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magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 01:02 AM
YouTube - Rodney Dangerfield Stand-Up 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcy35b9L8G0&NR=1)

alkalineangel
Nov 10, 2007, 09:04 AM
You went rummaging through my baby photos again!!

startover22
Nov 10, 2007, 10:34 AM
Al, I would believe it! You are one tough cookie!

kp2171
Nov 10, 2007, 02:07 PM
Synnen, Dem some funky A$$ White Boys!

Isn't funky-a$$ hyphenated? Need to go check my writing style guide... musta slept that day in Gooder Writing For Grades 101.

If you don't hyphenate you are calling your arse funky... which might mean like a stank, while saying funky-arse seems to mean the person as a whole, maybe in a positive-kc-and-the-sunshine-band way?

I should go back to college. I just found my doctoral thesis.

Well actually I just finished a beer. Bet a lot of thesis are settled upon after drinking.

But you can't hang a beer on your wall like your doctoral degree papers.

Well.. yeah you can. Duct tapes probably the best for longnecks. You can nail the cans no prob.

Unless you're a dumb-a$$.

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 02:14 PM
isnt funky-a$$ hyphenated? need to go check my writing style guide... musta slept that day in Gooder Writing For Grades 101.

if you dont hyphenate you are calling your arse funky... which might mean like a stank, while saying funky-arse seems to mean the person as a whole, maybe in a positive-kc-and-the-sunshine-band way?

i should go back to college. i just found my doctoral thesis.

well actually i just finished a beer. bet a lot of thesis are settled upon after drinking.

but you can't hang a beer on your wall like your doctoral degree papers.

well.. yeah you can. duct tapes probably the best for longnecks. you can nail the cans no prob.

unless youre a dumb-a$$.

I completely understand that. I wrote it just like I meant it. The way Dem boys is jumping round they act like they A$$e$ itch. That means they A$$e$ must be funky.

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 02:36 PM
Here we are at our new Tapioca mine. We drill 37 miles into the earths crust, where you find the best Tapioca. We have signed a deal with one of the biggest pudding producers in the world and we are preparing to go public through a reverse merger any day now. Stock prices should hit the pink sheets at $0001/2 first day out.
This is not a forward looking statement.


https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5232&stc=1&d=1194730303

startover22
Nov 10, 2007, 06:53 PM
All I heard was pink sheets...
But I do so love tapioca pudding... LMAO!

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 06:59 PM
All I heard was pink sheets....
But i do so love tapioca pudding...LMAO!!

You naughty! :D

Did you ever get Tapioca all over your pink sheets?

startover22
Nov 10, 2007, 07:02 PM
Nope... but wow! HUH?

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 07:55 PM
That was deep.

startover22
Nov 10, 2007, 07:57 PM
Ha ha... Magatory... ha ha...

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 08:00 PM
Moose Knuckles:

In yiddish this means a man that has his pants hiked up too far and has split the difference in his bean bag leaving one bean on either side of the crotch seam causing the individual beans (you'll have to sit this one out hitler, sorry) to hang low and give that 'sad puppy dog eyes' appearance to the beansack. Most often associated with older men in slacks with belts.

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 08:02 PM
Donka Donk:

A girl with a kicking booty. Something that you can smack it up, flip it, and rub it down. Bounce!

J_9
Nov 10, 2007, 08:05 PM
Okay, now you got my mind going. Who did Smack it up, flip it, rub it down Oh NO

startover22
Nov 10, 2007, 08:06 PM
Okay, now you got my mind going. Who did Smack it up, flip it, rub it down Oh NO
J... I knew he was calling you... you love that song... Hi sweet!

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 08:08 PM
P base four minus one:

If you want to be really tricky, instead of saying P base three you can curveball it by saying P base four minus one. A P3 was originally an unfinished drawing of a penis, but now has come to mean penis.

I started drawing a penis on my friend's homework but I only managed a p base four minus one.

"Quit grabbing your P base four minus one in public, Mark, it's impolite."

J_9
Nov 10, 2007, 08:08 PM
Yeah, I love that song... among many!!

J_9
Nov 10, 2007, 08:09 PM
P base four minus one:

If you want to be really tricky, instead of saying P base three you can curveball it by saying P base four minus one. A P3 was originaly an unfinished drawing of a penis, but now has come to mean penis.

I started drawing a penis on my friend's homework but I only managed a p base four minus one.

"Quit grabbing your P base four minus one in public, Mark, it's impolite."

You never fail to make me laugh.

startover22
Nov 10, 2007, 08:13 PM
LOL... hmmmm, what he will come up with now...

