Deep in the forest was found the body of a man who was wearing only swimming trunks, snorkel and facemask. The nearest lake was 8 miles away and the sea was 100 miles away. How had he died?

I'm new at this, so we'll see how it goes. I think it is a lot easier than Morgaine's train puzzle :)

Mythbusters!

Was the man killed?

Were the facemask and snorkel still on his face?

Was his swimsuit cut at any place?

Did the man have any weapon with him like a knife?

Was the man killed? No

Were the facemask and snorkel still on his face? Probably

Was his swimsuit cut at any place? No, I don't think so.

Did the man have any weapon with him like a knife? No


I find myself second guessing how to answer some questions. Bear with me. :)

I am just marking my place here, but I will not answer this one because I know the answer.

I am just marking my place here, but I will not answer this one because I know the answer.

Darn. I was looking forward to you playing. :(

Hm...

Did the man fell from the sky?

Was there anything else with him like for example a parachute bag?

Hm...

Did the man fell from the sky? Yes

Was there anything else with him like for example a parachute bag? No

You might solve this before Morgaine gets a chance to play. Maybe Adam will have to look for a puzzle for her.

Ok, possible scenario.

The man went at night to do some diving we don't want to know why. He flew over in a plane/helicopter/etc and jumped, thinking he was going to 'land' in the water, but instead, fell in the forest.

Is that it? :)

Ok, possible scenario.

The man went at night to do some diving we don't want to know why. He flew over in a plane/helicopter/etc and jumped, thinking he was going to 'land' in the water, but instead, fell in the forest.

Is that it? :)

No. I think you'll need more questions.

Was the man's suit wet?

Is it relevant that there is a lake 8 miles away?

Is there any cliff nearby?

Is there any mountain nearby?

Was the man's suit wet? Yes, it was at one time. May have dried out by the time he was found.

Is it relevant that there is a lake 8 miles away? Yes

Is there any cliff nearby? Irrelevant. (haha, I feel rude saying that)


Is there any mountain nearby? Irrelevant.

Lol, it's good to know that something's irrelvant :)

Ok, so, did the man get on a plane?

Or a helicopter?

Did he slip because of his wet feet and fell down down down in the forest?

Ok, so, did the man get on a plane? Technically no, he did not get on a plane. I'm trying not to mislead you here. :o

Or a helicopter? No.

Did he slip because of his wet feet and fell down down down in the forest? No.

Hm...

Is it relevant how he got up in the sky?

Hm...

Is it relevant how he got up in the sky?

Yes.

He climbed on a ladder attached to a flying vehicle?

Did he get on the vehicle?

Is the vehicle relevant?

Did the vehicle fly high enough to avoid the trees?

He climbed on a ladder attached to a flying vehicle? No

Did he get on the vehicle? I think I did mislead you. He somehow got on the vehicle. Try to figure out how.

Is the vehicle relevant? Yes

Did the vehicle fly high enough to avoid the trees? Yes.



I need to get some work done but I'll check back in a while.

Does the vehicle has wings?

Is the vehicle a seaplane?

Is the man a secret agent? (:p)

Oh I thought it was a helicopter. Maybe I am wrong on this one. Or maybe different versions. I will pm you J-Lo.

Does the vehicle has wings? Yes

Is the vehicle a seaplane? I know I misled you. Let's say it's a plane. That why I said "technically, no". It was the way your question was worded.

Is the man a secret agent? (:p)

There's a man who leads a life of danger
To everyone he meets he stays a stranger
With every move he makes another chance he takes
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow

Secret agent man, secret agent man
They've given you a number and taken away your name

Umm - no. :p

Oh, I understood it another way :o

Okay, back on.

Did the man have a relevant task to do at the lake?
Does the man want to prove something by going to the lake?
Is the plane with which he flew his?
Did the plane (pilot) expect him?

Oh, I understood it another way :o Sorry. I think you're on the right track now.

Okay, back on.

Did the man have a relevant task to do at the lake? Not really
Does the man want to prove something by going to the lake? No
Is the plane with which he flew his? No
Did the plane (pilot) expect him? No

Hm..

Did he climb on the plane unnoticed?
Did someone in the plane notice him when they were over the forest?
Did the plane rotate, so that the man could no longer hold on to the plane?

Did he climb on the plane unnoticed? No
Did someone in the plane notice him when they were over the forest? No
Did the plane rotate, so that the man could no longer hold on to the plane? No


This is fun - don't you think? :D

Did he suffocate?/lack of oxygen?

