From the "independent panel "commissioned by the State Dept.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf
(unclassified version)
What it does confirm is that there was no protest over a Youtube video before the attack.
The report finds many failures but affixes no blame to anyone in the government . All the blame goes to the jihadists who attacked the 'mission' (yes there is no 'consulate ' ) .
"Systematic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place," the panel said.
Despite those deficiencies, the board determined that no individual officials ignored or violated their duties and recommended no disciplinary action. But it also said poor performance by senior managers should be grounds for disciplinary recommendations in the future.
“The Board found no evidence of any undue delays in decision making or denial of support from Washington or from the military combatant commanders,” it said. To the contrary, the report said the evacuation of the dead and wounded 12 hours after the initial attack was due to “exceptional U.S. government coordination and military response” that helped save the lives of two seriously wounded Americans.
News from The Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LIBYA_ATTACKS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-18-21-20-30)
Umm... then why did commanding Generals and Admirals lose their jobs in the aftermath ?


Missing from the report is the purpose of the "Special Mission" .
(unless you believe this throwaway line on page 2...
The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, established in November 2011, was the successor to his highly successful endeavor as Special Envoy to the rebel-led government that eventually toppled Muammar Qaddafi in fall 2011. The Special Mission bolstered U.S. support for Libya’s democratic transition through engagement with eastern Libya, the birthplace of the revolt against Qaddafi and a regional power center. )

Missing from the report is the circumstances that brought Ambassador Stevens to Benghazi ;lightly guarded ,on a day that the US takes for granted as a day for a hightened level of security alert . Instead the report blames Stevens for the decision to travel there .(page 6) It also blames the Ambassador for the security level there . Evidently he didn't scream loud enough .

Most Democrats don't believe Benghazi happened... just like they believe the Moon landing was a Hoax... yet believe in spirits and ghosts.

Most Democrats don't believe Benghazi happened... just like they believe the Moon landing was a Hoax... yet believe in spirits and ghosts.The things you believe are both funny and disturbing at the same time.

The things you believe are both funny and disturbing at the same time.

YOU are one of those arguing when it happened that it was a protest... not a terrorist attack... so that goes to show whoes beliefs are the most disturbing... at least mine have a basis in fact.

Generals and admirals lost their jobs, but not those in "senior levels" at State responsible for “systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies?"

And one of them that didn't lose their job is named Patrick F. Kennedy;Under Secretary of State for Management .He is responsible for the people, resources, budget, facilities, technology, financial operations, consular affairs, logistics, contracting, and security for Department of State operations.
One of the review board's tasks was to investigate why the office of Patrick Kennedy, rejected requests for more diplomatic security in Libya in the weeks leading up to the terrorist attack.
And who was it in the State Dept who signed off on the review board ? You guessed it .Patrick Kennedy .He also selected the members of the board .

Well, Kennedy apparently isn't going to fall on his sword.

AP: Three State Dept. officials resign (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/12/19/ap-three-state-dept-officials-resign/)

The fallout from this goes all the way to the top, but there has beeen no falling on swords just disappearing with a quiet wimp-er

Generals and admirals lost their jobs, but not those in "senior levels" at State responsible for “systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies?"

Turns out the sacrificial lambs were a ruse, too.


Benghazi penalties are bogus (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/benghazi_penalties_are_bogus_ncP7RZx5uTIgDPbTp5Wto N?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=International)

The four officials supposedly out of jobs because of their blunders in the run-up to the deadly Benghazi terror attack remain on the State Department payroll — and will all be back to work soon, The Post has learned.

The highest-ranking official caught up in the scandal, Assistant Secretary of State Eric Boswell, has not “resigned” from government service, as officials said last week. He is just switching desks. And the other three are simply on administrative leave and are expected back.

The four were made out to be sacrificial lambs in the wake of a scathing report issued last week that found that the US compound in Benghazi, Libya, was left vulnerable to attack because of “grossly inadequate” security.

State Department leaders “didn’t come clean about Benghazi and now they’re not coming clean about these staff changes,” a source close to the situation told The Post. adding, the “public would be outraged over this.”

So much for accountability, transparency and honesty in this administration... again. Say, anyone seen Hillary lately?

That's because the State Dept is not the problem. Evita doesn't want to testify because if she did ;she'd have to tell the truth about what she knows... that the 'Special Mission' (identified as such in the Pickering report ) was not a State Dept op. for if it were ,it would be a complete violation of international law (specifically the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations). She doesn't want to have to tell the world that the State Dept had no decision making authority as to the staffing or the security of the arrangement.

According to the report :Another key driver behind the weak security platform in Benghazi was the decision to treat Benghazi as a temporary, residential facility, not officially notified to the host government, even though it was also a full-time office facility....This resulted in the Special Mission compound being excepted from office facility standards and accountability under the Secure Embassy Construction and Counterterrorism Act of 1999 (SECCA) and the Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB).
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf (pg.30 )

Article 2 of the Vienna Convention makes it clear that the host government must be informed about the establishment of any permanent foreign mission on its soil.
To treat Benghazi as a "temporary, residential facility",even though it was also a full-time office facility,was clearly a way to skirt that requirement .
Articles 12 of the Vienna Convention says that the sending State may not, without the prior express consent of the receiving State, establish offices forming part of the mission in localities other than those in which the mission itself is established.

So clearly if Benghazi was a State Dept. "mission" (it never was a consulate ) ,then it violated International Law.

All you have to do is see that the CIA was involved to complicate things.

So clearly if Benghazi was a State Dept. "mission" (it never was a consulate ) ,then it violated International Law.

When was violating international law, or anyoneelse's law for that matter, ever a problem for a US administration?

Frankly that part of it doesn't bother me too much . I am not fond of the mission. I think it's folly and against US law possibly.

Hello:

Yawn... Yeah, we KNEW somebody screwed up. Four guys died. But, I want to learn about the COVERUP. Where is the COVERUP? What happened to the COVERUP? You guys DID say it was a COVERUP, didn't you??

I'm waiting...

excon

Maybe you should read my responses. The cover up is in the activities of the Benghazi 'special mission' .That's what they don't want revealed . Still waiting for an interview from one of the 30 people rescued . Don't you think it's strange that we still don't even know even one of their names ?

Hello:

Yawn.... Yeah, we KNEW somebody screwed up. Four guys died. But, I wanna learn about the COVERUP. Where is the COVERUP? What happened to the COVERUP?? You guys DID say it was a COVERUP, didn't you???

I'm waiting...

excon

I can guess how you would react if this were the Bush administration.

Hello again, tom:


The cover up is in the activities of the Benghazi 'special mission' .What you call a coverup, I call keeping state secrets.

Excon

So did Nixon

There are always state secrets, undercover ops, black ops, and you can expect snafu now and again. The issue is you have these public hearings, rather than have the committees briefed in secret, how do you expect all the details in such an environment. It is porbable that someone was doing something that to reveal the details would compromise the mission. Al Qaeda weren't attacking that place because it was a target of opportunity, they had a reason and 9/11 was a convenient excuse and a protest another convenient excuse. Put it down to Evita's poor judgement and get on with life

Ask Ex as a Vietnam war vet what he thought of the secret incursions into Cambodia. Ask about the 'secret 'operation run out of the White House where weapons were diverted for cash to the Iranian skunks ;so the cash could then be turned over to the Contras. Yes there are always ops . That's why I said it was the specific op that I oppose . It is the op that they are trying to cover up. But they also got themselves tied into a corner by all the boasting about taking out AQ during the election cycle.

This isn't the Vietnam war, it isn't any war except Bush's farcicle War on Terror. You had covert operations on someoneelse's soil and you got caught out by the target, very inconvenient, but then you haven't learned yet not to trust Muslims.

I agree it was stupid to lie about it and use convenient excuses and I think it is obvious that the chief perpetrators have moved on. You will have the unfortunate experience of having to decide whether you can trust another Clinton in four years or BO for further four years. You must resign yourself to never being sure you know the truth about anything

I agree it was stupid to lie about it and use convenient excuses and I think it is obvious that the chief perpetrators have moved on. In other words ;a cover up

With yesterday's revelation that the State Dept did a sleigh of hand with the dismissals(they just played musical chairs ) ;the only person who has been held accountable for the Benghazi attacks is Youtube video maker Mark Basseley Youssef ;who we know had nothing to do with the attacks .

Well the ending is traditional after all blame someone who isn't guilty

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-012513-hillary-IBD-C.jpg.cms

Madam Secretary ---- What did you know and when did you know it!

Funny a Democrat would try and argue... what difference does it make...

Benghazzi - 4 Americans died.

Watergate - nobody died.

Remember the whining over that witch Valerie Plame? Nobody died there either...

It's also the difference between "taking responsibility " and accountability .

Hello again:

The Benghazi chapter is CLOSED.. Yes, you're pissed about what the Democrats did, or what you THINK they did. So what? You TRIED to wound somebody.. You DIDN'T lay a glove on ANYBODY. In fact, it's arguable that both Obama and Clinton emerged from this episode even stronger than before.

It's DONE.. There's no more hearings. There's NOTHING. There's only Hannity and O'Reilly screaming about it, and we're used to that.

excon

Yes the cover-up is complete. Don't you think it strange that almost 30 people were evacuated and nobody even knows their names.. let alone interview them..

Complete coverup... but its not closed until WE decide its closed.

Those repubs who wanted answers to Benghazi were the same ones who didn't attend the meeting they had with the intelligence community to review the film and conclusion they had gathered, including John McCain who was obusy with Fox news.

If they had questions and wanted answers wouldn't they make time to go to where they could availed themselves of both? Kerry was there, why wasn't Paul, Johnson, and McCain.

Using the death of the ambassador to sling mud is as disgusting as it gets. But par for the course from the guys who take every chance to throw rocks instead of doing homework, or their real jobs. But that's what happens when you get your intel from Fox news and the right wing lame stream media.

Funny how Nixon didn't get to decide when Watergate was closed... where nobody died...

But now the dems seem to think Hillary gets to decide when LibyaGate is over... thats not how it works...

I want answers . Your comment about the Repubics is a deflection. I'm the 1st to admit that the idiots dropped the ball in their Q&A with Evita . Everyone says Meryl Streep should play her in a bio pix... I say Evita would perform just as well playing Meryl Streep . WHAT A PERFORMANCE!! Bravo... loved the fake tears .

Funny how Nixon didn't get to decide when Watergate was closed... where nobody died...

Well if we forget about Martha Mitchell .

Hello smoothy:


But now the dems seem to think Hillary gets to decide when LibyaGate is over... thats not how it works... Well, you're free to put your version of Woodward & Bernstein on the case. How about the crack reporters at FOX News?

Bwa, ha ha ha.

Excon

Those repubs who wanted answers to Benghazi were the same ones who didn't attend the meeting they had with the intelligence community to review the film and conclusion they had gathered, including John McCain who was obusy with Fox news.

If they had questions and wanted answers wouldn't they make time to go to where they could availed themselves of both? Kerry was there, why wasn't Paul, Johnson, and McCain.

Using the death of the ambassador to sling mud is as disgusting as it gets. But par for the course from the guys who take every chance to throw rocks instead of doing homework, or their real jobs. But thats what happens when you get your intel from Fox news and the right wing lame stream media.

Whitewashing the death of the ambassador so as not to tarnish your re-election chances is as disgusting as it gets.

That's what they say on Fox too, but Fox didn't cover the meeting either, or read the reports the investigators did.

Obviously none on the right did.

Hillary Lied...