J_9
Nov 10, 2007, 08:14 PM
How about this one?

UIzb32F6ZLA

startover22
Nov 10, 2007, 08:21 PM
YES!! That is goooood...

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 08:44 PM
Now I'm in the mood for love.

J_9
Nov 10, 2007, 08:59 PM
This is more your speed mag my dear

-xEzGIuY7kw

CaptainRich
Nov 10, 2007, 09:10 PM
This is more your speed mag my dear


Lovin' you, J!
Clearly you've got too much time on your hands! Hehehe
Want a used xBox! Hehehe

J_9
Nov 10, 2007, 09:12 PM
Ah, just relaxing after a long day of studying, taking online quizzes for school, soccer games, cooking, cleaning, doing laundry... Hmmmm anything else I am forgetting about?

CaptainRich
Nov 10, 2007, 09:17 PM
Hmmmm anything else I am forgetting about?
More than likely!
You do much that's taken for granted...
How could it all fit on your resume, darlin'... hehe

J_9
Nov 10, 2007, 09:18 PM
Nah, I'm not that great. Just your average Joe

CaptainRich
Nov 10, 2007, 09:26 PM
Nah, I'm not that great. Just your average Joe
Pwwwttthhhttttttt!
Yes! And a humble health-care professional! "Yup!! Virtually nothing!!" NOT!

magprob
Nov 10, 2007, 11:41 PM
She ain't bad looking for her age either. LOOK!

YouTube - KISS AN ANGEL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J__IJzIkdU8)

Chery
Nov 12, 2007, 01:27 PM
With this new Windows Vista, I have to shut down all internet browsers and install Adobe Flashplayer before I can take part in what J sent and those links from U Tube. I'll tackle that tomorrow and hope it works.


Don't you just hate it when you purchase or receive a computer today that the software is preloaded and you can't fix it the way you want?
My first computer was a 20 MB hard drive Commodore PC with DOS4 and I had to create my own games and programs with GW Basic. That was fun.
Now, it's a pain trying to figure out and use preloaded crap that is new and I have better apps of the same type that work better.
I'm so tempted to reformat and install XP on here, but since I plan on leaving this for my daughter in my Will, I will ask her first if she is willing to use Vista and buy the whole MS Office packet herself. My MS Office 2004, Omnipage 14, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional and a lot more will have to be given to someone who is still using XP.
So.. I guess I'll just experiment with Vista a bit longer and see if I can really screw it up.

I love a challenge and it seams my whole life continues to be one.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_4_7.gif

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 06:39 PM
Hi Chery. I used my sons PC with Vista for a few weeks while on vacation. It almost ruined my vacation. Like you, I puffed up and decided that I could whoop this thing. I failed. As a matter of a fact, this ole Dell I'm on now, (5 years) has been the best with XP but alas, it is ready to be turned out to pasture. It really needs to be sent to the glue factory! I am ordering a new Dell tomorrow that still has XP Home. I don't know how much longer they will have XP so I thought I better grab one now. That way, if it last me even 3 to 4 years, that's 3 to 4 years I don't have to deal with Vista.
The conspiracy theory people say that vista has a back door for the government to lurk around in your bidness. I don't know that for sure so just in case, have your little mooners standing by! :)

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 06:51 PM
I will NEVER have Vista after all I have heard from it. It is evil, it is the DEBIL!!

JoeCanada76
Nov 12, 2007, 06:53 PM
Windows me is great. Everybody tells me not to bother with vista there are too many problems.

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 06:57 PM
I never used ME but I do know that people say the ME stands for Many Explosions. Then, some people love it. I guess it's all in your personal prefrences. Having only Microsoft, I have nothing to really compare it to but I have been thinking aboout trying Linux.

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 06:57 PM
I had ME till my computer crashed this past spring. Now I have XP and I LOVE it. I won't give it up for the world.

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:11 PM
I just have a puter and am thankful for it... I don't even know what it is but it works... I have only pounded on it a few times... so I guess this uh (lemme look) COMPAQ is good...

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 07:21 PM
Hey, whatever works 4 you.

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:25 PM
Awww, we got a smarty pants tonight eh?

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 07:32 PM
What!

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 07:34 PM
OMG, start don't you know what OS you have?

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:36 PM
Sorry Mag, it mighta been me with the smarty pants on...
I am in one of those, I am going to get you moods... Sorry again... I am giving you your privacy back... Get on with you bad self...
A little music may help...

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:37 PM
OMG, start don't you know what OS you have?
I only know how to log on... and do emails... what else do I need?:D

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 07:39 PM
Any more could be dangerous!

