Hello again, Steve:

Couple things... Like my friend Henry, I too have no problem with the verdict, and I too don't think there's grounds for civil rights charges.

Nonetheless, stand your ground needs to be repealed. It's a license to kill black people.

Prior to stand your ground, our self defense laws allowed you to kill, if you had NO OTHER OPTION.. Stand your ground allows you to kill even if you HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. If you have a SAFE avenue of escape, sticking around to "stand your ground" ISN'T about self defense.. It's about kicking some a$$.

excon

Ok cripes... its a lisces to kill people before they can kill you... if it HAPPENS to be a black person tryuing to kill you... then so be it... they have no more right to try to kill you than a Hispanic.. an Asian, a white person or any other ethnic group does.

How about the black community learning committing crimes isn't a cultural thing or a cultural right... its a lack of respect thing.
And anyone that lacks the respect for others that feels this need to assault other people... usually smaller than they are... really deserves to get shot for not picking someone who is a closer physical match to themselves to assault.

But go ahead... without a stand your grould women won't be allowed to defend themselves against rapists either... they should just run home and hide there instead... assuming they can even get away..

I'm curious what part of the Stand your ground law allows us to single out blacks excusively to murder since you made that claim. Here all this time we could have been making money rounding up hunting expeditions to the inner cities for the good ole boys...

Lol, I can see where stand your ground makes you feel better, or like Clint Eastwood, "Make my day punk!', except you shoot first and justify it with "I was scared for my life". Feels good to shoot anyone who scares you doesn't it?

It allows you to defend yourself from the Punks like treyvon who have no use or respect for the law..

You know they people that actually DO deserve to die... because they don't have respect for others.


But then.. I hope the people who fight AGAINT the stand your ground laws... get their butts kicked bu thugs larger than they are... because after all... you don't have the right to defend yourself... same with your daughters, girlfriends and wives too. THey should just lay down and do whatever they are told. Because the rights of the criminal excede the rights of the law abiding citizen.

Hello again, smoothy:

Here's a short lesson on self defense laws. These were the laws BEFORE stand your ground displaced them..

If threatened, and there's a safe avenue of escape, you MUST take it. If there's NO safe avenue of escape, you may use deadly force to protect your life and property..

I'm sure you'll IGNORE this because it doesn't fit your pictures, but I thought I'd help you out and tell you what's so.

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Here's a short lesson on self defense laws. These were the laws BEFORE stand your ground displaced them..

If threatened, and there's a safe avenue of escape, you MUST take it. If there's NO safe avenue of escape, you may use deadly force to protect your life and property..

I'm sure you'll IGNORE this because it doesn't fit your pictures, but I thought I'd help you out and tell you what's so.

excon

Yeah... protect the criminals rights... this is what happens when the bullies in high school grow up and get elected politition... because thugs and bullies never pick on a bigger guy... they always pick on the smaller or older and weaker person.

Only a democrat would think the criminal has greater rights than the innoicent person.

How about if the criminals respect the law and other people and they won't be getting shot in the first place? Or do they just lack the mental capaicty do do that?

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things... Like my friend Henry, I too have no problem with the verdict, and I too don't think there's grounds for civil rights charges.

Nonetheless, stand your ground needs to be repealed. It's a license to kill black people.

Prior to stand your ground, our self defense laws allowed you to kill, if you had NO OTHER OPTION.. Stand your ground allows you to kill even if you HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. If you have a SAFE avenue of escape, sticking around to "stand your ground" ISN'T about self defense.. It's about kicking some a$$.

Excon

I get it, you guys didn't get the desired outcome of the trial forced by activists with the aide of the feds so the next best thing is attack SYG and distort it just like you did the whole tragedy.


The false narrative also makes it axiomatic that a black man in Zimmerman’s shoes wouldn’t stand a chance—especially if he had shot someone white. Never mind examples to the contrary, such as a 2009 case in Rochester, New York in which a black man, Roderick Scott, shot and killed an unarmed white teenager and was acquitted. Scott, who had caught 17-year-old Christopher Cervini and two other boys breaking into a car, said that the boy charged him and he feared for his life.

What about general patterns? In the New Republic article, Ford cites a report in the Tampa Bay Times showing that “stand your ground” self-defense claims in Florida are more successful for defendants who kill a black person (73 percent face no penalty, compared to 59 percent of those who kill a white person). But he leaves out a salient detail: since most homicides involve people of the same race, this also means more black defendants go free. Nor does he mention that another article based on the same study of “stand your ground” cases noted “no obvious bias” in the treatment of black defendants—or mixed-race homicides: “Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.”

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Of course you libs want America to believe that in reality most don't try to avoid confrontation and the ones that don't are a bunch of rednecks bent on whacking a black guy. The reality is retreat isn't always an option when some thug shows up, just ask the mom whose baby was shot in the face in its stroller by a black kid (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/22/unthinkable-evil-teen-intentionally-shoots-womans-13-month-old-baby-in-the-face-during-robbery-attempt/) that apparently still has no one in an uproar.

Treyvon had an obligation to retreat... he decided to assault instead.. he got what he deserved.

Just think of how much all the future victims of Treyvons crimes lives have improved.

And we got photographic evidence from Treyvons own phone of his numerous crimes he already committed.

Hello again, Steve:

The reality is retreat isn't always an option when some thug shows up,Couple things.. In terms of the trial, my only desired outcome was that justice is served, and it was...

Second, I don't know what's so difficult to understand about our old self defense laws. It you HAVE a safe avenue of escape, you MUST take it. If not, you may use deadly force. If the mom had been armed should could have shot the guy.

What's so hard about this?

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:

I'm curious what part of the Stand your ground law allows us to single out blacks excusively to murder since you made that claim.Not exclusively... But, I can't see you thinking it's about killing white people...

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
Couple things.. In terms of the trial, my only desired outcome was that justice is served, and it was...

Second, I dunno what's so difficult to understand about our old self defense laws. It you HAVE a safe avenue of escape, you MUST take it. If not, you may use deadly force. If the mom had been armed should could have shot the guy.

What's so hard about this?

excon

A) Why should I have to try and escape if I'm attacked?

B) Zimmerman would have likely gotten off had there been no SYG law, you just justified the use of deadly force either way.

Like I said, you LOST the battle over making it a racial case, you LOST the circus trial forced on us, so SYG is your next target. Why do you need a target in the first place? SYG merely tilts the balance toward the attacked, it is not a license to kill.

Hello again, Steve:

A) Why should I have to try and escape if I'm attacked?

B) Zimmerman would have likely gotten off had there been no SYG law, you just justified the use of deadly force either way. (A) You don't. You had the right to use deadly force BEFORE you were attacked. But, if it's only a THREAT, and you can escape, you MUST. And, why wouldn't you?

(B) I'm sure he would have.

(C) My belief that justice was served does NOT, in any way, justify Zimmerman's behavior. I don't carry water for the Justice system, the jury, the prosecutor, OR the defense attorney... Simply because THEY did thus and so, and because THEY concluded thus and so, does NOT mean I conclude thus and so.

Let me explain.. It's pretty simple... The threshold in a criminal case, is proof BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Nobody was there except Zimmerman. Even if a juror thought he was LYING through his teeth, (and I DO), without CORROBORATION, the juror COULDN'T have known who attacked who, BEYOND a reasonable doubt... It's an IMPOSSIBILITY. Indeed, there is PLENTY of doubt... That is the system at work.

Now, I'm absolutely positive the jury did NOT decide this case based on what I think it should have been decided on. But, they reached the right legal conclusion, even if the reasons may have been wrong.

SOME people however, believe that because the jury came back with a not guilty verdict, it means that every word out of Zimmerman's mouth was VERIFIED by the jury. I don't think that's what it means at all.

Excon

THis says it all about liberal... even even more so... black values..

Chicago Murder, Homicide & Crime 2013 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass! (http://www.heyjackass.com/)

No one should click on a link to a domain called heyjacka$$.

Really.. unless you don't want to see what the REAL crime statistics for Chicago are and how they break down... because that's ALL that's there, and they do it by the day... the week and the year...

But then you never hear about this on the drive by media... because they don't want the world to see how lberals behave when they are a supermajority.

And it demostrates the lefts hypocrisy about getting tiheir panties iin a knot over a legitimate case of self defense... while ignoring far worse behaviour every single day in just ONE city.

Hello again, Steve:
(A) You had the right to use deadly force BEFORE you were attacked. If it's only a THREAT, and you can escape, you MUST.

(B) I'm sure he would have.

(C) My belief that justice was served does NOT, in any way, justify Zimmerman's behavior. I don't carry water for the Justice system, the jury, the prosecutor, OR the defense attorney... Simply because THEY did thus and so, and because THEY concluded thus and so, does NOT mean I conclude thus and so.