Embassies have security cameras feeding live video back to DC... they aren't on local VHS tapes...

They have cameras pointing other places than just the women's toilets... they aren't the New York Times where that's a common practice.

THey knew it wasn't a protest WHILE it was happening.

Hello smoothy:


Hillary liedShe MAY have. I'd send Steve Doocy over there to get the REAL story.. Or, that crack investigator Bill O'Reiley has... What's his name? Brietbart ought to be able to uncover the coverup, no?

Bwa, ha ha ha...

Excon

Thats what they say on Fox too, but Fox didn't cover the meeting either, or read the reports the investigators did.

Obviously none on the right did.

Nothing new about you guys missing the point, at least Fox reported on it. The others? Dead Americans were no more a concern to them than they were to you.

Amazing how you single out just a few and lay blame and don't consider the many more that you ignore.

Evita and Emperor Zero are brainstorming and coming up with an approved narrative they will stick with... Then this Sunday the -*ahem-* "invetigative journalists " at CBS 60 Minutes will ask them the hard questions...
Like why haven't we heard from the 30 evacuees ?

Like why did she brush aside the lone question about Libyan arms being filtered through Turkey into Syria (asked by one of the few Senators who was willing to actually do their job of oversight... Rand Paul)

Paul :“Is the U.S. involved with any procuring of weapons, transfer of weapons, buying, selling, anyhow transferring weapons to Turkey out of Libya?”

Evita “To Turkey?”...“I will have to take that question for the record. Nobody has ever raised that with me.”
Paul then asked whether the CIA annex in Benghazi was “involved with procuring, buying, selling, obtaining weapons, and were any of these weapons being transferred to other countries, any countries, Turkey included?”

Evita :“Well, senator, you'll have to direct that question to the agency that ran the annex,” Clinton said. “I will see what information is available.”

Paul: "You're saying you don't know?”

Evita :“I do not know,”...“I don't have any information on that.”


Like why is she concerned about (in her words ) the “spreading jihadist threat” ? That is not the language of the Obots .I thought they preferred “violent extremism ” so as not to offend the followers of the Prophet .Certainly there is still a poor schmuck who made a Youtube video who is still disappeared in jail over his offending the followers . Didn't the President say at the UN ,many days after he knew that the video had nothing to do with the attack that “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”?

They tell us that AQ is on the run ,that OBL is dead and that GM is alive ;and that we are ending the long war . Where did this concern about the spreading jihadist threat come from ? If AQ is on the run then why did Evita warn against allowing Mali becoming asafe haven for AQIM (Al-Qaida in the Maghreb)

Maybe they can tell us why 'the February 17 Martyrs Brigade 'was hired to secure the 'special mission' (it never was a consulate ) .
Maybe she can explain how Libyan weapons are showing up in Mali ?

Maybe she can tell us that there is no way for the Sec State to determine that an urgent communiqué from an Ambassador should be looked at and separated from the multitude of cables the State Dept receives . Where was the breakdown ;and who if anyone was held accountable ?

Oh What does it matter at this point ?

Hello tom:

The reason the secretary didn't know about Turkey is because she doesn't get her news from Glenn Beck. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYTbtv8BEaA). Apparently, Rand Paul does... What a dufus!

excon

If Glen Beck is reporting it then he is a better reporter than the whole 60 Minute staff .

Hello again, tom:


if Glen Beck is reporting it then he is a better reporterThat you even suggest he's a reporter, is the funniest thing I've heard all day. That you appear to BELIEVE him, is funnier still..

Excon

Hello again, tom:

That you even suggest he's a reporter, is the funniest thing I've heard all day. That you appear to BELIEVE him, is funnier still..

excon

That was the 1st time I saw anyone report on what really happened in any depth in this country . I had not seen Beck in months and would not know how to find him... I've seen some other reports on the web ;mostly from foreign sources who are not cheeleading our emperor .

Hello again, tom:

I'm glad I was able to fill in some of the blanks for you... Let me see. Obama is a traitor, terrorist, Muslim, and probably a communist too.

Well, there you have it.

excon

I never said he was a Muslim.

I will... he attended a Madras in his youth... they won't even ALLOW a christian into one... nor would a christian want to attend. His words.. in his autobiography. Which by definition he wrote himself.

So he at least has some explaining to do about that. If he's not now.. then he has to have been at one time.

So smoothy your athiestic idea is once a muslim always a muslim

What does anyone's religion have to do with being an American? We are a country of many religions and backgrounds. I mean Muslims like Christians have many sub sects that varies in small ways from the main group.

What's your issue Smoothy since he says he is a Christian as anyone despite his upbringing. Are you antisemetic too?

From last night's SOTU...


“As long as I’m commander-in-chief, we will do whatever we must to protect those who serve their country abroad...”

Unless you're in Benghazi and under an 8 hour attack after multiple requests for increased security, not to mention actually targeting for the requested air support that never came. In fact, not even a "how's it going" from the commander-in-chief..

so smoothy your athiestic idea is once a muslim always a muslim

Not MY idea... Muslims will kill any other Muslim that leaves their Pedophille worshiping cult. Their Pedophile manifesto titled the Koran mandates it.

From last night's SOTU...



Unless you're in Benghazi and under an 8 hour attack after multiple requests for increased security, not to mention actually targeting for the requested air support that never came. In fact, not even a "how's it going" from the commander-in-chief..

I couldn't watch it... every time that man spews something on TV its nothing but propaganda and lies...

We are in the mess we are because of his imcompetance... and he still thinks he alone has all the answers.. and the fact nothing he insists on forcing down our throats works.. is really all a conspirocy designed to make him look bad... orchistrated by Bush, Cheney and Rove.

We know from testimony from Panetta that he told the President about the attack ;and the President made a general comment about doing what they could... and then had no other contact with anyone from his national security team the rest of the night. Panetta also said they knew that night it was a terrorist attack ;and not the spontaneous demonstration about a Youtube video that the President and his team spun for weeks after .
We know that the President could've authorized the deployment of assets ;and maybe if they weren't there in time to save Stevens' life , they would've been there to either assist in the later attacks on the CIA station... or at least SECURE the compound so the FBI could do their investigation in a timely basis .

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hzqcaKxYu9U/UQN3hLWpNkI/AAAAAAAAONo/IAVIoLSbJko/s1600/Hillary-WhatDoes-It-Matter463x309.jpg

It matters a lot... and it mattered even more in the weeks before the election when the Obots decided to lie and cover up the details of the attack .

Fact is it happened, and the terrorists got one up on that one, is this why all the angst in Washington and they had to be placated with some scalps, who would want to be an ambassador if you could die in the job

Fact is it happened, and the terrorists got one up on that one, is this why all the angst in Washington and they had to be placated with some scalps, who would want to be an ambassador if you could die in the job

Exactly... I'd be, "you want to send me where?" Knowing they DON'T have your back at all.

Some jobs just don't pay enough for the risk involved.

But then there is the state funeral... there's that, isn't there?

But then there is the state funeral...there's that, isn't there?

I'd rather die a natural death and be buried in a pine box... than be gang sodomized and tortured and beaten to death by Muslim troglodytes and get a state funeral like Christopher Stevens got.

Is sodomy any better than one catholic priet at a time? Enlighten us expert of the booty hole.

Ok so now we have catholic troglodites and muslim troglodites in the one box, who's going to trot out the paedophile manual koran and prove the catholics read it

Is sodomy any better than one catholic priet at a time? Enlighten us expert of the booty hole.

You do know that's how he died,, its wasn't smoke inhailation... thats what they want the sheeple to believe...

You think he died by being gang raped because you have inside information about this?

Go on, this is great entertainment.

Of course smoothy has inside information he works in the Centre for Inside Information

Actually that was the initial report by Lebanese and French sources. It was never either verified or rebutted

It was never either verified or rebuttedBut smoothy knows.

We'll never know the truth if we rely on the American press. They've run interference for the Obots since 9-11-12 .

There were at least 30 Americans evacuated from Benghazi... Do we even know the name of one of them ;or have we heard an interview ,a statement from any of them. Can someone tell us why not ? The FBI didn't get to Benghazi to investigate for 3 weeks after the attack .By that time the scene was completely compromised and probably scrubbed of any useful evidence.

of course smoothy has inside information he works in the Centre for Inside Information

Its not a great secret in Washington... besides... you don't have a clue where I have worked and who I know around here the last 30 years.

You'd be shocked if I rattled off a list of the places my circle of friends work and particularly if I ever revealed the places I've worked.

Its not a great secret in Washington... besides... you don't have a clue where I have worked and who I know around here the last 30 years.

You'd be shocked if I rattled off a list of the places my circle of friends work and particularly if I ever revealed the places I've worked.My god, you're mysterious and powerful and connected - we are excited by your stories... tell us more!

Well, I know the most exciting event up in your part of Canada is a moose getting hit by a truck.

And if you had much of a memory.. you'd remember I was almost one of the Victims at the Pentagon on 9/11. And had I left much later than I had.. I would have been, two of the people I worked with that night that asked me to hang around a bit longer weren't as fortunate... and their names are on the memorial..

Use a little of that overly active liberal imagination to think about why I might have been there.

Its not a great secret in Washington...besides...you don't have a clue where I have worked and who I know around here the last 30 years.

You'd be shocked if I rattled off a list of the places my circle of friends work and particularly if I ever revealed the places I've worked.

smoothy the only thing that shocks me is a that a person as well connected as you has the time to chat with us plebs

smoothy the only thing that shocks me is a that a person as well connected as you has the time to chat with us plebs

Expect me to be hanging out on the Golf course with the Bozo in the White house?

Well considering your sources, and there are so many bozo's to choose from

Well considering your sources, and there are so many bozo's to choose from

I don't have a NEED to impress any of you, you either take me at my word... or any of you can stuff it...

Because if you have ever done the sort of work I've done... you wouldn't be making those comments or making those assumptions.

Therefore... even if I did say... you would not grasp the what . Why and how part of it anyway.

In that rariefied atmosphere you call home is there room for anything but your head, I'm amazed someone hasn't asked you to hold some important office, oh, wait a minute, that depends on your crowd being in power, doesn't it?

In that rariefied atmosphere you call home is there room for anything but your head

You already have all that space occupied.

Its clear you've never been in the back rooms of the City hall, much less anything higher level... or you would have been able to read between the lines and understand a bit more than you have.

I've considered an Attorney General of a foreign country a good and close friend... and was welcome in their home for many years before they passed away, and not just their office.

Who I know here in this country and where all I've been isn't the business of anyone outside the government and its agencies, much less anyone online.

And anyone that knows anything about that sort of thing... understands everything they need to know from that statement.

You already have all that space occupied.

Its clear you've never been in the back rooms of the City hall, much less anything higher level....or you would have been able to read between the lines and understand a bit more than you have.

I've considered an Attorney General of a foreign country a good and close friend....and was welcome in their home for many years before they passed away, and not just their office.

Who I know here in this country and where all I've been isn't the business of anyone outside the government and its agencies, much less anyone online.

And anyone that knows anything about that sort of thing.....understands everything they need to know from that statement.

I don't live in Washington, Smoothy, that is your territory, but I too have known politicians and as you put it been in the back rooms of "city hall". I have been consulted by those in state treasury and have moved on, leaving the B/S to younger men. The difference between your existence and mine is the level of corruption you are prepared to tolerate

I don't live in Washington, Smoothy, that is your territory, but I too have known politicians and as you put it been in the back rooms of "city hall". I have been consulted by those in state treasury and have moved on, leaving the B/S to younger men. The difference between your existence and mine is the level of corruption you are prepared to tolerate

The worst corruption is with the left wing media... for 30 years I've been seeing what really happens then see later what they try to make everyone believe happened.