Yes it is! No's also help in eliminating possibilities :)

So it seems he was killed then...

Was the man captured by the person/people of the plane?
Was he tied to the plane?
Did the person/people push him when they were over the forest?

EDIT: Okay, my last post of the day. See you later Bear and JLo :)

So it seems he was killed then...

Was the man captured by the person/people of the plane? Not captured
Was he tied to the plane? No
Did the person/people push him when they were over the forest? No




EDIT: Okay, my last post of the day. See you later Bear and JLo :)

Good night.

He seems so close yet so far from this. I think he is thinking of he got onto the plane and was killed by the plane or someone on it.

He seems so close yet so far from this. I think he is thinking of he got onto the plane and was killed by the plane or someone on it.

I know, but he is making progress. I'm glad he didn't guess it right off, and he's so fun to watch playing this.

Okay, lunchtime here. :)

Yea, I enjoy Unky's questions. They are helpful and some funny. Keep up the good work Unky.

Have a good lunch

Two things:

Now you know what it's like from this side. LOL. It can be very difficult answering things, figuring out how literally to take it, how they mean it isn't how you took it, will it be misleading. Then the questions out of the blue that you never thought about and are not sure are even relevant, but they might be. Some are obvious and easy, but some I think about for a long time.

But you also see how terribly amusing it can be. :D

As for finishing before Morgaine gets there, you have to remember Morgaine doesn't do mornings. (I don't know where you're at, but the time you posted this was morning for me. I've also had a bad day thus far and didn't get on here until later than usual.)

I copied everything into a Wordpad file (trying to not really pay attention to what I was copying), and I'm going to try going back and seeing what I can come up with. But I do have other things I need to get done for the moment, so it will be a little while. But Unky's asleep, Adam never posts this late... I should be safe for the moment. ;)

P.S. You're not supposed to feel bad answering irrelevant. All answers are important.

I'm Pacific time, but I'm an early riser so I usually come on around 5:00 am for the first time... and then I usually wake up in the middle of the night and I'll also come in somewhere between midnight and 3:00 am.

It has been fun doing this. Unky's such a sweetheart. I can't help but want to help him. I hope you have fun with this. I'll be looking forward to what you ask or conclude.

I'm Pacific time, but I'm an early riser so I usually come on around 5:00 am for the first time ... and then I usually wake up in the middle of the night and I'll also come in somewhere between midnight and 3:00 am.

It has been fun doing this. Unky's such a sweetheart. I can't help but want to help him. I hope you have fun with this. I'll be looking forward to what you ask or conclude.

He's smart too. I have full confidence that he'll get it.

It's funny. 4 pages just seemed like a lot of questions and I started wondering if it was close to being solved. But now that I have them all listed out and am looking at them, I realize not a lot has been established yet. So I already have questions. I'll throw a bunch out, try to force myself to go get my stuff none, and pop back in later.

He was in the lake prior to being in the plane, right?

And he was in the forest after being on the plane?

Is it relevant that the sea is 100 miles away?

Did someone in the plane just spot him in the water while flying over?

Was this plane a rescue vehicle?

Even if not, did someone in the plane rescue him?

Did he enter the plane under his own power?

You never answered this: Did he die of some kind of suffocation/lack of oxygen?

Was he dead before he was on the plane?

Did he die on the plane?

Did he die after arriving at the forest?

Did the plane land in the forest? (Guess that would be difficult.)

Did the plane crash in the forest?

Is the plane in the forest at this point?

Are there any other humans in the near vicinity (in the forest), dead or alive?

Trust me, my head is full of a million more, but I think it wise to get some of these facts established first, so I'll stop.

Hmm, I just re-read about him falling out of the sky.

Did he fall into the forest?

Did he fall into the water?

Was there a boat involved at all?

He was in the lake prior to being in the plane, right? Yes

And he was in the forest after being on the plane? Yes

Is it relevant that the sea is 100 miles away? It's relevant that water was a distance away, whether the sea or lake.

Did someone in the plane just spot him in the water while flying over? No

Was this plane a rescue vehicle? Yes

Even if not, did someone in the plane rescue him? No

Did he enter the plane under his own power? No

You never answered this: Did he die of some kind of suffocation/lack of oxygen? Hmmm... I didn't see that. No.

