the ,Benghazi 'special mission' (ie not a consulate like the press tried to make you believe)

The fact is that the State Dept ignored specific requests for additional security by Ambassador Stevens... and Charlene Lamb correctly testified that the level of security had northing to do with budgetary considerations .



Another official, Eric Nordstrom, who was responsible for protecting US diplomats in Libya, said that he too sought additional resources. But he said he was told over the phone by a senior state department official responsible for handling the request, Charlene Lamb, not to make anymore because "there would be too much political cost".
Benghazi attack testimony claims state department ignored warnings | World news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/10/benghazi-attack-testimony-state-department)
The truth is that the State Dept did not want a high level of security there because the Benghazi mission was really a CIA operation ,that Ambassador Stevens was also involved in.
After that Republican members of Congress honed in on Lamb, who was also a witness, accusing her of failing to recognize the seriousness of the threat.
Lamb responded that the requests were for more personnel in Tripoli and it would have made no difference to how many security men would have been protecting the Benghazi consulate where protection was in any case mostly in the hands of a pro-government militia.

"We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi on the night of 9/11," Lamb testified.
However, Republican attempts to accuse the state department of leaving the consulate vulnerable by refusing requests for more security were delivered a blow when Nordstrom was asked how many agents he wanted to protect the Benghazi site. He said he asked for three. The hearing then heard that there were five at the time of the attack.

Hello again, tom:


The truth is that the State Dept did not want a high level of security there because the Benghazi mission was really a CIA operation ,that Ambassador Stevens was also involved in. So, you want your cake and eat it too?

Apparently, the decision was to either blow the CIA operation or risk attack.. They chose wrong. Four people died. That's what happens in war. I don't understand your outrage.

Excon

That would be a good tale if the attack only lasted in the morning . But even then the
White House and the State Dept have to account for the pure fabrication of the cause of the attack. That's a starter . Next Glen Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods died many hours after the initial attack ;after their requests for back up was ignored . There was ample time to get a quick reaction force there before the attack on the CIA compound.

In their book, "Benghazi: The Definitive Report," Jack Murphy and Brandon Webb say that a cause of the attack were covert JSOC operations in Libya planned and executed by Deputy National Security Advisor John O. Brennan, with tacit support from Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Michael G. Vickers, Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper, and Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command Admiral William H. McRaven, which led to a retaliation from militias. These were the same militias that Stevens was working with arming Syrian rebels with weapons from the Q~Daffy army .We need to know the details about that because if true ;the Emperor has been lying to us as to the level of support we've given to radical groups in Syria that oppose Assad .

We have been lied to about the attack from the beginning because the truth could've cost Obama the election.Every day more of the onion is peeled away and the truth does stink.
The whistle blowers will be the final nail in the adm deception. That's why the Emperor sounded like a blithering idiot during yesterday's presser .

One thing that was exposed as a lie early on was that budget cuts at State contributed to the situation. That lie didn't last as long as the fabrication about the YouTube video.

Hello again, tom:


White House and the State Dept have to account for the pure fabrication of the cause of the attack.You don't think they should try to conceal CIA covert operations? Ronald Reagan concealed a covert war. You like him, don't you? Like I said, you want your cake and eat it too.

Plus, you can say it as many times as you wish, but when you CUT a budget you get LESS service. I don't care HOW many dufus's you parade to say otherwise.

You are consistent, though.. You have the same cockeyed belief about the Sequester...

Excon

You're talking about an adm that cuts White House tours to punish the children of us unwashed.. If they could get away with blaming the attack on budget cuts they would've already.

Cutting White House tours should have been a warning that action by congress was needed before it got worse. Of course you guys rather throw rocks than replace the sequester because its better than admitting you guys didn't want to do anything but throw rocks in the first place.

And this Benghazi thing you guys keep latching on and made public so you can throw even more rocks. If it was a secret mission why would they tell you and the rest of the world? Or you guys anyway?

My point is facts have never mattered. You seem to keep plenty of rocks to throw. Throw them at your fellow repubs, and get meals on wheels back to the old people and cancer patients their treatments as fast as you got your ride home.

That's the point Tal, facts do matter. The admin keeps lying about Benghazi which should piqué your curiosity, too. The admin's lies and fear mongering about the sequester were bad enough, the hypocrisy is breathtaking and the fact they intentionally made and publicized cuts that Americans might feel is downright self-serving and heartless.

But glad to know you support private orgs like Meals on Wheels.

The real hypocrisy is all the time and money wasted not getting the job done. Most of these things should have been solved years ago had the priority been to the people.

