Ex... that attack lasted for hours... we could have and it turns out we did have troops on the group in Libya long before it was over... they were ordered to stand down and several high ranking officers were relieved of their commands as a result of going that far...

Now when there is smoke there is fire... so if there was noting to hide... why the massive efforts to threaten and intimidate people that were in the know.

If there really was nothing it could have easily been put to rest VERY early on.

You've seen kids that did something got in trouble and tried their best to hide it from their parents... and of course once the lies start piling up... the charade soon collapses... sometimes it takes longer... but the truth always comes out in the end.

Ex wants to know, hell we all want to know so we can move on. We know it was an Evita stuffup but she is no longer around to answer. Thing is; if they lied about Libya then they are lying about Syria

Ex wants to know, hell we all want to know so we can move on. We know it was an Evita stuffup but she is no longer around to answer. Thing is; if they lied about Lybia then they are lying about Syria

Indeed... Whether one agrees about Iraq or not, one of the big differences is that Iraq was debated for months... and a bipartisan war resolution was passed by Congress authorizing it. There was also bipartisan support for Afghanistan and authorization to use force to wage war against AQ ;and to take the steps to secure the country against their terror war against us.

There is very little about the changes in American foreign policy that has been debated or put to a congressional vote since the emperor began his reign . Where was the debate to materially support the ouster of Mubarack ,the support of the Arab spring in the Maghreb ;the enforcement of a 'no fly zone ' in Libya which led to our active military assistance in the ouster of QDaffy ? Where is there now any authorization for the material support of jihadists in Syria ? Seems like everything he does is surreptitious and done through executive action of dubious and questionable constitutional authority. Then when his policies are questioned ,he calls them out as "phony" scandals ,and actively covers up and obstructs any attempt at discovery .

What part of Commander in Chief do you not understand? Problem is; this power has been given to the wrong person

what part of Commander in Chief do you not understand? Problem is; this power has been given to the wrong person

Only congress has the authority to declare war. Bush went through the proper channels with bipartisan consent as tom noted and was vilified relentlessly by these same liberals / progressives that have no problem with all of Zero's unilateral escapades. Nothing to see here, move along... Oh look something shiny!

What is shiny the seat of his pants?

Proper channels? He lied, 4000 died, and there was nothing proper about it. Obama brings the troops home and he is vilified by the right. Trying to revise history won't help you guys.

Proper channels?? He lied, 4000 died, and there was nothing proper about it. Obama brings the troops home and he is vilified by the right. Trying to revise history won't help you guys.

Even your lefty champions were out banging the war drums, like John "I was for it before I was against it" Kerry. That's the revisionist history, you pretend your side has clean hands. I guess your oh so intelligent pols were outsmarted by the man you refer to as "the dufus", eh?

Hello again, Steve:

Even your lefty champions were out banging the war drums, like John "I was for it before I was against it" Kerry. It's true.. He was able to DUPE a lot of Democrats too. So? He didn't dupe ME.

By the way, I'm not going to call him dufus anymore.. He's looking much less dufuslike compared to present day right wingers.

Excon

At least you admit Democrats aren't too sharp.

Proper channels?? He lied, 4000 died, and there was nothing proper about it. Obama brings the troops home and he is vilified by the right. Trying to revise history won't help you guys.

Really... he lied, care to prove that? Considering there was ample proof in the Security briefings... that the president doesn't write... for it to be a lie... YOU have to prove the security briefings said otherwise.

Not to mention the 200+ metric tons of stuff that you claim didn't exist that went to Canada for reprocessing...

But then... why let the fact get in the way of the propaganda.

Links please since you have the facts. Don't forget Cheney and his lies with your facts.

Links please since you have the facts. Don't forget Cheney and his lies with your facts.

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/)

As for the Bush lied bs.. that has been debunked so many times I won't bother providing all the links . It is so woven into your fictional narrative that you won't believe it anyway. Besides that's Iraq ;it's over because your side quit... move on .

It's naturally occurring yellowcake ("yellowcake uranium is a commonly traded commodity used for nuclear power generation. It is not enriched and cannot be used without first going through a complicated enrichment process"). It isn't weapons of mass destruction.

Didn't say it was.. just providing a link to Smoothy's claim. It does show that Saddam retained the core of his WMD program... another indisputable fact that was verified by much more than just this yellow cake . The claim against Saddam was not that he had stock piles of new weapons. The claim was that he was violating UN resolutions related to the full cooperation with the IAEA in accounting for his stock piles . The ball was always in his court . Had he cooperated with the UN terms then the war would not have happened.

didn't say it was ..just providing a link to Smoothy's claim. It does show that Saddam retained the core of his WMD program ...another indisputable fact that was verified by much more than just this yellow cake . The claim against Saddam was not that he had stock piles of new weapons. The claim was that he was violating UN resolutions related to the full cooperation with the IAEA in accounting for his stock piles . The ball was always in his court . Had he cooperated with the UN terms then the war would not have happened.

Another indisputable fact the left refuses to acknowledge. But hey at least they proved the point, they're still all too eager to cling to the phony "Bush lied" narrative while excusing the proven lies on Benghazi and stonewalling over IRS abuses that were revealed by admission of the abuse. Talk about living in denial.

Hey let's get beyond this. Bush lied. There were no WMD in Iraq. We know there were undisirables in Iraq but no WMD. Why. Because of fear, nothing more. Bengahazi, well here we have something different, CIA maybe, who knows the spooks have been busy again.I can't deny that, it is obvious

According to the attorney for a Benghazi whistleblower, 400 U.S. missiles were stolen that night (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/08/12/Attorney-For-Benghazi-Whistleblower-400-U-S-Missiles-Stolen-In-Benghazi-Annex-Involved). What could go wrong?


On August 12, Joe DiGenova, attorney for one of the Benghazi whistleblowers, told Washington D.C.'s WMAL that one of the reasons people have remained tight-lipped about Benghazi is because 400 U.S. missiles were "diverted to Libya" and ended up being stolen and falling into "the hands of some very ugly people."

DiGenova represents Benghazi whistleblower Mark Thompson. He told WMAL that he "does not know whether [the missiles] were at the annex, but it is clear the annex was somehow involved in the distribution of those missiles."

He claimed his information "comes from a former intelligence official who stayed in constant contact with people in the special ops and intelligence community." He said the biggest concern right now is finding those missiles before they can be put to use. "They are worried, specifically according to these sources, about an attempt to shoot down an airliner," he claimed.

I can't imagine what "very ugly people" might want some SAMS, perhaps those same "very ugly people" filling the void in Syria (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57598252/syria-power-vacuum-could-pave-way-for-al-qaeda-leadership/)?


Senior U.S. intelligence officials are concerned about the growing presence of al Qaeda terrorists in civil war-torn Syria. In a statement released over the weekend, the State Department said the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has moved himself and the group's operations to Syria. A State Department spokesperson also noted that the deadly suicide attacks and car bombings carried out in Iraq in recent days can be attributed to AQI.

CIA Deputy Director Michael Morrell warned of the risk of the collapse of the Syrian government -- which possesses a considerable stockpile of chemical and advanced weapons -- namely, a power vacuum which would leave room for al Qaeda to take hold and take advantage of their weapons cache and technical capabilities.

The al Qaeda movement is very much "based on ideology and has very little to do with the kind of organization" that the U.S. is accustomed to, according to CBS News chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan, who cited Syria's "massive stockpile of chemical weapons" and depth of knowledge about employing those weapons as a unique threat compared to other, previous al Qaeda training havens.

"The people who know the most about chemical weapons in the United States say that what is scary about Syria is not just the presence of chemical stockpiles ...it's the the technical knowledge and training and know-how and the delivery system required to deliver those weapons," Logan said Tuesday on "CBS This Morning."

"Nobody knows yet who's going to win the peace in Syria," she added, "It might very well be al Qaeda."

Anyone else longing for the day when al Qaeda was "decimated" and "on the run?"

Mission accomplished!

So this is a GOOD whistleblower then?

So this is a GOOD whistleblower then?

Yes.

He isn't a whistle blower, he stole and ran to the competition and justified it as being for YOUR own good.

I'll give even money that some of these weapons ends up in the West Bank and Gaza.

He isn't a whistle blower, he stole and ran to the competition and justified it as being for YOUR own good.

Um, we're talking about Mark Thompson (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/050613-655039-benghazi-whistleblowers-cite-hillary-clinton-dereliction-of-duty.htm), not Snowden.

hey let's get beyond this. Bush lied. There were no WMD in Iraq. We know there were undisirables in Iraq but no WMD. Why. because of fear, nothing more. Bengahazi, well here we have something different, CIA maybe, who knows the spooks have been busy again.I can't deny that, itis obvious

Um... they have satellite videos of trucks hauling stuff from site that did have them across the border to Syria...

Never mind the fact Saddam killed a huge number of Kurds with poison gas... which is a WMD... which is a tad worse then a case of farts after eating at Taco Bell.

And Saddam himself amitted he had them... you can't defend a mas murderer when he keeps standing up proclaiming he did it...

Anyone else longing for the day when al Qaeda was "decimated" and "on the run?"
Eli Lake reported last week that on the contrary ;AQ has a structured hierarchy . His report claims that AQ leader Zawahiri and others had a 'virtual board meeting ' via conference call. During the meeting, the leader of the Yemini affiliate was promoted to general manager putting a lie to the claim that AQ is a decentralized loose knit group of independent jihadist groups (many of which we secretely armed in an attempt to oust Assad in Syria) .The promotion effectively gave the leader of al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen operational control of al Qaeda’s many affiliates throughout the Muslim world. It was in fact this meeting that triggered the US response of shutting down it's embassies in many parts of the world.
Al Qaeda Conference Call Intercepted by U.S. Officials Sparked Alerts - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/07/al-qaeda-conference-call-intercepted-by-u-s-officials-sparked-alerts.html)

Eli Lake reported last week that on the contrary ;AQ has a structured heirarchy . His report claims that AQ leader Zawahiri and others had a 'virtual board meeting ' via conference call. During the meeting, the leader of the Yemini affiliate was promoted to general manager putting a lie to the claim that AQ is a decentralized loose knit group of independent jihadist groups (many of which we secretely armed in an attempt to oust Assad in Syria) .The promotion effectively gave the leader of al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen operational control of al Qaeda’s many affiliates throughout the Muslim world. It was in fact this meeting that triggered the US response of shutting down it's embassies in many parts of the world.
Al Qaeda Conference Call Intercepted by U.S. Officials Sparked Alerts - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/07/al-qaeda-conference-call-intercepted-by-u-s-officials-sparked-alerts.html)

Just last week the State Department said the "Al Qaeda core has been weakened, decimated."