Was he dead before he was on the plane? No

Did he die on the plane? No

Did he die after arriving at the forest? Yes

Did the plane land in the forest? (Guess that would be difficult.) No

Did the plane crash in the forest? No

Is the plane in the forest at this point? Not sure

Are there any other humans in the near vicinity (in the forest), dead or alive? No

Trust me, my head is full of a million more, but I think it wise to get some of these facts established first, so I'll stop. Well, it was quite an impressive list. :)

Did he fall into the forest? Yes

Did he fall into the water? No

Was there a boat involved at all? No

Was this plane a rescue vehicle? Yes

I just asked someone else for their opinion on this and was told I should have said No. How's that for confusing? :o

Was this plane a rescue vehicle? Yes

I just asked someone else for their opinion on this and was told I should have said No. How's that for confusing? :o

It provides an emergency service though.

It provides an emergency service though.

That's the way I was thinking of it. That's what makes answering a little confusing - how technical do you get?

Yes, you see it can be difficult answering. Because you don't even know what I might have been thinking by a rescue vehicle. :p (I was thinking including something that could do more than rescues, something like the Coast Guard, but that's a boat. Or maybe they do have small planes too.)

OK, I don't know if I can form this into a yes or no to clear this up. It provides an emergency service, but is not a "rescue" vehicle.

We know it's at least sort of a plane, we know it does emergencies, it obviously also does or can do rescues or you wouldn't have answered yes (even if technically incorrect). Is it relevant for us to get more technical than this?

I really don't mind asking more questions about it. Though I have other things running through my mind at the moment. (As soon as I review some answers again.)

I think it's best said that it provides an emergency service. I think that's all you need to think about.

My friend that said no said that because it isn't meant to rescue people.

I feel so dumb right now. :p

I think it's best said that it provides an emergency service. I think that's all you need to think about.

My friend that said no said that because it isn't meant to rescue people.

I feel so dumb right now. :p

Oh hell, don't worry about it. Remember, I know what it's like from that side. In fact, that's why you'll find me asking a lot of "OK, let's clear up what this meant" kind of questions.

It's also the same reason I've been known to go back and revise my answers as well. Revise away if you need to.

Oh crap, I have to work in 5 minutes. I better paste my questions in and go clock in. (Hopefully it'll be quiet. I mean, why would I want to actually have to work? :D)

Was the man's occupation relevant?

Let's clear this up:
It's relevant that they are a distance from any body of water. But it's not relevant that the lake is specifically 8 miles away? (Going off how you answered Unky's question.)

Was his death an accident?

Did he take his own life?

Did the plane intend on flying to the forest?

Was the man on the plane before he was in the water? (i.e. like he ended up back on the plane again)

Did he know any of the people on the plane?

Did he work with the people on the plane?

Was it the "fall" into the forest that killed him?

Was he actually snorkeling in the lake? Did he intend to snorkel in the lake?

When Unky asked if he got on the plane, you said technically no.
Did you mean technically not really a plane? Did you mean technically he didn't "get on" said plane?

Hmm. He didn't climb a ladder. He wasn't captured. He wasn't tied to the plane. They didn't rescue him. But he didn't get on the plane under his own power. Weird. Something to seriously consider. (I'm sure you're having a good chuckle.)

Let's clear up another one:
When you said he didn't "climb on the plane unnoticed" that you were meaning he didn't "climb" on the plane at all. Is that correct?
So, however he got on the plane, he was noticed?

I think this is a no, but was he injured before he got to the forest?

Was the man's occupation relevant? No


It's relevant that they are a distance from any body of water. But it's not relevant that the lake is specifically 8 miles away? (Going off how you answered Unky's question.) Specific distance is not relevant, only the water.

Was his death an accident? Yes

Did he take his own life? No

Did the plane intend on flying to the forest? Yes

Was the man on the plane before he was in the water? (i.e. like he ended up back on the plane again) no

Did he know any of the people on the plane? No

Did he work with the people on the plane? No

Was it the "fall" into the forest that killed him? Yes

Was he actually snorkeling in the lake? Did he intend to snorkel in the lake? Yes, yes

When Unky asked if he got on the plane, you said technically no.
Did you mean technically not really a plane? Did you mean technically he didn't "get on" said plane? The latter

Hmm. He didn't climb a ladder. He wasn't captured. He wasn't tied to the plane. They didn't rescue him. But he didn't get on the plane under his own power. Weird. Something to seriously consider. (I'm sure you're having a good chuckle.) Who, me? :D

Let's clear up another one:
When you said he didn't "climb on the plane unnoticed" that you were meaning he didn't "climb" on the plane at all. Is that correct? Yes
So, however he got on the plane, he was noticed? No

I think this is a no, but was he injured before he got to the forest?