I also have been enough places to know its at least as bad in every other country too... and worse in most.

And I actually AM qualified to make that statement.

"Honest Politician" is an oxymoron in the entire world.

An honest man is lucky to get elected dog catcher much less anything more important..

Take a vacation my friend, as your long hours and varied experiences have made you a pessimitic sourpuss. A biased one at that.

Take a vacation my friend, as your long hours and varied experiences have made you a pessimitic sourpuss. A biased one at that.

Spoken like someone who has NEVER walked in my shoes... been where I've been.. or seen what I've seen.

Until you have... you can't really make an educated statement to that effect.

I only became a cynic after decades of seeing this stuff day in and day out.

Amazing how little most people really know about what goes on... since they blindly believe everything they are told to believe...

Did you believe everything CNN told you during Desert Shield and Desert Storm too? Bwaaahahahhaa.

Honest is a difficult term to define, but few of our politicians are millionaires, and it certainly isn't a qualification for high office. We operate in a somewhat different paradigm and with some very vigilent anti-corruption watchdogs. Some erstwhile state politicians are getting the treatment at the moment and very few make the transition to federal politics and even those who do fall foul of the same processes. It is my understanding you rate higher than we do on the international corruption indexes

I don't have a NEED to impress any of you,Apparently you do since you continuously do try to impress us with your insider knowledge and worldliness.

Apparently you do since you continuously do try to impress us with your insider knowledge and worldliness.

You got a real problem up there in the great white north... got nothing better to do up there... mabe go shovel some snow or something?

honest is a difficult term to define, but few of our politicians are millionaires, and it certainly isn't a qualification for high office. We operate in a somewhat different paradigm and with some very vigilent anti-corruption watchdogs. Some erstwhile state politicians are getting the treatment at the moment and very few make the transition to federal politics and even those who do fall foul of the same processes. It is my understanding you rate higher than we do on the international corruption indexes

And who creates those "Indexes" and what bias do they have? You have to look at underlying motives with many of those groups, and look at who is funding them.. Transparency is something most of them don't believe in.

Quid pro QUO on the down low. Everybody has an agenda. Nobody wants to reveal it. Right or left.

And who creates those "Indexes" and what bias do they have? You have to look at underlying motives with many of those groups, and look at who is funding them.. Transparency is something most of them don't believe in.

Organisations like

Transparency International commissioned Johann Graf Lambsdorff of the University of Passau to produce the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI).[4] The 2012 CPI draws on 13 different surveys and assessments from 12 different institutions.[5] The institutions are the African Development Bank, the Bertelsmann Foundation, the Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House, Global Insight, International Institute for Management Development, Political and Economic Risk Consultancy, Political Risk Services, the World Economic Forum, the World Bank and the World Justice Project,


But the interesting thing is they all agree on placing you well up the list, OK you don't rate as badly as Russia or Afghanistan but there is room for improvement

organisations like



but the interesting thing is they all agree on placing you well up the list, ok you don't rate as badly as Russia or Afghanistan but there is room for improvement

I'd have to look into that one because I don't know it off the top of my head specifically but I bet they have a record of anti-American sentiment.. which is common in a lot of those offshore places... many of whom are located in countries with a history of not having the freedoms they crow about.

But the jist of that seems to have a lot in common with the groups that feel they are entitled to handouts they never have to pay back... and not have any conditions for the handouts either...

Most places the say World this or World that... are usually not pro-democracy or pro-capitalism groups... they feel entitled to handouts because certain countries prosper because of all the things they don't believe in and they take exception to it..

I'm willing to be they rave about the Palestinians and belittle the Israelis.. in some release... but I have a few things to do first... I'll check later.

It's confirmed, Obama did not pick up the phone to do a damn thing about the Benghazi attack. An eight hour attack, preceded by multiple requests for increased security, repeated warnings that the compound could not withstand an attack and a cable warning of an imminent attac (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/11/02/report_benghazi_consulate_warned_of_imminent_terro rist_attack_three_hours_before_raid)k which killed our ambassador and others, and Zero was a zero (President Obama didn’t make any phone calls the night of the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, the White House said in a letter to Congress released Thursday. “During the entire attack, the president of the United States never picked up the phone to put the weight of his office in the mix,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, who had held up Mr. Obama’s defense secretary nominee to force the information to be released. Mr. Graham said that if Mr. Obama had picked up the phone, at least two of the Americans killed in the attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi might still be alive because he might have been able to push U.S. aid to get to the scene faster. The White House has said Mr. Obama was kept up to date on the attack by his staff, though after being alerted to the attack in a pre-scheduled afternoon meeting he never spoke again with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin E. Dempsey or then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.).


President Obama didn’t make any phone calls the night of the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, the White House said in a letter to Congress released Thursday. “During the entire attack, the president of the United States never picked up the phone to put the weight of his office in the mix,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, who had held up Mr. Obama’s defense secretary nominee to force the information to be released. Mr. Graham said that if Mr. Obama had picked up the phone, at least two of the Americans killed in the attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi might still be alive because he might have been able to push U.S. aid to get to the scene faster. The White House has said Mr. Obama was kept up to date on the attack by his staff, though after being alerted to the attack in a pre-scheduled afternoon meeting he never spoke again with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin E. Dempsey or then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

But hey, he got off to his campaign event.

he got off to his campaign event.While 3.000 americans were being killed Bush was reading a children's book to students for a photo op.

New book adds an additional twist to the gun running angle (which the authors call an "open secret" ). The Obots were running operations in Libya that even General P at CIA ,and Evita at State was kept out of the loop. What the book details is a detail that I could not find ,a motive for the attack .


It turns out that, per the book, the West, particularly the United States, leading up to the 2011 Libyan civil war had been flooding Libya with literally millions of weapons. After the West—NATO, with Obama at the helm—decided to topple Gaddafi, these millions of weapons then fell into Al-Qaeda and associated groups' hands. And what Team Obama wasn't funneling to the Syrian rebels (what Benghazi: The Definitive Report calls an “open secret”)—they wanted to get back from groups such as Ansar al-Sharia. Brennan, throughout North Africa, had been conducting his secret JSOC wars against al-Qaeda and associated groups; and lo and behold, yes, Mr. Brennan, there was retaliation. And that retaliation resulted in the deaths of four Americans at the consulate in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole Obama Benghazi cover-up was only partially about hiding the illegal funneling of Libyan weapons to Syria and was mainly about the real—but illegal—Commander-in-Chief John Brennan conducting secret wars in Libya—without approval from Congress, without approval from the Pentagon, and hidden even from the CIA, with only a behind-doors approval by Barack Hussein Obama.

I can just hear Zero telling John Brennan ,"yeah ,yeah {yawn} do what is necessary " .Brennan, who is now the nominee to head the CIA, was given a blank check. To do just about whatever he needed to do in North Africa and the Mideast, Brennan ,who has also directed the drone campaign chose to conduct a dangerous covert classified war without keeping Stevens in the loop .Stevens paid with his life.

Benghazi Attack Was Retaliation For Brennan?s Secret Al-Qaeda War (http://www.westernjournalism.com/benghazi-attack-was-retaliation-for-brennans-secret-al-qaeda-war/)

The authors... Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL, close friend of slain former Seal Glen Doherty,and the Executive Media Director of the Special Operations web site SOPFREP.com (Special Operations Forces Report) . Jack Murphy is an eight year Army Special Operations veteran ,and Managing Editor, USASOC Editor of SOPFREP.

While 3.000 americans were being killed Bush was reading a children's book to students for a photo op.

Right... and where was Bill Clinton? For that matter where was you anyway.. do you have an Alibi?

Because Unlike Bengazi where it happened over 7 straight hours when we had rapid reaction troops 45 minutes away... and Obama didn't give a hoot the entire time, we didn't know what was happening until after it happened on 9/11... EVERYONE... and I do mean EVERYONE thought the first one was an accident... it wasn't until after the Pentagon and the second one it became obvious it wasn't an accident.

And by the way Einstein... Bush was reading to those kids when the FIRST plane hit... without warning... contrary to what you might believe... he wasn't still doing it when the second plane hit OR the Pentagon got hit... but then facts don't matter much to you, do they.

Are you one of the loons that believes the Jewish Lobby did it?

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Are you one of the loons that believes the Jewish Lobby did it?

Did what? The Israeli do many things to look after their own security so discount nothing

Did what? The Israeli do many things to look after their own security so discount nothing

You are beyond hope if you believe that crap...

I'd have to look into that one because I don't know it off the top of my head specifically but I bet they have a record of anti-American sentiment..which is common in a lot of those offshore places....many of whom are located in countries with a history of not having the freedoms they crow about.


At least three of these are American organizations.




But the jist of that seems to have a lot in common with the groups that feel they are entitled to handouts they never have to pay back...and not have any conditions for the handouts either....


Usually we don't start a new paragraph with the word, "But". By doing so you are creating a number of predicates without subjects. The gist of what? What groups? A new paragraph is for a new idea.




Most places the say World this or World that.....are usually not pro-democracy or pro-capitalism groups....they feel entitled to handouts because certain countries prosper because of all the things they don't believe in and they take exception to it..


I am not sure what you are saying in this paragraph? Exception to what? What are some of the things they don't they believe in?

I did mention ellipsis points in a previous thread. Generally ellipsis points are used as an indication that no clarification is required. In this particular paragraph clarification would be of help.

At least three of these are American organizations.



Usually we don't start a new paragraph with the word, "But". By doing so you are creating a number of predicates without subjects. The gist of what? What groups? A new paragraph is for a new idea.



I am not sure what you are saying in this paragraph? Exception to what? What are some of the things they don't they believe in?

Why are you using ellipsis points? Generally they are used as an indication that no clarification is required. In this particular paragraph clarification would be of help.

There are plenty of Anti-American groups in the USA... Southern Law Center, ACLU, The Democrat party for just three of them.

On the rest

This isn't English Grammar class so stuff it... who appointed you grammar cop anyway?

This isn't English Grammar class so stuff it .....who appointed you grammar cop anyway?



Just trying to help you get your message across. If you are not interested then that's fine with me.

While 3.000 americans were being killed Bush was reading a children's book to students for a photo op.

Yeah was a pathetic cheap shot as usual. Bush was where he was supposed to be at the time, where the hell was Obama for eight hours when he had opportunity to do something?

I was just parodying your post here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/benghazi-white-wash-723413-9.html#post3397433


But hey, he got off to his campaign event.
Like always when I do the same thing you do you suddenly find my use of it offensive. I think there's a word for that. :D

Have a great day - I'm off to a funspiel.

I was just parodying your post here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/benghazi-white-wash-723413-9.html#post3397433


Like always when I do the same thing you do you suddenly find my use of it offensive. I think there's a word for that. :D

Have a great day - I'm off to a funspiel.

As always, you might have a point if the facts supported you but they don't. Bush did the right thing, Obama did not.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2069582,00.html

As always, you might have a point if the facts supported you but they don't. Bush did the right thing, Obama did not.

Students with Bush on 9/11 Look Back After bin Laden Death - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2069582,00.html)

Clinton: I warned Bushabout bin Laden threat (http://www.wnd.com/2003/10/21299/)


“In his campaign, Bush had said he thought the biggest security issue was Iraq and a national missile defense,” Clinton said, according to Reuters. “I told him that in my opinion, the biggest security problem was Osama bin Laden.”
Read more at Clinton: I warned Bushabout bin Laden threat (http://www.wnd.com/2003/10/21299/#hTqzZRJLuI5W6IfA.99)

Who is rewriting history? Who did the right thing?