Still flying that "mission accomplished" banner prematurely.

They are like drug dealers, get one another takes its place.

And like rats... if you let them breed you be waist deep in them eventually.

And like rats...if you let them breed you be waist deep in them eventually.

Well they have been trying to stop them breeding but it's like trying to stop Muslims breeding

During the House Oversight and Government Reform hearing about Benghazi the majority of class act Dems on the Committee left the room and refused to listen to the testimony of Patricia Smith, mother of Sean Smith ,and Charles Woods ,the father of Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods... both killed in the attack.

well thay have been trying to stop them breeding but it's like trying to stop Muslims breeding

That's because there is a shortage of sheep and goats in the Middle east... they are desperate so they bang their women.


That and the need to breed more bomb porters.

Those silly Democrats, they love to use children and sick people as props for their agenda push but when it comes time to listen to inconvenient victims' families looking for answers instead of broken promises and obstruction, they aren't interested (https://twitter.com/DarrellIssa/status/380774106167136256/photo/1).

"What difference does it make" seems to be the entire Democratic Party's official position on Benghazi.

Hello again, Steve:

they aren't interested. Nahhhh. Issa couldn't tell the truth (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/20/these-pictures-prove-fox-is-lying-democrats-did/196000)if he tried.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
Nahhhh. Issa couldn't tell the truth (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/20/these-pictures-prove-fox-is-lying-democrats-did/196000)if he tried.

excon

They walked on families who were promised an explanation, not Issa.

"What difference does it make" seems to be the entire Democratic Party's official position on Benghazi.

Yes it echo's the position of their former Secretary of State but the point is it makes no difference, the events have faded into history and there are bigger fish to fry

Valerie Plame was a non issue they beat to death... 4 people including an Ambassador died in Benghazi... and they have been telling lies since the first hours.

Valerie Plame was a non issue they beat to death.....4 people including an Ambassador died in Benghazi.....and they have been telling lies since the first hours.

Yes and because of political motivation they will continue to tell lies. Disgusting as it maybe, it has been politised and that is what can be expected

It's begun, the media is increasingly engaged in "Hillary the whitewash (http://nymag.com/news/features/hillary-clinton-2013-9/)," or is it just more liberal aversion to reality? Either way...


At State, she was the head of a smoothly running 70,000-person institution, and fully her own woman, whose marriage to a former president was, when it was mentioned, purely an asset. And now that she’s left State, Clintonworld is being refashioned along new lines, rationalized and harmonized.

Exactly what did she accomplish between the "reset" button and "“What difference at this point does it make" besides failing to secure her Benghazi project leading to the deaths of four Americans including an ambassador? "Smoothly running?"

The author did mention Benghazi, on page 4, and portrays her "what difference" remark as some kind of courageous response to "a heated Republican attack".

Sorry, there's nothing courageous about sending someone else out with deliberately misleading talking points when it should be you and then indignantly dodging the question.

You never liked her any way, so what difference does it make now?

You never liked her any way, so what difference does it make now?

I'd prefer not to have another presidential election based on some mythical superhero riding in to save us from all of mankind's ills, propped up by a glowing media narrative that covers for her every blemish while being attack dogs for the Democratic Party. That's what difference it makes, I want a fair and honest debate.

I try Speech, but honestly, when you throw rocks and call names, so do I. You don't want an honest debate, you want a fight.

You come to the right place. I would rather debate. :D

I try Speech, but honestly, when you throw rocks and call names, so do I. You don't want an honest debate, you want a fight.

You come to the right place. I would rather debate. :D

Oh the irony around here just cracks me up, lol.

It's begun, the media is increasingly engaged in "Hillary the whitewash (http://nymag.com/news/features/hillary-clinton-2013-9/)," or is it just more liberal aversion to reality? Either way...



Exactly what did she accomplish between the "reset" button and "“What difference at this point does it make" besides failing to secure her Benghazi project leading to the deaths of four Americans including an ambassador? "Smoothly running?"

The author did mention Benghazi, on page 4, and portrays her "what difference" remark as some kind of courageous response to "a heated Republican attack".

Sorry, there's nothing courageous about sending someone else out with deliberately misleading talking points when it should be you and then indignantly dodging the question.

Evita's “weightlessness,” “midair, launched from the State Department . Lol the author spelled 'witlessness' wrong. I bet if they post this on Facebook some of that $630,000 investments in "likes" will be returned .

lol the author spelled 'witlessness' wrong.

Good one.

Nice, a Dem on the oversight committee leaked Darrell Issa's secret plans for a trip to Libya (http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/26/issa-feared-targeted-by-terrorists-after-democrats-revealed-secret-libya-trip/). Was he hoping Issa might meet the same fate as our Ambassador or what?

You see how quickly the FBI was on the scene in Nairobi ?

Still playing the world policeman?

Americans were victims ,and evidently there were American attackers too . We have a friendly relationship with Kenya . They don't oppose our assistance .

No many countries welcome international assistence to find criminals and no doubrt the FBI wants to trace the links back home, if only to find the recuiters, but I wonder was it requested...

Kenya has been an ally in the war against AQ jihadistan since the twin embassy bombings.

I'll ask it again, at what point does an ally surrender soveriegnity?

You think the FBI investigating an incident where Americans were involved as violating national sovereignty ? I call it cooperation .

If they are there to ascertain facts that they might use in a US prosecution OK

Perhaps that is all they are there for. But why would you have an issue with them being there otherwise ? Do you have an issue with international cooperation in law enforcement ? Perhaps the FBI brings expertise and technology there that Kenya lacks.
Strike that... I know what your beef is... anti-American bias.

Yep I just think you should try not spreading that technology so liberally, then less people get spyed on

He's deployed more guards to bar our World War II heroes from their memorial than he sent to Benghazi when our consulate was under attack. (Sarah Palin)

He's deployed more guards to bar our World War II heroes from their memorial than he sent to Benghazi when our consulate was under attack. (Sarah Palin)

It's OK Tom you can let all that rage out. I expect Sarah doesn't know where Benghazi is or that it is in a foriegn country, I notice she has difficulty finding her way home to Alaska

Clearly the emperor didn't

Clearly the emperor didn't

What do you expect from a man who has visited all fifty eight states?

It's come to this... 13 months later Chris Matthews wants answers on Benghazi.

Chris Matthews On Benghazi: "Where Were The People That Could Have Come? I'm Going To Ask That Question Until I Get An Answer" | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/28/chris_matthews_on_benghazi_where_were_the_people_t hat_could_have_come_im_going_to_ask_that_question_ until_i_get_an_answer.html)

It's come to this... 13 months later Chris Matthews wants answers on Benghazi.

Chris Matthews On Benghazi: "Where Were The People That Could Have Come? I'm Going To Ask That Question Until I Get An Answer" | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/28/chris_matthews_on_benghazi_where_were_the_people_t hat_could_have_come_im_going_to_ask_that_question_ until_i_get_an_answer.html)

I geuss the days of stiffies around The Messiah are over for him?

First 60 Minutes woke up this weekend and exposed the lies told by the Obots in the early days of this scandal . Now Chris Matthews doesn't feel that tingly feeling anymore (what took him so long) . Now the official propaganda machine of the regime (NBC ) exposed the emperor's lies about Obamacare... and he just granted an extension which he vowed to do during the time he closed down the government . Emperor not having a good week.

Bob: "Hey Jim, did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?,

Jim: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean SEAL Team 6?"

Bob: "No, the other one."Jim: "Obama saying the avg family would save $2,500 on their premiums?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Forcing businesses to violate their religious beliefs by paying for drugs that abort the unborn?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Violating the rights and sanctity of our Churches?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Spending $634 million on a website that doesn't work?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Obama calling for an increase in our debt when he lambasted Bush for the very same thing?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Obama having NSA spy on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Saddling our kids with $17 trillion in debt of which they can
never get out of and will not have as good a life as we have?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Bailing out Detroit after decades of corrupt Democratic management?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean voter fraud?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Intentionally trying to hurt Americans during the sequester?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Blocking veterans who secured our freedoms from their monuments
but giving the green light for Illegals to use Monument Mall?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Denying school kids the ability to tour the White House but still spending lavishly on his parties?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean Obama saying we can keep our insurance and doctors if we wanted to?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The NSA monitoring foreign diplomats?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the use of drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"

Bob: "No the other one:.

Jim: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The DOJ spying on the press?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean Obama spending $3.7 Trillion on Welfare Over Last 5 Years"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Millions of Americans losing their health care coverage?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Forcing Americans to include coverage in their insurance policies of items they do not want?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons, and falsely blaming the sequester?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Denying Arizona the right to protect its borders?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Providing weapons to Syrian rebels many of whom apparently are Al Queda"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a

budget no later than the first Monday in February?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The president's unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate's advise-and-consent role?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The President using nearly $1 trillion dollars of stimulus money to fund his cronies?"

Bob: "No, the other one"

Jim: "You mean Fast & Furious?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim:

"I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million

low-information voters who don't pay taxes and get free stuff from

taxpayers and stuck us again with the most pandering, corrupt

administration in American history?"

Bob: "THAT'S THE ONE!"

Sore loser

The Slimes and David Kirkpatrick have begun their push to promote Evita's run for the White House by rewriting the history of the Benghazi attack . Basically they support all of Evita's lies about the attack being a spontaneous demonstration against a YouTube video ;and that there is no evidence of AQ involvement .
A Deadly Mix in Benghazi - The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/?hp#/?chapt=0)

Of course no evidence is presented in the article that leads one to believe that the video had anything to do with the attack. But it's presented as the truth anyway.
If the attack had anything to do with the video ,it is news to Libyan President Mohammed Magarief .
Libyan President: Benghazi Attack Was Pre-Planned | Washington Free Beacon (http://freebeacon.com/libyan-president-benghazi-attack-was-pre-planned/)
And the news that there was no AQ involvement must come as a suprise to Evita herself .
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/world/africa/clinton-cites-clear-link-between-al-qaeda-and-attack-in-libya.html

AND ;Kirkpatrick's contentions must come as a suprise to the Slimes ,which reported about AQ affiliates were training and operating in Libya .
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/world/middleeast/no-specific-warnings-in-benghazi-attack.html?_r=0

But why let the facts get in the way of a coronation?