Let me explain.. It's pretty simple... The threshold in a criminal case, is proof BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Nobody was there except Zimmerman. Even if a juror thought he was LYING through his teeth, without CORROBORATION, the juror COULDN'T have known who attacked who, BEYOND a reasonable doubt... It's an IMPOSSIBILITY. Indeed, there is PLENTY of doubt... That is the system at work.

Now, I'm absolutely positive the jury did NOT decide this case based on what I think it should have been decided on. But, they reached the right legal conclusion, even if the reasons may have been wrong.

SOME people however, believe that because the jury came back with a not guilty verdict, it means that every word out of Zimmerman's mouth was VERIFIED by the jury. I don't think that's what it means at all.

Excon

Pinned to the ground getting your head bashed on the concrete is past a threat, and I for one have never said what Zimmerman did was right or that I believed every word he says. I have yet to see any account by us wingers that even closely resembles your description of our response so I can only conclude that's yet another false narrative.

This however, is not... Eugene Volokh is a constitutional lawyer.



Duty to Retreat and Stand Your Ground: Counting the States (http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/17/duty-to-retreat/)

Eugene Volokh • July 17, 2013 10:11 am

People are talking about how common “stand your ground” states are compared to “duty to retreat” states, so I thought I’d do a bit of looking to see the current head count. First, let me explain what I mean by “duty to retreat,” which is something of a misnomer (though a very common one):

Say that a defendant is facing the risk of death or serious bodily injury (or rape or kidnapping or, in some states, robbery or some other crimes). And say that the defendant


1. is not in his home or other property that he owns or his place of business,
2. is in a place where he may lawfully be,
3. is not engaged in the commission of such crime, and
4. has not attacked the victim first or deliberately provoked the victim with the specific purpose of getting the victim to attack or threaten him.

In duty-to-retreat states, the defendant is not legally allowed to use deadly force to defend himself if the jury concludes that he could have safely avoided the risk of death or serious bodily injury (or the other relevant crimes) by retreating.

In stand-your-ground states, the defendant is legally allowed to use deadly force to defend himself without regard to whether the jury concludes that he could have safely avoided the risk of death or serious bodily injury (or the other relevant crimes) by retreating.

Relaxing criterion 1 above moves states into the stand-your-ground category; for instance, nearly all (and perhaps all) states don’t require retreat when the defender is in his own home, except in some narrow circumstances. Relaxing criterions 2 to 4 above moves states into the duty-to-retreat category, or even denies a right to self-defense regardless of whether the defendant tried to retreat. I’m speaking here of the core duty-to-retreat vs. stand-your-ground case, in which all four elements are satisfied.

As best I can tell, the current rule is that 19 states (plus D.C.) fall in the duty to retreat category, with the states being bunched up quite a bit geographically:

Northeast/Mid-Atlantic: Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island.
Midwest/Plains: Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Wisconsin.
West: Hawaii, Wyoming.

All the other states do not impose a duty to retreat. The rule in federal cases seems to be ambiguous.

This oversimplifies matters somewhat (Pennsylvania, for instance, imposes a duty to retreat only when the person whom the defendant is defending against has not displayed a “weapon readily or apparently capable of lethal use”); and I might have erred in classifying one or two states in either direction, since this is the result of a few hours’ worth of research and has not been fully cite-checked. Still, I think this reflects the general pattern:

1. The substantial majority view among the states, by a 31-19 margin, is no duty to retreat. Florida is thus part of this substantial majority on this point. And most of these states took this view even before the recent spate of “stand your ground” statutes, including the Florida statute.

2. There is however a significant minority in favor of a duty to retreat.

3. Of course, none of this tells us what the right rule ought to be.

I believe the balance should be rightly tilted in favor of the attacked, not the attacker.

Hello again,

If you'd be amenable to changing the name of the law from Stand Your Ground, to Killing the A$$holes law, I'd support it.

excon

Really..unless you don't want to see what... No, just from a computer security standpoint. In the same vein as shying away from .ru domains.

No, just from a computer security standpoint. In the same vein as shying away from .ru domains.

This one is safe... with the firewalls and stuff I deal with at my office... if it was hoaky... it would have been raising flags...

I can't get into a lot of sites from here as a result of those.

Hello again,

If you'd be amenable to changing the name of the law from Stand Your Ground, to Killing the A$$holes law, I'd support it.

excon

In Texas it's just called self-defense (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/2/9/C/9.31). Your portrayal as a "license to kill" law is just another false narrative.

I think the left is more concerned about the criminal element being able to continue committing crimes without fear of consequences so they can continue to vote multiple times on elections.

Meanwhile the ACLU rather quickly walked back its initial response to the verdict. As much as they wanted to make this about blacks not being able to get justice their previous position on double jeopardy got in the way.

It went from this:


“Last night’s verdict casts serious doubt on whether the legal system truly provides equal protection of the laws to everyone regardless of race or ethnicity,” ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said in a statement on July 14, the day after the Florida jury’s verdict. “This case reminds us that It is imperative that the Department of Justice thoroughly examine whether the Martin shooting was a federal civil rights violation or hate crime.”

To this:


That call came even though the ACLU’s long-standing policy, restored in 1993 after the King debate, explicitly rejects such an option. “There should be no exception to double jeopardy principles simply because the same offense may be prosecuted by two different sovereigns,” the policy says.

Romero’s statement stirred concern among some civil libertarians that in a rush to join the chorus of outrage over the Zimmerman verdict, the group had turned its back on the policy it settled on two decades ago.

In an apparent attempt to stem the controversy, a top ACLU official wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday to make clear that the group does not favor a second prosecution of Zimmerman in federal court.

“We are writing to clearly state the ACLU’s position on whether or not the Department of Justice (DOJ) should consider bringing federal civil rights or hate crimes charges as a result of the state court acquittal in the George Zimmerman case,” Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU’s Washington office, wrote.

“The ACLU believes the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and that should be the end of the criminal case,” she wrote.

Read more: For the ACLU, George Zimmerman case is awkward déjà vu - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/for-the-aclu-george-zimmerman-case-is-awkward-deja-vu-94518.html#ixzz2ZnOe4doy)

Glad to see them come to their senses.

Don't hold your breath... its not going to last long... any sort of sense (common or otherwise) is something that is in very short supply at the ACLU.

You just can't make this up, although judging by the comments on the article that's exactly what the detractors believe...


George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432)

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of a family of four -- two parents and two children -- trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. At approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

Come on admit it, you believe it was staged.

Meanwhile, even his parents are in hiding because of allegedly receiving "an enormous amount of death threats."

Zimmerman's Parents in Hiding from 'Enormous Amount of Death Threats': ABC News Exclusive (http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmermans-parents-hiding-enormous-amount-death-threats-abc/story?id=19670456)

Didn't I say something about more than one family being affected by all this?

You'd only see Trayvons homies helping at an accident if it was an armoured car that rolled and they would have been picking up the money because of the unsightly litter out of the spirit of enviromentalizm..

"Come on admit it, you believe it was staged. "

Either that or George Zimmerman has a marvelous sense of timing - in many ways.

I can't think of why a mom and dad would intentionally roll their SUV so Zimmerman could rescue them.


On Wednesday, July 17 at about 5:45 PM Sanford Police responded to a single car accident (http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/07/22/Zimmerman-Saves-Family-of-Four-in-Florida-Car-Crash) in the area of I- 4 and State Road 46 in Sanford. A blue Ford Explorer SUV traveled off the road and rolled over. There were four occupants inside the vehicle, two parents and two children. An eyewitness to the accident told Breitbart News the SUV lost control in front of the witness's car. The SUV later caught fire.

The deputy reported, when he arrived on the scene that one of the two men helping the family was George Zimmerman. According to Sanford Police Zimmerman had a fire extinguisher with him. The eyewitness told Breitbart News he helped assist the family out of the vehicle and put out the fire with the extinguisher.

"Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash, which was why he was not referenced in the police report," a Sanford Police spokeswoman told Breitbart News. "He left after making contact with the deputy. There were no reports of injuries of any of the vehicle's occupants," she said.

An eyewitness to the accident told Breitbart News that people on the scene recognized Zimmerman and thanked him for his help before he left.

Zimmerman's location has been unknown since he was found "not guilty" of second degree murder and manslaughter of Trayvon Martin recently.

Must be the timing. But then, it's entirely in line with his past history unlike the twisted version we hear about. Take this for example:


In this narrative, even Zimmerman’s concern for a black child—a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, “compl[ainant] concerned for well-being”—has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as “an edgy basket case” who called 911 about “the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.” This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

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"I can't think of why a mom and dad would intentionally roll their SUV so Zimmerman could rescue them."

I'll believe it when I see the Police Report. Note that the Police are repeating what the eye witness said: "The eyewitness told Breitbart News he helped assist the family out of the vehicle and put out the fire with the extinguisher." I've had witnesses think Elvis helped them out of the car.