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:41 PM
For me it could... sheesh... I could get in trouble and never cook another dinner, or make sure the kids don't kill themselves or each other... or what ever, I need to stick to the basics... or Holy Chit!

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 07:45 PM
Hey, go to Costco. They have these chocolate truffles. Oh My GoD! Oh my God! I can't tell you the name of them though, my ole lady must have hid them from me. She's afraid I may flounder myself.

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 07:46 PM
Holy Chit is more like it. Well ladies and germs, I been up since 4 and got to get up at 3:30, I am OUTA here!!

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:47 PM
They also mental help books Mag, you may want to go ask her to get you one... LMAO
I bought one and Look...
Or I should buy one for the way I am going...
OMG did I just tell you guys I am not stable.. Or did you already know?

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 07:47 PM
C-ya

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:48 PM
Holy Chit is more like it. Well ladies and germs, I been up since 4 and gotta get up at 3:30, I am OUTA here!!!
Dang, you give us just a little... Tease!:rolleyes:

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 07:49 PM
They also mental help books

Whacha been drinking? I don't understand that.

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:50 PM
LOL, I can't farkin type I guess... LOL
They also have... was what I meant to say, but I get nervous around Magatory... LOL

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 07:52 PM
Magpie makes you nervous? Well, you tell me if he is mean to you, I'll give him a shot and stick him back on the short bus.

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 07:56 PM
I was hoping you would say that... I only said that to make you come back...
He don't scare me one bit.. I am the Warrior!

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 07:58 PM
Magpie is a simple man really. You just have to know how to stroke him.

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:00 PM
Maggie's song

StmOleJpPFI

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 08:01 PM
I love this song...
You are too good for words sweet... J, you really are... I hope you know that! Love you!

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 08:14 PM
Magpie is a simple man really. You just have to know how to stroke him.
Long, slow strokes.

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:15 PM
When are we going to Vegas Mag?

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:17 PM
I am SO in demand!! ROFLMFAO

HoJbQUMttew

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 08:19 PM
What happens in Vegas may stay there but you would be so impressed you would tell everyone of your girlfriends. I can't risk that!

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 08:20 PM
And I would want to know... J, really...

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:21 PM
Heck Mag, I'll risk anything for a night with the Magnificent Magprob!! LOL

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 08:21 PM
See, I can hear the hard drives rattling now from the PMs.

enigmagnetic
Nov 12, 2007, 08:23 PM
Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.

The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.

Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me E.

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:24 PM
Voilą! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.

The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.

Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me E.

Too many "v"s for me in my exhausted state of mind.

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 08:26 PM
Heck Mag, I'll risk anything for a night with the Magnificent Magprob!!! LOL
And all this time I thought it was magatory... hmmmm. Where did I go wrong... yes, drinking now... wallowing in my own pain...

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:27 PM
Are you ready kids?

Eye eye Captain!!

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 08:28 PM
Sponge Bob Jammies, I get it... good night sweet. Good night!

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:30 PM
Here Start my love. Sheeeet I got to hit the sheets. Just decompressing after a VERY long day.

Drool for me Start.


xHB2_eqRBTQ

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 08:33 PM
I won't fight it...
J, good night, get some rest...

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:36 PM
I miss talking to you Start... Been busy... I'll call you when I get a break... Heck when will that be? Ummmmm

I need you at my pinning ceremony!!

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 08:39 PM
I want to be there... Oh man, I could use a break for something happy and honorable like that! You are so cool... Get a break, when you do, let me know I will use the phone!

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 08:40 PM
Night sweet friends...

J_9
Nov 12, 2007, 08:41 PM
I'll call you when I get a chance.

I want to HUGE graduation party. May 2 is the pinning ceremony.

magprob
Nov 12, 2007, 08:45 PM
Voilą! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.

The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.

Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me E.
That's easy for you to say.

Chery
Nov 12, 2007, 09:23 PM
Hi Chery. I used my sons PC with Vista for a few weeks while on vacation. It almost ruined my vacation. Like you, I puffed up and decided that I could whoop this thing. I failed. As a matter of a fact, this ole Dell I'm on now, (5 years) has been the best with XP but alas, it is ready to be turned out to pasture. It really needs to be sent to the glue factory! I am ordering a new Dell tomorrow that still has XP Home. I don't know how much longer they will have XP so I thought I better grab one now. That way, if it last me even 3 to 4 years, that's 3 to 4 years I don't have to deal with Vista.
The conspiracy theory people say that vista has a back door for the government to lurk around in your bidness. I don't know that for sure so just in case, have your little mooners standing by! :)
Mag, I know what you mean, XP is still the best and my other puters have it. Just one left with Win2000 and it still works. I also have an old one with Win98 on it. I think it will be fun for my grandson to bang around on.
So, now I have a laptop with Vista - given to me and has the largest storage space of 120 GB, another laptop that's getting old and only 80 GB, but it has XP and everything works on it. Then there are two PCs with XP, and I'm getting ready to clean them up and give them away as gifts for people who don't even have a computer. I won't need them anyway.. I'll miss all the good music I have on them though.