The saddest thing is it could still get done tomorrow.

The real hypocrisy is all the time and money wasted not getting the job done. Most of these things should have been solved years ago had the priority been to the people.

The saddest thing is it could still get done tomorrow.

Well gee, we've only been wondering why the Democrat-led Senate took over three years to pass a budget (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/search.php?searchid=20206684) for how long?

Stop freaking out on parliamentary tricks why don't you, because they haven't had an official budget MANY times during the last 30 years. Look up the facts about continuing resolutions and get with the program if you are going to nitpick what you holler about.

You may have gotten an A in creation but did you pass civics?

Hello again,

There's a phrase that I'm trying to remember.. It's something like waving at the roses... But, it has to do with making something out of nothing... Like you rail about the Senate not passing a budget, as though it really matters.. Ever since you started hollering about it, I wondered why, if it was so crucial, haven't we felt the economic effects from those lazy Democrats.. I kept looking for 'em.. I asked you guys about it. Nothing... I wondered the NEXT year when you complained about it, and I wonder NOW.

Is not passing a budget like not passing gun control?? Is it like not passing immigration reform?? I really don't know... Maybe you can enlighten me..

Next, is this Bengazi thing you have. It's about NOTHING. It's right wing mental masturbation... You've said from the beginning, that it's a coverup, but you've NEVER said what's being covered up.. Tom mentioned that it COULD be the CIA's covert activities that were being covered up... Which brings to mind my thoughts that covert CIA activities OUGHT to BE covered up.. But, that's just me...

So, to tal's point... If you WANTED to solve the country's problems instead of doing EVERYTHING you can to RUIN Obama's presidency, you would. And, we could start TODAY. Instead, like Mitch McConnell, you want the president to FAIL. But, in your hatred of the man, you FORGET that the country LOOSES, when the president does...

In your IGNORANCE disguised as HATRED, YOU don't realize that YOU are the biggest enemy this country has right now.. Not the Taliban. Not Kim jun un. YOU!

Let me clarify that for you... Kim jun un has the POTENTIAL to hurt us.. The Taliban has the POTENTIAL to hurt us.. You ARE hurting us!

excon

Four people died in Benghazi... nobody died in Watergate... see which of them the Democrats made the big stink about and which one they are going overboard trying to cover up... to the point of witness intimidation and whistleblower retaliation.

But who could expect more from a common street thug like Obama... you can take the man out of the projects... but you can't take the projects out of the man..

If there was nothing there... then why the threats and intimidation tactics... which by the way are illegal on their own.

Hello again,

Yes, I have more to say... Even though you wingers NEED the country to pass immigration reform, BECAUSE Obama wants it too, you're going to DEFEAT it.

I guess you HATE this man MORE than you like yourselves... Makes no sense to me.

excon

Yeah I bet you didn't want to know about all those CIA activities revealed during the Church Commission hearings . I bet you didn't want to know about Iran-Contra. You have already demonstrated you are not concerned about Fast and Furious . Your faith in the operations of the government is admirable.
What will be revealed is that there was an operation by the Obama adm to train and supply cut-thoats from Libya... including jihadists loyal to a-Qaeda ,to fight in Syria .

Now for the rest of Benghazi ;we lost an AMBASSADOR who was murdered. That's like the loss of a ranking General in the field . The whistleblower a couple days ago said that they had identifed who was responsible and that he was frustrated that the trigger had not been pulled to "bring them to justice" .
Well suddenly yesterday the FBI published photos of the wanted jihadists . Imagine that ! They figured out who they were looking for the day after a whisle blower let the cat out of the bag. Yeah... no cover up there .
There are many more unanswered questions about accountablilty regarding this tragic fiasco. It is a big thing .

Stop freaking out on parliamentary tricks why don't you, because they haven't had an official budget MANY times during the last 30 years. Look up the facts about continuing resolutions and get with the program if you are going to nitpick what you holler about.

You may have gotten an A in creation but did you pass civics?

I didn't have a civics class but I know excuses when I see them which is all you're offering. In not passing a budget the Senate was giving the law the finger and Americans the shaft and you, Obama and the Dems have been blaming it on Republican inaction though they HAVE passed a budget every year. Stop talking to us like we're stupid, I know a scam when I see one.

yeah I bet you didn't want to know about all those CIA activities revealed during the Church Commission hearings . I bet you didn't want to know about Iran-Contra. You have already demonstrated you are not concerned about Fast and Furious . Your faith in the operations of the government is admirable.
What will be revealed is that there was an operation by the Obama adm to train and supply cut-thoats from Libya ...including jihadists loyal to a-Qaeda ,to fight in Syria .