Maybe I'll just follow Zimmerman around with a camera and tape recorder and give up the rest of my business.

Pretty elaborate hoax and apparently the Seminole County Sheriff's office is in on it.

"I can't think of why a mom and dad would intentionally roll their SUV so Zimmerman could rescue them."

I'll believe it when I see the Police Report. Note that the Police are repeating what the eye witness said: "The eyewitness told Breitbart News he helped assist the family out of the vehicle and put out the fire with the extinguisher." I've had witnesses think Elvis helped them out of the car.

Maybe I'll just follow Zimmerman around with a camera and tape recorder and give up the rest of my business.

From what was stated this makes me believe he was at least on the scene.

"Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash, which was why he was not referenced in the police report," a Sanford Police spokeswoman told Breitbart News. "He left after making contact with the deputy. There were no reports of injuries of any of the vehicle's occupants," she said.

So this Zimmerman character has a heart, is a good citizen, what ever, boring

It goes against the false narrative that condemned him.

It goes against the false narrative that condemned him.

But he wasn't condemned he was acquitted, in other words he was just a good citizen doing what good citizens and good republicans do, seeking out offenders and evil dooooers just like Superman

AFTERBURNER w/ BILL WHITTLE: The Lynching - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls&feature=youtu.be)

Goes into and shows all the evidence the lefty press refused to print, all of which is publicly accessible... that the brain damaged naysayers that think Trayvon is destined to become the next Saint.

Hey neither Trayvon or Zimmerman were saints just in the wrong place at the wrong time

Hey neither Trayvon or Zimmerman were saints just in the wrong place at the wrong time

Treyvon is responsible for this because HE started it... Zimmerman had the right to defend himself after that. Evidence proved it.. the Court decided it. End of story.

Zimmerman has a track record of helping people... Treyvon has a track record of crime and helping no one but himself.

The Jury spoke...

Zimmerman helped Trayvon to avoid a life of crime

Zimmerman helped Trayvon to avoid a life of crime

I look at it like he is saving an unknown number of future victims of Treyvons crimes.

Yes it all turned out well in the end and Zimmerman goes on his helping way

So this Zimmerman character has a heart, is a good citizen, what ever, boring

Or he could've stayed in his car and not do anything until the police showed up...

Except Zimmerman was a resident there... and.had the right to walk around... and the fact 911 call center operators aren't the police or agents of the court and have no legal authority to demand anyone do anything... all they can do is suggest.

Except Zimmerman was a resident there....and.had the right to walk around...and the fact 911 call center operators aren't the police or agents of the court and have no legal authority to demand anyone do anything...all they can do is suggest.
I think it all boils down to the gun. Had Zimmerman not had one, he would have stayed in his vehicle and let the police do their job. Because he had one, that gave him the courage to do his own investigating.

Via a coworker, "America, the only place where a brown guy can shoot a black guy and a white guy gets blamed for it."

I think it all boils down to the gun. Had Zimmerman not had one, he would have stayed in his vehicle and let the police do their job. Because he had one, that gave him the courage to do his own investigating.

He like many of us other Americans had the right to have a gun... he was licensed to carry it... something with his criminal record Treyvon would never be allowed to do. Had he not attacked the wrong person.

He was under NO legal or moral obligation to stay in his car... the town of Safford has TWICE the average crime rate of the USA... and he rightfully had the duty to do what he could to protect his stuf and his neighbors. He actually had MORE of a right to be walking around that gated community than Treyvon had.

And it all bouild down to a 17 year old punk with a bad attitude and no moral companss biting off more than he could chew. THe concept of "measured response" is a liberal one... and one that has never worked... Korea... Vietnam... and now Iraq and Afghanistan are shining examples of why tying ones hand behind their back to give their opponent a fair fight doesn't work.

A criminal when they attack someone.. needs to think what if they are armed... I might get killed before they decide to go through... and a victim doesn't have to think... I can't use my gun because he doesn't have one... BS... if you are being attacked.. you have the right to use everything at your disposal, rock.. 2X4, steel pipe, knife... or a gun.

As I've said before... I've been there... only it was two people and not just one... I put one in intensive care with a steel bar a witness tossed me... If I had a gun I'd have used it... I've never second guessed my decision or thought about "what if"... because It was my right... and I exercised it.

And 17 year olds are old enough to be charged as adults I'm most cases and are every day.

If someone was nosing around MY back yard or my neighbors... I'd do the same thing.

Even though I'd get a better police response time where I live than in the high crime Safford.

He like many of us other Americans had the right to have a gun...he was liscensed to carry it...
I'm just saying the gun ownership made all the difference in Zimmerman's being willing to leave his vehicle. When he first saw him, Zimmerman had no clue who Martin was, his criminal background if any, his age, his reason for being in that place at that time.

I'm just saying the gun ownership made all the difference in Zimmerman's being willing to leave his vehicle. When he first saw him, Zimmerman had no clue who Martin was, his criminal background if any, his age, his reason for being in that place at that time.

Lets just say... there is a reason Colt was called the Equalizer... no longer did the people born physically smaller (male or female) need to live in fear of the physically larger aggressive bullies of the world.

And quite honestly.. its made the world a better place.

Lets just say...there is a reason Colt was called the Equalizer....no longer did the people born physically smaller (male or female) need to live in fear of the agressive bullies of the world.
Zimmerman didn't know Martin was going to be an "aggressive bully."

Zimmerman didn't know Martin was going to be an "aggressive bully."

That's why you have a concieled carry... in case you need it.

He didn't shoot Treyvon first... he didn't even draw his gun until his head was being bashed into the concrete.

I think Zimmerman expressed great restraint. Far more than I would have.

Zimmerman was hunting bear and he found one as usual they can be aggressive

he didn't even draw his gun until his head was being bashed into the concrete.
We have only Zimmerman's report of how it all went down.

zimmerman was hunting bear and he found one as usual they can be aggressive

Well if the bear had stayed in the woods... it would still be pooping in the woods.

We have only Zimmerman's report of how it all went down.

No... we have eye witness reports... we have Treyvons girlfriend who was talking to treyvon when he assaulted Zimmerman.. and SHE told the world that Treyvon instigated the fight... as a prosecution witness.
With the famous.. "I'm going to teach that crazy white cracker a lesson". Which also showed Treyvon was a racist.

We have ample evidence that backs up 100% of all of it.

No...we have eye witness reports...
We have no idea of what happened after Zimmerman left his vehicle and what he said to Martin and what Martin may have said to him that then led to the physical confrontation.

We have no idea of what happened after Zimmerman left his vehicle and what he said to Martin and what Martin may have said to him that then led to the physical confrontation.

We do... you might not but all of this is public information... the jury saw it... Treyvons girlfriend testified about it and the video is out there... we do know what happened.

Treyvons girlfriend was talking to him when he said some creapy white cracker was following him and he was going to teach him a lesson... thats what Treyvon told her... thats what she told the world.

THere is no doubt Treyvon was the aggressor... the contents of his cellphone that the prosecution withheld from the defense as evidence (the IT guy released them after the trial and was fired for doing it. Show treyvon was a burgler... had photos of him with piles a stolen jewelry on his bed , there were numerous texts about him causing fights... etc.

There is more proof available to the public Treyvon instigated this and was the criminal he is reported to be,. than than that Obama ever attended Harvard.

I don't get the problem here there was a hearing and for whatever reason zimmerman was acquitted. Is someone trying to clear trayvon's somewhat dubious reputation?

You know the left can't let anything go.. they are using this to project all their issues into the debate ;gun control ,stand your ground laws ,racism... etc. Even the emperor said that it was unlikely that they would pursue civil rights prosecution against Zimmerman despite the pressure being put to bear by the race baiters. Friday the emperor made a fairly presidential address on the case because he feared massive demonstrations on the Al Sharpton 100 city day of outrage. Well this nation is post-racial and there was nothing there . The majority of the country knows this is all just a lot of smoke blowing .

I don't get the problem here there was a hearing and for whatever reason zimmerman was acquited. Is someone trying to clear trayvon's somewhat dubious reputation?

In a nutshell... there is a certain crowd that believes no black person in the history of the earth has ever committed a trqansgression much less a crime...

And they want Zimmerman who isn't a black to pay for a crime that never happened. Just because they think they are owed something. Guilt or innocence mean nothing to this crowd.

In another time these are the people who lynched people and burned witches at the stake.

You and I know its always the white guys fault

you know the left can't let anything go.

Oh yeah, they can let their perverts off the hook.

Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130702-905033.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

The indictment of Corey, which was handed down last week (see Citizens Grand Jury (http://www.citizensgrandjury.com)), charges Corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who whipped up wrath against Zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

Following Corey's criminal complaint charging Zimmerman, legal experts such as Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries Zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge- article-1.1080161).