Janine.. Where do you find the time to gather all those great music links? I used to be able to download music from a russian site for like 99 cents a song, or even for a whole CD. Still had money in my account, but they disappeared somehow after four years, or they were banned - go figure.
I wonder what kind of music I'll find while I'm spooking as I'm sure Elvis is not doing without..

Start.. Those vibes I sent you recently had valium in them, maybe that's why you're so, umm, 'drugged' today. I hope you feel better after a good nights sleep.

I finally got flashplayer installed and glad I did because I enjoy the music Janine included here. The bald dude makes me wish I were a little younger and healthier, but such is life. I still have my memories - and lately some pretty cool dreams.. maybe that's due to the meds, but who cares! I actually woke up 'moist' this morning after a dream and that isn't happened in a longgggg time.

Talk to you tomorrow...

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_9_15.gif

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 09:23 PM
That's easy for you to say.
I can only wonder how easy it really was... :eek:

startover22
Nov 12, 2007, 09:24 PM
Mab, I know what you mean, XP is still the best and my other puters have it. Just one left with Win2000 and it still works. I also have an old one with Win98 on it. I think it will be fun for my grandson to bang around on.
So, now I have a laptop with Vista - given to me and has the largest storage space of 120 GB, another laptop that's getting old and only 80 GB, but it has XP and everything works on it. Then there are two PCs with XP, and I'm getting ready to clean them up and give them away as gifts for people who don't even have a computer. I won't need them anyway.. I'll miss all the good music I have on them though.

Janine.. Where do you find the time to gather all those great music links? I used to be able to download music from a russian site for like 99 cents a song, or even for a whole CD. Still had money in my account, but they disappeared somehow after four years, or they were banned - go figure.
I wonder what kind of music I'll find while I'm spooking as I'm sure Elvis is not doing without..

Start.. Those vibes I sent you recently had valium in them, maybe that's why you're so, umm, 'drugged' today. I hope you feel better after a good nights sleep.

I finally got flashplayer installed and glad I did because I enjoy the music Janine included here. The bald dude makes me wish I were a little younger and healthier, but such is life. I still have my memories - and lately some pretty cool dreams.. maybe that's due to the meds, but who cares! I actually woke up 'moist' this morning after a dream and that aint happened in a longgggg time.

Talk to ya tomorrow...

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_9_15.gif
Aww, I wish I wouldn't have missed you... Thanks for the vibes... I am getting them fully now!

magprob
Nov 14, 2007, 09:55 PM
YouTube - head east - never been any reason (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyoknbvXlwM)
YouTube - head east-love me tonite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o71-KBT7BuU&feature=related)
YouTube - Atomic Rooster - Devil's answer (TOTP) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O75iSwHnx-Y&feature=related)
YouTube - Rufus Wainwright - Zing! Went The Strings Of My Heart: Live At The London Palladium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfDO48OzURE&feature=user)

magprob
Nov 14, 2007, 11:19 PM
YouTube - DEAN MARTIN - THAT'S AMORE' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtmsIq0-T54&feature=related)

YouTube - She Thinks My Camel's Sexy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9b-8C5RONk&feature=related)

Chery
Nov 15, 2007, 03:22 PM
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_19.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000)I like Camels too. Wrapped in paper with a filter are the best.
Cool song from a funny guy though..

startover22
Nov 15, 2007, 04:50 PM
Hi Chery... (start batting her eyes)
How are you?

Chery
Nov 15, 2007, 05:16 PM
Hi Chery.....(start batting her eyes)
How are you?

Doing good babe, and you? I've just answered to quite a few relationship posts that I've neglected lately and feel good that I'm back in the "saddle" as one can say. I really feel motivated today for some reason. It's probably the cocky wink I gave the receptionist at the doctor's today because she was surprised that I got so many Valium from the doctor. If she would have read my latest diagnosis she would have understood that it didn't matter whether I got 'addicted' to anything at this stage anymore. I swear, the germans are so stingy with medications lately, except for antidepressants - that's a cure-all to them, and I refuse to take them.

So now I can change that T-shirt iron-on to "Addicted Dead Woman Walking" ain't that a joke!