Well, here's one of those "I'm not sure" answers. My guess is I'm thinking too hard about it, but in the end I don't think it's relevant. If I wasn't thinking about all the possibilities I could just say no.

He wasn't noticed, but he didn't climb on the plane on his own? Er... Really, really weird.

Work was busy for a while... I'm going to mull over this for a while, and you can go laugh your behind off over it.

Quick one... did anyone on the plane know he was on it (at some point)?

Just as a note... when Unky asked "Did he climb on the plane unnoticed..."

If the man didn't climb on the plane, especially considering he wasn't noticed, that's a good place to say an assumption was made. i.e. It was never established that he climbed on the plane to begin with, so the question can't work. It's especially confusing if one part of the question is incorrect and the other part is correct.

(And I'm not getting on your case... just pointing it out. I think people think I'm being a snot when I just come back and say "assumption made," but there's a good reason for it.)

Did the man know the plane would be flying to the forest?

Did the plane have a reason for going to the water first (and not just because it was enroute to the forest)?

Was the man ever actually inside the body of the plane?

Was anything on fire?

Quick one... did anyone on the plane know he was on it (at some point)? No


Just as a note... when Unky asked "Did he climb on the plane unnoticed..."

If the man didn't climb on the plane, especially considering he wasn't noticed, that's a good place to say an assumption was made. i.e. It was never established that he climbed on the plane to begin with, so the question can't work. It's especially confusing if one part of the question is incorrect and the other part is correct.

(And I'm not getting on your case... just pointing it out. I think people think I'm being a snot when I just come back and say "assumption made," but there's a good reason for it.)

Makes sense. I should have used that a couple of times. I feel like many of the questions are so close but I need to change a thing or two. :o



Did the man know the plane would be flying to the forest? No

Did the plane have a reason for going to the water first (and not just because it was enroute to the forest)? Yes

Was the man ever actually inside the body of the plane? No

Was anything on fire? Yes

Was the forest on fire?

Was the man's ending up on the plane accidental?

Was it one of those hydroplane thingys? (Did that get asked?)

Was the forest on fire? Yes

Was the man's ending up on the plane accidental? Yes

Was it one of those hydroplane thingys? No

I have an idea, but I don't know how it would actually work cause I don't know enough about it, so my explanation is not going to be very technical:

The plane somehow has maybe like something attached like a huge tank sort of thing. (Ha - I'm thinking of the big whale tank in Star Trek IV. :D) And somehow they swoop over or hover over the water and get the tank thingy full of water. And the snorkler happened to be there and got scooped up with the water. Then the water gets dumped on the forest fire and he went with it.

I'll hide the info below in case Unky wants to play.

I googled the subject and found there are several different types of fire fighting planes, including video. They looked different than I had imagined them while doing this puzzle. I was discussing this with my fiance and he wondered if Unky would know about these planes where he lives. I'm thinking he would???

I'm kind of relieved this is over. :D

Okay, time for bed again.

I didn't know about them, so obviously that doesn't make any difference. I knew there was stuff like it, but certainly not specifics. I tried to google it right before I posted that answer and I only read about planes dropping some red stuff, and the water coming from these special helicopters, not planes. But I thought what the heck, it sounds good.

I'd actually thought a long time ago about getting caught in a rope or net or something like that, but couldn't make any sense of what the plane was doing. I was so busy concentrating on the stupid plane that I missed the obvious question of the forest being on fire.

That post looks funny.

So, does this mean you don't like doing this side? I can do another once Unky is done. In fact, this may be good timing for me cause my lighter summer schedule is coming to an end, and I've got just enough time left over to be available to answer questions. After that, I'm not really sure of my availability. And then Adam can do one. :)

By the way, I think no is the best answer to whether he was injured before he fell into the forest. (Though I see what you mean.)

Oh, and yeah for me! Cause I've never actually solved one of these before. (Although I probably could have solved the fish one if it hadn't been done before I got on that day.)

Just for the heck of it, for anyone who wants to jump on it, this is lateral thinking, but is not a yes or no kind. You just have to think about it and find a solution.