Yeah nice going Florida, Zimmerman and gangbanger kill and go free, but an abused mom gets 20 years. Alec and conservatives are lousy law makers and obviously apply the law by the most stupid of standards.

Well, like everything else with libs it doesn't matter if their actions are "unethical" and/or criminal, as long their guys are in power and do their bidding anything goes.

SO maybe we can resume going after Bill Clinton for his stunts in office he never served time for and Obama for his racist rants then since the law really doesn't matter any more.

ZImmerman killed a black thug who deserved it... I'm glad he did it... someone needs to take out Trayvons parents too,. its obvious now where he learned his behaviour from.

SO I assume since FOUR people and not just ONE died in Benghazi... we can count on your support to string up Obama and Hillary both for that... since 4 law abiding citizens are worth for more than one criminal punk was.


That prosecuter actually violated the law... Zimmerman didn't.

someone needs to take out Trayvosn parents tooMaybe that can be you. Or are you too scared?

Maybe that can be you. Or are you too scared?

If they get in my face like their degenerate spawn Trayvon did I would in a heartbeat. And I'd have every legal right to do it too.

Go for it!

http://i.qkme.me/3oijn5.jpg

Um, before anyone says anything else saying Trayvon's parents need to be taken out too is just wrong.

Now, it's come to this...


Retired Florida minister named George Zimmermann getting death threats due to mistaken identity
(http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/25/retired-florida-pastor-george-zimmermann-reportedly-getting-death-threats-due/#ixzz2a9tCdGF4)
George Zimmermann’s life just hasn’t been the same since that fateful February night in Florida last year.

George A. Zimmermann, a 78-year-old retired pastor now living in DeLand, Fla. has reportedly been receiving death threats since George Zimmerman, 29, fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford on Feb. 26, 2012, WFTV.com reports. Most recently, on Saturday, one caller told him to dig a six-foot hole.

“Hey [expletive], you’re the one who killed Trayvon Martin, when your [expletive] get[s] out, you’re dead,” Zimmermann recalled. “Wherever you go, you’re dead. Where ever you’re trying to hide, you’re dead … You think you’re free. You’re not.”

Zimmermann, who retired to Florida after leaving his post at Georgetown United Methodist Church in Paradise, Fla. could not be reached for comment on Thursday.

“A couple of friends of mine said, ‘hey, report it, in case anything were to happen at a later date, it’s on the record,’” Zimmermann told WFTV.com.

Zimmermann doesn’t engage the callers other than to say that they have the wrong guy, but he never receives an apology, he said.

“I guess if it made them feel better to vent, that’s fine,” he said. “I can live with it.”

Zimmermann, who has reported the harassment to the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office, said he just wants the calls — some of which have come from Tampa and Orlando — to stop.

“The night of the verdict, I had one at 1 in the morning which woke me up; was pretty nasty,” he continue. “Another at 3 in the morning.”

SMH...

Proof the Trayvon supporters really don't deserve to be considered part of the human race... some wild animals behave more civilized.

Proof the Trayvon supporters really don't deserve to be considered part of the human raceThen take them out!

Then take them out!

We do.. thanks to our legal right to own guns and defend ourselves, something some countries don't have leaving them vulnerable to the criminal element.

Bah, you're all talk no action.

Hello again, smoothy:

Just a recap. You're wrong on what happened in the Zimmerman trial, and you're wrong on everything else... Plus, your racism and hatred for all things black is disgusting...

That's all. Continue to make an a$$ of yourself.

excon

Bah, you're all talk no action.

How do YOU know... you don't.
With all the guns I own... you think I'd let a Trayvon steal my stuff? Or act like a thung with me?

He'd get shot.. and I wouldn't wait until my head was being bashed into the concrete before I did it.

In any case If I wasn't near my guns... I do carry a VERY sharp knife that opens one handed... I wouldn't hesitate to use.

Oh.. I have no reluctance to do anything to win... kick him in the balls... gouge his eyes out... beat him with any object I can get my hands on...

Because I've been in that situation before... so I know what I could and would do... its been a lot of years... but nothing has changed... except I am more sick and tired of that element than I was even then.

Once again:

http://i.qkme.me/3oijn5.jpg

As others have told you before...


Bite me.

You can wait for Dudley Do-Right to ride in and save the day (maybe)... We preffer to take care of it ourselves.

http://demotivate.me/mediafiles/500/demotivational-poster-rcmp_119201274928am.jpg

Not all blacks are incapible of seeing things the way they really are... and here is one. We don't hear enough from people like him.

Lightning Rod NYC Pastor's Stunningly Confrontational Sermon on Trayvon Martin: 'You See the World Through Your Black Eyes' | Video | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/18/lightning-rod-nyc-pastors-stunningly-confrontational-sermon-on-trayvon-martin-you-see-the-world-through-your-black-eyes/)

And he tells it like it is...

start looking at it through the “blood of Jesus.”Which means nothing at all.


It should be noted that Manning is an outspoken critic of President Barack Obama (which is really an understatement as he regularly refers to the president as “long-legged mack daddy” and compares him to Hitler and Satan) Well smoothy found a kindred spirit who thinks like him, hence the use of this guy as an example.

Which means nothing at all.

Well smoothy found a kindred spirit who thinks like him, hence the use of this guy as an example.

Means nothing to you... You only recognize Obama as a Religious deity.

Besides... exactly WHO elected Sharpton OR Jackson to speak for all blacks anyway? And when were those elections held?

start looking at it through the “blood of Jesus.”
Which means nothing at all.

To you it means nothing, to them it speaks volumes and fortunately I can interpret - but I won't get too deep for you. It means putting others first with an attitude of love and forgiveness, which you would never get because you'd rather just denigrate others and their beliefs.

Yeah nice going Florida, Zimmerman and gangbanger kill and go free, but an abused mom gets 20 years. Alec and conservatives are lousy law makers and obviously apply the law by the most stupid of standards.

BooHoo. That abused mom asked for 20 years due to stupidity. They offered her less and she didn't take it. She wanted to take her chances with the system. She lost. She had nothing to stand on from the beginning. She should have taken the plea bargin she was offered and be done with it.

It means putting others first with an attitude of love and forgiveness, which you would never get because you'd rather just denigrate others and their beliefs.On this forum you do none of the former and a lot of the latter. One of the reasons religion is losing its hold of people.

You only recognize Obama as a Religious deity.You'll spout anything LOL. That was kind of funny.

On this forum you do none of the former and a lot of the latter. One of the reasons religion is losing its hold of people.

Yeah well, Jesus minced no words with hypocrites either and you're the worst of the worst. If you ever have a change of heart I'll be as forgiving as he was.

You'll spout anything LOL. That was kinda funny.

Makes a whole lot more sense than a lot of what you spout. To those that can grasp the meaning of what I said anyway.

Jesus minced no words with hypocrites either and you're the worst of the worst.I'll take that challenge, whee am I a hypocrite?

It's weird that you realize and admit that you spew venom here and make no attempt to change your ways.

...what you spoutLike what?

I'll take that challenge, whee am I a hypocrite?


That's too easy, like when you accuse of others spewing venom after spewing venom.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/its-come-rev-2-a-741180-92.html#post3514854


It's weird that you realize and admit that you spew venom here and make no attempt to change your ways.

Did you get that from the Bible?

Like what?

Just pick about 1/2 of your responses lately.

If you hadn't heard, many in the media have run with the meme that a juror said Zimmerman got away with murder. Uh no. It was artful editing by ABC, she was fed the words.

Did George Zimmerman get away with murder? No. Juror B29 is being framed. - Slate Magazine (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/did_george_zimmerman_get_away_with_murder_no_juror _b29_is_being_framed.single.html)

The media has no shame.

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things.. I saw some of the interview, and I don't see HOW they could edit it.. Nonetheless, if they did, it'll become clear shortly. Certainly, she'll be interviewed again.

But, I don't understand your investment in George Zimmerman. I have NO investment in Trayvon. I have an investment in LAW, and how it's applied. I have an OPINION on what happened, but because we have only ONE side, an OPINION is all ANYBODY could have... That would be unless you believed every word out of Zimmerman's mouth. Even then, it wouldn't be FACT. It would be your BELIEF.

Although, my OPINION is that Zimmerman got away with murder. It's also my opinion that the jury reached the correct verdict..

excon

Ex... I bet you wouldn't have thought it was murder if Treyvon was bashing your head on the sidewalk before you killed him.

Murder is NOT the same as killing someone in self defense.. The latter is legally and morally justified... the former indicates there was never such a justification.

Hello again, smoothy:

I don't stutter. I BELIEVE Zimmerman is a murdering SOB.

Ex

Ex....I bet you wouldn't have thought it was murder if Treyvon was bashing your head on the sidewalk before you killed him.

Murder is NOT the same as killing someone in self defense.. The latter is legally and morally justified...the former indicates there was never such a justification.