I hope nobody will ask me if I care whether I'll get addicted or not, because I don't think I can hold back with a smart reply.

Got me a new digital camera today at the second hand store and Larry is my model. I'll post some pictures soon - I also want to get some more cute ones of Alex first, than post them. I might even let Jaime take one of me and include that...

Hope all is well with you and those kids... keep me posted.

Love,

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_8.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000)Yuck! Still snowing here.

startover22
Nov 15, 2007, 05:29 PM
Chery, you crack me up! I am fine! Sometimes people are only thinking for that one little moment, can't blame them I do it too... BUT it can really get to you sometimes. Wish I could be there to here your smarty pants quick reply to the person who askes you if you are worried about getting addicted to meds... I really do.
I am no good with quick responses...
Digital camera? Oh goodness look out Alex... look out... LOL I can't wait to see the new pic's...
The kids are fine.. fighting and running everywhere but that is normal around here... I have to talk like a man to get their attention... Dustin is gone for 4 days straight!

Chery
Nov 15, 2007, 05:39 PM
Go girl. Don't let them get to you.

When young kids get cocky with me, I tell them that once they've learned all of what I already forgot, then they can imply that they are smarter than me... I amazed them that sometimes I'm one or two step ahead and can tell what they think or are planning and I put a stop to it by telling them how I used to act when I was their age, and I didn't get away with it either, so no chance for them. They don't think of anything new, just an updated version of crap we thought of before they were even born. That always gets them.

Once they realize we know all the tricks, they tend to give up.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_11_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000) Tell the girls that gravity will take over some day in their lives too, that's always a good one. Also that we have already earned our wrinkles, what's their excuse...

startover22
Nov 15, 2007, 10:03 PM
Well, tonight I heard a few words come out of the mouths of the older kids...
And let me tell you, I pointed at my daughter and I said "I hear you say those things one more time, I am kicking your butt, turned to my son Grady, said "I hear those things come out of your mouth I am kicking your butt, then to Jesse the oldest... (foster boy) "you are so farkin lucky I can't kick yours"
OMG we all just started laughing, I was upset, but the way I was groaning and moaning to them about their smart azz mouths... Man, I sounded far more stupid than them...
Hugs... I know I am going to regret not being intimidating enough... It is soooo hard!

magprob
Nov 16, 2007, 12:07 AM
All right! That's enough, everybody out! I can't concentrate. Take your trash with you.

startover22
Nov 16, 2007, 09:25 AM
You are right Magatory, I was way out of line! See you!
One more piece of trash though...
YouTube - Don Williams -- I Believe In You (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rktW3byqdOs)
Awwww, that is nice!

Chery
Nov 17, 2007, 06:57 AM
Alright! That's enough, everybody out! I can't concentrate. Take your trash with you.

If you need to concentrate, dear, let me know on what and I'll do my best to assist.

I just took out two bags of garbage, is that enough?

Are you guys getting stupid messenger requests too? I thought my explorer and messengers have filters but they don't seem to work lately. There was a girl who wante to show me her sexy but, and I replied that I like my cellulite better.. then clicked her on as 'spam' for the future..

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_9_26.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000) I'm not staying sad or mad long anymore, I get even!

enigmagnetic
Nov 17, 2007, 08:55 AM
http://www.daveblackonline.com/meet_pig_pen_big.gif

Chery
Nov 17, 2007, 08:59 AM
http://www.daveblackonline.com/meet_pig_pen_big.gif

Awe, how cute. I haven't seen him for a while and he was one of my favorites in Peanuts.
Thanks for the memory.

enigmagnetic
Nov 17, 2007, 09:26 AM
Heh, yeah me too. I like how he would kind of muck up everyone around him too. I'm sorry but unlike trash you throw away his dirt is memorable and undeniable magprob haha!

magprob
Nov 17, 2007, 10:09 AM
Yeah. I agreee.