Another problem is that the Slimes is still considered a primary source worthy of being archived and filed in the Library of Congress. Historians reseaching Benghazi will probably reference this alleged 'definitive account'.

Hello again,

Lemme see. I wonder which one is more credible.... Hmmmm. The New York Times, which has won 112 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other news organization, or the Washington Free Beacon, a right wing 501(c)4 organization dedicated to exposing the relationship between the progressive movement and the mainstream media???

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

There is NOTHING more that can be said about that.

excon

So in other words ,the 'Free Beacon' doesn't mask their biases .The Slimes on the other hand pretends to be a gate-keeper of unbiased truth.
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich. has access to classified briefings and access to the raw intelligence. He disputes Kirkpatrick's assessment . So does Dem. member of the committee Rep. Adam Schiff .Schiff also said on television yesterday that AQ was involved. Schiff went on to say that unlike the Intelligence Committee, the Slimes didn't have access to the things that were said by participants who didn't know they were being listened to.....That the Slimes only had access to people who shape their story to their own interest.

We may not know everything but broad brushing every terrorist under the AQ label doesn't give us the facts of local group agendas. You may be an affiliated group, but be entirely independent of the main body. That has been what the so called Arab Spring has taught us, when dictators fall, there are many groups who swarm in to seize power in the vacuum that an absence of central authority creates.

Not a smooth transition at all, as what replaces those dictators is in such conflict, and flux. There is no peaceful process or procedure to accomplish this.

The NY Slimes article even contradicts their own previous articles... obviously all for the purpose of transferring their blissful ignorance of all things wrong about Obama to Hillary, their next Messiah... In the next few months they are going to be writing about how she cured cancer... and dreaming up "accomplisments" that never happened, much less she had any part in.

The National Enquirer has a better record of journalistic accuracy than the NY Times has had in recent years.

We may not know everything but broad brushing every terrorist under the AQ label doesn't give us the facts of local group agendas. You may be an affiliated group, but be entirely independent of the main body.
Yes I'm aware of the fact that AQ is not as centrally organized as it was .Still it has also been proven that marching orders still come from the Af-Pak region.
In the summer of 2012 US drones killed a high ranking AQ leader, Abu Yahya al-Libi (note the last name... he was a Libyan). An instruction video titled “The Lion of Knowledge and Jihad: Martyrdom of al-Sheikh Abu Yaha al-Libi ,was created by AQ chief Ayman al-Zawahiri calling for retaliation on U.S. facilities in the Middle East . The video confirmed Libi was killed in a drone strike in Waziristan on June 4, 2012, and called for revenge attacks, especially in Libya.
The video was released just days before the 9-11-12 attack on Ambassador Stevens.
So yes there was a video involved in the attack alright. It was the marching orders by al-Zawahiri.

If US drones and SEAL teams are so good at taking out AQ leaders how come Ayman al-Zawahiri has survived, either Pakistan hides him or he has become invisable or just maybe he isn't there. I would be less concerned about him giving orders and more concerned about where he is, there must be a trail to follow or has the CIA and the NSA settled for spying on world leaders and their own people

OBL was found a decade after 9-11 living comfortably near the Afghan army HQ . I think that answers your question,

Wrong country Tom or were you being facitious? Just for reference Pakistan is not Afghanistan, at least, not yet. Abbotabad is in northern Pakistan

oops haven't had my 2nd cup of coffee yet .

That will do it

re : AQ links to the Benghazi attack .here is a UNSC report linking the Muhammad Jamal Network (MJN)to AQ

NARRATIVE SUMMARIES OF REASONS FOR LISTING

QE.M.136.13. MUHAMMAD JAMAL NETWORK (MJN)

Date on which the narrative summary became available on the Committee’s website: 21 October 2013

The Muhammad Jamal Network (MJN) was listed on 21 October 2013 pursuant to paragraphs 2 and 3 of resolution 2083 (2012) as being associated with Al-Qaida for “participating in the financing, planning, facilitating, preparing, or perpetrating of acts or activities by, in conjunction with, under the name of, on behalf of, or in support of”, “supplying, selling or transferring arms and related materiel to”, and “recruiting for; or otherwise supporting acts or activities of” Al-Qaida (QE.A.4.01), Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (QE.A.129.10.) and The Organization of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (QE.T.14.01.). MJN is controlled by Muhammad Jamal Abd-Al Rahim Ahmad Al-Kashif (QI.A.318.13).

Additional information

Egyptian Muhammad Muhammad Jamal Abd-Al Rahim Ahmad Al-Kashif formed the MJN after his release from prison in 2011 and established multiple terrorist training camps in Egypt and Libya. AQAP (QE.A.129.10.) has provided funding to the MJN.

Muhammad Jamal was most recently arrested by Egyptian authorities in November 2012. His confiscated computer contained letters to Al-Qaida leader Aiman Muhammed Rabi al-Zawahiri (QI.A.6.01.) in which Muhammad Jamal described MJN’s activities as including acquiring weapons, conducting training, and establishing terrorist groups in the Sinai, and in which he asked Al-Zawahiri for assistance. Al-Zawahiri reportedly gave Jamal the go-ahead to launch terrorist attacks in Egypt, Libya, and elsewhere.

Muhammad Jamal has used the Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) network to smuggle fighters into MJN training camps. Suicide bombers are being trained at MJN training camps, and Muhammad Jamal has established links with violent extremists in Europe. Muhammad Jamal set up a training camp in Libya where Libyan and foreign violent extremists were trained. Some of the attackers of the U.S. Mission in Benghazi on 11 September 2012 have been identified as associates of Muhammad Jamal, and some of the Benghazi attackers reportedly trained at MJN camps in Libya.

Before he was arrested in November 2012, Muhammad Jamal was the leader of the Nasr City Cell (the Cell), whose members have been accused of plotting terrorist attacks inside Egypt. Raids against the Cell in October 2012 recovered a large amount of weapons, explosives, and related material.

MJN is connected to Al-Qaida senior leaders, including Aiman al-Zawahiri, and AQAP leaders Nasir ‘abd-al-Karim ‘Abdullah al-Wahishi (QI.A.274.10.) and Qasim Yahya Mahdi al-Rimi (QI.A.282.10.). MJN is also connected to The Organization of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.

Related listed individuals and entities

Aiman Muhammed Rabi al-Zawahiri (QI.A.6.01), listed on 25 January 2001
Nasir ‘abd-al-Karim ‘Abdullah al-Wahishi (QI.A.274.10.), listed on 19 January 2010
Qasim Yahya Mahdi al-Rimi (QI.A.282.10.), listed on 11 May 2010
Muhammad Jamal Abd-Al Rahim Ahmad Al-Kashif (QE.A.318.13), listed on 21 October 2013

Al-Qaida (QE.A.4.01.), listed on 6 October 2001
Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (QE.A.129.10.), listed on 19 January 2010
Egyptian Islamic Jihad (QE.A.3.01.), listed on 6 October 2001
The Organization of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (QE.T.14.01.), listed on 6 October 2001
The Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee (http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/NSQE13613E.shtml)

So the franchise is getting larger

Hello again,

1 . no ambassador was killed
2. no one tried to argue that they were anything but planned and executed attacks.
3.We know as a fact that there were no stand down orders from Washington against attempting a rescue .
4. Bush did not concoct and maintain a fictional reason why the attacks were carried out .Nor did Bush attempt to cover up the facts to the American people ,or to Congress while his staff testified under oath.
Nor did Bush's Sec State repeated those lies to grieving parents.

[QUthe adversary odd state getOTE=tomder55;3610361]1 . no ambassador was killed
2. no one tried to argue that they were anything but planned and executed attacks.
3.We know as a fact that there were no stand down orders from Washington against attempting a rescue .
4. Bush did not concoct and maintain a fictional reason why the attacks were carried out .Nor did Bush attempt to cover up the facts to the American people ,or to Congress while his staff testified under oath.
Nor did Bush's Sec State repeated those lies to grieving parents.[/QUOTE]

But Bush lied about something allegedly. Known lies by this regime mean nothing, there is no conspiracy big enough to trouble the true believers. I guess they enjoy being lied to and used as tools in his disgraceful game.

No, stop revising history, Bush lied about WMD in Iraq, Bush lied about Mission Accomplished. No administration is free from bending the truth and outright lies. This administration obviously has issues with the truth, this is because they are constantly under attack. It is hard to get rid of a bad government and you need a better mechanism for doing it. Now if the house were to elect the president and could impeach him with a simple no confidence vote, just thinking, you know, or the electoral college was comprised of a joint sitting of the house and senate and wasn't just based on proportional representation and could be recalled at any time

Dude, I'm not revising history, everyone believed Saddam had WMDs. I guess they all lied, too. And as for "mission accomplished (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Mission_Accomplished_Speech)":


Navy Commander and Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon) spokesman Conrad Chun said the banner referred specifically to the aircraft carrier's 10-month deployment (which was the longest deployment of a carrier since the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War)) and not the war itself, saying "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew."[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Mission_Accomplished_Speech#cite_note-7)

As for the idea this regime lies "because they are constantly under attack" that's no justification at all even if that were the excuse. The attacks on Bush were far more vicious and he did not concoct the kind of stories this regime does.

Very convenient argument, but we know what Bush meant when he stood under that banner. Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq) in Iraq, but we know that end was years away. "We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous."[10] (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/#cite_note-main551946.shtml-10)"Our mission continues...The War on Terror continues, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide."The speech also said that:
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed

So, it's now the murdered ambassador's own fault (http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/piers-mccain-wasnt-benghazi-mostly-ambassador-stevens-fault)? Not so says whistleblower Gregory Hicks, it's all Washington's fault (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304302704579332732276330284).


Last week the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya. The report concluded that the attack, which resulted in the murder of four Americans, was "preventable." Some have been suggesting that the blame for this tragedy lies at least partly with Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed in the attack. This is untrue: The blame lies entirely with Washington.


The report states that retired Gen. Carter Ham, then-commander of the U.S. Africa Command (Africom) headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany, twice offered to "sustain" the special forces security team in Tripoli and that Chris twice "declined." Since Chris cannot speak, I want to explain the reasons and timing for his responses to Gen. Ham. As the deputy chief of mission, I was kept informed by Chris or was present throughout the process.


On Aug. 1, 2012, the day after I arrived in Tripoli, Chris invited me to a video conference with Africom to discuss changing the mission of the U.S. Special Forces from protecting the U.S. Embassy and its personnel to training Libyan forces. This change in mission would result in the transfer of authority over the unit in Tripoli from Chris to Gen. Ham. In other words, the special forces would report to the Defense Department, not State.