Now for the rest of Benghazi ;we lost an AMBASSADOR who was murdered. That's like the loss of a ranking General in the field . The whistleblower a couple days ago said that they had identifed who was responsible and that he was frustrated that the trigger had not been pulled to "bring them to justice" .
Well suddenly yesterday the FBI published photos of the wanted jihadists . Imagine that ! They figured out who they were looking for the day after a whisle blower let the cat out of the bag. Yeah ...no cover up there .
There are many more unanswered questions about accountablilty regarding this tragic fiasco. It is a big thing .

But tom, that was like, 8 months ago, so yesterday (http://freebeacon.com/carney-benghazi-happened-a-long-time-ago/). “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

Hello again, Steve:

Then you wouldn't mind if we undertook an investigation into why, either the CIA or Bush LIED about Iraq. It was like, 10 years ago. Sooo, yesterday...

Let me do some arithmetic that right wingers are incapable of.. 4 Americans died in Benghazi.. 4,000 Americans died in Iraq. That makes Iraq 4,000% worse. Aren't you interested in THAT coverup??

George Bush is STILL saying that Iraq was good, and that Iraq is a Democracy and an ally of ours in the war on terror. I'm sure you believe that clap trap too.

By the way. We NEED to get to the bottom of Iraq, because the SAME people who brought us Iraq, are saying that we need to invade Syria. If we don't STOP them, Syria is next, and Iran after that..

Talk about unsustainabe..

excon

excon... you forget they already did that... and Bush was proven to not have lied... get over it.


After the Benghazi fiasco has its investigation... then we see where that ends up. But since 4 Americans died... no way can they claim it never happened.

George Bush is STILL saying that Iraq was good, and that Iraq is a Democracy and an ally of ours in the war on terror. I'm sure you believe that clap trap too.
It was until the Emperor cut the rug out from the victory .

Prove there were lies . If there were ,then the whole world was in on it .

So we should still investigate "Bush lied, people died" from a decade and a president ago ago but not "Obama lied, people died" from 8 months ago while the current guy in charge is still actively lying about it. Got it.

Hello again, tom:

Fact: There were NO WMD's. They SAID there were. Clearly, there were lies or mistakes.. I want to get to the bottom of EITHER one. I don't care which it is. I actually don't think Bush lied. I think Cheney did. But, SOMEBODY did, or SOMEBODY was really, REALLY bad at their job. I'd like to KNOW who that was. You?? Not so much...

I know, I know... You're going to act about that, like you complain the Democrats are acting about Benghazi...

And, around and around we go.

excon

YOU still believe that crap... you diodn't see the intelligence photos of them moving them into Syria at night right before in inspection... they were on the news...

Hello again, tom:

Fact: There were NO WMD's. They SAID there were. Clearly, there were lies or mistakes.. I wanna get to the bottom of EITHER one. I don't care which it is. I actually don't think Bush lied. I think Cheney did. But, SOMEBODY did, or SOMEBODY was really, REALLY bad at their job. I'd like to KNOW who that was. You??? Not so much...

I know, I know.... You're gonna act about that, like you complain the Democrats are acting about Benghazi...

And, around and around we go.

excon

I welcome your investigation... here's a heads up . Saddam moved any operational WMD to Syria in the months that the invasion was delayed in UN negotiations ;and the weeks during the buildup. If they REALLY investigate it ;that is what they will find. This should not be news to you either . You just refuse to believe it.

Hello again, tom:

Fact: There were NO WMD's. They SAID there were. Clearly, there were lies or mistakes.. I wanna get to the bottom of EITHER one. I don't care which it is. I actually don't think Bush lied. I think Cheney did. But, SOMEBODY did, or SOMEBODY was really, REALLY bad at their job. I'd like to KNOW who that was. You??? Not so much...

I know, I know.... You're gonna act about that, like you complain the Democrats are acting about Benghazi...

And, around and around we go.

excon

It was the UN that lied. Geez, how many times do you have to be reminded that everyone was in agreement on Iraq's WMDs before it sinks in?

Hello again, smoothy:


you diodn't see the intelligence photos of them moving them into SyriaNahhh... I only caught Bush saying there were NO WMD's.. He really did, smoothy.. Here's HIM saying it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSN-Kku_rFE)

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Nahhh... I only caught Bush saying there were NO WMD's.. He really did, smoothy.. Here's HIM saying it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSN-Kku_rFE)

excon

Pull up the ones with John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried and Hillary Clinton saying there was... Obama was in a crack house stoned at the time and didn't know where he was that week.

