Have Y'all seen this yet? Sent out by Newsmax.


From The Desk Of Gary G. Kreep

Dear Friend the Constitution,


Barack Hussein Obama is not happy! When his taxpayer paid U. S. Department of Justice ("DOJ") attorneys walked into court on October 5, 2009, expecting United States Federal District Court Judge David Carter to immediately dismiss the birth certificate case, he did not get his way! Their legal arguments were hollow and unconvincing. And after hearing hours of argument, Judge Carter “took the matter under submission.” He has still not issued a ruling, 17 days later!

According to the DOJ Attorneys: The President is above the Law and the Courts!

The DOJ attorneys told the Judge that no Court in the United States had the right to rule on whether Barack Hussein Obama was eligible to serve as President of the United States! In their view, he could only be impeached and/or disqualified from the Office of President under the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

THIS IS NOT TRUE! As USJF pointed out to the Court, both in our pleadings and in our oral presentation at the hearing, both the impeachment statutes, and the 25th Amendment require a sitting President. However, if Mr. Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he could not be, and never was, a sitting President, so those options for removal could not apply. Therefore the courts would have jurisdiction.

Monday, October 5, 2009, at 8:30 a.m. in California, was a critical milestone for our entire legal and public relations effort to force Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate, as well as other documents, to prove whether he is eligible to serve as President of the United States. And with your support USJF was able to be there to argue the case.

This case has an excellent chance to survive the Department of Justice motion to dismiss, and it has proven to be the best chance for America to have a hearing on the merits on this critical Constitutional issue.

What happened that day in Court? It's very simple—the DOJ attorneys brought up every argument that they could to try to persuade the Court to dismiss this case

USJF provided sound legal arguments against all of the DOJ legal theories, and we were the only ones to do so; otherwise the whole case could have been over right then and there! The USJF oral arguments at the hearing may well be the difference between this case surviving or being dismissed.

The Judge raised issues critical to our case:

1. Did U.S. Senators question the eligibility of Mr. Obama? (Only USJF was able to tell the Court that Senators Coburn and Shelby and a number of House of Representative members had done so.)

2. Were objections made by Members of Congress when the vote of the Electoral College was certified? (Only USJF was able to tell the Court that NO, then Vice-President Cheney had not performed his required duty of asking for objections, so there could have been none raised.)

DOJ attorneys also argued that only Congress, and/or the Electoral College, could decide on the eligibility of Mr. Obama. Fortunately, the USJF legal team, and only the USJF legal team, filed pleadings pointing out that the DOJ legal arguments in this regard WERE WRONG! And, I was there to argue against those false claims.

People at the hearing and those who have found out what happened there since have been contacting USJF, thanking us for standing up for the truth!

But the fight is not over yet! We expect a ruling from the Court any day now. If we defeat the dismissal motion, then we're immediately filing pleadings ("discovery") seeking Mr. Obama's birth certificate, his college records, and much, much more. AND, we'll be seeking to depose Mr. Obama ASAP!

Judge Carter has set a trial date of January 26, 2010 in this case. To keep that date, we need to defeat the DOJ dismissal motion, and then, IMMEDIATELY, move right into the discovery phase discussed above.


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Good luck Gal!


**** edit, I would hope the waste of space was merely a error

Good luck Gal!

NK

Did I make any comment or endorsement?

I thought some of you out there might be interested in what is going on.

However, better minds than yours are working on this, so you shouldn't mock.

Good luck Gal!

Way to waste everyone's space and make yourself look like an a$$.

Judge Carter is a Clintonista . Do you really think he is going to precide over this charade ?

The conspiracy deepens...

Carter hired Siddharth Velamoor to serve as one of his clerks this month .Velamoor worked at Perkins Coie, LLP's ,a firm where Robert F. Bauer, one of Obama's top lawyers is a partner(he's also huband of Anita Dung, the Maoist White House Communication's Director)

Because of this ;Judge Carter will either be recused ,or will step down from the case. Either way the case is going no where.

Now let's get back to real issues .

However, better minds than yours are working on this, so you shouldn't mock.

Perhaps you could get a good lawyer to fight the good fight, like Orly Taitz.. oh wait, that won't work, she was basically severely reprimanded: Orly Taitz Responds To Judge's $20k Fine: Shove It! | TPMMuckraker (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/birther_orly_taitz_responds_to_judges_20k_fine_sho .php)

Good luck Gal!