If I was a neighbor hood watch captain I would have had the good sense to sit tight for the cops to handle their business and never put myself in the position of getting my kicked and having to shoot. After calling a cop I would have called my fellow watch neighbors and we all would have coordinated safely following a prearranged plan just for these situations.

He is guilty of being an idiot and got away with murder and you don't need a jury to convict him of stupidity that resulted in a dead kid. I don't like the verdict or the law, or the ignorance of the fool who started this crap, or the blatant disregard for the obvious fact that he could have done a better job of being a NW captain in the first place.

That's a damn shame on top of this tragedy.

Hello again, smoothy:

I don't stutter. I BELIEVE Zimmerman is a murdering SOB.

ex
I highly doubt you would just lay there and let someone beat you to death. No matter what you might be claiming.

Gandhi you aren't.

If I was a neighbor hood watch captain I would have had the good sense to sit tight for the cops to handle their business and never put myself in the position of getting my kicked and having to shoot. After calling a cop I would have called my fellow watch neighbors and we all would have coordinated safely following a prearranged plan just for these situations.

He is guilty of being an idiot and got away with murder and you don't need a jury to convict him of stupidity that resulted in a dead kid. I don't like the verdict or the law, or the ignorance of the fool who started this crap, or the blatant disregard for the obvious fact that the could have done a better job of being a NW captain in the first place.

That's a damn shame on top of this tragedy.

Well... Zimmerman'[s got more of a right to kill a thug who was violating the law by assaulting him... and also for trying to kill him than that thug has... period. Its in the constitution... its in the law... if you don't like it... tough.

The world knows Treyvon was a Black racist... his fat girlfriend told us on the witness stand under oath... its in text messages on his own cell phone.

Amazing how liberals play this BS claim about how passive and non-violent they are... yet MOST crime is committed in Liberal majority areas.

Are liberals capable of grasping the concept of what self defense is?

The world knows Treyvon was a Black racist...his fat girlfriend told us on the witness stand under oath...its in text messages on his own cell phone.
Zimmerman didn't know that when he caught sight of and accosted Martin.

He didn't need to, all he needed to know was here was a person who he regarded as behaving supiciously. Zimmerman was a police tragic and took too much upon himself. The outcome ultimately led to confrontation.

Many of us live in a society where if we see certain people we keep an eye on them because they are out of place and as a class have a reputation for larceny.


Someone wants to tell us we don't have a right to be supicious but experience tells us otherwise. What Zimmerman did wasn't racist it was class warfare

Zimmerman didn't know that when he caught sight of and accosted Martin.

Do you have absolutely ANY proof at all that actually happened... because not even the prosecution was capable of making that claim.

The FACT is Treyvon assaulted ZImmerman... the evidence was there... witnesses backed it up... Tryvons Girlfriend even said Treyvon attacked ZImmerman...

She flat out told the planet that Treyvon told here he was going to teach the creepy white cracker a lesson..,.

Its in the PROSECUTIONS testimony... not the defenses... Google it up... there are dozens of videos of her saying it on UTube.

He didn't need to, all he needed to know was here was a person who he regarded as behaving supiciously. Zimmerman was a police tragic and took too much upon himself. The outcome ultimately led to confrontation.

many of us live in a society where if we see certain people we keep an eye on them because they are out of place and as a class have a reputation for larceny.


Someone wants to tell us we don't have a right to be supicious but experience tells us otherwise. What Zimmerman did wasn't racist it was class warfare

BullS***.

Zimmerman was actually a RESIDENT of that GATED community... He did NOT have a criminal record... HIS right to be there at any time of the day or night is absolute... and beyond question.

TREYVON was NOT a resident there... and had less than NO right to assault ANYONE.. period... end of story.

What Treyvon was... was a criminal... (thats a proven fact)... he had a Bad attitude and asked for this to happen... in fact Treyvon BEGGED for this to happen.

I'm glad he's dead... in fact I hope everyone shoots every punk like that to death.. instead of letting them get arrested for their crime. The world will be a better place if they are taken out of it sooner.

Wastes of human flesh like Treyvon do not.. contrary to what the criminal lovers might thing.. do NOT have the right to commit ANY crime at all... and that includes laying a hand on another person... stealing their stuff... vandalizing their stuff. Or assaulting another human.

And they don't have any right to survive any attempt they make to assault another person. And in fact shouldn't.

TREYVON was NOT a resident there
No, but he was a guest of a homeowner. Do the homeowners have to report to Zimmerman and company if they have guests over for parties or overnight?

No, but he was a guest of a homeowner. Do the homeowners have to report to Zimmerman and company if they have guests over for parties or overnight?.

IF they were planning to commit and assault.. then yes they were.

If Treyvon had a shred of common sense or respect... he would have simply answered a legitimate question about what he was doing there... 'But being a Black with some attitude like he was above the law.. he instead decided he has the right to assault someone... proving he really was dumb as a stump and not Mr. Smart like some claimed.

Well a 17 year old will be charged as an adult for most crimes they commit... and if he was big enough man to pick a fight... he was a big enough man to deal with the fact real "MEN" are entitled to carry a gun if they apply for... qualify for... and are granted a permit to carry one.

Something Treyvon with his record would never have been allowed to do.

Know what... Treyvon was a fool for biting off more than he could chew... and the human gene pool is a little better as a result.

If I was there.. I'd have shot Treyvon BEFORE my head hit the pavement the first time...

Zimmerman was by every legal definition in the right for the self defense claim from the moment Treyvon first struck him... which as has been proven in court... Treyvon was who initiated the fight.

If Treyvon had a shred of common sense or respect...he would have simply answered a legitimate question about what he was doing there....
We know Zimmerman asked him that? -- and then turned around and walked back to his vehicle?

We know Zimmerman' accosted Martin'. ?

we know Zimmerman' accosted Martin'. ?
accost = approach and address (someone) boldly or aggressively. (Dictionary.com)

Did Zimmerman ask Martin what he was doing there (it's a multi-ethnic community)? And Martin had no more clue who Zimmerman was than Zimmerman did about who Martin was.

Technically a correct definition ,however the use of the word is designed to deceive . According to testimony it was Martin who approached Zimmerman when he had the option to avoid direct confrontation. Then it was Martin who first 'accosted ' by asking Zimmerman boldly or aggressively why he was following him.

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things.. I saw some of the interview, and I don't see HOW they could edit it.. Nonetheless, if they did, it'll become clear shortly. Certainly, she'll be interviewed again.

But, I don't understand your investment in George Zimmerman. I have NO investment in Trayvon. I have an investment in LAW, and how it's applied. I have an OPINION on what happened, but because we have only ONE side, an OPINION is all ANYBODY could have... That would be unless you believed every word out of Zimmerman's mouth. Even then, it wouldn't be FACT. It would be your BELIEF.

Although, my OPINION is that Zimmerman got away with murder. It's also my opinion that the jury reached the correct verdict..

excon

The unedited video makes it clear.

technically a correct definition ,however the use of the word is designed to deceive . According to testimony it was Martin who approached Zimmerman when he had the option to avoid direct confrontation. Then it was Martin who first 'accosted ' by asking Zimmerman boldly or aggressively why he was following him.
Technically, no, it's not about deception.

And if you were black and some heavyset white guy was following you on a dark rainy night, what would you do?

(P.S. We have only one person's word about this.)

He isn't white, that's the deception.

He isn't white, that's the deception.
On a dark, rainy night (his face would have looked like the moon) or in a courtroom, you could have fooled me. Latinos are listed as Caucasian in ethnic surveys. Oh, and in Chicago, Latinos and blacks hate each other.

And if you were black and some heavyset white guy was following you on a dark rainy night, what would you do?
can't speak for what a black would do... I would run like hell and do everything I can to avoid a confrontation. But things about Martin that the judge ruled inadmissible tells me that he liked to fight.. he liked to see his opponent bleed .
Breaking – Jury will not get to see Trayvon fighting texts (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/breaking-jury-will-not-get-to-see-trayvon-fighting-texts/)

Hello again, tom:

he liked to see his opponent bleed . Yeah, he should have been killed. I would have killed him just because of his hoodie.. Gold teeth - KILL HIM!

Excon

I of course said nothing of the kind.

Hello again, tom:

I of course said nothing of the kind.I didn't say you did.

Excon

We all understand, the ones with common sense anyway, the conservative notion of self defense that allow and empowers fearful so called citizens the ability to act outside the law and accepted good behavior and common sense to old west small town justice against anything that they fear, or don't like. I can understand the need to justify such action by completely ignoring the actions of the gun toting vigilante who was the only witness left standing while vilifying his victim because its real simple, if Zimmerman went to jail, then the scab of stupidity, and knee jerk fear would have been ripped off for all to see the true agenda that the gun manufacturers and their law writing political groups on the ones they scare into buying guns and act with false courage the guns brings.