Bush knew they were atracking that day and went to Florida? So you're a truther, eh?

Obama was right there, with an urgent cable of an imminent threat and did nothing through an 8 hour attack, then sent a stooge out to lie about it.

Hello again, Steve:


Bush knew they were atracking that day and went to Florida? So you're a truther, eh?Do they have a name for the Benghazi yahoos like you yet? I'm going to invent one.

You're the Benghazi whores. How about Benziphobes? What about Benziniers? Oooh, I like that. Any others?

Excon

How about the right wing noise machine? Where facts don't matter just the NOISE.

Just finished the e-book... it's about a 2 hr read ;more like a long essay . Basically it blames Brennan for running covert ops in Libya related to whacking jihadists. Neither the CIA under Petraeus, or Stevens and the State Dept were unaware of these ops .They were carried out from the White House ala Ollie North style. Evidently Zero had little knowledge or interest in Brennan's activities . Brennan it contends kicked a hornets nest and the jihadists ,looking for revenge ,targeted the mission .
The book also claims that General P realized after the attack that he had been out of the loop and effectively resigned weeks before the revelations about his affair. However ,the desk jockeys at CIA were not happy about Petraeus reign there and had found out about his trists from his security contingent ;and had leaked it to the FBI . They set it up so Petraeus could not leave on his own terms ;and they calculated that they had damaged any future run for the Presidency by the General.
Benghazi: The Definitive Report: Brandon Webb, Jack Murphy: Amazon.com: Kindle Store (http://www.amazon.com/Benghazi-The-Definitive-Report-ebook/dp/B00AHCRRJS)

Hello again, Steve:

Do they have a name for the Benghazi yahoos like you yet? I'm gonna invent one.

You're the Benghazi whores. How about Benziphobes? What about Benziniers?? Oooh, I like that. Any others?

excon

I call your side the' Benghazi deniers '.. Evita is the poster person "what difference does it make" ?
http://www.federalobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/comrade-hillary.jpeg

I call your side the' Benghazi deniers '.. Evita is the poster person "what difference does it make" ?
http://www.federalobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/comrade-hillary.jpeg

Yet another form of BDS, Benghazi Denier Syndrome.

Hello again, Benziniers:


Yet another form of BDS, Benghazi Denier Syndrome.This, from people who believe that Obama gave guns to Mexicans so they would kill an American. And, that would piss off the people SOOOOO bad, that Obama could confiscate all the guns..

Okee doakee.

Excon

PS> Since you wingers LOVE Obama conspiracy crap, I'm sure you'll LOVE this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzT6X3_Bg9o&feature=youtu.be).

So far Dr Garrow is a single source so I am not inclined to believe it ;yet . He is in fact a Nobel Peace Prize winner (the same year Obama won it... except Garrow did something to earn it ).He is a renown author and activist... author of "The Pink Pagoda: One Man's Quest to End Gendercide in China". He has rescued thousands of girls from death in China and currently owns and operates over 250 schools there . However ;it is unlikely that the President would make such an overt question without it being confirmed by more than one
2nd hand source.

He is entitled to his opinion. Though his logic is flawed in my opinion. I get suspicious with unnamed, high ranking, anonymous sources.

Hello again,

No matter WHO the good doctors is, his SOURCE won't reveal himself.. So, let me talk about his SOURCE.

I'm a businessman/salesman/military veteran... I have vendors ask me, "IF you offered this to your customers, WOULD they buy it?" I answer with a scowl.

In the real world, where the rubber meets the road, that's a question that CANNOT be answered. In fact, in LIFE it can't be answered with certainty.

If I -- would you?

The military doesn't deal with uncertainty. Therefore, the question, would you obey an order if I issued it, would NEVER be proposed in the military! That would be NEVER. The question IMPLIES that there's a CHOICE. In the military, there is NO choice.. The chain of command doesn't want to know if their order, say, to take that hill WILL be obeyed. The chain of command ORDERS it, and the troops COMPLY. There is NO if. On the battlefield, you comply or you get shot.

Therefore, in my view, the question clearly comes from the mind of somebody who has NEVER served, and somebody who wants to stir up trouble.

excon

In the military, there is NO choice
Tell that to Glen Doherty who was denied 3 requests to assist Ambassador Stevens ;and ultimately defied them ;and led a rescue mission to the compound ,that saved over 30 staffers ,and which ultimately cost him his life.
Yes sometimes orders don't get obeyed . The military command is sworn to defend the Constitution and not necessarily follow orders like some drone.

Hello again, Benziniers:

This, from people who believe that Obama gave guns to Mexicans so they would kill an American. And, that would piss off the people SOOOOO bad, that Obama could confiscate all the guns..

Okee doakee.

excon


Interesting theory, how long did it take for you to make that one up?

Hello again, tom:


Tell that to Glen Doherty who was denied 3 requests to assist Ambassador Stevens You TOO, are unable to differentiate between an ORDER from a request.. It's FURTHER evidence that the leaker is a PHONY!

Excon

You have no idea who the leaker is or if there even is a leaker. This whole discussion about Garrow is a diversion from the Benghazi issue . For that matter Fast and Furious is not relevant either .

Glen Doherty was told to stand down so he disregarded direct orders .

Yeah stay on subject dude

http://www.bokbluster.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/121101sheehan_woods1.jpg

Hello again, Benziniers:

This, from people who believe that Obama gave guns to Mexicans so they would kill an American. And, that would piss off the people SOOOOO bad, that Obama could confiscate all the guns..

Okee doakee.

excon

PS> Since you wingers LOVE Obama conspiracy crap, I'm sure you'll LOVE this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzT6X3_Bg9o&feature=youtu.be).

So you are saying Fast and Furious never happened? Not even the Democrat leadership is making that claim.

Good thing we have a new Sec State to clarify the President's foreign policy . I bet even Evita did not know there was a nation called “Kyrzakhstan,” who has been a major ally in the war on terror .
John Kerry gaffe: Secretary of State makes up new country 'Kyrzakhstan' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284354/John-Kerry-gaffe-Secretary-State-makes-new-country-Kyrzakhstan.html)

Imagine the US press if former Sec State Condi Rice had made such a gaff!! If you need an example ,just look at how they trashed Romney over his alleged gaffs on his foreign junkets . Imagine what they would've said if Sarah Palin had said that!!
Hmmm Kyrzakhstan... isn't that where Borat came from ?

So you are saying Fast and Furious never happened? Not even the Democrat leadership is making that claim.

As far as I can see nothing ever happens over there

As far as I can see nothing ever happens over there

Not surprised... the curvature of the earth and all.

Hmmm Kyrzakhstan.......isn't that where Borat came from ?

No that's the place who were upset with Borat who made his film in Bulgaria

You know Kyrzakhistan, wide open spaces, windy place, space port

Good thing we have a new Sec State to clarify the President's foreign policy . I bet even Evita did not know there was a nation called “Kyrzakhstan,” who has been a major ally in the war on terror .
John Kerry gaffe: Secretary of State makes up new country 'Kyrzakhstan' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284354/John-Kerry-gaffe-Secretary-State-makes-new-country-Kyrzakhstan.html)

Imagine the US press if former Sec State Condi Rice had made such a gaff!! If you need an example ,just look at how they trashed Romney over his alleged gaffs on his foreign junkets . Imagine what they would've said if Sarah Palin had said that!!
Hmmm Kyrzakhstan... isn't that where Borat came from ?

And in Germany he offered this great reason to be an American... you have the right to be stupid.


'In America, you have a right to be stupid, if you want to be,' he said. 'And you have a right to be disconnected to somebody else if you want to be. And we tolerate that - we somehow make it through that."

Read more: John Kerry says Americans 'have a right to be stupid' and tells how he lost his diplomatic passport at age 12 after sneaking out to Soviet-controlled East Berlin in 1950s | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284792/John-Kerry-says-Americans-right-stupid-tells-lost-diplomatic-passport-age-12-sneaking-Soviet-controlled-East-Berlin-1950s.html#ixzz2M8oljIMl)

Anyone that can find Kyrzakhstan should know...

http://www.jasonbennion.com/photos/albums/Misc/kerry_bunnysuit.jpg

Well, Consider the President that visited all 57 states nominated the Buffoon John Kerry...

Goes to show you morons like to surround themselves with other morons.

It depends on who you have available, both sides appear to have a good crop of morons and fellow travellers

It depends on who you have available, both sides appear to have a good crop of morons and fellow travellers
Except his fellow morons were praising him for the last 5 years as the smartest man to ever run for or hold the office.

Personally I haven't seen a single intelligent remark come out of that mans mouth yet, or done a single intelligent action that I can remember. Hell he even claimed credit for killing Bin Laden after years of crying foul over the programs and policies put in place by George Bush to find Bin Laden that actually led to us finding him..

Look it isn't every one who gets a Nobel Prize before you have actually done anything, but he must have got it for talk so what else is new. He might be the smartest who ever held office but they forgot to put the rider to that, he didn't have much competition. One thing is certain he hasn't made the same gaffs as some of his predecessors but give him time

And in Germany he offered this great reason to be an American...you have the right to be stupid.



Anyone that can find Kyrzakhstan should know...

http://www.jasonbennion.com/photos/albums/Misc/kerry_bunnysuit.jpg

And stupid Americans can get stuck in Iraq .
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/soldiers-answer-to-kerry.jpg

Look it isn't every one who gets a Nobel Prize before you have actually done anything, but he must have got it for talk so what else is new. He might be the smartest who ever held office but they forgot to put the rider to that, he didn't have much competition. One thing is certain he hasn't made the same gaffs as some of his predecessors but give him time

He hasn't made the same gaffs? You haven't been looking too hard have you?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Obama+gaffs&oq=Obama+gaffs&gs_l=hp.3..0i10l4.1281.3700.0.5104.11.11.0.0.0.0.2 01.1251.3j7j1.11.0.les%3Bcappsweb..0.0...1.1.5.psy-ab.dt6ogmJ8dx0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43148975,d.dmg&fp=6c1c709bdab66740&biw=2048&bih=1006

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Obama+gaffs&nfpr=1&sa=X&ei=xMguUdTeMe-F0QG5_4GIDg&ved=0CDAQvgUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43148975,d.dmg&fp=6c1c709bdab66740&biw=2048&bih=1006





I hold getting the Nobel Prize with the same esteem getting the Publishers Clearing houses sweepstakes notice I might have won...

But I don't think you had those mass mailings down under... but you might have had something similar.

He hasn't made the same gaffs? You haven't been looking too hard have you?


Guess they are not so obvious at a distance, we have our own bunch of morons to keep track of, like Julia of the seven month election campaign, or Julia of the actual staying overnight in Western Sydney, Julia of the Mining Tax that raises no revenue, Wayne of the surplus we have just got to have, the rest are just too idiotic to comment on, needless to say they don't all originate with one person


I hold getting the Nobel Prize with the same esteem getting the Publishers Clearing houses sweepstakes notice I might have won...

But I don't think you had those mass mailings down under... but you might have had something similar.