Chris wanted the decision postponed but could not say so directly. Chris had requested on July 9 by cable that Washington provide a minimum of 13 American security professionals for Libya over and above the diplomatic security complement of eight assigned to Tripoli and Benghazi. On July 11, the Defense Department, apparently in response to Chris's request, offered to extend the special forces mission to protect the U.S. Embassy.


However, on July 13, State Department Undersecretary Patrick Kennedy refused the Defense Department offer and thus Chris's July 9 request. His rationale was that Libyan guards would be hired to take over this responsibility. Because of Mr. Kennedy's refusal, Chris had to use diplomatic language at the video conference, such as expressing "reservations" about the transfer of authority.








Chris's concern was significant. Transferring authority would immediately strip the special forces team of its diplomatic immunity. Moreover, the U.S. had no status of forces agreement with Libya. He explained to Rear Adm. Charles J. Leidig that if a member of the special forces team used weapons to protect U.S. facilities, personnel or themselves, he would be subject to Libyan law. The law would be administered by judges appointed to the bench by Moammar Gadhafi or, worse, tribal judges.

Stevens requested more security but Washington wouldn't give them diplomatic protection, they'd rather train up some Libyans. Stevens being a stand up guy had to reject the offer of Special Forces protection since the regime was willing to throw them under the bus. And now people are suggesting this was the victim's fault? Really?



I was interviewed by the Select Committee and its staff, who were professional and thorough. I explained this sequence of events. For some reason, my explanation did not make it into the Senate report.


To sum up: Chris Stevens was not responsible for the reduction in security personnel. His requests for additional security were denied or ignored. Officials at the State and Defense Departments in Washington made the decisions that resulted in reduced security. Sen. Lindsey Graham stated on the Senate floor last week that Chris "was in Benghazi because that is where he was supposed to be doing what America wanted him to do: Try to hold Libya together." He added, "Quit blaming the dead guy."

If you know the risks and you take them, then it's your fault. What part of we will disavow knowledge of your actions don't you understand.

If you know the risks and you take themm, then it's your fault.

Yep, the admin knew the risks, took them, and we ended up with a dead ambassador and a regime denying any responsibility.

The ambassador knew the risks and was prepared to take them without additional security. It is hard to shake off that superman persona. The administration was incorrect in trying to put up a smoke screen, obviously to protect some clandestine activity. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time will get you killed, a regretable fact when dealing islamists and Al Qaeda

Well heads rolled and personages fell upon their swords but of course you won't be satisfied until Obama falls on his sword. Ain't gunna happen

What part of he requested additional security but the regime wouldn't cooperate are you not understanding? What part of "it's all Washington's fault (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304302704579332732276330284)." do you not get? What part of "quit blaming the dead guy" is too hard to comprehend? What part of administration coverup and obstruction are you missing? And who the hell fell on their sword? No one that I'm aware of, that's the problem, it's everyone's fault but the people who are at fault.

Um... Saddam didn't have WMD's? Who gassed thousands of Kurds to death with VX nerve gas? I am pretty sure it wasn't the Vatican...

THere were several hundred metric tons of yellowcake uranium that WE the USA removed from Iraq that was sent to Canada for processing.

And I'm sure you wouldn't want any of it in your lungs , in your yard or in your house. Its not redily available to Joe Average and you won't make an atom bomb without any.

I didn't say he didn't have nerve gas and used it, I didn't say that at one time he didn't have a nuclear program, but reality check, these things were not found after the invasion, Saddam had run scared and disposed of them, but you can't say you did this back then and now we are going to invade. You don't understand you are not the world's policeman. the time for action had passed, and why the hell do you think Evita resigned, It was so she wouldn't get her nice little record tarnished because she was at the centre of a F@#kup and I seem to recall that certain other appointments changed

As Evita said, what does it matter now?

After years of preventing inspections... you don't think he wasn't using them to move things around and hide them.

Saddam himself admitted to it... MULTIPLE countries spy agencies say he had them... nearly every person in our senate and congress saw the same security briefing Bush got and say he had them... many of them saying so on video or audio... then they turn around a lie claiming they never said such a thing.


Incidentally the White house doesn't write those reports... they don't even have an input what's in them... so how could it have been BUSH lying about it?

By the way... there was a number of years I actually received and saw those same reports... There is a priority order in who gets to see them in what order starting with the Oval office and working down... but they all see the same ones with the same data... I saw them after the house and Senate saw them... I know what's in them... I know who creates them... and apparently most people out there don't. Despite the fact it has been discussed on the news.

I'll give you a pass on that being you live on the other side of the world and I don't doubt its never been covered where you live. Much the same as there are huge amounts of stuff happening there that never makes it here.


By the way...Nerve gas is considered a WMD according to international treaty....


Evita is another blowhard that will tell any lie and will stoop to anything to get her way....she's not any better than Obama is. History has proven she thinks she is above the law too.....as in contempt during File-gate as in only one example of many.

smoothy I don't doubt that at one time Saddam might have possessed and used nerve gas, both in his war with Iraq and on his own people. I understand the reasons why the country might have possessed such weapons. he may also have concealed such weapons from inspectors for a time. They were not found when the US attacked and subdued Iraq which supported evidence he provided that he might have disposed of them. however, much of that intelligence you relied on was flawed and even concocted by elements of ex-pat Iraqi who had much to gain.

the justifications that the Bush administration used to justify an invasion of Iraq were flawed. It was a unilateral action taken by Bush, Blair and even my own nation in response to flawed intelligence. You want to give Bush a leave pass because he was illinformed, I don't. There were alternative courses of action which he was unwilling to listen to. He built up military forces in Saudi Arabia and as a result gave OBL and Al Qaeda the excuse to attack the US then accused Saddam of complicity.

You shouldn't think of us as illinformed, misinformed perhaps, but not illinformed. The free press and media is alive and well in Australia and doesn't possess the same sicophantic relationship with our government as yours does with the White House

Your free press isn't any more relaible than any other in the world... they push the agenda they want... and try to make people believe what they want them to believe... which most times is not what really happened.


And its clear some people just refuse to accept facts... BUSH didn't pull intelligence out of his butt... and your own intelligence agencies as well as the others of othewr countries ALL agreed... we have video of convoys of trucks leaving weapons storgage facilities ahead of the inspectors arriving there... and going into Syria... in the middle of the night. Nice thing Satellite based video systems... can't hide much.

They weren't delivering the mail.


Besides....nothing was flawed....targeting our aircraft with misslles systems on its own was a violation of the cease fire agreement and an act of agression......thats all the justification we needed to retaliate and carpet bomb the country iof we wanted.....because SADDAM violateds the cease fire agreement....which meant the war was back on which at that time had never ended.....and again...I point out Korea as an example......The Korean war never ended....there is a cease fire agreement....thats why millions of soldiers are on both sides of the border still.

Yes all very nice ans I suppose we might even believe the weapons ASSard is giving up are the same stuff.

Look, spooks are spooks the world over. You have survelliance showing trucks, do you have survellience showing what was in them? or where they actually went? If you did you would have made an incursion into Syria. maybe it was a double blind. If they were important enough to invade iraq over, they were important enough to invade Syria over. No? obviously these items had lost their usefulness once they were out of reach because the objective wasn't WMD it was get Saddam to make sure there weren't any more oil assets he could "acquire". We saw gas used in Syria , I cannot believe that if Saddam possessed this weapon he would not have used it.

I'm not niaive enough to believe Bush is innocent in any of this, he just has a different set of cronies, anyway I just happen to think Bush was incompetent, as incompetent as his intelligence service

Well. You are deluding yourself if you think the President has any input into National security reports.

No President of the USA ever has... Its compiled by the national seucrity agencies and includes information passed from other Nations security agencies that we share with.

There is nothing partisan about them... they aren't beholden to either political party. As they are not political appointments.

The very same people that Give Bush his reports Gave Bill Clinton his... and Obama his.

Do they teach comprehension over there, Did I say Bush created the reports, no, but a president can influence the way information is used in reports, there are a lot of yes men in the intelligence agencies who will serve up unconfirmed intelligence because it suits the agenda

Bush took the intelligence presented and went to war with it, no doubt with his VP putting a stick up his butt, with images of mushroom clouds, a quick finish and oil profits. 10years later, NO,12 years later, it was wrong, a dumb idea!!

And costly in terms of human life.

I don't think you will get smoothy to agree he obviously swallowed the bull hook line and sinker, perhaps he cannot bring himself to believe he got it wrong, seems to be a traint in Bush supporters anyway it is all long ago and there are other fish to fry now as the walrus said; it is time to speak of other things

Clete... YOU clearly stated that Bush lied... that he mislead people of what was going on, that clearly means you believe he changed what was in them... what is patently false... There is a hierarchy as to who sees them first... and the order of succession others will see them... there is nothing different in any of them... they are exact copies... and there is ZERO opportunity for anyone who sees them to change their contents... EVERYONE saw the same reports... everyone agreed they were them... dozens in the senate and congress said as much either on audio recordings or on video at that time... many of the lefties later started spewing lies claiming they never agreed when they are on public record doing so...

But then neither of you really care much about the facts in the case... you insist on believing what you want despite absolutely zero facts to back up your claims.

Have either of you ever been on a list that received these reports? No...

Have I , yes I was for 7 years. I haven't been recently, but how they are handled never changes.

Everything I have said so far is a matter of public record...

Funny how OWEbama spends more than EVERY previous president COMBINED has spend in just his first term.....and that included, the Ciil war, WW1, WW2 Korea, Vietnam AND a number for smaller actions.....


Yet you refuse to hold him responsible for that......

i'm not interested in holding Obama responsible for actions commenced by others. Obama took you out of Iraq and hopefully he will take you out of Afghanistan. Obama did not create the GFC, that started on Bush's watch. His reactions to it may be questionable in some instances such as lack of prosecution and regulation of the banks but he has had a hostile congress. I don't not agree with QE but the extent to which he has control of it isn't apparent. I have not argued that the ACA was an ideal solution to a problem, but the right doesn't admit there was/is a problem

Boy does the media over there give you a biased view of events here.