Then conservatives and bought politicians will have to acknowledge they have been riled up and played to sell more gun, and use them. How else can you explain how a bloody nose and some bumps and bruise is a justification to kill a kid? How else can you explain how a kid in a hoodie is a threat that had to be eliminated? How else can you explain the fact that knowing the cops were coming the dumba$$ with the gun was in fear of his life anyway?

How else do you explain the law itself, that gives anyone the right to kill because they were afraid. I guess its not enough to defend home, now we can kill anything we don't like and just say we were in fear, and use the self defense BS to not be responsible. The thug was responsible so we have to make sure he was a thug after you kill him because there was no evidence of being a thug other than his clothes before he was killed.

But there was evidence that the killer was a very flawed self appointed arbiter of what's right and what's wrong, and broke every accepted rule of responsible behavior that led him to kill and get away with it. But it's not surprising at all because that's who the law was written specifically for. Those that act out of fear and stupidity, and encouraged to kill first and plead self defense later. Helps a lot if daddy is a retired judge, and you can get a good lawyer.

But fact remains Zimmerman ain't the hero the right wing paints him to be. But he is the hero he needs to be to the scared fringes who cling to their guns and fears, and simple stupidity. I also understand they will never admit that not even to themselves because its always somebody else's fault when they screw up.

Bottom line, to do the right thing, you have to know what it is in the first place. Something the Zimmermans of the world will never understand, so more will die until they do.

So in other words you would sacrifice justice and the rule of law to advance your political agendas like gun control.

Hello again, tal:

But it's not surprising at all because that's who the law was written specifically for. Those that act out of fear and stupidity, and encouraged to kill first and plead self defense later. Truer words were never said..

Before ALEC and the NRA, our self defense laws worked just fine.. Nobody was killed who shouldn't have been killed, and nobody was put in danger because of the law. I HATE laws, but that one worked pretty good. Frankly, I see NOTHING wrong with it...

MACHO right wingers would ask, "why should you have to run away?" I would answer, "because he MIGHT have a bigger gun than you".

Excon

so in other words you would sacrifice justice and the rule of law to advance your political agendas like gun control.

Don't call what Zimmerman did justice, nor equate it with the rule of law. Its neither. "Stand your ground" is nothing but a smoke screen to allow scared people to buy guns, use them, and not be responsible for their actions in any way.

He wasn't defending his home against any threat, he wasn't even competently doing a public service. He was trained like anyone getting a conceal and carry permit to shoot first, and claim self defense, get your gun back, and do it again.

Gun control?? We can't even tighten up accountability to know who has a gun, so again fear derides good common sense, and promotes the notion that somebody is coming for your guns so keep them free flowing and available to the good guys, and bad, and the utterly stupid, and irresponsible, and insane.

That only makes sense to the far fringes of humans.

so in other words you would sacrifice justice and the rule of law to advance your political agendas like gun control.

Dems will sacrifice most anything or anyone to advance their agenda, except their perverts - they sacrifice the victims instead.

Hello again, steve:

Dems will sacrifice most anything or anyone to advance their agenda, except their perverts - they sacrifice the victims instead.You're sounding more and more like smoothy every day. That ain't a POSITIVE step.

Excon

Don't call what Zimmerman did justice, nor equate it with the rule of law. Its neither. "Stand your ground" is nothing but a smoke screen to allow scared people to buy guns, use them, and not be responsible for their actions in any way.

He wasn't defending his home against any threat, he wasn't even competently doing a public service. He was trained like anyone getting a conceal and carry permit to shoot first, and claim self defense, get your gun back, and do it again.

Gun control???? We can't even tighten up accountability to know who has a gun, so again fear derides good common sense, and promotes the notion that somebody is coming for your guns so keep them free flowing and available to the good guys, and bad, and the utterly stupid, and irresponsible, and insane.

That only makes sense to the far fringes of humans.

More proof of what I said. He acted completely within the law. And this trial had nothing to do with SYG . But your side is still harping on that as it has been since day one even though it was never brought up as a legitimate defense. What would you do ; nullfy self defense laws too ? Or maybe you hoped the jury would nullify the law , like they nullified the law when they acquitted Lemrick Nelson Jr. for the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum .

more proof of what I said. He acted completely within the law. And this trial had nothing to do with SYG . But your side is still harping on that as it has been since day one even though it was never brought up as a legitimate defense. What would you do ; nullfy self defense laws too ? Or maybe you hoped the jury would nullify the law , like they nullified the law when they acquitted Lemrick Nelson Jr. for the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum .
I don't remember if anyone has mentioned this, but what if it had been Martin getting his head pounded into the pavement and Zimmerman who got shot with his own gun after he had pulled it out? That would have been self defense.

We can speculate until the cows come home.

What ifs are great games on rainy days . The answer is that yes ;IF Zimmerman was pounding Martins face with his fists while straddling him AND hitting his head against the pavement ,then it would've also been self defense for Martin to shoot Zimmerman.

more proof of what I said. He acted completely within the law. And this trial had nothing to do with SYG . But your side is still harping on that as it has been since day one even though it was never brought up as a legitimate defense. What would you do ; nullfy self defense laws too ? Or maybe you hoped the jury would nullify the law , like they nullified the law when they acquitted Lemrick Nelson Jr. for the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum .

The jury was instructed to follow the stand your ground self defense because he was breaking no laws, (just acting stupidly against accepted procedure for a NW captain) and Nelson was subsequently sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Hope the law catches up with Zimmerman too, and its funny how you lost sight that even with a few acquittals justice was eventually served. But in this case its YOU who defend the killer as Dinkens did before.

The jury was instructed to follow the stand your ground self defense because he was breaking no laws, wrong the jury was instructed to determine if the ;prosecution proved 2nd degree murder and the additional lesser charges the judge allowed. SYG was never offered as a defense.

Yeah the Feds later got Nelson of civil rights charges AFTER HE ADMITTED to the killing . He was also arrested on a number of unrelated violent crimes.And no ;I don't think the civil rights charges are legit . All that mattered was that Rosenbaum was killed in cold blood .

Hello again, steve:
You're sounding more and more like smoothy every day. That ain't a POSITIVE step.

excon

Dude, the San Diego Democratic Party knew of sexual harassment allegations of Bob Filner for two years. Obama and his supporters, you included, refuse to take seriously the many scandals, they're 'phony' even though the lies are clear cut and people have died. Planned Parenthood and NARAL showed more concern for 'women's rights' than Gosnell victims and every one of you mock and scorn every time one of the many Obamacare failures is mentioned. You're perfectly willing to disregard the first amendment in spite of its clear enumerated rights and centuries of precedence and history to furnish free contraception to women.

I could on and on but I'm right about this, your collective agenda is more important than our individual rights and what's a few victims as long as the guy in power is toeing the line. Prove me wrong.

I really hope some prominent Democrats are on the receiving end of the first criminal cases after they revoke the Double Jeopardy laws.

Because its not illegal to kill a Democrat thug (a future democrat thug in this case) in self defense... and that was proven in the court of law... time to pull up your big boy and girl underpants and put away the diapers.

Who could have seen this coming after the national lynching of Zimmerman based on lies, half-truths, selective editing, etc...



Adams Morgan hate crime was motivated by Zimmerman verdict, police say

By Nicole Chavez and Stefanie Dazio, Published: July 27

A Bethesda man was beaten and robbed early Saturday morning in Adams Morgan by three men who yelled, “This is for Trayvon Martin,” before attacking him, police said.

The incident is being investigated as a hate crime and robbery, according to D.C. police spokesman Araz Alali.

Three black men approached an adult white male from behind while he was walking in the 1700 block of Euclid Street NW at 1:26 a.m. Saturday, police said.

Two of the men threw the victim to the ground and kicked him, Alali said. The three perpetrators then took the victim’s iPhone and wallet and fled.

The victim suffered minor injuries and declined medical attention, authorities said.

“There is no pattern in these types of crimes. These attacks are outrageous; we are doing everything in our power to see that they certainly don’t occur. If they do occur, we are going to aggressively investigate them and bring people to justice,” Alali said.

Oh please, equating a mugging to the Zimmermann trial? What's your point? If Zimmerman hadn't been vilified this guy wouldn't have been mugged at 1:30 AM walking alone?

If indeed he was robbed by 3 black guys. I mean hard to imagine 3 guys beating up somebody and them not going to a hospital. Just saying.

Oh please, equating a mugging to the Zimmermann trial? What's your point? If Zimmerman hadn't been vilified this guy wouldn't have been mugged at 1:30 AM walking alone?

If indeed he was robbed by 3 black guys. I mean hard to imagine 3 guys beating up somebody and them not going to a hospital. Just saying.

Three blacks targetign and singling out a white guy to rop and beat... THAT defines a hate crime...

Not one hispanic guy defending himself against one block punk thug who thought he was assaulting a white guy.