We get plagued by Readers Digest I expect it is the same thing, we also have a really neat thing going on with Australia Post where you can't opt out of their junk mail, I expect they learned that from you

guess they are not so obvious at a distance, we have our own bunch of morons to keep track of, like Julia of the seven month election campaign, or Julia of the actual staying overnight in Western Sydney, Julia of the Mining Tax that raises no revenue, Wayne of the surplus we have just got to have, the rest are just too idiotic to comment on, needless to say they don't all originate with one person



we get plagued by Readers Digest I expect it is the same thing, we also have a really neat thing going on with Australia Post where you can't opt out of their junk mail, I expect they learned that from you
Well, I'll give you a pass on that being you live on the far side of the planet. ABC "news" just got caught creatively editing Moochelle Obamas interview to edit out a stupid gaff she made the other day... only got caught because an unedited copy existed...

Well, I'll give you a pass on that being you live on the far side of the planet. ABC "news" just got caught creatively editing Moochelle Obamas interview to edit out a stupid gaff she made the other day...only got caught because an unedited copy existed...

Is that your ABC or ours? I wouldn't put too much store in what our ABC does, they see themselves as truth in media and let it all hang out

Is that your ABC or ours? I wouldn't put too much store in what our ABC does, they see themselves as truth in media and let it all hang out

I was referring to our ABC news... in the USA... being your ABC news gets zero airplay here.

they see themselves as truth in media and let it all hang out yeah ;all the major networks delude themselves into thinking they are the gate-keepers of truth.

Here the majority of the media has an unwritten credo " We give you all the news the way we want you to think it happened"


Hell they can't even get local stories right... I know immediate family of one of the high profile murders that's still in the news here... and according to them they aren't even reporting that accurately. And Politics aren't even a factor in that story.

Hello Benziniers:

You SAY 4 dead people is enough for the congress to loose its mind, and GET to the bottom of it...

But, 11 people died on the BP platform, and when the exec's appeared before congress, you wingers fawned all over them.

What's with THAT?

excon

Hello Benziniers:

You SAY 4 dead people is enough for the congress to loose its mind, and GET to the bottom of it...

But, 11 people died on the BP platform, and when the BP exec's appeared before congress, you wingers fawned all over them.

What's with THAT?

excon

Ex... we had rapid reaction forces on duty... in Sicily Italy stationsed there fore a very long time for exactly this type of situation... they train for this... they live for this... they were a 45 minute flight away... they could have scrambled.. and been there within 2 hours tops of the order... Bengahzi lasted over 9 hours.

The White house refused to deploy them.

But then look at the stink you lefties still get your panties in a knot over a hotel room break in where nobody even got a paper cut... DECADES AGO at Watergate.

Ex....we had rapid reaction forces on duty....in Sicily Italy stationsed there fore a very long time for exactly this type of situation.....they train for this....they live for this....they were a 45 minute flight away....they could have scrambled..and been there within 2 hours tops of the order....Bengahzi lasted over 9 hours.

The White house refused to deploy them.

But then look at the stink you lefties still get your panties in a knot over a hotel room break in where nobody even got a paper cut.....DECADES AGO at Watergate.

When will you learn, you can't just deploy your forces into another country. To deploy there would have to be permission from the Libyans and from the start they said they didn't want americans or foreign troops on the ground

You live in a fantasy world, delta force and all that crap, it might be all right to take out Bin Laden that way but to respond to some nondescript little incident that way...

When will you learn, you can't just deploy your forces into another country. To deploy there would have to be permission from the Libyans and from the start they said they didn't want americans or foriegn troops on the ground

You live in a fantasy world, delta force and all that crap, it might be alright to take out Bin Laden that way but to respond to some nondescript little incident that way.............

Bullsh*t... Obama was already using our Air-force and ground observers there... plus an attack like that on an Embassy is a Recognized act of war even by the UN... which give us every right to respond.

And what passes as news over there might not have covered it very well... but it was not a "LITTLE INCIDENT" Well armed Terrorists attacked... overran it... burned it and Killed 4 Americans.

And under International law... an Embassy is Sovereign territory of that country that is represented in it. Which means an Attack on a US Embassy abroad is no different than an attack within the United States itself.

I think Pat Caddell is right...

Obama is the closest thing to Nixon we've seen in 40 year (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/28/obama-is-closest-thing-to-nixon-weve-seen-in-40-years/)

So you and Pat want the name of those who were in all likely hood cia operatives made public?

So you and Pat want the name of those who were in all likely hood cia operatives made public?

Congress can't know? You missed the larger point, you apparently approve of Obama's lies and corruption and media complicity. My how things have changed since Bush was in office.

Who in congress is asking for names? More to the point, why would a journalist need to know? I doubt seriously if the ones on the intelligence committees of congress would share those names with the public any way. Or say anything in public.

Still missing the forest for the trees.

Don't sidestep the issue, just show me who in congress is doing the hollering.

Hello again, Steve:

I still want to know WHY you don't think 11 dead men on the BP oil platform matter? I want to know WHY, when the CEO appeared before congress, the right wingers were trampling all over themselves to lavish praise upon him.

excon

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57566462/$4-billion-bp-oil-spill-criminal-settlement-approved/

The right embraces rich criminals who do bad things. Banks, oil, doesn't matter.

Benghazi is a case of criminal neglect by Democrats in the government... Benghazi it 1,000 times worse than Watergate the Democrats have milked for decades.

Hillary Clinton has blood on her hands... Barrack Obama has even more blood on his hands.

Hello again, smoothy:


Benghazi it 1,000 times worse than WatergateAs long as we're doing math, BP wins 11-4. Oh, by the way, mine is REAL math.

Excon

I don't remember us 'right wingers' gushing over the BP execs. I do remember Joe Barton saying the slush fund the President extorted from BP was a shake down.

Do YOU think it was a shakedown?

What do you call it ? There was a big difference between the President telling them to fork over some funds without due process ;and the later judicial settlement .

Don't sidestep the issue, just show me who in congress is doing the hollering.

Um, I raised the issue at hand, you're the one dancing around it

Hello again, Steve:

I still wanna know WHY you don't think 11 dead men on the BP oil platform matter? I wanna know WHY, when the CEO appeared before congress, the right wingers were trampling all over themselves to lavish praise upon him.

excon

And if you could show I didn't think the loss of 11 men in an industrial accident didn't matter we could talk.

What do you call it ? There was a big difference between the President telling them to fork over some funds without due process ;and the later judicial settlement .

He told them toput some money up front for immediate relief of affected people and the cost of government help, and resources. What tax payers were supposed to ante up for their mistakes?

And because they did does that let them off the hook for civil and criminal liability? I don't think so.


Um, I raised the issue at hand, you're the one dancing around it

I asked a simple question, what member of congress hasn't gotten what they need as far as info on Benghazi? There is nothing to dance around they know what they need to, even if it not public yet.

Screw a reporter trying to make a story out of it.

So you 're still stuck on a sentence, not the most transparent administration ever's similarity to Nixon.

Hello again,

This is as good a place as any to ask my question. You righty's are worried about 4 dead, and you WANT answers..

On the 10 year anniversary of the Iraq war, I want to know if Bush/Cheney LIED or the CIA was incompetent... We lost over 4,000 dead and over 30,000 wounded. The cost is in the TRILLIONS... And, I WANT answers.

You don't?

excon

PS> And we LOST the war too.

PPS> (edited) Uhhh. They want us to go into Syria and Iran too.

Hello again,

This is as good a place as any to ask my question. You righty's are worried about 4 dead, and you WANT answers..

On the 10 year anniversary of the Iraq war, I wanna know if Bush/Cheney LIED or the CIA was incompetent... We lost over 4,000 dead and over 30,000 wounded. The cost is in the TRILLIONS... And, I WANT answers.

You don't?

excon

PS> And we LOST the war too.

PPS> (edited) Uhhh. They want us to go into Syria and Iran too.
Remember the stink you lefties made of watergate... where NOBODY DIED...

I think Obama should be impeached... 4 people dead because he was too stupid to pay attention is orders of magnitude worse than a simple burglery someone else committed where nobody even got a paper cut.

If we lost the Iraq war its because Owebama ran away like a coward.

We wouldn't have lost Vietnam if they had treated that like a real war... measured responses is the Politically correct term for halfazzing it. Like we were doing there under the rules to prevent engagement Obama imposed.

And incidentally... Bush and CHeney didn't lie... putting your hands over your ears and going lalallalalallalallala doesn't change the fact the intelligence shows there was WMDs... WMD's WERE found... and prood exists that some of those were sent to Syria...

Hello again,

This is as good a place as any to ask my question. You righty's are worried about 4 dead, and you WANT answers..

On the 10 year anniversary of the Iraq war, I wanna know if Bush/Cheney LIED or the CIA was incompetent... We lost over 4,000 dead and over 30,000 wounded. The cost is in the TRILLIONS... And, I WANT answers.

You don't?

excon

PS> And we LOST the war too.

PPS> (edited) Uhhh. They want us to go into Syria and Iran too.
Obama lost the war when he failed to renew the status of forces agreement . Now the enemy is resurgent in Iraq and is for all intents and purposes the same as the jihadists fighting in Syria now . Yesterday the al-Nusra front in Syria used chemical weapons and blamed it on Assad. All indications are that they have the same chlorine signature that AQ in Iraq's chemical weapons had. (yes there were WMD in Iraq... NOBODY disputed that ) .

You supported the Arab Spring.. look what that unleashed . Why don't you want answers for that ?

Hello again, tom:

Couple things... You SAY the WMD's were there, but they could NOT be found. In order to cover for your neo-con buddies, of course, you'd say they were there. Frankly, I have more confidence in our military than you do. If there WERE WMD, our boys would have found them. Don't you think the question would be worth a committee hearing??

In terms of ANSWERS, Bush/Cheney et all work for ME. The Arab Springers don't.

excon

Hello again,

This is as good a place as any to ask my question. You righty's are worried about 4 dead, and you WANT answers..

On the 10 year anniversary of the Iraq war, I wanna know if Bush/Cheney LIED or the CIA was incompetent... We lost over 4,000 dead and over 30,000 wounded. The cost is in the TRILLIONS... And, I WANT answers.

You don't?

excon

PS> And we LOST the war too.

PPS> (edited) Uhhh. They want us to go into Syria and Iran too.

Uh, Obama walked away. So what answers do you want that you don't already have? I personally would like to hear from the Benghazi survivors that have been muzzled, wouldn't you?

Hello again, tom:

Couple things... You SAY the WMD's were there, but they could NOT be found. In order to cover for your neo-con buddies, of course, you'd say they were there. Frankly, I have more confidence in our military than you do. If there WERE WMD, our boys would have found them. Don't you think the question would be worth a committee hearing???



excon

Sure have hearings ,knock yourself out.. Call in all the intelligence people from all over the world to testify what they knew prior to the war . Call in the intel experts from a decade worth of work from 2 administrations that swore to the fact . Call in the UN inspectors who were saying weeks before the war that the WMD was still there . Maybe they will ALL say they were fooled by the all clever Saddam Hussein ,or even better... fooled by Chalabi .

Hello again,

Let me see if I've got this straight... There WERE WMD, even though we couldn't find them, the CIA was right, and so was Bush.. And, the REASON we lost, is because Obama walked away.

Dudes!

excon

Hello again,

Lemme see if I've got this straight... There WERE WMD, even though we couldn't find them, the CIA was right, and so was Bush.. And, the REASON we lost, is because Obama walked away.

Dudes!!

excon

We got them... there was even news reports on it... just because the left wants to ignore that fact doesn't change the reality of it.