magprob
Nov 18, 2007, 02:17 PM
As we enter the dark, and often, as here, cold months of winter, all too many people can become depressed, suffering from what the doctors call "SAD" - "Seasonal Affective Disorder". The further from the equator people live, the higher the incidences of SAD and the worse the effects are we are told. We are also told that this is a "disease" of the brain due to such causes as "melatonin deficiency", due to the long, dark nights as well as many other reasons. As is often the case, what doctors do not know is that the Mind has total dominion over the organic brain and also therefore our moods as well as our state of health, aging and every other aspect of physical existence. If we have "sunny thoughts", we will feel happy. If we have dark thoughts people will feel "sad" or depressed. So if you feel "down" at this time of the year, or wish to feel permanently happy, then make the effort to think happy, sunny thoughts often, by remembering happy events as if you are there now, and above all knowing, beyond any doubt, that your natural state of Being is happiness, joy and peace, and by knowing only those things they can only be your experience. Doctors may advise seeking a powerful light source for "SAD", or sitting in front of the window for 30 minutes, but again these are all physical actions. There is only one fundamental Universal Principle above all others - Mind. So instead of sitting in front of a window or sitting in a very bright room, imagine and visualise yourself being outside on the brightest and sunniest summers day, and this alone will invoke a much more powerful and enduring effect. Whenever you feel "sad" for any reason, use the power of your Mind to become happy again, knowing above all else that as aspects and expressions of the ultimate Source of Light, we have the power within us to realise anything at all, and above all that we influence our external reality including our health and the way we feel - not the other way around.

OK? Good. Now get the hell out of here before I release the dogs.

CaptainRich
Nov 18, 2007, 02:27 PM
The mind is a powerful thing! Release them dogs!

startover22
Nov 18, 2007, 03:46 PM
YouTube - Who Let the Dogs out??- Baha men Original version (http://youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8)
I hope this song drives you insane, just like it does me! LMAO

Chery
Nov 18, 2007, 08:00 PM
As we enter the dark, and often, as here, cold months of winter, all too many people can become depressed, suffering from what the doctors call "SAD" - "Seasonal Affective Disorder". The further from the equator people live, the higher the incidences of SAD and the worse the effects are we are told. We are also told that this is a "disease" of the brain due to such causes as "melatonin deficiency", due to the long, dark nights as well as many other reasons. As is often the case, what doctors do not know is that the Mind has total dominion over the organic brain and also therefore our moods as well as our state of health, aging and every other aspect of physical existence. If we have "sunny thoughts", we will feel happy. If we have dark thoughts people will feel "sad" or depressed. So if you feel "down" at this time of the year, or wish to feel permanently happy, then make the effort to think happy, sunny thoughts often, by remembering happy events as if you are there now, and above all knowing, beyond any doubt, that your natural state of Being is happiness, joy and peace, and by knowing only those things they can only be your experience. Doctors may advise seeking a powerful light source for "SAD", or sitting in front of the window for 30 minutes, but again these are all physical actions. There is only one fundamental Universal Principle above all others - Mind. So instead of sitting in front of a window or sitting in a very bright room, imagine and visualise yourself being outside on the brightest and sunniest summers day, and this alone will invoke a much more powerful and enduring effect. Whenever you feel "sad" for any reason, use the power of your Mind to become happy again, knowing above all else that as aspects and expressions of the ultimate Source of Light, we have the power within us to realise anything at all, and above all that we influence our external reality including our health and the way we feel - not the other way around.

OK? Good. Now get the hell outta here before I release the dogs.

Hey babe, my handsome, chubby, buddy. I take extra Vitamin D when the sun don't shine anymore and I get that down feeling, so try it.

YouTube - That's What Friends Are For (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EtGF2m102Wg&feature=related)

Start and I just included you in this little clique.. So keep them dogs at bay, or I'll smooch them to the point where they will want to come live with me... ha ha.


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CaptainRich
Nov 18, 2007, 09:09 PM
Chery, that song say's it all... because that is what friends are for!
Thank you, sweetie!

magprob
Nov 18, 2007, 09:27 PM
YouTube - Mojo Nixon "Elvis Is Everywhere" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gopc3fgnXDw)

YouTube - Mojo Nixon "Elvis Donuts" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=B1d_Cik0FQc)

YouTube - Mojo Nixon "(619) 239-KING" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vnS6N93QLB0&feature=related)

magprob
Nov 18, 2007, 09:29 PM
YouTube - Mojo Nixon - Kinky is Everywhere (http://youtube.com/watch?v=csLBSpbHNhU)

YouTube - Reverend Horton Heat- Psychobilly Freakout (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qn4lJqbv7So&feature=related)

CaptainRich
Nov 18, 2007, 09:38 PM
Umm, I know it's late, oh Mag of mag's, but I still believe the folksy blues is better done here:
YouTube - Bob Dylan - Like A Rolling Stone (From Unreleased Hard Rain) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9-FbvTJJLM)

magprob
Nov 18, 2007, 09:57 PM
YouTube - Red State Update: Willie Nelson Pot Bust (http://youtube.com/watch?v=b8Eg6XnqJyM&feature=related)

YouTube - Kinky Friedman - People Who Read People Magazine (http://youtube.com/watch?v=khppic4iVa8&feature=related)