What a screwed up world when a white guy can't defend hisself, you would think the black guys were running the country, now... wait a minute there...

Three blacks targetign adn singling out a white guy to rop and beat...THAT defines a hate crime...

Not one hispanic guy defending himself agains one block punk thug who thought he was assaulting a white guy.

He was a victim of opportunity for robbery, nothing to do with hate. He was alone so wasn't singled out because he was white, but because he was alone. That's what criminals do.

He wouldn't be the first white person to say a black guy did it now would he? Don't be so quick to swallow everything hook, line, and sinker. Or embellish without facts as you are prone to do consistently.

He was a victim of opportunity for robbery, nothing to do with hate. He was alone so wasn't singled out because he was white, but because he was alone. That's what criminals do.

He wouldn't be the first white person to say a black guy did it now would he? Don't be so quick to swallow everything hook, line, and sinker. Or embellish without facts as you are prone to do consistently.

Well... after hearing about what a racist Zimmerman was for defending himself against a black attacker for how long now...

Then any attacks on a non-black by a black equally have to be assumed is a hate crime.

I didn't open that can of worms up... they did... and they can't have it both ways.

Don't you just hate the way people get the facts all screwed up, it's a crime

Oh please, equating a mugging to the Zimmermann trial? What's your point? If Zimmerman hadn't been vilified this guy wouldn't have been mugged at 1:30 AM walking alone?

If indeed he was robbed by 3 black guys. I mean hard to imagine 3 guys beating up somebody and them not going to a hospital. Just saying.

I forgot the link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/adams-morgan-hate-crime-was-motivated-by-zimmerman-verdict-police-say/2013/07/27/377a49ae-f702-11e2-a2f1-a7acf9bd5d3a_print.html), WaPo, but dude, what part of plain facts do you not get? You're always shooting the messenger, me, when I;m just relaying the news. I didn't write it.

"Adams Morgan hate crime was motivated by Zimmerman verdict, police say"

"A Bethesda man was beaten and robbed early Saturday morning in Adams Morgan by three men who yelled, “This is for Trayvon Martin,” before attacking him, police said.

You calling the cops liars?

Uh oh, Zimmerman was pulled over in Texas for speeding - AND he was packing heat!! The media is all over this. Even the Daily Mail is on it (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2382127/The-moment-George-Zimmerman-pulled-cops-Texas-speeding-Sunday--told-GUN-going-particular.html#ixzz2aj5dL792)...


The gun in the glove box is legal in Texas, and police routinely ask motorists if they have weapons in the car, Brooks said. He said the entire stop lasted less than five minutes.

'It wasn't for super-excessive speeds, they just got him on regular speeding,' said Brian Brooks, city manager of Forney, Texas, about 25 miles southeast of Dallas, where Zimmerman was stopped.

'It's a pretty routine stop except for the fact that it was George Zimmerman.'

Zimmerman, 29, who is white and Hispanic, was found not guilty of murder and manslaughter on July 13 in Florida after a racially charged trial in the shooting of Martin in February 2012. Thousands of people demonstrated across the United States after the verdict.

He got off with a warning. But he is guilty of being "white and Hispanic" and carrying a gun, though I can't imagine why anyone with such a target on his back would want to carry a gun.

Didn't know it was possible the exceed the speed limit in Tx.

Hello tom:

It's true. Perry doesn't enforce the laws of his state, and you make light of it... But, let Obama do the same thing, and he's a bad bad man...

You're not fooling anybody, though.

excon

didn't know it was possible the exceed the speed limit in Tx.

Yes sir it is, especially in Estelline (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-613081). 75 on the interstates is plenty fast to drive but that's only in open country, which we have a lot of to traverse. It's pretty much 60 mph or less once you hit city limits.

Hello tom:

It's true. Perry doesn't enforce the laws of his state, and you make light of it... But, let Obama do the same thing, and he's a bad bad man...

You're not fooling anybody, though.

excon

I did not know Perry was patrolling the streets.

The latest in the honest conversation on race in this country...

Charlie Rangel: Tea Party Is ‘Same Group’ Of ‘White Crackers’ Who Fought Civil Rights (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/charlie-rangel-tea-party-is-same-group-of)

How is that "white crackers" is somehow not supposed to be a racial slur?

I'd like to call Charley a thing or two since he wants to toss around slurs... and it won't be crooked criminal... if he's man enough to toss them around... then he's man enough to be on the receiving end of them too.

How is this man even still in Congress? He's a crook and a leech.

Hello again,

I don't know about you, but the term white cracker doesn't offend me at all. Now, I know they say it to offend, but my neighbors kid calls me a stumblebum, and I'm not offended by that either.

What is WRONG with me?? I must HATE being white..

excon

In other words a black guy can offend with impunity in our national conversation on race.

Hello again, Steve:

Sure... Wasn't Bill O'Reilly OFFENDING black people when he looked down his nose at them for "having baby's out of wedlock"?? Now, he didn't call them names, but his comments were no less offensive...

You LIKE to offend, but you get all squishy when it comes your way..

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Sure... Wasn't Bill O'Reilly OFFENDING black people when he looked down his nose at them for "having baby's out of wedlock"??? Now, he didn't call them names, but his comments were no less offensive...

You LIKE to offend, but you get all squishy when it comes your way..

excon

Well of course discussing actual problems as opposed to hurling racial slurs has no place in the honest national conversation on race.

Don Lemon: Bill O'Reilly's 'Got A Point' About Black People (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/28/don-lemon-bill-oreilly-black-people_n_3666966.html?ir=Media)

Move along, nothing to see here... just like this (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/trayvon-ii-646411-23.html#post3506966) and this (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3517217-post626.html).



Vicious: Blacks pummel white child on bus (http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/white-child-pummeled-by-blacks-on-bus/)
'They're about to beat this boy to death over here'

A cell-phone video captures the 13-year-old boy’s screams for help as he’s pummeled with fists and kicked by three bigger, older youths who “ganged up” on him as he was about to get off at his bus stop.

The black teens beat the white sixth-grader for roughly a minute before opening the emergency-exit door and fleeing the bus.

Get the book that documents racial violence in America, with hundreds of episodes in more than 80 American cities since 2010, where groups of blacks are assaulting, intimidating, stalking, threatening, shooting, stabbing and killing victims.

As the relentless assault unfolds, the bus driver John Moody yells at the teens to leave the boy alone. He also asks dispatchers to send help.

“You gotta get somebody here quick, quick, quick, quick,” he urged. “They’re about to beat this boy to death over here.”

Moody added, “Please get somebody here quick. There’s still doing it. There’s nothing I can do.”

Moody, 64, said he was too afraid to physically intervene. And according to Lealman Intermediate School’s policy, he is only required to call dispatch.

“The three boys just jumped on him and started pounding on him. And I did all I can,” he told WFLA-TV. “I was looking. It was like I was in shock. I was petrified.”

The attack took place July 9 in Pinellas County, Fla. but the horrific cell-phone video – and a bus surveillance video – came to light only recently.

Prosecutors say they have no grounds on which to charge the bus driver with a crime.

“It wasn’t like he was looking out the window cleaning his fingernails or something like that,” Chief Assistant State Attorney Bruce Bartlett told the TV station.

But police said Moody could have at least given first aid to the victim after the attackers fled through the vehicle’s emergency-exit door.

“There was clearly an opportunity for him to intervene and or check on the welfare of the children or the child in this case and he didn’t make any effort to do so,” Chief Robert Vincent of Gulfport Police Department told WFLA-TV.

Police say the youths attacked the victim after he told officials at their drop-out prevention school that one of them had tried to sell him drugs.

The victim suffered two black eyes and a broken arm.

Joshua Reddin, Julian McKnight and Lloyd Khemradj, all 15-years-old, were arrested soon after bolting from the bus.

Where's the outrage? Where's Sharpton?

I guess there is no outrage from the left... because the left believes that element is incapible of better behaviour... therefore they see nothing wrong or unusual with it.

If there is a better reason they completely ignore it... I'm not seeing it.

Hello again, Steve:

Where's the outrage? Where's Sharpton?Your questions indicate a fundamental MISUNDERSTANDING of the problems faced by the black community.

Excon

The left should be outraged over the beat down of a kid on a school bus, and you still are not outraged about what led to the death of a teen ager minding his own business?

Don't question the left about outrage, worry about your own. You have a computer, but not a clue.

Hello again, Steve:
Your questions indicate a fundamental MISUNDERSTANDING of the problems faced by the black community.

excon

So in other words it's OK for three 15 year old black kids to beat the hell out of a 13 year old white kid because we have "a fundamental MISUNDERSTANDING of the problems faced by the black community."

I guess the white kid didn't get that memo either, but he did get two black eyes and a broken arm.

The left should be outraged over the beat down of a kid on a school bus, and you still are not outraged about what led to the death of a teen ager minding his own business?