Yes and yes. When Bush left office there was a status of forces agreement between the United States and the democratically elected government in Baghdad. AQ in Iraq was crushed but not yet defeated ,and the Shia had settled for a political deal. All that was left was the time for the new government to develop it's own security structure .
In the 4 years since ;after the Obots failed to renew the status of forces agreement ,the security situation has worsened ,and AQ in Iraq is on the rebound (with it's sister organization the al -Nusra front in Syria.) All that is on Obama's watch . He lost it .
When Bush left office , the Baathists' 40-year stranglehold on Iraq was over . We had liberated 25 million people from one of the most vicious regimes the region has produced. We put an end to Saddam Hussein and his deadly ambitions, which had provoked three wars in two decades in the region that had taken MILLIONS of lives .
All that was squandered under Obama who made the conscious choice to turn victory into defeat .

Oh yeah ,let's dispel another lie your side told... The claim that America invaded to “steal” Iraq's oil has been exposed as the lie it was.

Many Of Syria's Chemical Weapons May Have Come From Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071912-618875-syria-chemical-weapons-came-from-iraq-.htm)

Many Of Syria's Chemical Weapons May Have Come From Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071912-618875-syria-chemical-weapons-came-from-iraq-.htm)

A real possibility since it was suggested they were buried in Syria, but Bush didn't pursue them

a real possibility since it was suggested they were buried in Syria, but Bush didn't pursue them

The lefty pantywastes had enough problems over us finding the ones still in Iraq because it proved them wrong... they would have had strokes if we went after them in Syria.

Yes you can only fight one war at a time

yes you can only fight one war at atime

The Democrat party was Supporters of the Syrian Dictator... he's one of the FIRST people Obama visited after he was elected. He's in his Fifth year and it's the first visit to Israel just now... that speaks volumes.

I was discussing a Bush war not an Obama war, Obama doesn't do war well

I was discussing a Bush war not an Obama war, Obama doesn't do war well

Obama doesn't do anything well. Except maybe read a teleprompter... he's good at that.

a real possibility since it was suggested they were buried in Syria, but Bush didn't pursue them

More than a possibility... there was a convoy of trucks leaving Iraq ,and cargo planes flying into Syria in the days leading up to the invasion. Perhaps if Bush didn't have a decent respect to the opinions of mankind ,then he wouldn't have wasted months making the case to the world before the invasion. I'll add why I think the President didn't expand the war into Syria and Iran later ,although you probably already know the answer to that .

more than a possibility ... there was a convoy of trucks leaving Iraq ,and cargo planes flying into Syria in the days leading up to the invasion. Perhaps if Bush didn't have a decent respect to the opinions of mankind ,then he wouldn't have wasted months making the case to the world before the invasion. I'll add why I think the President didn't expand the war into Syria and Iran later ,although you probably already know the answer to that .

Resources, money, crediability

resources, money, crediabilityIf we wanted we could really turn that entire country into a desert devoid of human life in a matter of days... without resorting to nuclear weapons.

But that would upset the measured response panty wastes...

Partly true except the last one . No there were more complex factors involved . 1st ;post invasion the effort shifted to stabilizing the nation ;finding Saddam and his top officers ,combating his guerilla war . In this effort we had successes and failures .The failures was in the State Dept's post invasion administration of the country . A poor decision was made in not having the Iraqis form a govern
Ent .Instead we set up a provisional government with a Viceroy . That was a mistake.

During this time AQ had decided that Iraq would be the central front of the jihad . They were infiltrating through Syria ;but expanding the war with incursions into Syria and /or Iran (Syria's ally ) would've made it a regional war . Having the center of gravity in Iraq was in our interest .
But AQ did something that I don't think was expected. They blew up the golden Mosque; and plunged the nation into a civil war. Now our troops were dealing with fighting both AQ ,and various warring factions of the civil war.
We made political arrangement with the Shia when they got tired of fighting us ;and then we turned the Sunni's ;who in turn turned on AQ . Iraqi's twice went to the polls ,and they were on their way toward building their own free nation without the jack boot of a brutal totalitarian dictator.
We signed a treaty to assist in the nations security ,like we have done with other nations like South Korea and Europe (where American troops still have bases ) .
It was victory by anyone's standard .
Then Obama was elected and he squandered everything .
Here is a short answer .Once Saddam was captured ,tried by free Iraqi's and executed ,the emphasis shifted from finding and securing the WMD ,to securing the nation.

If we wanted we could really turn that entire country into a desert devoid of human life in a matter of days....without resorting to nuclear weapons.

But that would upset the measured response panty wastes....

I recall the same attitude towards Iraq and you did lay waste to a lot of the country thus you have no friends there now. But why hesitate, WMD are on the agenda again, the excuse has risen once more and the opportunity to destroy one more Baathist regime.

The days of a coalition of the willing are gone, we won't make that mistake again. You want war with Syria to revive your flagging economy, off you go

I recall the same attitude towards Iraq and you did lay waste to alot of the country thus you have no friends there now. but why hesitate, WMD are on the agenda again, the excuse has risen once more and the opportunity to destroy one more Baathist regime.

The days of a coalition of the willing are gone, we won't make that mistake again. You want war with Syria to revive your flagging economy, off you go

I hear violins playing again...


Oh.. keep that sentiment in mind when China starts flexing its muscle in your back yard.

I hear violins playing again...


Oh..keep that sentiment in mind when China starts flexing its muscle in your back yard.

Really what are they playing this time... when johnny comes marching home

I remember the Japanese

China isn't the issue there are bigger issues than China, Iran and NK are the big issues for you, China is sitting on the sidelines watching. China has a long history of staying in their traditional lands even if you want to debate what those lands might be. In any case we do business with China

really what are they playing this time....when johnny comes marching home

I remember the Japanese

China isn't the issue there are bigger issues than China, Iran and NK are the big issues for you, China is sitting on the sidelines watching. China has a long history of staying in their traditional lands even if you want to debate what those lands might be. In any case we do business with China When they decide to move in... and decide to move a few hundred MIllion other Chinese in with them... keep that thought in mind...

When they decide to move in...and decide to move a few hundred MIllion other Chinese in with them...keep that thought in mind...

Big deal we already have a Chinese population, nice people, industrious and your geography needs updating, this continent will not support hundreds of millions of people and in any case you can't walk here. You are more likely to have a problem with Chinese than we are once they decide they want their money back

China has massive amounts of water this is why they can support the population they have, we don't, water supply is already becoming a problem despite recent flooding. This is a very dry place and only a relatively small area is arable two hundred miles from the coast, maybe

Big deal we already have a Chinese population, nice people, industrious and your geography needs updating, this continent will not support hundreds of millions of people and in any case you can't walk here. You are more likely to have a problem with Chinese than we are once they decide they want their money back

China has massive amounts of water this is why they can support the population they have, we don't, water supply is already becoming a problem dispite recent flooding. This is a very dry place and only a relatively small area is arable two hundred miles from the coast, maybe

Wait until they have a few hundred million move a lot further south and be willing to work for a fraction what you Australians make... bet you change your tune then...

Here 30 years ago construction work was once a good paying job a white English speaking person could do and raise a family on... today you can't even get a job unless you speak Spanish... and the actual pay is half what it was 30 years ago without even considering the inflation in that time.

That can happen to you far easier than you may want to accept.

Update, it did happen to us, this is why our economy booms today, we made the adjustments. I spent years as an executive with no change in my pay while industry after industry went through adjustment, merger, or contracted out offshore.

update, it did happen to us, this is why our economy booms today, we made the adjustments. I spent years as an executive with no change in my pay while industry after industry went through adjustment, merger, or contracted out offshore.

If you have money for a house , car and internet... it didn't happen to the level I'm talking about. Or as widespread as I'm talking about.

Between the Chinese and the Indians (as in from India) there really isn't much someone wouldn't be wiling to take for 1/4 the pay you get now or less... get enough of that... and everything else will collapse around it...

Then everyone can look forward to a Calcutta-like existence.

If you have money for a house , car and internet...it didn't happen to the level I'm talking about. Or as widespread as I'm talking about.

Between the Chinese and the Indians (as in from India) there really isn't much someone wouldn't be wiling to take for 1/4 the pay you get now or less...get enough of that....and everything else will collapse around it....

Then everyone can look forward to a Calcutta-like existence.

I don't get any pay now, I pay myself thing is people come here so they don't have to live in calcutta

i don't get any pay now, I pay myself thing is people come here so they don't have to live in calcutta

When you get some Indian or CHinese type or more like several setting up shop doing the same thing you do nearby but charging a 1/4 what you do now.. you will, nobody is unique in what they have to offer.. and when average wages start to fall as a result of deflation... everyone is effected.

Everyone likes to think they are unique and indispensable... fact is nobody is... not me.. not you... not anyone, and some are much more dispensable than others.

Won't happen, these populations fit in and assimilate unlike muslims

As to been dispensible could we promote you to head of the list

won't happen, these populations fit in and assimilate unlike muslims

as to been dispensible could we promote you to head of the listYou already hold that position.

Most groups assimilate when they are in small enough numbers... when those numbers reach a tipping point they start pushing THEIR ways on everyone else.

Is that the problem Smoothy? Changing demographics here are making assimilation difficult?

And you thought this whitewash was over... the unreasonable CBS reporter that was on the receiving end of an admin tirade for thinking this was a story reports multiple new whistleblowers have come forward.

House investigators talking to new Benghazi whistleblowers - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57580105/house-investigators-talking-to-new-benghazi-whistleblowers/?tag=socsh)

Good I'm glad that isn't being swept under the carpet. We are entitled to answers... REAL ONES.

Wonder if they have access to any of the 30+ people rescued ? I haven't even heard any of their names yet.

Finally, there may be some traction here. Darrell Issa told the CIA to get some lawyers ready.

Lawyer up, Issa warns CIA staff (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/294685-lawyer-up-issa-warns-cia-staff)


House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is pushing ahead with his investigation of last year’s fatal attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, by preparing federal agencies to allow employees to lawyer up.

In separate letters to the legal offices of the CIA, State Department and Defense Department, Issa said some witnesses on the issue might need lawyers, if their agencies decide to retaliate against them for their testimony.

“During the course of the investigation, numerous individuals have approached the committee with information related to the attack,” wrote Issa in the letters, which were obtained by The Hill.

He asked agencies to provide details on how to grant outside attorneys the security clearances necessary for them to adequately represent employees discussing classified matters with congressional investigators.

“Some witnesses may be required to retain personal counsel to represent them before the committee and in the event the agency subsequently retaliates against them for cooperating with the committee’s investigation,” he said.

“Additional witnesses may be compelled by subpoena to give testimony to the committee and can be reasonably expected to retain personal counsel at that time.”

The letters are the latest sign that Issa is ramping up his investigation of the Benghazi attack and potential security and managerial failures that led up to it. He initially launched the probe last year, about a month after the attack.

He specifically warned these agencies against retaliation:


Issa also warned the agencies against taking negative action toward any employees that help his panel with its investigation.

“[I]t is important that the agency makes clear to its employees that they are free to furnish information to Congress in accordance with their statutory rights,” wrote Issa.

“Additionally, retaliation against a witness who communicates with the committee can be considered obstruction of a congressional investigation and is punishable by fine and imprisonment."

Looks like it's about to hit the fan...

I'm looking forwad to it hitting the fan.. and the responsible parties get hung.

Hello again,

I'm looking forwad to it hitting the fan.. and the responsible parties get hung.
The responsible party is YOU. I KNOW you think cutting funding for sh!t doesn't have any effect on the lives of real people, but it does...