Obama hasn't done ANYTHING successfully in his life... except con people... and he's not even really good at that...

any view of events I have comes from your media. You have heard of the internet. With it I have access to many news sources and so do our media. Our media is free therefore we have presentations from across the world. Some of our media is owned by the same people who own your media. If you want to look for bias, look in your own backyard. You must learn to seperate opinion from reporting. What you are saying is my opinion differs from yours. In regard to the actions of certain persons, it certainly does as we have already discussed

You don't like Obama because he has made a mess of the implemention of the health care initiative, I can understand that, it is hard to get good help these days. You don't like him because he has dared to say I will do it anyway no matter what you think. We will see whether these are just empty words. He might be a posser, many politicians are. It is a fault you find on both the right and the left

Obama hasn't done ANYTHING successfully in his lifePost your résumé and we'll compare.

he can't do that, it's "classified"

I know... it's part of the delusion that we chuckle about.

I know... it's part of the delusion that we chuckle about.

As I was saying...

What were you saying about smoothy?

he was just saying

There can be no more denial.. There was an intentional cover up of the events in Benghazi ;and a cover up of the cover up. Previously unreleased internal Obama administration emails show that a coordinated effort was made in the days following the Benghazi terror attacks to portray the incident as rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy. The disinformation effort was INTENTIONAL on order of the White House. Susan Rice was sent out, papers were shopped, talking points were broadcast in a concerted effort to mislead the public.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042914-698891-benghazi-emails-white-house-prepped-susan-rice.htm

ok ;let the yawning begin and go back to watching non-stop coverage of Donald Sterling. Candy Crowley already demonstrated in the Romney debate with the emperor the extent the press will cover for him.
Candy Crowley Interjects: Obama 'Did In Fact' Say Libya Attack Was Terrorism - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rydUk0YjIeI)

ok ;let the yawning begin

I see in all that you made a worthwhile comment

there would be major resignations in your government if something as outrageous as this had occurred.
Judicial Watch: Benghazi Documents Point to White House on Misleading Talking Points | Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-benghazi-documents-point-white-house-misleading-talking-points/)

hey Tom we don't wait for something outrageous to occur, our little ICAC enquiry has claimed four politicians in the last month for something as small as a bottle of wine, and more heads are going to roll over donations to slush funds, I think you call them Superpacs. Maybe our politicians are a little more sensitive to an accusation of corruption than yours, but I do know this, lobbyists will be in the sights of the legislature

Does anyone recall me posting "I'm not concerned about Barak HUSSEIN Obama, what worries me is Barak CAPONE Obama" when he was running for President the first time? Welcome to Chicago Gangster politics, world.

Does anyone recall me posting "I'm not concerned about Barak HUSSEIN Obama, what worries me is Barak CAPONE Obama" when he was running for President the first time? Welcome to Chicago Gangster politics, world.

Wait a moment, rhetoric aside, is there wholesale slaughter in the streets? mobs running booze and drugs all other the place? corruption in high places? Look let's just forget I asked

Just more right-wing buzzwords that are supposed to demonize the other side. It appeals to the no-thinking base.

Yes Obama can't cast off his roots, but enough people thought he might make a difference, and they can't get over it, their smear didn't work. Now if he had come from any place but Chicago

What the americans don't get is that their system is broken for both parties. Their partisan blinders prevent them from seeing that.

We know how completely perfect the Canadain system is... We hear about it all the time from you. No partisanship in the great white north according to you... which is quite contrary to what a lot of other Canadians I know say, in fact almost all of them say otherwise..

I didn't say anything about Canadian politics; why do you bring it up?


which is quite contrary to what a lot of other Canadians I know say, in fact almost all of them say otherwiseA meaningless sentence that allows you to write whatever you want.

When the system is broken there is only one way to fix it. I doubt anyone there has the resolve to do it. Lots of great talk about why they need guns but they will never use them, the nation has grown too big to take such remedies

Seems there might be reason to drag up Benghazi again with plans being made to evacuate US embassy staff, nationals, etc. This is what you get when you over through an established government. Chaos, so lets see how many Senate inquiries can dine out on this one. Howls of why weren't we warned

Congressman Trey Gowdy questioning why the press isn't doing their job . Trey Gowdy Demands Answers On Benghazi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6kK7gAU0-A)


REP. TREY GOWDY (R-SC): "We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act in Benghazi, and make no mistake, justice will be done." That was the president of the United States over a year ago.

"We're investigating exactly what happened, but my biggest priority now is bringing those folks to justice." That was the president of the United States over a year ago. No one has been arrested. No one has been prosecuted. No one has been brought to justice. We don't even have access to the witnesses.

You in the media were good enough for my 16 years as a prosecutor not to tell me how to do my job, and so far in Congress, y'all have been good enough not to tell me how to do my job. I'm not telling you how to do your job. But I'm going to ask you some questions, and if you can't answer these questions, then I'll leave you to draw whatever conclusion you want to draw about whether or not the media has provided sufficient oversight.

Can you tell me why Chris Stevens was in Benghazi the night that he was killed? Do you know? Does it bother you whether or not you know why Chris Stevens was in Benghazi? Do you know why we were the last flag flying in Benghazi after the British had left and the Red Cross had been bombed? Do you know why requests for additional security were denied? Do you know why an ambassador asking for more security days and weeks before he was murdered and those requests went unheeded? Do you know the answer to why those requests went unheeded? Do you know why no assets were deployed during the siege? And I've heard the explanation -- which defies logic, frankly -- that we couldn't have gotten there in time, but you know, they didn't know when it was going to end. So how can you possibly cite that as an excuse? Do you know whether the president called any of our allies and said, "Can you help? We have men under attack." Can you answer that? Do any of you know why Susan Rice was picked? The secretary of state did not go. She says she doesn't like Sunday talk shows. That's the only media venue she does not like, if that's true. Why was Susan Rice on the five Sunday talk shows? Do you know the origin of this mythology that it was spawned as a spontaneous reaction to a video? Do you know where that started? Do you know how we got from no evidence of that to that being the official position of the administration?

In conclusion, Congress is supposed to provide oversight, the voters are supposed to provide oversight, and you are supposed to provide oversight. That's why you have special liberties, and that's why you have special protections. I am not surprised that the president of the United States called this a phony scandal. I'm not surprised Secretary Clinton asked, "What difference does it make?" I'm not even surprised that Jay Carney said Benghazi happened a long time ago. I'm just surprised at how many people bought it.

Nice spin to justify yet another right wing witch hunt, fueled by election year politics. Stay tuned to Fox News for Gowdys latest spin.

I guess you guys have to holler about something for November 2014. The clown circus continues..

Anybody see the televised GOP state governor candidate debate in Idaho? LOL!

Debate? I thought it was an SNL skit! Their best so far since Palin was running for VP! LMAO!!

We will be selling tickets to the public executions that will rightfully be taking place when Obama, Hillary and Holder can no longer trample over the legal system and withhold justice for each other. Murder has no statute of limitations... they will ALL be private citizens again soon... and not just one of them.

Have a world wide pay-per -view event...between the tree of them and we could pay back most of the debt Obama ran up.

We will be selling tickets to the public executions that will rightfully be taking placeSo you publicly advocate the killing of these people? And you're a christian right?
This is another example of why religion is a problem with american society.

So you publicly advocate the killing of these people? And you're a christian right?
This is another example of why religion is a problem with american society.
After the trial... We believe in the death penalty here in the USA for the truly Heinous crimes... and aiding the terrorists by coving it up... qualifies. This wasn't a parking violation.


We could settle for exactly the same treatment that John Christopher Stevens received while the White house sat and watched on video... and yes they did see the attack on realtime video. The autopsy proved what happened to him before and after he died. And why they quashed it early on but not before information got out. ALL embassies have live video from security cameras back to the USA.

Actually I think the Electric Chair or the Guillotine would be humain in comparison.

Nice spin to justify yet another right wing witch hunt, fueled by election year politics. Stay tuned to Fox News for Gowdys latest spin.

I guess you guys have to holler about something for November 2014. The clown circus continues..

obviously you have no answers to the legitimate questions Gowdy raises.

Yes I do, but why bother since it doesn't fit your conspiracy/corruption theory. Even after Iran/Contra, the left didn't hang Reagan when 300 marines were killed in Lebanon. I won't even go into the Bush years.

Yes I do, but why bother since it doesn't fit your conspiracy/corruption theory. Even after Iran/Contra, the left didn't hang Reagan when 300 marines were killed in Lebanon. I won't even go into the Bush years.

I seem to remember Regan wasn't found guilty on the IRan Contra thing... and I know you are old enough to have known that as well.

I also remember the Valerie Plaime withch hunt... where despite all the attempts of the Democrats... no crime was found to have been committed... and the only person that went to jail did so because he got his testimony crossed up... not because of anything to do with the actual faux crime. Since her husband is who actually outed her first.

SInce we had to listen to WATERGATE this, and WATERGATE that... for the last 40 years... WATERGATE was a joke compared to Benghazigate, and NIxon was an absolute SAINT compaired to Obama...

Nixon only threatened to use the IRS to get back... OBAMA actually did it... and that's SOmething else that needs prosecuted too, IRSgate... people need fire,and people need to go to jail for that... everyone that have anything to do in it.

Yes I remember it well, before the right wing spin machine tried to revise history.

That was back when there really were still some journalists... instead of propgandists in the media. Journalism as a trade died out a lot of years ago.

WATERGATE was a joke compared to BenghazigateAnd Benghazi is a joke compared to the number of contractors (287) killed in Iraq that no one seems to talk about.

And Benghazi is a joke compared to the number of contractors (287) killed in Iraq that no one seems to talk about.
They were doing their jobs in a war zone .

Yes I do, but why bother since it doesn't fit your conspiracy/corruption theory. Even after Iran/Contra, the left didn't hang Reagan when 300 marines were killed in Lebanon. I won't even go into the Bush years.

So you divert since you can't answer his questions. Reagan took responsibility for the Marine base bombing ;and changed his policy there as a result . He did not make a false narrative to explain the failure.

They were doing their jobs in a war zoneSo were the diplomats. Case closed.

btw ; The Marines were there as part of a multinational peacekeeping mission supported by the UN . They weren't there as a secret mission to arm jihadists in Syria with weapons we gave to Libyan rebels.

So were the diplomats. Case closed.

Stevens was not in Benghazi on 9-11-12 doing any 'diplomatic ' mission.

And Benghazi is a joke compared to the number of contractors (287) killed in Iraq that no one seems to talk about.

If Benghazi was a joke after four deaths ... what does that make Watergate?

So if Obama admits to arming jihadists/rebels and that was Stevens mission then you guys are cool?