Yes they should, and over a 13 month old baby shot dead in its stroller by a black thug accosting a mom and child just minding their own business.


Don't question the left about outrage, worry about your own. You have a computer, but not a clue.

LOL, physician heal thyself.

You still want this to be about black and white and not good and evil which has no color. I mean don't white people do enough to white people to outrage you? Or is it just black people who do bad to white folks?

If your outrage is fueled by prejudiced narrow think I dismiss it. I mean geeez guy, those three kids are in jail for what they did so what more are you wanting from your outrage?

You still want this to be about black and white and not good and evil which has no color. I mean don't white people do enough to white people to outrage you? Or is it just black people who do bad to white folks?

Amazing how when the tables are turned you start adopting our views like, it's not about color.


If your outrage is fueled by prejudiced narrow think I dismiss it. I mean geeez guy, those three kids are in jail for what they did so what more are you wanting from your outrage?

Are you really that clueless? Beyond the actual event here my outrage is at liberal/media hypocrisy. You don't get to go ballistic over every perceived white on black injustice if you aren't going to be equally outraged when the tables are turned without being called out for your hypocrisy. I realize you lefties think everything is a one way street going left but sorry, I'm not rolling over for your bullsh*t.

I guess you keep being out raged, and rolling right and throwing rocks that fall short of the target the further you roll. That's cool because we don't have to duck anymore.

As long as you keep adopting our views, like it isn't about color, there won't be any need for rock throwing.

I already posted about Paula Deen shooting Trayvon in another thread, but it's come to this...

Meet the privileged Obama-supporting white kids who perpetrated cruel Oberlin race hoax
(http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/22/meet-the-privileged-obama-supporting-white-kids-who-perpetrated-cruel-oberlin-race-hoax)


You'll have to read the article to get the whole picture, but it boils down to this - two apparent Obot students played a cruel racial hoax at Oberlin College, the media's knees jerked and off we go with another example of America's still simmering racial unrest.

Except it isn't true. And the school administration KNEW it wasn't true and they played along with it anyway (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/the-great-oberlin-college-racism-hoax-of-2013/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegalInsurrection+%28Le%C2%B7 gal+In%C2%B7sur%C2%B7rec%C2%B7tion%29).

I can at least understand the black community being upset about the Trayvon case for instance, but I can never tolerate intentionally fanning racial flames and as in this pathetic case, covering up a hoax. Grow up people, enough of this bullsh*t.

Kudos to William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection and the Daily Caller for their persistence in exposing this horrific, infantile, inexcusable charade.

Except it isn't true. And the school administration KNEW it wasn't true and they played along with it anyway (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/the-great-oberlin-college-racism-hoax-of-2013/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegalInsurrection+%28Le%C2%B7 gal+In%C2%B7sur%C2%B7rec%C2%B7tion%29).



I think there will problems in trying to substantiate this particular claim.

I think there will problems in trying to substantiate this particular claim.

As long as they keep stonewalling, but the evidence suggests it's true. Jacobson is a pretty good lawyer.

Oberlin hoax | racism | neo-Nazi | flyers (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/how-could-oberlin-be-so-cruel-as-to-play-along-with-the-racism-hoax/)

As long as they keep stonewalling, but the evidence suggests it's true. Jacobson is a pretty good lawyer.

Oberlin hoax | racism | neo-Nazi | flyers (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/how-could-oberlin-be-so-cruel-as-to-play-along-with-the-racism-hoax/)

I have just read Jacobson. Yes he is good. Careful enough not say that the school administration was covering up the hoax as opposed to knowing about the hoax.

If you see what I mean.

I have just read Jacobson. Yes he is good. Careful enough not say that the school administration was covering up the hoax as opposed to knowing about the hoax.

If you see what I mean.

Oh but he did. From the original post:


The hoax was confirmed when Chuck Ross of The Daily Caller recently obtained police records. Now it’s out in the open. Here is the history of how the hoax developed, played out in the media, and was covered up by the Oberlin administration.

Oh but he did. From the original post:

In that case I withdraw my comment. He is not as smart as I thought he was.

Ok.

Hello again,

Didja see that George Zimmerman visited the gun factory that MADE the gun he used to KILL Trayvon?? Was this a good move?

Trayvon DESERVED to die... he had an extensive criminal past. His parents should have aborted him before he was born and saved the world from his blight.

Zimmerman is a hero.

I don't believe any of us have ever accused him of being smart.

So, do you think Oberlin students had a right to know the perps weren't motivated by Nazis and the Klan?

The perpetrators of this sick hoax should have been punished. And that goes for the ones who came after an didn't do their duty/job afterward.

And yes I ignored that clap trap Smoothy posted, and refuse to comment further on whatever the freed child murderer is doing. He has been legally acquitted and he can answer to whatever god he believes in.

Hello again, smoothy:

Trayvon DESERVED to die... he had an extensive criminal past.I have an extensive criminal past. Since I'm a lot older, I'll bet it's even MORE extensive than his.

You think I DESERVE to die too?

Excon

The perpetrators of this sick hoax should have been punished. And that goes for the ones who came after an didn't do their duty/job afterward.

And yes I ignored that clap trap Smoothy posted, and refuse to comment further on whatever the freed child murderer is doing. He has been legally acquitted and he can answer to whatever god he believes in.

Oh PUHLEEEZE.

Trayvon was a 6'1" tattoed athlete THUG that was expelled from school over drugs and theft.

He was NOT an innocent 12 year old kid.. He could and likely would have been charged as an adult for almost any crime he was caught at at his age.

Been drinking the Koolaide this morning?


Incidentally... Obama is a bigger child Killer...


Zimmerman at least was found not guilty of either murder or manslaughter. Obama hasn't been acquitted or found not guilty yet.

Obama hasn't been acquitted or found not guilty yet.

He would be innocent until proved guilty, and has yet to be charged with a damn thing. Right wing squealing is hardly admissible. Nor is the 5 year effort so far you loony's have undertaken. You have reduced yourself to noise, and innuendo, that bears false poison fruit.

And of course you will choke on it without true evidence of a damn thing. What? You think everyone is stupid enough to believe your crap?

Hello again, smoothy:
I have an extensive criminal past. Since I'm a lot older, I'll bet it's even MORE extensive than his.

You think I DESERVE to die too??

excon

If you assaulted someone unprovoked in his own neighborhood and was trying to kill him by beating his head into the sidewalk (what else is the intent but kill him if you do that)...

He would have the right to shoot you to death...

That however I do not believe was your background... and unlike Trayvon you cleaned up your act and didn't continue to escalate...

And the facts in this case were established in court and are a matter of record and fact. Trayvon assaulted ZImmerman... Treyvons criminal past proves he was no pacifist... and in fact had a proven record of numerous assaults.

He would be innocent until proved guilty, and has yet to be charged with a damn thing. Right wing squealing is hardly admissible. Nor is the 5 year effort so far you loony's have undertaken. You have reduced yourself to noise, and innuendo, that bears false poison fruit.

And of course you will choke on it without true evidence of a damn thing. What?? You think everyone is stupid enough to believe your crap??

ZImmerman was PROVEN innocent of murder.. or even mansaughter of Trayvon in a court of law... in fact he can never be tried for that crime again... Unlike Obama.

If trayvon had acted like a civilized human... he'd still be alive... the choices were Trayvons... and trayvons responsibility alone.


People are just upset the "White guy" won... even though the morons can't grasp the fact ZImmerman is no more white than Obama himself is.

Hello again, smoothy:

and unlike Trayvon you cleaned up your act and didn't continue to escalate... Bullsh*t. I'm committing a felony RIGHT NOW, and I AIN'T going to stop. Do I deserve to die?

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:
Bullsh*t. I'm committing a felony RIGHT NOW, and I AIN'T gonna stop. Do I deserve to die?

excon

What the F*** does what YOU did years ago have to do with what Trayvon did last year? YOU did your time... Trayvon didn't for his previous offences.

If you hypothetically came up and assaulted me on my street at night... you would deserve to die... and I would be legally justified in doing it. Just like Zimmerman was.


Actions have consequences.

I hope I never get attacked by a minority teen thug because if the victim is white and the attacker is a minority, prosecutors will often feel compelled to pursue charges against the victim just to avoid an outcry from civil rights groups and Al Sharpton types even if it is clear that the victim used appropriate force to defend himself.

Your best bet is to have better judgment than Zimmerman did, and don't put yourself in the position he did. Would you call a cop and then tail a person, if you thought they were a thug, up to no good?

Goes against everything a NW captain is supposed to do.

Or don't become the intended victim of the "knock out game " unless you are packing a concealed weapon.
'Point 'em out, knock 'em out': Brutal game ends when assault victim fires his concealed handgun | MLive.com (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/08/point_it_out_knock_it_out_brut.html)