YOU, and only YOU cut funding for embassy security (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.html). YOU, and only YOU thought it was a cut in the amount of pencils they bought. But, YOU were wrong. Security SAVES lives.. When you CUT it, lives are lost...

Look no further than YOURSELF.

Excon

Hello again,

The responsible party is YOU. I KNOW you think cutting funding for sh!t doesn't have any effect on the lives of real people, but it does...

YOU, and only YOU cut funding for embassy security (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.html). YOU, and only YOU thought it was a cut in the amount of pencils they bought. But, YOU were wrong. Security SAVES lives.. When you CUT it, lives are lost...

Look no further than YOURSELF.

exconBS... Owebama is responsible for those deaths by ordering the Rapid reaction foces in Sicily Italy to stand down from deploying... and Hillary Clintons fault as well.

THey are BOTH Democrats which makes it YOUR fault... I've never voted for a Democrat so I have no share of the blame.

They had all the money they need... I know people in the State Department... they said as much...

Hello again,

The responsible party is YOU. I KNOW you think cutting funding for sh!t doesn't have any effect on the lives of real people, but it does...

YOU, and only YOU cut funding for embassy security (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.html). YOU, and only YOU thought it was a cut in the amount of pencils they bought. But, YOU were wrong. Security SAVES lives.. When you CUT it, lives are lost...

Look no further than YOURSELF.

excon

Right, Dems and the admin should never, ever take responsibility for anything. Dude, it wasn't the GOP ignoring the requests for increased security in Libya. It wasn't the GOP that ignored the repeated calls for assistance and it wasn't the GOP that sent a stooge out to lie about the whole ordeal, so cut the crap on blaming Republicans. You're just pi$$ed that it won't go away like the Obama admin had hoped it would.

I'm sure they'll attempt to string it out past the 2014 mid-terms

Expect another tantrum (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pretty-shameful-day-for-washington-obama-rips-senate-failure-calls-out-gun-lobby-for-willful-lies/)... should anyone ask about it.

I think it is time Obama showed passion and anger on many issues

I think it is time Obama showed passion and anger on many issues
I think its high time he shuts up and stays away from the camera... FAR away from the cameras.

We could hope all politicians would do that

We could hope all politicians would do that

Yeah... but like the old saying goes... hope in one hand and take a crap in the other... see which gets full first.

Seems the White House may have been threatening whistleblowers, which I could have guessed if past history is any indication.

Obama administration officials threatened whistle-blowers on Benghazi, lawyer says | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/29/obama-administration-officials-have-threatened-whistle-blowers-on-benghazi/)

Shame the rest of the media has forgotten their role.

So clearly if Benghazi was a State Dept. "mission" (it never was a consulate ) ,then it violated International Law.

Oh dear, a violation of international law, so once again treaties mean nothing to the United States, they just go about their business as if no one else exists and when it bites them in the bum, someone hollars foul

Clete ,yesterday when asked about the people looking for whistle blower protection because they are being threatened by State Dept if they testify before Congress; the Emperor claimed he knew nothing about it even though it has been a major story in at least a 48 hr cycle. Well now he knows and he can easily direct his agencies to give the status to anyone in State or the special forces who wants to testify . Also ,the adm should immediately produce the names of the 30+ people who were rescued .
One of the people who wants to testify (a special ops soldier who has had to use a voice modulator to talk to the press as if he's Reva Khalidi hiding from the Iranian regime) ,claims that they know who the leaders of the attack are ,and where they are located... and that the adm refuses to pull the trigger on either capture or kill. This despite the Emperor's constant prattle that he will not rest until the attackers are 'brought to justice '.

And of course I still want it officially disclosed what the mission in Benghazi entailed . The emperor still dances around the fact that the US has been working behind the scenes arming the opposition in Syria.

All I know is the media wet all over themselves over some Bush attorneys getting fired and this doesn't even rouse their curiosity.

Tom you really want another f@up like the Bin Laden extraction, no Libya is a soveriegn nation, leave them alone, either it will bite them or they will deal with it

You have to face it every time you get involved the nuckle draggers make a mess

Hello again:

Well, we're going to get some NEWS this week. Maybe they'll say that Obama and Hillary were THERE, and ordered the bad guys to rape our ambassador.

excon

Or maybe we'll find out that Evita's State Dept hired an AQ affiliate called the' February 17th Martyrs Brigade' ,to provide security at the mission in Benghazi. That it should've been known who they were hiring as the group posted the AQ black flag on its Facebook page.

Maybe we'll find out that same group actually warned the State Dept before Ambassador Stevens trip to Benghazi that they would NOT protect him. Maybe we will find out that that warning was relayed to the regional security officer (RSO).
So what did the AQ affiliated guards do when the attack started ? They threw down their weapons and ran away after telling the attackers where to find the 'safehouse'.

Then maybe if they probe deep enough they will begin to ask :why wasn't there American security at the "special mission" ? No it wasn't sequester... no it wasn't even budget cuts. It was because of the nature of the activities that were operating out of the mission and the CIA annex. They couldn't have US security at the villa because it would have let the cat out of the bag.

Or maybe Stevens ignored warnings and maybe orders and went to Benghazi anyway.

Sounds just as believable as any story you guys have speculated on.

Plausible... we won't know until the incident is properly investigated... no ? Here is one bottom line to me (and this is just one of the many issues that need to be resolved regarding this case ) . Sovereign US territory was attacked and the man who represents the President of the United States assassinated . The adm handed the ball to the Justice Dept as if it was some kind of criminal matter. Meanwhile it has now been confirmed that the government at very least had photos of the attackers ;and chose to not show them to the public until some whistle blowers came out and told the public that not only did they KNOW the identity of the attackers... but they knew where to get them. So then why has the President not authorized a Bin Laden style attack on them ? Or a drone strike ? Even now the FBI is going through the charade of asking help in identifying them.

There must be more to it than just waltzing in and taking out the enemy... at present.

plausible ...we won't know until the incident is properly investigated ...no ? Here is one bottom line to me (and this is just one of the many issues that need to be resolved regarding this case ) . Sovereign US territory was attacked and the man who represents the President of the United States assassinated . The adm handed the ball to the Justice Dept as if it was some kind of criminal matter. Meanwhile it has now been confirmed that the government at very least had photos of the attackers ;and chose to not show them to the public until some whistle blowers came out and told the public that not only did they KNOW the identity of the attackers .....but they knew where to get them. So then why has the President not authorized a Bin Laden style attack on them ? or a drone strike ? Even now the FBI is going through the charade of asking help in identifying them.

Tom you have been playing with the facts, that wasn't soveriegn US territory how ever much you might think it was so it wasn't a treaty violation and yes it is a criminal matter but difficult to pursue at distance. I think you might find there will be a strike when and if they get a firm location and a photo isn't identification so park all these strawmen in the garage. Reality Check!

playing with the facts, that wasn't soveriegn US territory

See article 22

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf

1.The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter
Them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.

See article 22

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf
.

That treaty applies to permanent diplomatic missions

More answers needed. I have called it a special mission .Others have called it a consulate. Let's leave that unresolved . An attack on an Ambassador is an act of war... Not a matter of a criminal investigation.

We already have a war on terrorist.

more answers needed. I have called it a special mission .Others have called it a consulate. Let's leave that unresolved . An attack on an Ambassador is an act of war ..... Not a matter of a criminal investigation.

Tom I have no doubt this act of aggression was part of the War on Terror. If you could identify a state that carried out the attack then you could respond in kind, but failing that, the investigation will require the procedures of a criminal investigation just like any other act of murder, and with the cooperation of various state agencies in Libya to enable the evidence to be gathered and assessed.

I know you would want the matter prosecuted, we all do, because we can't have this sort of thing going on anywhere

If you could identify a state that carried out the attack then you could respond in kind, but failing that, the investigation will require the procedures of a criminal investigation just like any other act of murder, and with the cooperation of various state agencies in Libya to enable the evidence to be gathered and assessed.

Libya was a failed state under Q~Daffy. There is no government we can go to for support there now. Nope you are wrong. We did a military strike on Bin Laden in the same neighborhood as the Paki military HQ. These were not "criminals"... they are jihadists waging war against us and we should respond in kind. We tried the criminal investigation method throughout the 1990s as our enemy became ever more emboldened at out weak response. Now we are falling back to the same failed method.
8 months after the attack the FBI is now suddenly interested in getting an id on the attackers... REALLY??

Libya was a failed state under Q~Daffy. There is no government we can go to for support there now. Nope you are wrong. We did a military strike on Bin Laden in the same neighborhood as the Paki military HQ. These were not "criminals" ....they are jihadists waging war against us and we should respond in kind. We tried the criminal investigation method throughout the 1990s as our enemy became ever more emboldened at out weak response. Now we are falling back to the same failed method.
8 months after the attack the FBI is now suddenly interested in getting an id on the attackers .....REALLY ????

Tom you are not telling us anything new either you invade Libya or Pakistan or your recognise your reach isn't as long as you would like. Your laws end just off your shores and no one has to respect them beyond that boundary. Investigation takes time and resources and you are not in control however much that hurts that is a fact, whether it was Bin Laden or Benghazi you are not in control, you never were. That is the islamic world and you are tolerated, not respected you need to understand this

Ok let's not call it respect . Call it fear. They need to know that assassinating an American Ambassador comes with a heavy price. They "respect " the "strong horse" .
The Strong Horse: Power, Politics, and the Clash of Arab Civilizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strong_Horse:_Power,_Politics,_and_the_Clash_o f_Arab_Civilizations)

Ok let's not call it respect . Call it fear. They need to know that assassinating an American Ambassador comes with a heavy price. They "respect " the "strong horse" .
The Strong Horse: Power, Politics, and the Clash of Arab Civilizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strong_Horse:_Power,_Politics,_and_the_Clash_o f_Arab_Civilizations)


The problem is the, "strong horse" doesn't actually exist. It is a ideological construct for the convenience of domestic and foreign policy.

Academia.edu - Share research (http://www.academia.edu/592272/The_Ghost_in_the_Global_War_on_Terror_)

It happens to be a premise that has been followed since the days of Ibn Khaldun ,and probably before Mohammed in the Middle East.

It happens to be a premise that has been followed since the days of Ibn Khaldun ,and probably before Mohammed in the Middle East.

That may well be the case. But how you actually translate that into domestic and foreign policy is a world apart.

Read the link I provided

Hello again,

Watching Issa on FOX breaking news on Benghazi. We were attacked by terrorists..

Duh!

excon

Owebama for weeks was trying to convince everyone it was all about some damn movie nobody ever watched... in fact they arrested some poor man for making it for no reason at all... other than admit the fact... they screwed up. And Hillary Clinton was drunk and never even answered the phone when that 3am call came.

That may well be the case. But how you actually translate that into domestic and foreign policy is a world apart.

Read the link I provided

OK ,I'll give it a go although I know that you are aware that Post-structuralism is just another ism . I see it as a sort of academic circle jerk created by 1960s mushroom eaters trying to deconstruct standard logic and replace it with relativist mush. It's sort of a theory looking for a theory ;simular to Intelligent Design... which serves a useful purpose in poking holes in Evolutionary Theory ;but does not propose an alternate scientific explanation.

Hello again,

Watching Issa on FOX breaking news on Benghazi. We were attacked by terrorists..

Duh!

excon

That's what we said 8 months ago while Obama was putting his shills out there saying it was spontaneous outrage at a video.

Duh.

That may well be the case. But how you actually translate that into domestic and foreign policy is a world apart.