Stevens was not in Benghazi on 9-11-12 doing any 'diplomatic ' mission.He was in Libya... not a friendly country or stable country by any means. You trying to reduce the argument again so that it fits a very narrow rule that you've defined. He accepted the risks, just like those contractor deaths that you so easily dismissed.

not at all . It is horrible policy that was covered up so he could keep a false narrative about his foreign policy in place through the 2012 elections. But admitting his failed and secret policy to the American people would at least keep his promise of a transparent adm.

It is horrible policy that was covered up so he could keep a false narrative about his foreign policy in place through the 2012 elections.Yes, that is indeed the right-wing talking point that is repeated ad nauseum. Good little sheep...

He was in Libya... not a friendly country or stable country by any means. You trying to reduce the argument again so that it fits a very narrow rule that you've defined. He accepted the risks, just like those contractor deaths that you so easily dismissed.
Why were we still in Benghazi ? Every other nation had bugged out because of the risks. Why did Evita refuse his requests for more security ?What was he doing in Benghazi on a day that were knew there was a heightened risk ? Why was he meeting a Turkish representative in Benghazi ,the site of a secret "mission " instead of Tripoli where the American Embassy was located ?
The emperor hasn't come close to answering any of these questions ;and I don't care how long it takes to get answers from him . His administration ;the State Dept ,the Defense Dept ,and the CIA have to give adequate answers instead of the false narrative they've tried to peddle .

But admitting his failed and secret policy to the American people would at least keep his promise of a transparent adm.

Obviously he isn't going to bring his own rope to your hanging.

fine then Gowdy will do the job. You forget ;it's still young in the process. Even with the press on the case ,it took until August of 1973 to find the smoking gun against Nixon. .

you are still supposing there is a smoking gun, rather than there being bad judgement

let's start with the truth . Answer the questions about the policy .Answer the questions about the obvious cover up.
Here's one for ya . EVEN if a military unit could not show up in time to assist in the attack ;Why wasn't a unit sent to secure the compound . Geeze ! it took weeks for the FBI to show up and sift through the ashes . It was an American press contingent that found the Ambassador's diary ! . What useful intel walked out the doors in the days and hours after the attack ?

And for the Geographically challenged, The American Sigonella Naval Air Station in Sicilly Italy has had a rapid reaction force based there for EXACTLY such a problem in north Africa for decades. And it was a 45 minutes away.

capability is one thing, action and willingness to act another. Without boots on the ground what are you going to do? If you land without permission that is invasion although I recall it hasn't stopped you in the past (Cuba, Granda, Panama come to mind and I'm sure there are countless other instances)

capability is one thing, action and willingness to act another

They were prepared, staged and ready to take off... and a number of Top Officers were fired by Obama (and long Military carreers ended and ruined) for not standing down and just allowing it to happen, or saying anything about it. The unwillingness was 110% at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue... not anyplace else.

Yes strategy is a bumber isn't it. Just kill something doesn't really wash any more. You have never really learned the term expendiable have you. It's this we are the best, we have got to win complex you have been educated with. Look, maybe Obama is a , he obviously doesn't look for military solutions but then he was never in the military, whereas Kennedy and even Bush had some experience and took decisive action, but it eventually led to disasterious war.

Learn the lessons of history, sometimes you just can't act

Yes strategy is a bumber isn't it. Just kill something doesn't really wash any more. You have never really learned the term expendiable have you. It's this we are the best, we have got to win complex you have been educated with. Look, maybe Obama is a , he obviously doesn't look for military solutions but then he was never in the military, whereas Kennedy and even Bush had some experience and took decisive action, but it eventually led to disasterious war.

Learn the lessons of history, sometimes you just can't act

It was an Embassy... if anyone attacked any other embassy in the world... that would be an act of war... Obama is a festering Rectum that surrounds himself with even less intelligent yes men or his fragile ego would collapse under its own weight.

Put Some Mortars into the Chinese Embassy or the Russian Embassy anywhere in the world and see how long it would go without a harsh reaction.


Personally, If I was an ambassador under Obama, or a State Dept Employee working at any foreign station... I'd quit... knowing my safety carried absolutely NO importance to the White house.

It was an Embassy... if anyone attacked any other embassy in the world... that would be an act of war... Obama is a festering Rectum that surrounds himself with even less intelligent yes men or his fragile ego would collapse under its own weight.

Put Some Mortars into the Chinese Embassy or the Russian Embassy anywhere in the world and see how long it would go without a harsh reaction.


Personally, If I was an ambassador under Obama, or a State Dept Employee working at any foreign station... I'd quit... knowing my safety carried absolutely NO importance to the White house.

Democrats have been writing off Embassy personnel since Carter. If even Gerald Ford had been in office then we would never have heard the term "jihad." Now it may no longer be possible to assert Embassy sovereignty.

Yeah... Obama wrecked a lot of things, including the Military. He's a bigger threat to the USA than Putin or China are combined.

After Carter screwed up in Iran, Reagan screwed up in Lebanon. How selective is your memory?

After Carter screwed up in Iran, Reagan screwed up in Lebanon. How selective is your memory?

We didn't have advance warnings for Lebanon like we had Under Clinton when they tried to blow up the WTC with a Van-bomb... and they treated it like shoplifting, or when Sudan tried to hand him over and Clinton tried to say, no controlling Authority... leaving OBL free to plan and execute 9/11, Which might not have happened if Bill Clinton had not legally prevented the FBI from talking to the NSA and CIA.

Regan also once and for all Shut up Momar Qaddafi with the threats and lines in the sand when we blew up his house and killed one of his inbred sons.

Obama would have been on his knees groveling and apologizing... as he was seen doing numerous times the last 6 years.

WTC was Bush/Cheney, NOT Clinton, and it got us in Iraq again for 10 years. Watch it, or the emperor will send drones instead of raccoons to your house.

WTC was Bush/Cheney, NOT Clinton, and it got us in Iraq again for 10 years. Watch it, or the emperor will send drones instead of raccoons to your house.


The BIPARTISAN 9/11 Commission came to the conclusion this happened because of Clintons inaction. Face reality... because that's what happened.

And also I have no idea where you are getting your information from... We got in Iraq because Saddam invaded Quwait... Raped and pillaged the country. And only saved his slimy skin by begging for a cease fire, that he continuously violated and that was a lot longer than 10 years, its been since 1991. THere was never two Gulf wars.....there was only ever ONE.....where hostilities resumed, Something thats likely to happen in Korea if the Pillsburry dog turd doesn't get eaten by his own dogs.

And incidently.....Obama got a LOT more people killed in either Iraq or Afghanistan than were killed under Bushes terms. So try again....that excuse doesn't cut the mustard.


You know what that is... We've had one in Korea since 1953...

let me see now I recall an embassy that got bombed in the Balkans war, very convenient and it didn't start a war. You are calling Obama a pu$$y, but that statement you just made makes you a pu$$y.

The embassy wasn't attacked by a state but by insurrgents or militants or Al Qaeda or whatever, noone to strike at unless you would like to do an air strike to take out everyone and everything on the ground, sort of counter productive, the days of gunboat diplomacy and heroics are over and we can be glad about that

let me see now I recall an embassy that got bombed in the Balkans war, very convenient and it didn't start a war. You are calling Obama a pu$$y, but that statement you just made makes you a pu$$y.

The embassy wasn't attacked by a state but by insurrgents or militants or Al Qaeda or whatever, noone to strike at unless you would like to do an air strike to take out everyone and everything on the ground, sort of counter productive, the days of gunboat diplomacy and heroics are over and we can be glad about thatObama is one because he acts like one... He's a really bad joke, and to others who don't suffer from his follies... he's a laughing stock.

Gee... if you listen to Obama, and his BS... it was all about some video nobody ever heard about... that only had 600 views TOTAL in the few years it was up before they threw some poor guy in jail as a scapegoat... almost ALL the views before it was taken down came AFTER the administration was advertising it

If Obama was actually a man... he would have taken ownership of his actions... instead of blaming someone else for everything... literally everything.

He wanted the job... he got the job, by hook or byt crook... the buck stops with him. A real man would own up to it, like any supervisor, manager or higher in any higher position anyplace is expected to do.

He's a really bad joke, and to others who don't suffer from his follies... he's a laughing stock.That's how we view you here! LOL.

Obama is one because he acts like one... He's a really bad joke, and to others who don't suffer from his follies... he's a laughing stock.

Gee... if you listen to Obama, and his BS... it was all about some video nobody ever heard about... that only had 600 views TOTAL in the few years it was up before they threw some poor guy in jail as a scapegoat... almost ALL the views before it was taken down came AFTER the administration was advertising it

If Obama was actually a man... he would have taken ownership of his actions... instead of blaming someone else for everything... literally everything.

He wanted the job... he got the job, by hook or byt crook... the buck stops with him. A real man would own up to it, like any supervisor, manager or higher in any higher position anyplace is expected to do.

I don't think the man has many options available, not as many as you think he has. The option you want him to take is resign, that really isn't an option

That's how we view you here! LOL.We all visualize Dudley Do-Right riding his horse backwards from the old cartoon series when we think of you.

I don't think the man has many options available, not as many as you think he has. The option you want him to take is resign, that really isn't an option

Resigning is always an option... Its been done before for far less valid reasons.

He's had lots of options... he was too think headed and short sighted to see much less use any of them.

He's managed to alienate and irritate so many people through his arrogance.. a lot of avenues and doors have permanently closed to him.

The old addage of actions having consequences.

You guys have been irritated and alienated since you lost congress in 2006. Get over yourself.

You guys have been irritated and alienated since you lost congress in 2006. Get over yourself.Gee...

Who got thrown out after having Congress, the Senate AND the whitehouse 2008-2010, and still couldn't do anything productive but spend record ammounts of OUR tax dollars...

Well tHe people Spoke and you lost the house in 2010, and the people are ready to speak and you are about to lose the Senate too.

Obama made history... historically the WORST President that as ever held office in this coutry.

His only accomplishment has been making Jimmy Carter look a LOT better than he actually was.

the people are ready to speak and you are about to lose the Senate tooDo you believe that things will get done then?

He sure couldn't help Bush look better, and fact is you are only as good a the last election, and there is another around the corner. I just hate to see you guys cry, whine and holler constantly, like spoiled brats who can't have your way, and fuss about your crappy diapers being changed.

After 200 years seems you would be civilized by now, and at least potty trained! And make no mistake, you will change your funky draws,

Ahmed Abu Khatallah apprehended .Says he was there but not part of the attack lol . Send him to GITMO !