**** edit, I would hope the waste of space was merely a error

Thank you, NK.

Now let's get back to real issues .

Yes please, can we end the birther movement? It's irrelevant and only gives ammunition to the left.

My only opinion on this subject...

Hello twink:

Obama hid it under your bed tucked inside Sean Connery's underwear.

Ex

Maybe it was in those pile of documents Sandy Berger stuffed in his trousers .

Hello twink:

Obama hid it under your bed tucked inside Sean Connery's underwear.

ex

Oh, Exie, you peeked! No fair.

Actually, I think the quest for Obama's birth certificate and the impeachment effort will have the same result; nothing.

Having said that, I would like to see all this brought out into the open so that we can all hear what evidence each side has to offer.

There's been a ton of money spent already over the birth certificate issue, and I still have to wonder why the opposition to submitting the various records in question.

As far as providing ammunition to the left, it looks like ANY opposition to Obama will be used as ammo by crew Obama.

Having said that, I would like to see all this brought out into the open so that we can all hear what evidence each side has to offer.


It never ends . There is no evidence to the Truthers claim either but still they plow on.

Having said that, I would like to see all this brought out into the open so that we can all hear what evidence each side has to offer.Hello gal:

One side offers his birth certificate, and the other side doesn't believe it... There ain't nothing more than that.

Do YOU believe it?

excon

Hello gal:

One side offers his birth certificate, and the other side doesn't believe it... There ain't nothing more than that.

Do YOU believe it??

excon

I'm not in a position to know.

Reason tells me that no one would waste time and money pursuing something that has already been presented.

What am I missing in this?

Have you heard that Glen Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990? I'm not saying he did it, I'm just asking questions. Plus he has not denied it or provided the paperwork to exonerate himself. All we want is proof. What is he trying to hide? The MSM seems to be covering up the story of Glenn Beck allegedly raping and murdering a girl in 1990.

Reason tells me that no one would waste time and money persuing something that has already been presented.

What am I missing in this?Hello again, gal:

That the birthers are unreasonable??

excon

This is one of the few areas where excon and I are in agreement.

The Obama people have put forth Obama's birth cert. The birthers simply refuse to accept it.

As excon points out, when one refuses to accept the empirical evidence, that is an unreasonable position.

I just wish excon would take his own advice more often.

Bottom line: there are plenty of GOOD reasons to dislike Obama. We don't need made up ones.

Elliot

Have you heard that Glen Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990? I'm not saying he did it, I'm just asking questions. plus he has not denied it or provided the paperwork to exonerate himself. All we want is proof. What is he trying to hide? The MSM seems to be covering up the story of Glenn Beck allegedly raping and murdering a girl in 1990.

I read about this too. What does he have to hide. Just come out and prove he didn't do this. Unless he did do it. Maybe that is why he can't deny it.

And I heard that Bush had planned to establish a Christian theocracy. Obama already invokes Jesus more often that Bush (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/09/politics/politico/main5074470.shtml) so the evidence says we need to stop this Obocracy before it's too late.

Spit... Yanks in 6

Spit ....Yanks in 6

In 5. That's my prediction.

After this series when they talk about the new Yankees Stadium they are going to call it "The House that Howard Destroyed" PHILLIES IN 6!! WE OWN CC.

Sorry guys, I'm pulling for the Phillies... in 4. How 'bout them Cowboys though?

Speech, Where did Miles Austin come from??

Speech, Where did Miles Austin come from?!?!

Same place Romo did, nowhere. I just hope they can keep it going, 421 yards and 4 TD's in 2 games? Unbelievable.

Have you heard that Glen Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990? I'm not saying he did it, I'm just asking questions. plus he has not denied it or provided the paperwork to exonerate himself. All we want is proof. What is he trying to hide? The MSM seems to be covering up the story of Glenn Beck allegedly raping and murdering a girl in 1990.

With posts like this, you shouldn't accuse anyone of being off the wall.

Besides, Glen Beck is not the president of the USA.

Frankly, I'm not a birther, but I will admit that I would welcime any LEGAL metod of removing Obama from office ASAP.

Frankly, I'm not a birther, but I will admit that I would welcime any LEGAL metod of removing Obama from office ASAP.