Read the link I provided

Interesting ;a 20 page dissection of a fallacy of terminology . I guess a graduate student at Georgia State has too much time on his hand.
In a world that strives for political correctness ,terms like "War on Terrorism" are acceptable alternatives to actually naming an enemy . He is correct that Terrorism is a tactic and not an enemy .Nor does calling an organization a 'terrorist organization ' explain their goals (unless of course they are nihilists with no purpose except that they have a pathology to blowing things up).

But everyone knows that there is a real enemy out there . Some call it radical Islam . I prefer to call it jihadistan . Sept.11,2001 was a terrorist attacks on our nation by Islamist Jihadis . Sept.11,2012 was a terrorist attacks on our nation by Islamist Jihadis. It makes no difference to me if it was on our shores ;or an attack on foreign shores . The enemy is the same.

Nick J. Sciullo calls it a battle against abstraction. I say that we have real identifiable enemies in this fight . Perhaps he'd better spend his time learning about the difference between the Westphalian state and the Islamic concept of the Califate . In fact our leaders fall into the same trap. Our enemy does not recognize national borders . He spends 20 pages knocking down an abstract . In 3 paragraphs I call out the flaw in his thesis. Truth be told ,he knows who the real enemy is. But as a graduate student ,he has to write something . When he or someone he cares about gets attacked by that abstract maybe he'll rethink his position.

The only flaw in your thinking Tom is that the enemy has a name but no zip code to drop a bomb on. Jihadist are so widespread that conventional warfare in so many countries that you cannot just invade one and destroy it, or even react with swiftness to a location. You do have to recognize that not only we as a country are targets, but many Islamic governments are also through out the Arab world and beyond.

To deny those many conflicts is to lose sight when trying to applying your type of single target retaliation. Benghazi was a terrible event, but there were bigger more devastating targets in sight that required resources besides a small isolated "mission" at the same time. We just have to wait for the full picture to be made clearer.

Unfortunately confusion and misdirection are the weapons that terrorist use. But our reactions cannot be to be effective.

What bigger more devastating target was more urgent than that terrorist attack?

The only flaw in your thinking Tom is that the enemy has a name but no zip code to drop a bomb on. If the report of the whistleblower is true then we do know where and who. We cannot let an attack like this go unanswered.

Benghazi was a terrible event, but there were bigger more devastating targets in sight that required resources besides a small isolated "mission" at the same time. We just have to wait for the full picture to be made clearer.

You still don't get the significance of an Ambassador being assassinated ;and if what I think is true about the purpose of the mission ,it has far ranging implications.

Dems don't give a crap about any of it, they have one agenda in this and that's to protect Hillary at all cost (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/06/Democrats-Agenda-for-Benghazi-Hearing-Protect-Hillary-at-All-Costs). Who gives a rip about a dead ambassador when they have more elections to win?

Ok let's not call it respect . Call it fear. They need to know that assassinating an American Ambassador comes with a heavy price. They "respect " the "strong horse" .
The Strong Horse: Power, Politics, and the Clash of Arab Civilizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strong_Horse:_Power,_Politics,_and_the_Clash_o f_Arab_Civilizations)

And who has paid that price? No one, and do you think you are the strong horse, I think you are more like the old grey nag. You may as well chase a puff of wind as chase those who did the deed or attempt to find those who ordered it

You saw how Ronald Regan Got Blohard Kadaffi to shut up and toe the line back in the day, And you saw how quick the Towelheads in Iran handed over the hostages when he got elected.. . Owebama could never do that because he defines the term Wishy-washy. Taking it away from Jimmy Carter.

So BO is on the nose in the strong horse stakes but everything isn't about strong arm or horse tactics

Reagan ran when 300 marine were killed and wounded by terrorist in Lebanon and paid the ransom for the hostages in Iran. And you guys are freakin' over Benghazi? How quickly you forget.

They are freaking out because they have no one to blame so they want to blame Evita, just in case she emerges as a candidate. This thing was SNAFU no doubt about that and there isn't someone you can drop a cruise missile on.

This is what you get when you don't follow the normal processes and are ering around in the backblocks

ok ,I'll give it a go although I know that you are aware that Post-structuralism is just another ism . I see it as a sort of academic circle jerk created by 1960s mushroom eaters trying to deconstruct standard logic and replace it with relativist mush. It's sorta a theory looking for a theory ;simular to Intelligent Design ...which serves a useful purpose in poking holes in Evolutionary Theory ;but does not propose an alternate scientific explanation.

Obviously you don't think much post-structuralism in terms of its origins.

Firstly. The origins of a theory have nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the theory itself. So I think we can dispense with that style of criticism.

Secondly. I am not sure what you call, "standard logic." Perhaps you can provide an explanation.

Thirdly. Post-structuralism is very much concerned with providing alternative explanations when it comes to the social sciences.

Nick J. Sciullo calls it a battle against abstraction. I say that we have real identifiable enemies in this fight . Perhaps he'd better spend his time learning about the difference between the Westphalian state and the Islamic concept of the Califate . In fact our leaders fall into the same trap. Our enemy does not recognize national borders . He spends 20 pages knocking down an abstract . In 3 paragraphs I call out the flaw in his thesis. Truth be told ,he knows who the real enemy is. But as a graduate student ,he has to write something . When he or someone he cares about gets attacked by that abstract maybe he'll rethink his position.


Tom, I can live with anyone( such as yourself) who deals in abstractions. However, we should draw the line when we start to believe these concepts actually have a particular existence of their own. That is to say in the same way as particular things have an actual existence.

This idea is fundamentally flawed because it is a category error. I believe Gilbert Ryle was mentioned in the article as the person who came up with that particular insight.

Category errors make for bad political policy. The enemy can also gradually become your own social, legal and political institutions.

As far as I recall Reagan didn't send his minions out to lie and protect his a$$ to get reelected. He also challenged Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin wall, precipitated the collapse of the Eastern Bloc and won the cold war. Obama can't even keep his feet out of his mouth (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/obamas-vow-on-chemical-weapons-puts-him-in-tough-spot.html?hp&_r=1&).

Let's see the score sheet on war

WWII tick
Korean War??
Vietnam
Cold War tick
War on poverty
War on terror
War on drugs
War in Iraq tick

Well three out of eight ain't bad

As far as I recall Reagan didn't send his minions out to lie and protect his a$$ to get reelected. He also challenged Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin wall, precipitated the collapse of the Eastern Bloc and won the cold war. Obama can't even keep his feet out of his mouth (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/obamas-vow-on-chemical-weapons-puts-him-in-tough-spot.html?hp&_r=1&).

You're comparing election campaigns to the Iranian hostages, and 300 dead and wounded American service men?

DUDE??

As I recall ,Reagan did not blame the bombing on an anti-Mohammed video... or try to cover up the circumstances of the bombing to the American people.

A little over a year ago hoping to build on the Camp David accords, which had led to peace between Israel and Egypt, I proposed a peace plan for the Middle East to end the wars between the Arab States and Israel- It was based on U.N. resolutions 242 and 338 and called for a fair and just solution to the Palestinian problem, as well as a fair and just settlement of issues between the Arab States and Israel.

Before the necessary negotiations could begin, it was essential to get all foreign forces out of Lebanon and to end the fighting there. So, why are we there? Well, the answer is straightforward: to help bring peace to Lebanon and stability to the vital Middle East. To that end, the multinational force was created to help stabilize the situation in Lebanon until a government could be established and a Lebanese army mobilized to restore Lebanese sovereignty over its own soil as the foreign forces withdrew. Israel agreed to withdraw as did Syria, but Syria then reneged on its promise. Over 10,000 Palestinians who had been bringing ruin down on Beirut, however, did leave the country.

Lebanon has formed a government under the leadership of President Gemayal, and that government, with our assistance and training, has set up its own army. In only a year's time, that army has been rebuilt. It's a good army, composed of Lebanese of all factions.

A few weeks ago, the Israeli army pulled back to the Awali River in southern Lebanon. Despite fierce resistance by Syrian-backed forces, the Lebanese army was able to hold the line and maintain the defensive perimeter around Beirut.

In the year that our Marines have been there, Lebanon has made important steps toward stability and order. The physical presence of the Marines lends support to both the Lebanese Government and its army. It allows the hard work of diplomacy to go forward. Indeed, without the peacekeepers from the U.S. France, Italy, and Britain, the efforts to find a peaceful solution in Lebanon would collapse.

As to that narrower question - what exactly is the operational mission of the Marines- the answer is, to secure a piece of Beirut, to keep order in their sector, and to prevent the area from becoming a battlefield. Our Marines are not just sitting in an airport. Part of their task is to guard that airport. Because of their presence, the airport has remained operational. In addition, they patrol the surrounding area. This is their part - a limited, but essential part - in the larger effort that I've described.

If our Marines must be there, I'm asked, why can't we make them safer? Who committed this latest atrocity against them and why?

Well, we'll do everything we can to ensure that our men are as safe as possible. We ordered the battleship New Jersey to join our naval forces offshore. Without even firing them, the threat of its 16-inch guns silenced those who once fired down on our Marines from the hills, and they're a good part of the reason we suddenly had a cease fire. We're doing our best to make our forces less vulnerable to those who want to snipe at them or send in future suicide missions.

Beirut Memorial On Line - History | Reagan's Speech (http://www.beirut-memorial.org/history/reagan.html)
Yes Beirut was bad and eventually we bugged out . But Reagan did not try to cover it up or lie about the circumstances. The American people knew why we were there .

Nice speech by Reagan, but...

1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing#Response)


The U.S. Marines were moved offshore where they could not be targeted. On February 7, 1984, President Reagan ordered the marines to begin withdrawing from Lebanon. Their withdrawal was completed on February 26, four months after the barracks bombing; the rest of the multinational force was withdrawn by April 1984.

This was after the Iran Contra affair. I guess you are trying to equate Benghazi as the president's Lebanon/Iran/Watergate/Lewinski scandal. Or trying to get your early digs into Hillary's presidential hopes.

We will see how explosive the House hearings are tomorrow.

Benghazi outrage muted at Libya nominee's hearing - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/politics/libya-ambassador-hearing)

Benghazi Will Totally Be 'The Next Watergate' Unless It Isn't (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/07/benghazi-watergate_n_3230890.html)

Iran Contra didn't begin until the summer of 1985

Can't see why anyone would have an issue with Deborah Jones nomination. She is well qualified for the posting .

Amb. Jones is the former U.S. ambassador to Kuwait (2008-2011). She is a career member of the Senior Foreign Service, having been with the Department of State since 1982. Prior to her assignment as Ambassador, she served as Principal Officer at the U.S. Consulate General in Istanbul, Turkey. Her previous overseas assignments include: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates; Addis Ababa, Ethiopia; Baghdad, Iraq; Buenos Aires, Argentina; and Damascus, Syria. Her service in Washington, D.C. includes two years as country director of the Office of Arabian Peninsula and Iran Affairs in addition to assignments as staff assistant to Assistant Secretary for Near East and South Asia Affairs Richard Murphy, acting public affairs adviser to Assistant Secretary for Near East Affairs, desk officer for Jordan, and duty in the Department's Operations Center. Ms. Jones has also served on the Board of Examiners for the Foreign Service.

Yes the press will do it's best to sugar coat and run cover for the Obots. This time they can't white wash it.

Hello again, tom:


This time they can't white wash it.Blockbuster testimony today.. They're going to reveal that we were attacked... OMG! Who knew?

Excon

Now ex you know bad news travels slow in the corridors of power