BBC News - US seizes Benghazi raid 'ringleader' Ahmed Abu Khattala (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27893831)

fortuitous that they made this capture right before Evita's interview night on Fox News. Nahhh couldn't be a coincidence.

I think they just rounded up some randon sucker off the street and made him out to be the bad guy. Would anyone really know any different if they did that?

give them some credit they were probably watching him for a long time

They spent all of that time blaming it on a video nobody ever watched before they advertised it on TV. Steadfastly claiming it WASN'T a terrorist act.

he was IDed as a ringleader over a year ago ,and he did not try to hide. Instead he openly did interviews at street side cafes for 2 years . They could've nabbed him anytime . The timing is very suspicious . I think it's part helping Evita ,and part deflection from the disaster in northern Iraq.

probably were hoping he would lead them to others

Nope... anytime the democrats do something... its all about political gain, they would sit back and watch a genocide happen for years waiting until they could use it to forward some political agenda.


Next they are going to be claiming Evita orchastrated teh entire thing.....anything to try to remove the memory of her absolutely repulsive beviour about Benghazi....where she was sleeping off a bender rather than doing her job. Yes she is a mean drunk, and has a problem with the bottle. She's also a mean sober person too. I guess she's bitter about being born with piano legs and not attractive.

Ok so they try him in the US for crimes committed ""ön US soil" was the mission at Benghazi an embassy or have they overstepped here. It seems to me there is a bumbling, stumbling approach to the whole thing and yet inquiries have revealed little. Why do they think a show trial will make things any clearer, summary execution would make things clearer, but then you guys don't do summary execution, do you?

DIstraction... smoke and mirrors... this administration does that every time they get caught with their pants down holding the family cat.

get the kiwi's to send them some sheep

was the mission at Benghazi an embassy or have they overstepped here. It seems to me there is a bumbling, stumbling approach to the whole thing and yet inquiries have revealed little.

excellent question. It was at best a mission and a CIA outpost ,not a consulate as the emperor ,Evita ,and the compliant press claimed .

then the rendition is illegal

nonsense . He's an illegal combatant . He needs a military tribunal after a long interrogation .

He is a murderer and will be tried as such in federal court where the charges were filed.

He deserves a broom handle up his rectal sphincter in a prison shower like Jeffery Dahlmer got.

he claims he was directing traffic, so clearly he should have a fair trial, not a trail in the court of public opinion.

Naw.. trial in the Court of the Prison Shower room. Obama will have his lefty minions off him so he can't actually say anything embarassing in the courtroom.

well he is having a nice sea voyage at the moment, anything can happen in the North Atlantic

I expect him to have an "unfortunate accident" or to be "shot while escaping"... or "slip on a bar of soap in the shower."

He'll be just like Vincent Foster in the Clinton Administration.

arn't you a little cynical afterall if they wanted to off him they could have done that in Libya, no, he has valuable information that will prove the administration right, it was a peaceful demonstration gone wrong

has valuable information that will prove the administration right, it was a peaceful demonstration gone wrong
Nobody believes that lie .The Obots don't even make that case anymore.

we shall see

If he's a random stooge they plucked off the street... they wouldn't kill him there because nobody would believe hin and there would be no ability to use them as a distraction from other events they don't find flattering to them.(which are a daily event these days) and a tactic they use with extreme predictability..

THey will parade him around for all its worth before the trial... but he will meet with an unfortunate accident... or will be found dead in his cell before he can testify and prove what a charade its all really been.

no he will be kept on ice for years with legal argument , you do none of these things quickly

He does not require or deserve a civilian trial .

Deserves got nothing to do with it. Federal court is the most efficient, effective, and successful route of prosecution.

I rest my case :

A second document from Oct. 2012 is the first official confirmation the Obama administration knew weapons were being shipped to Syrian rebels “from the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of Borj Islam, Syria,” an effort made easier by “uncertainty” directly attributable to the downfall of Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi. “The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper rifles, RPG’s and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers missiles [200 ea – 125mm and 200ea – 155 mm.],” the document states.
A third document from August 2012 reveals events in Libya were taking a “clear sectarian direction,“ and that Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood, and al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) “are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.” The development was seen as creating “dire consequences” for Iraq, as well as facilitating the subsequent rise of ISIS:

This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI [ISIS] could also declare an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/arnold-ahlert/the-benghazi-syria-weapons-connection/

Tom No one doubted the dirty tricks department was busy again, if there is an insurgency to be supported it would support it. So to spell it out you facilitated the rise of al qaeda and you facilitated the rise of ISIS and now you sit on your hands and say no boots on the ground

Judicial Watch has been doing yeoman's work exposing the lies about Benghazi from the Obots in the White House ,and Evita's State Dept .


[President of Judicial Watch]Tom Fitton said the documents that keep piling up "show the Obama White House was behind the big lie, first promoted by Hillary Clinton, that an Internet video caused the Benghazi terrorist attack."
"Top White House aide Ben Rhodes, Hillary Clinton, and many key Obama officials pushed others to tie the Internet video to the attacks," he said.
"It is little wonder that Mrs. Clinton and the entire Obama administration have fought so hard to keep these documents from the American people. All evidence now points to Hillary Clinton, with the approval of the White House, as being the source of the Internet video lie."
It was a lie that bloomed into a conspiracy. The new documents released to Judicial Watch show "the Obama administration engaged domestic and foreign Islamist groups and foreign nationals to push the Internet video narrative."
It appears the White House even successfully recruited the Turkish government, or at least Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, to help spread the lie.
Another email, says Judicial Watch, "evidently from the Office of the Secretary of Defense" and sent to National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan and other top White House officials, "shows that the administration took no action to deploy military assets almost five hours after the attack began."
This corroborates early and continued speculation that the men were left on their own to die.
Why would the administration want to spin this tragic incident in such a way? Why did it want to, in the words of White House operative Rhodes, "underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video"?
Because, as Rhodes said, it did not want to admit the attack was part of "broader failure of policy."
The administration knew the Benghazi attack was a terrorist act, but it couldn't dare admit it because that would call into question the Obama policy and expose as a lie the president's claim that Libya was a success.
Clinton Emails: The Benghazi Lie Continues To Unravel - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/063015-759767-judicial-watch-releases-hillary-clinton-emails.htm?p=full)

Very old news so Syria is another american war

No it's not. Syria, Iraq, Iran and most of the other countries of the middle east has a long history of wars with each other and within themselves, long before the US became involved.

We weren't the only ones to follow Bush's war crap, and by your own words you are still there following us now. So get real with the self righteous blame game you keep prattling on about. Or do you call your involvement "leading from behind " too? If you can do better, do it.

It becomes difficult when you look in the mirror doesn't it

Doesn't bother you to be standing beside us in the mirror, so why should it bother us?

Oh I would rather not be there Tal, but obligations, you know

It's never a good sign when the FBI is seizing property from you. General Petraeus was indicted for much less than what they've ALREADY found on Evita's email server .


Hillary Clinton will turn over her email server to federal investigators - after it emerged that the insecure device contained at least two hyper-classified messages.
The former Secretary of State agreed Tuesday to give her controversial server to the Department of Justice.
The move came on the same day the chairman of Congress's judicial committee revealed that some of the messages on the private server were stored at the government's second-highest level of secrecy.
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) revealed that a government inspector found messages on Clinton's server marked 'Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information'.
A spokesman for Clinton's presidential campaign said the candidate 'pledged to cooperate with the government's security inquiry' and answer further questions.
Two thumb drives containing a cache of her emails were also handed over to FBI agents Tuesday after officials deemed they could no longer safely be held in the Washington, D.C., officer of her lawyer, where they had been kept.
The two super-secret emails - plucked from a sample of just 40 from Clinton's tens of thousands of messages - are thought to originate from the CIA.



FBI seize Hillary Clinton's emails and she will hand over her private server | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3194356/FBI-seize-Hillary-s-emails-finding-two-messages-classified-secret-private-server.html#ixzz3iapf4s26)

This tells me that the emperor is ready to throw Evita under the bus . But when push comes to shove ;will she remain silent about what she knows about the White House involvement in Benghazi ?

Hello:

OMG!! Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi....

excon

It's a messy backward world, and NOISY!!

Hello:

OMG!! Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi....

excon

If the emails are released they will be quite revealing . It's already having an impact on Evita's campaign. The emperor will endorse Biden's run before the 1st Dem primary .

Like it matters, if you want to dig dirt there is plenty to be dug alround

Must be the distance I don't understand a word you said

Hello again,

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi...

We KNEW it was about politics from the get go. It was NEVER about the 4 Americans who gave their lives.. It was NEVER about bringing closure to the families. It was ALWAYS about damaging Hillary Clinton.. They spent $4.5 MILLION of OUR tax dollars for POLITICS. They should be ashamed.

Here, your NEW Speaker spills his guts to Hannity:

Rep. Kevin McCarthy how he would differ from John Boehner | On Air Videos | Fox News (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4519442873001/rep-kevin-mccarthy-how-he-would-differ-from-john-boehner/?#sp=show-clips)

excon

Hillary was Drunk and passed out when she was at the wheel (proven and known fact inside government circles). She was Sec of State... the buck stopped on her desk like every previous Sec of State when something happened on their watch.

No news here! After 8 investigation already everybody knew this one was a SCAM!

Right.. nobody died... the Embassy was never attacked... its all another Hoax created by Dan Rather

The event was real the latest investigation is a bogus political hack job. Everybody knows that even YOU smoothy.

Hillary DESERVES to go to jail over this for GROSS dereliction of duty.

This actually was HER responsibility. Funny how the people defending her blamed Bush for Katrina when its NOT and never was the federal governments job to jump right in, not until the Gov of the affected states asked for help.

Common knowledge and SOP for FEMA. But apparently too much for others to grasp.

Washington knew this was happening AS it was happening... they had much of it on video from the security camera feeds. Yet Hillary couldn't be woken up? Seriously... if it wasn't her responsibility as Sec of State to oversee the Dept of State... then who's job was it... and no... don't say Bob the Janitor.

Had she even tried in a timely basis it would have been different... if she and her minions had not created an elaborate deception.. it might not have been a huge deal... the lies started from the beginning when everyone knew they were lies. The only people duped were people that believe everything the lamestream media reports.