You are driving down the road in your car on a wild, stormy night, when you pass by a bus stop and you see three people waiting for the bus

* An old lady who looks as if she is about to die.
* An old friend who once saved your life.
* The perfect partner you have been dreaming about.

Knowing that there can only be one passenger in your car, whom would you choose?

The friend!

That post looks funny.

So, does this mean you don't like doing this side? I can do another once Unky is done. In fact, this may be good timing for me cause my lighter summer schedule is coming to an end, and I've got just enough time left over to be available to answer questions. After that, I'm not really sure of my availability. And then Adam can do one. :)

By the way, I think no is the best answer to whether he was injured before he fell into the forest. (Though I see what you mean.)

Oh, and yeah for me! Cause I've never actually solved one of these before. (Although I probably could have solved the fish one if it hadn't been done before I got on that day.)

I would do one again, but I did feel uncomfortable with some of it. I just wanted to do it right, and was surprised at the difference the wording in a question could make as to how comfortable I was with an answer. Often just a couple of words would throw the question off for me. I tried to go with intent mostly.

I'm surprised you haven't solved one before. I thought you were the queen of these games. :D

Well, being the romantic that I am, I wouldn't have given up on the perfect partner. However, you can't ignore the old lady who is struggling, so I'd get my friend to drive the old lady home and I'd go make time with the perfect partner... I mean, catch a bus together.

PS - To be honest, my fiancé came up with that answer. I thought it was the perfect solution. :)


Okay - attempt #3 at getting some sleep.

I would do one again, but I did feel uncomfortable with some of it. I just wanted to do it right, and was surprised at the difference the wording in a question could make as to how comfortable I was with an answer. Often just a couple of words would throw the question off for me. I tried to go with intent mostly.

Ah, really, you can only do the best you can do. The wording can be tricky yes. Sometimes I stare at something for quite some time, trying to see if it's true exactly as stated. I take them in context of questions around them, which can tell me what they might be getting at. And I qualify answers a lot. There's occasions when I'm convinced someone's going to kill me over an answer once they get it solved.



I'm surprised you haven't solved one before. I thought you were the queen of these games. :D

Uh, not really. I've "hosted" more often. I haven't tried solving that many, which is why I wanted to do it. I know how to ask questions, but that doesn't mean the right thing is going to pop in my head. There's also been plenty of times when I've had a good idea, or been close, but someone else solves it.


Well, being the romantic that I am, I wouldn't have given up on the perfect partner. However, you can't ignore the old lady who is struggling, so I'd get my friend to drive the old lady home and I'd go make time with the perfect partner... I mean, catch a bus together.

That's exactly it. Well, almost - the friend drives the old lady to the hospital. Now this one I solved fairly quickly. I didn't want to give up the perfect partner either. ;)

You must not sleep very well. That's got to be a real bummer. I don't sleep early, but once I'm asleep, I'm normally out like a light, and hard to wake up.

Darn I missed that last one, I figured it out before I got to the end of this thread but then it was answered. I will try and come up with one in another thread so Unky can still answer this one. I will post a link once I do.

All right, here you go guys. Sorry if it sucks or if you have seen it before.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/games/lateral-thinking-puzzle-506400.html#post2519388

Don't tell me that the plane was supposed to be throwing water on the burning forest and thus took water from the lake. But something unexpected happened; the plane took a diver (our dead man) in its water tank/reservoir by mistake with his suit and threw him over the burning fire!

Poor diver :(

I guess that he could have died in the plane itself perhaps, because with a snorkel, one cannot stay underwater for long... When morgaine asked for the forest fire, all the things fitted.

Ok, off to the next one then.

PS. I once got a mail with that same very question about the 3 people under the bus stop. I didn't answer but scrolled down to see what was it... and by the time I saw your question, I have already forgotten lol :p

Hey you, try this latest one:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/games/does-add-up-506413.html#post2519564

For anyone still reading this thread, new one here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/games/lateral-thinking-puzzle-506400-9.html

Post #88, page 9.

(And sorry, I posted it before I knew jm had another thread going. I didn't recognize "it doesn't add up" as being one of these.)

I also just realized from reading it, that it appears nowhere near solved. So we can finish it first, and I'll put the link in to this when it's done. (Unless someone wants to to try to do two at once - fine by me.)

He was a snorkeler he had a wet suit on and the helicopter went to stop and suck water in its tank he got caught in the tube due to the suction and got dump onto the fire