You are aware they all get the same security breifings... just a little bit after the WHite house gets them... Unlike in the Obama administration... they don't originate from the Oval orifice.

Hello again, Steve:


how many times do you have to be reminded that everyone was in agreement on Iraq's WMDs before it sinks in?Here's the deal.. It matters NOT what the whole word believed. It only matters if it was the TRUTH. And, it clearly was NOT.

I'd like to know WHO dropped the ball. You? Not so much.

Excon

We already know... there was no ball dropped... there were WMD's. THe WMD's were moved...

After all Saddam had them... admitted to having them... and there is documented proof of him having used them against the Kurds... or is that bit of fact too inconvienient for your fantasy?

5,000 Kurds in Halabja in Iraq died from Saddams "non-existant" chemical weapons

Hello again, smoothy:


or is that bit of fact too inconvienient for your fantasy?Seems to me, that IF the WMD's were moved, George W. Bush would be sounding like YOU on that video. It's HIS legacy, after all. But, he doesn't. He doesn't even SUGGEST it. You don't think he would if he could??

So, which words coming out of Bush's mouth don't you believe? Or is the video a George Sorros trick?

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

Here's the deal.. It matters NOT what the whole word believed. It only matters if it was the TRUTH. And, it clearly was NOT.

I'd like to know WHO dropped the ball. You? Not so much.

excon

Oh but it does matter, especially that agency whose ineptness I've mentioned many times that was charged with verifying, the United Nations. You're singularly focused on blaming Bush/Cheney while giving everyone else a pass, why do they deserve a pass?

Hello again, smoothy:

Seems to me, that IF the WMD's were moved, George W. Bush would be sounding like YOU on that video. It's HIS legacy, after all. But, he doesn't. He doesn't even SUGGEST it. You don't think he would if he could???

So, which words coming out of Bush's mouth don't you believe?? Or is the video a George Sorros trick?

excon

There are reasons... some of them having to do with stuff that was classified at the moment. And then because of people like you that wouldn't believe it if he took you to them and showed them to you.

Ever agree with your wife before even when you really didn't just to shut her up? Same thing.. same reasoning.

Hello again, Steve:

It's EITHER Bush/Cheney OR the CIA. It can only be ONE or the OTHER. I'm HAPPY to find out the bad guy, or the INEPT guy is the CIA.

I have NO DOG in this fight. I'm NOT here to BLAME anyone. I'm here to find out the TRUTH, so we don't get blindsided by the same people again. What's wrong with the TRUTH??

excon

PS> I guess it could be Barney Franks fault. I didn't think of that.

There was no reason for Bush to fight that battle anymore. Either you believed they were there or you thought he lied. He was not going to convince anyone either way and there were more challenging things to deal with in Iraq by that time.
Britannia Radio: Wikileaks Documents:Saddam's WMD Program Existed in Iraq (Note we reported the transfer of WMD's to Lebanon/Syria - at least 5 years ago and ignored (http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2010/10/wikileaks-documents-saddams-wmd-program.html)

Hello again, Steve:

It's EITHER Bush/Cheney OR the CIA. It can only be ONE or the OTHER. I'm HAPPY to find out the bad guy, or the INEPT guy is the CIA.

I have NO DOG in this fight. I'm NOT here to BLAME anyone. I'm here to find out the TRUTH, so we don't get blindsided by the same people again. What's wrong with the TRUTH???

excon

PS> I guess it could be Barney Franks fault. I didn't think of that.

The White house doesn't generate the security briefing... they are just the first people to get it followed by the leaders and security commitees of the Senate and congress followed by the rest of congress. Then select other groups.

I was a regular recipient of it in the past... though be it low on the totem pole.

Hello again,

Being the curious fellow that I am, I wonder WHO made sure, in Colin Powell's speech to the UN, that he SAID there were Iraqi mobile chemical labs.. It wasn't true! You should wonder too, since this 4,000 times WORSE than Benghazi.

ONE guy said that. Curveball was his name. I don't know how much he was paid to say that, but he LIED. And, he SAYS he lied (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war). There was NO corroboration.. There was nobody else. Just one guy and his story.. Yet, it was ONE of the reasons cited for our invasion. And, it was WRONG.