Did you think you got the full unbiased story on CNN during Desert Storm or Desert Shield before it? You would be hideously wrong if you said yes. First hand knowledge on that.. from beginning to end. AFRTS carried the CNN coverage on the base I was at so I saw the BS real time. Of course the European Coverage including SKY and the BBC were far worse ( had my own satellite feed for those at my Condo) back in the old Analog Ku Band days before it all went digital.

No different on this either.

Smoothy, you have a strange dichotomy over there, everyone expects the President to act, but without the states he is powerless and no red state is going to give him power. Then in international affairs everyone expects the President to act but he is a prisioner of congress. What was it you expected Hilliary to do? Send a task group to the Libya coast and bomb the crap out of them? If memory serves me correctly that is how you got into the situation in the first place, but she couldn't do that. If you would stop stuffing about in covert affairs in other nations you wouldn't have these problems and you want her charged with what, doing her job? She was not in charge of the CIA, NSA or the military. You want her charged with telling lies to the media, I thought telling lies was a way of life in Washington. If you think anyone of us believes anything that comes out of the US you are mistaken

8 investigations and you got NADA!? What you do have is a confession by the House leader that it was to bring her down in the polls.

You do the math.

Smoothy, you have a strange dichotomy over there, everyone expects the President to act, but without the states he is powerless and no red state is going to give him power. Then in international affairs everyone expects the President to act but he is a prisioner of congress. What was it you expected Hilliary to do? Send a task group to the Libya coast and bomb the crap out of them? If memory serves me correctly that is how you got into the situation in the first place, but she couldn't do that. If you would stop stuffing about in covert affairs in other nations you wouldn't have these problems and you want her charged with what, doing her job? She was not in charge of the CIA, NSA or the military. You want her charged with telling lies to the media, I thought telling lies was a way of life in Washington. If you think anyone of us believes anything that comes out of the US you are mistaken

All she had to do was her job... but she didn't. She spend weeks telling Lies about what actually happened. THen she has the audacity to say... "what difference does it make". Tell that to the families of those that died.

They had rapid response teams ready to go... several Military commanders had their military careers ruined because they wanted to go and were upset they were given stand down orders. So Clete... there are a lot of levels everything about this stunk.

Trying to do ANYTHING to help... even if it fails... is far better than sitting back and letting it happen.

This is ALL about Democrats and the current administration covering their butts and covering everything up. For purely political reasons.


If a gang of guys decided to rape that cute girl down the street... and you pulled up a chair and a beer and set down and watched and did nothing... would get you jail time here. This was the same. State Dept in DC knew what was happening when it happened... they have feeds from EVERY embassy. ANyone that claims they didn't know until AFTER is a flat out liar.

I've actually been in the center where they monitor this... and I put in some of the infrastructure for it.

Smoothy, knowing something is happening thousands of miles away and doing something about it are two different things. It didn't happen just down the street, any response even one as close as Italy is going to arrive too late. You cannot just march into a soveriegn nation even one in tirmoil without consequences. I believe your military has something called the rules of engagement, I don't know how this situation fits but I doubt unilateral action is authorised. What happened in Benghazi was the result of a covert action and a specific terrorist targeting. Hilliary resigned or was removed as Secretary of State, I think we can all read between the lines. That she isn't prepared to call quits to politics is the problem we have

Smoothy, knowing something is happening thousands of miles away and doing something about it are two different things. It didn't happen just down the street, any response even one as close as Italy is going to arrive too late. You cannot just march into a soveriegn nation even one in tirmoil without consequences. I believe your military has something called the rules of engagement, I don't know how this situation fits but I doubt unilateral action is authorised. What happened in Benghazi was the result of a covert action and a specific terrorist targeting. Hilliary resigned or was removed as Secretary of State, I think we can all read between the lines. That she isn't prepared to call quits to politics is the problem we have

If you know you should do something... they knew and they refused to do anything.. in fact they went so far as firing Military officers that questioned WHY they were being ordered to stand down. The event took over 4 hours.. they could have had people on the ground in 45 minutes.

That's why there is such an issue. We had Rapid reaction forces in place that close. While I wasn't on THAT base over there...I was on one of the others a little too far away for going there in a hurry for a significant period of time. And was familiar with all the others in the region that fell under our umbrella.

And If any of us through our own gross negligence had even ONE person die... we would likely have been on trial for it. And I know for a fact it happens even more often in Europe than the USA. But a "Clinton" is special... specifically someone with a long criminal history that's been covered up time and time again by the DNC political operatives.

Heck... the argument can even be made of RICO act charges. Organized crime members have been tried and jailed under that act with far less proof to go on. Shows just how corrupt the political system is. Not just here but everywhere.

Yes you're right the system is corrupt. Personally I don't know why anyone would want to be part of the system but I expect there are rewards that are not immediately apparent. Benghazi is not going to be laid to rest while ever Hilliary is on stage even though the ultimate responsibility is Obama's. You and I might think a boots an all approach is possible but it very seldom is, you weren't facing the Barbary pirates but someone who wanted you to involve yourself

Well... it might or might not have saved all four lives... but doing nothing certainly cost them.

If not for the fact we actually had people where we did BECAUSE of Qaddafi... that COULD have actually been boots on ground in 45 minutes in Beghazi... it might have been a moot issue.

Like a fire Crew sitting at a burning house hoses out and ready to go... doing nothing but smoking a cigarette saying "What difference does it make" while letting the house burn down.

Bottom line, we await the facts that the other 8 investigations missed. Then it will be another official waste of time by the repubs... and Hillary is the next PREZ!

Look it's the grassy knoll all over again, great conjecture and furore. What would have happened if an american expeditionary force had landed in Benghazi? Do you think it would be just like Abbottabad, in and out cleanly without a fight?

Bottom line, we await the facts that the other 8 investigations missed. Then it will be another official waste of time by the repubs... and Hillary is the next PREZ!
She needs to be in jail... Not in ANY political office. She is a drunken idiot that deserves to be doing time.

In that respect she probably needs to join the club, if all the people who should be prosecuted were, you couldn't find enough room in the courts and the jails and you already have more in the jails than anyone else. Might be time to establish a Gulag in Alaska

In that respect she probably needs to join the club, if all the people who should be prosecuted were, you couldn't find enough room in the courts and the jails and you already have more in the jails than anyone else. Might be time to establish a Gulag in AlaskaAlaska is too nice a place. We need to send them someplace like Nigeria.

Who pays for that?

One way costs via Old freighter to Nigeria is a lot cheaper than giving them handouts at taxpayer expense. It would pay for itself in the first month or two. I really don't think they would last too long over there with all their entitlement mentality and everything.

Why do you want to inflict Nigeria, it has enough problems, anyway a solution like that was tried, called Liberia and that ended badly. There is a certain thinking that needs to change, isolating people doesn't work, it is a short term solution. Your country is full of people who came from somewhereelse that you don't want, seems to me you need to put your energies into creating prosperity somewhereelse, It is hard to focus on fixing your problems and fixing someoneelse's at the same time unless the objectives converge. Want to solve unemployment, create it some place else, perhaps in one of those places your government dispises like Cuba, Venezuela or some central american failed economy. Don't export your jobs to China, export them to south america

Why do you want to inflict Nigeria, it has enough problems, anyway a solution like that was tried, called Liberia and that ended badly. There is a certain thinking that needs to change, isolating people doesn't work, it is a short term solution. Your country is full of people who came from somewhereelse that you don't want, seems to me you need to put your energies into creating prosperity somewhereelse, It is hard to focus on fixing your problems and fixing someoneelse's at the same time unless the objectives converge. Want to solve unemployment, create it some place else, perhaps in one of those places your government dispises like Cuba, Venezuela or some central american failed economy. Don't export your jobs to China, export them to south america


We've actually tried to export them to South America... Hasn't worked out too well in most cases (disastrous might be a good description)... Too much corruption.. too little education... and the work ethic... on average well, that's pretty bad. Everyone motivated enough to work as already left.

Nigeria's a mess... can't make it any worse... but it could be any number of other places around there.

Problem with Cuba... too easy to sneak back in.

We've actually tried to export them to South America... Hasn't worked out too well in most cases (disastrous might be a good description)... Too much corruption.. too little education... and the work ethic... on average well, that's pretty bad. Everyone motivated enough to work as already left.

Nigeria's a mess... can't make it any worse... but it could be any number of other places around there.

Problem with Cuba... too easy to sneak back in.

If they had prosperity in Cuba they wouldn't want to sneak back in, their health system alone would be incentive to stay

Your idea of exporting jobs to latin america is establish factories over the border in mexico and then you say it doesn't work, you have fixed ideas, you just don't think out of the box

This idea of the work ethic has to go, employ them on piece rates and let them do as much or as little as they want, besides some of these places are tropical so the working day has to be viewed with a different perspective. These slave labour ideas, toiling from dusk to dawn have to go, very unamerican I know

If they had prosperity in Cuba they wouldn't want to sneak back in, their health system alone would be incentive to stay

Your idea of exporting jobs to latin america is establish factories over the border in mexico and then you say it doesn't work, you have fixed ideas, you just don't think out of the box

This idea of the work ethic has to go, employ them on piece rates and let them do as much or as little as they want, besides some of these places are tropical so the working day has to be viewed with a different perspective. These slave labour ideas, toiling from dusk to dawn have to go, very unamerican I know

I work with many of these countries on a daily basis... its a struggle to get some of them to do anything today much less now, Tomorrows the best to hope for and they would make it next week if they could get away with it. I used to work in manufacturing once upon a time after I graduated college... I know what it was like... and slave labor wasn't it. But income potential there did have its limits so I moved on to other things.

I know the idea of time zones and other priorities is a difficult concept for americans who think in terms of urgent and instant. Organisations also have principles of being consultative

I know the idea of time zones and other priorities is a difficult concept for americans who think in terms of urgent and instant. Organisations also have principles of being consultative

The work I do is global... And UTC is the time zone everyone works from. Though every so often someone tosses out a India Standard Time, Sao Paolo Time, Korea time, Guam Time etc, particularly when its in China or Russia with the time zones they have... then the head scratching starts to figure out how many hours ahead of or behind UTC that really is. Most of the time the people with the rush aren't even in the USA

I'm not referring to that, I can't even ring Perth at 9.00am EST and expect to find anyone in the office or try to speak to someone in the US earlier than 5.00 PM EST

If you think we are bad there... the Koreans make us look laid back. Everything for them is right now or they want it yesterday. VERY aggressive business people. But then their culture of serious competition even in schools and education feeds that.

Yes very dedicated people but then they had to be to reconstruct their country, eventually they will burn out