What does it matter, he is a citizen isn't he? Not some foreign king! If the majority voted for him and it appears they did, as distinct from earlier elections, then you have to wait a while then you can vote him out.

As I understand it you have a leglisature and if anything becomes law the majority of those folks have agreed to it before Obama signs it. So why blame Obama when it is those faceless persons who have done the job. Where I come from we speak of a government having a mandate which comes from policies which the electorate has been informed of before election of the government. All of this debate would suggest that a mandate doesn't exist, but surely that isn't so. You knew what you were getting, a social reformer and the people wanted that

What does it matter, he is a citizen isn't he?

Our Constitution makes it clear the President must be a NATURAL BORN citizen. It keeps interlopers from Australia from becoming President.

That is why the "birthers " make the issue about his birth certificate. But it is a non-issue in the case of the President ,as been demonstrated countless times here .

You knew what you were getting, a social reformer and the people wanted that

As much as the leftys want to try to spin it ;a 52% majority does not give them a mandate to gut our system and make sweeping transformations .

Frankly, I'm not a birther, Oh yes you are - you started this thread didn't you?

Oh yes you are - you started this thread didn't you?

Don't be presumptious!

I don't know what they do or don't have.

I wish them success, just as I wish success to those who want to impeach Obama.

I want this man back in Chicago where he can practice that brand of politics without endangering the whole nation.

The present situation illustrates that we should NEVER give everything to one party.

Any party!

If one party has both houses, then we should never give them the White House. Or vice-versa.

That is the ONLY way to assure bi-partisan government, and holds legislation to a minimum, which is a good thing.

Now it's up to two million that Obamie has spent defending his right to not show his original birth certificate the populace.

I also have to wonder about that comment Michelle Obama made about how Bammy's mother was not married at the time he was born. Her comment was back in July 2008. It was to show how much Bammy knows how living in semi poverty was like. Hilarious! What will she think of next to "help" out Bammy? Hard to tell as she's busy shopping at junk stores for her clothes and the kid's clothes.

Hey twinkie, I feel the same way about Glen Beck's rape and murder of a girl in 1990. He has already tried to suppress evidence. What has he got to hide? Just show the evidence that you didn't do it - but of course he can't do that. Disgusting!

I just read that Judge Carter in California has dismissed the latest case Barnett v. Obama. It seems that Judge Carter hired a brand new law clerk yesterday and you'll never guess where this guy worked prior to joining Judge Carter - at the law firm where Obama has pumped more than $1.5 million in defending his birth certificate! Nope. Not making this up. Just Google for it and you'll see I'm not kidding about this horrible travesty of justice.

I wonder just how much $$$$$$ Judge Carter was paid for this "decision"? Probably quite a lot, quite a lot.

It's downright nauseating to see just what lengths Obama will go to "silence" someone to keep them from uncovering the truth about him. Money can certainly buy quite a lot of "silence". Federal judges are not exempt from being bribed errrr handed a "new law clerk" who just happens to have a large sack of cash held in a sack behind his back just waiting to plop it on your desk when you're distracted on the phone.

Frankly, though, I am certainly NOT surprised at this new outcome. I'm surprised that it took this long to happen.

Barack swore to uphold the US Constitution.

On that basis, any honest court would convict him of perjury!

Barack swore to uphold the US Constitution.

On that basis, any honest court would convict him of perjury!

Uphold the Constitution. More like hold the Constitution for hostage or ransom or have the Constitution hold their hands up while he robs them. He's already robbed this country of it's money. Now what else does he have planned?

FYI update. (from an email)

VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES SUPREME COURT

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans
for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College .

Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro,
Received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the
School. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit
Brought by the group in the Superior Court of California .

The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded
A fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student
Must claim foreign citizenship. This document
Would seem to
Provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the
Evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty
Grim.
The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and
Qualification to serve as president.

When reached for comment in London , where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister
Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.

Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama
Eligibility Questioned," leading some to sepeculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit
To theU.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on
Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New
Jersey.

This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits
Brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending.
This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12
States for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still
Ongoing
But that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the
Matter.

While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah
Over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?

So how did a young man who arrived in NewYork in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come
Up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta,
And Karachi, what passport was he
Offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions,
They must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather
Short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel
To Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.

1) He traveled with a U.S.Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. StateDepartment's "notravel" list in
1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii
As he claims.

And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship
He held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his
Indonesian step-father in 1967.