Aren't YOU curious too, as to HOW it got into Powell's speech? Now, I don't know about you, but I don't think the CIA all by itself would BELIEVE ONE guy's statements.. If so, they're NOT spooks, they're REPORTERS...

I'd like to know if our CIA is SLOOTHING, or REPORTING.. I'd think YOU'D want to know that stuff too. No, huh?

excon

Obama used the same Excuses... you are aware we have troops in Africa... for exactly what reason other then he is a Kenyan.. and Africa thinks the world owes them everything.

CNN.com - U.S.: Mobile labs found in Iraq - Apr. 15, 2003 (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/14/sprj.irq.labs/)

"We didn't just make them up one night. Those were eyewitness accounts of people who had worked in the program and knew it was going on, multiple accounts. 'Oh, it was a hydrogen-making thing for balloons.' No, there's no question in my mind what it was designed for."Colin Powell.

Clinton got the same security briefings as well through both his terms that showed they existed... didn't hear him claiming BS because of party propaganda. And you don't hear the lefties going after him.. which shows their true colors... and its not about facts but invented propaganda.

Hello again, tom:

Nobody is denying that he HAD chemical weapons.. The question is, did he have them when Curveball SAID he had them.

These were buried in the ground... Who knows how long?

excon

Hello again, Steve:

It's EITHER Bush/Cheney OR the CIA. It can only be ONE or the OTHER. I'm HAPPY to find out the bad guy, or the INEPT guy is the CIA.

I have NO DOG in this fight. I'm NOT here to BLAME anyone. I'm here to find out the TRUTH, so we don't get blindsided by the same people again. What's wrong with the TRUTH???

excon

PS> I guess it could be Barney Franks fault. I didn't think of that.

Personally I think you're just trying to distract from the current coverup.

Obama sold them to Syria... where do you think he got all his money from?

Obama is responsible for Benghazi... and if he had a soul or a conscience he would not be sleeping at night because of it.

Hello again, smoothy:

I don't know 4,000 dead Americans vs. 4 dead Americans... You want to know about the 4, but not the 4,000... Boy, oh boy. Right wing math surely doesn't work.

excon

Liberals aren't capable of understanding...

Again... an attack on an Embassy before you even kill the Embassador and anally rape him... is an act of war...


Sadam Hussien Barrack Hussiens second cousin, was repeatedly violating a cease fire agreement... for a war that never actually ended yet at the time.

Need a contemprory reference... the Korean War... it ended exactly on what date? Right... it didn't because there is a cease fire agreement... just like there was in Iraq.

I don't care if it is 4 or 4000, I do know that Dems vowed to investigate the hell out of Bush but once Obama got in office that all seems to have went away, why is that? Meanwhile, there's a coverup right now and like the media you don't seems to give a damn.

Nobody even got a paper cut during Watergate and look how many decades the lefties have had their panties in a knot about that...

Hello again, smoothy:


Again... an attack on an Embassy before you even kill the Embassador and anally rape him... is an act of war... Yes, we ARE at war with them.. You didn't know that?

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Yes, we ARE at war with them.. You didn't know that?

excon

Obama doesn't call it that.. it would offend his Muslim brothers. He doesn't give a hoot if he offends most Americans.

Hello again, tom:

Nobody is denying that he HAD chemical weapons.. The question is, did he have them when Curveball SAID he had them.


Powell spoke of more collaboration besides'curveball' . And the Army found the physical evidence of the mobile labs . That's when the narrative changed to the nonsense that they were used to fill helium balloons .

These were buried in the ground... Who knows how long?

Yes ,that's one way to hide them from inspectors .
The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, led by Charles Duelfer a former deputy chief of the U.N arms-inspection team found “hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited” under U.N. Security Council resolutions.

The job of the inspections regime was to verify, based on the active cooperation of Iraqi officials, that Iraq had destroyed its weapons and was actively complying with multiple UN disarmament resolutions. Saddam Hussein's regime did no such thing.The uncontested fact is that there were unaccounted for weapons and bulk agents found by the US after we invaded . Weapons Saddam claimed were destroyed . And that doesn't even address what we know was moved out of the country .

Old debates, look if it can be proven they used a WMD nuke them otherwise

Enough of this revision of history. The right has been blasting Bush for years and now that he has a library they all rush to make him a MT. Rushmore candidate.

Lets get back to a jobs program, and argue about trickle down economic recovery that the fat greedy b@stards who stole the money are being protected by the TParty and right wing gun toting loony's.

Lets get back to a jobs program, and argue about trickle down economic recovery that the fat greedy b@stards who stole the money are being protected by the TParty and right wing gun toting loony's.