YouTube - WILLIE NELSON HAPPY TO BE AT FARM AID AFTER DRUG BUST (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjpRaBV60SE&feature=related)

magprob
Nov 18, 2007, 10:11 PM
Umm, I know it's late, oh Mag of mag's, but I still beleive the folksy blues is better done here:
YouTube - Bob Dylan - Like A Rolling Stone (From Unreleased Hard Rain) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9-FbvTJJLM)

YES SIR!

magprob
Nov 18, 2007, 11:04 PM
YouTube - Tommy Chong - The IChong - Convict Doper in Palm Springs (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3iKAfqWPkQU&feature=related)

alkalineangel
Nov 18, 2007, 11:45 PM
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alkalineangel
Nov 18, 2007, 11:52 PM
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alkalineangel
Nov 19, 2007, 12:10 AM
Yes, but this is member discussions... IM sure there was more to you being banned than just stupidity.

Chery
Nov 19, 2007, 03:19 AM
Chery, that song say's it all... because that is what friends are for!!
Thank you, sweetie!

Any time... Did you ever get your emoticons issue fixed. You might have stronger antispyware and on your PC than what I have. I use Cyberdefender and on another I use AVG Free.
But, it still is weird how it works for some and not for others...

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_4_61.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_18_14.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_18_10.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000)Just found some new smilies, and thought I'd share them. Too bad I cannot vote.

CaptainRich
Nov 19, 2007, 05:17 AM
I have both Internet Explorer and FireFox on this PC. Protected w/ Norton's 2005 Internet Security software over Windows XP Home - SP2 (Should I try turning Norton off?)
The smiley's are on a button at the top of this page, but I can't find a way to place them in here.
I've tried many different combinations, but cannot find the magic mix.
I therefore leave the cute emoticons as your personal trademark.

NeedKarma
Nov 19, 2007, 05:37 AM
Testing my new avatar. Seems a little fuzzy, better use my photoshop skilz.

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 09:38 AM
-----Defence against the dark forces----- This may at first glance sound like something from a Harry Potterbook, but there is in fact a very serious side to this subject. I do not usually talk about "conspiracies" and I do not intend to do so - focusing on these dark forces gives them Energy. At the same time however there is so much misinformation out there, which is increasing by the day it seems, that we really need to get this whole "conspiracy" thing into the correct perspective. Many people will know that the so called "war on terror", which was almost certainly contrived by the US and UK governments inparticular following the "9/11" event is completely contrived and fictitious - a front for a much darker agenda of power and control, culminating in everyone being compelled, by law, to submit to being injected by a so called "RFID" chip of the type that are already being covertly introduced in drivers licences, passports, credit cards etc. An RFID chip is a small but complex electronic device that can be physically implanted into the human body, in much the same way as those available for pets. RFID chips go far beyond "ID"- they can include tracking by satellite, authorising access to public places, authorising transactions and much more that we need not discuss. Suffice it to say they are generally designed to strip people of their liberties and freewill. Knowledge is power. Knowing this danger exists and how to avoid it is all that really matters in terms of these dark agendas. I raise this issue in a proper context before you inevitably read some other distorted and potentially biased account elsewhere, from factions that might not always have your best interests to heart. It does raise the question however that if this is what the people who control the governments wish to do, why do they not simply enforce it my law at this stage? There may well be a very good reason for this in fact. It is a fact that dark forces generally cannot, for whatever reason, act against the wishes of their intended victim. For example - a dark force entity cannot "possess" a person, without first being invited to do so. The dark entity usually accomplishes this by "tricking" the victim into "inviting" them into their body". The same applies to the RFID chip. It is important to the dark forces behind this agenda that everyone not only accepts this invasive "chip" voluntarily, but in fact are also willing and preferably even happy to do so. The " voluntarily, but in fact are also willing and preferably even happy to do so. The " is designed to make people so fearful, and feel so insecure, that they will go to almost any lengths to do what they feel will protect themselves and their families from a totally fictitious, invented and contrived "terrorist threat" is designed to make people so fearful, and feel so insecure, that they will go to almost any lengths to do what they feel will protect themselves and their families from a totally fictitious, invented and contrived "ID'd", including being "Neither shall they say, lo here! Or, lo there! For,behold, the kingdom of Heaven is within you", and of course tracked and eventually controlled by the RFID chip. The message is simple - do not accept any form of invasive technology or other instrument in your life or that of your children. We all create our own reality at all levels. If we do not wish to accept terrorism or suffer the control planned by the dark forces that in turn control the governments, media and many other factions, then simply know only Peace, Harmony, Joy, Service to others before service to self and above all Unconditional Love, in the face of which all darkness simply dissipates back into the Energy from whence it came. If everyone knew only Harmony, Joy, Service to others before service to self and above all Unconditional Love then not only will we realise the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, but as we approach The Transition of the Ages, we can expect only the best possible and most glorious outcome for all humanity as opposed to the consequences a dark or negative focus would inevitably bring. So be very careful who and what you listen to, who or what you believe and above all who and what you focus on and know to be true. The truth and the power is within us All - let us all use it wisely as we approach the end of this great Age and transition to the next. Finally consider these great truths:
Christianity: "Those who know themselves know their God". -- Luke 17:21
Islam: "Look within, thou art Buddha".
Buddhism: "Atman (individual Consciousness) and Brahman (Universal Consciousness) are one".
Vedanta, part of Hinduism: "By understanding the self, all this Universe is known".
Upanishads, part of Hinduism: "God dwells within you as you". Yoga, part of Hinduism: "Heaven, Earth and human are of one body".
Confucianism: "On that day, you will know that I am in my Father,and you in me, and I in you". -- John 14:20
Adrian