At last Tal you have the reason for gun ownership, not to protect yourself but to protect that theiving 1%

Apparently the sequester hasn't put a dent in funding prison poetry.


Prison poetry website awarded $75,000 NEA grant (http://libertyunyielding.com/2013/05/19/prison-poetry-website-awarded-75000-nea-grant/)

Thanks to sequestration, there is not enough money in the government coffers to keep “the people’s house” (aka the White House) open for tours. You’ll be pleased to know, however, that there’s plenty of money — $75,000 worth — for prison poetry.

According to CNSNews.com, a new website that features readings of poems written by current inmates was launched this week with the help of a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts.

Among the podcasts available to visitors of prisonpoetryworkshop.org are recitations of poems like “Ghetto Bastard,” “Fenced Jewels,” and “A Gangster’s Prayer.”

Now if they just had some bagpipes to play during the recitals.

Maybe he can invite them to the White House to perform during his next taxpayer funded White House Concert.
Carole King White House Concert, With Billy Joel and James Taylor, Will Be Broadcast on PBS - Playbill.com (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/178143-Carole-King-White-House-Concert-With-Billy-Joel-and-James-Taylor-Will-Be-Broadcast-on-PBS)
Somehow these concerts continue to survive the sequester . But we don't have 'Fleet Week' here in NY this week.

Fix it, if it's a problem. Write the congress and throw rocks at them.

You should be able to get up a petition for no more White House concerts quite easily

I shouldn't complain. I actually do like the' In Performance at The White House ' series .

Yes almost as good as the West Wing isn't it? You like the show, I like the soap

The Emperor is preparing for his post-Presidency career. He wants to be the next Ryan Seacrest .

The Emperor is preparing for his post-Presidency career. He wants to be the next Ryan Seacrest .
Sounds more fun than cutting brush in the wilds of Texas.

Sounds more fun than cutting brush in the wilds of Texas.

Former President George W. Bush hosting second Warrior 100K bike ride for wounded veterans
(http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20120426-former-president-george-w.-bush-hosting-second-warrior-100k-bike-ride-for-wounded-veterans.ece)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/28/article-2136500-12CE751C000005DC-635_634x712.jpg

Sounds more fun than cutting brush in the wilds of Texas.

And if that's all he's done since leaving office I'd agree .

Former President George W. Bush hosting second Warrior 100K bike ride for wounded veterans
(http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20120426-former-president-george-w.-bush-hosting-second-warrior-100k-bike-ride-for-wounded-veterans.ece)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/28/article-2136500-12CE751C000005DC-635_634x712.jpg

Yes he's done that every year. He was also heavily involved in Haiti relief .He wrote a memoir ,dedicated a Presidential library ,and is in the process of creating the George W. Bush Presidential Center... which will include a "Freedom Institute" focused on a broad portfolio of topics, including the expansion of democracy abroad, education reforms, economic growth, global healt ,women’s rights.

Don't forget his painting.

I didn't... nor the fact that he's a prolific reader. But I considered both recreation and relaxation.

I didn't .... nor the fact that he's a prolific reader. But I considered both recreation and relaxation.
Actually, his art has been highly praised, so it's more than mere relaxation. It's a kind of Grandma Moses thing.

Thanks I'll have to see if I can find some photos of them.

Exclusive: See President George W. Bush's paintings: 'People are surprised' | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/entertainment/arts/headlines/20130414-exclusive-see-president-george-w.-bush-s-paintings-people-are-surprised.ece?ssimg=969257#ssStory969264)

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How sweet, he paints cute little doggies.

Other stuff too --


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Hello again,

If only he'd have discovered his talent a little earlier... Well, one can dream, can't one?

excon

Art therapist Rachel Brandoff says, "What's really interesting is that these paintings are coming from a former president,” which she said, “gives us a very different lens [with which] to think about him… I think the key takeaway from these paintings is that every person has many sides to them.” Brandoff added. “We need to remember that… nobody's one-dimensional.”

An Art Therapist Analyzes George W. Bush's New Paintings – Flavorwire (http://flavorwire.com/379012/an-art-therapist-analyzes-george-w-bushs-new-paintings)

I'd say he has a way to go before he is compared to Grandma Moses. But I see the style simularities.

I'd say he has a way to go before he is compared to Grandma Moses. But I see the style simularities.
Her style is called Primitive. His also is very basic and from the heart, something from everyday life. I'm betting he will get past painting doggies.

Yes primitive that about sums him up