startover22
Nov 19, 2007, 09:44 AM
yes, but this is member discussions....IM sure there was more to you being banned than just stupidity.
I don't understand?? :confused: Was someone banned...
Go Mag! I liked the part about being careful who you listen to the best sweet! (yourself would be best in most situations)

alkalineangel
Nov 19, 2007, 09:57 AM
Yes, there was a lovely member here last night, who has now oviously (and not that I'm surprised) been banned again... lol..

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 10:01 AM
Frost_Bite?

startover22
Nov 19, 2007, 10:01 AM
Got it... thanks

rpg219
Nov 19, 2007, 10:02 AM
Okay mag... you got me! It took me this long to drop my honesty and intrude on your privacy :) Hi

alkalineangel
Nov 19, 2007, 02:22 PM
Frost_Bite?

LOL... no it was I_H8_CURLEYBEN... lol. I figured from the beginning he was going to be a problem (since he showed such maturity). He was banned once before and thought he'd be smart and come back as someone else... lol.

startover22
Nov 19, 2007, 02:24 PM
LMAO, that was his user name? He isn't scared is he?

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 07:31 PM
Okay mag...you got me! It took me this long to drop my honesty and intrude on your privacy :) Hi
Well... you get the 5 cent tour then get the hell out!

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 07:33 PM
LOL...no it was I_H8_CURLEYBEN...lol. I figured from the beginning he was going to be a problem (since he showed such maturity). He was banned once before and thought he'd be smart and come back as someone else...lol.

I never ran across this silly bloke. I could have had fun with him! Lock him in here with me for 1 hour!

J_9
Nov 19, 2007, 07:44 PM
I had this one once

HeyJ_9suxass


LMAO

CaptainRich
Nov 19, 2007, 07:53 PM
Freaks, huh?! I guess they're going to be there... just watch where you put yer foot down! :eek:

startover22
Nov 19, 2007, 08:08 PM
Freaks? Yes... whoa, whoa!

friend4u178
Nov 19, 2007, 08:10 PM
Not sure if this is quite your thing Mag but I'm sure the girls will like it.

YouTube - Plain White T's - Hey There Delilah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJtYqBYCV8)

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 08:37 PM
Not sure if this is quite your thing Mag but I'm sure the girls will like it.

YouTube - Plain White T's - Hey There Delilah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJtYqBYCV8)
I love that song. It grabbed me the first time I heard it a year or so ago. Thanks. I wasn't sure who did it but now I have it in my collection. :rolleyes:

startover22
Nov 19, 2007, 08:39 PM
And yes, the ladies like that song too!

friend4u178
Nov 19, 2007, 08:39 PM
Glad you liked it...

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 08:40 PM
I had this one once

heyJ_9suxass


LMAO

Kiddie stuff. Needs a spankin!

startover22
Nov 19, 2007, 08:41 PM
I thought J only gave shots?

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 08:50 PM
She spanks too!

Synnen
Nov 19, 2007, 09:12 PM
Mmmmm... spankings.

magprob
Nov 19, 2007, 09:51 PM
I've been naughty.

magprob
Nov 20, 2007, 12:11 AM
Testing 123 oh yes.
This is some neat. I have Dragon speech recognition software. I am very slow using it right now, but I am practicing. When I get good and fast, I'm going to do a 72 hour straight talkathon. For 72 hours straight, I will just keep posting, and posting, and posting. Well, I'm off to us practice so get ready!

CaptainRich
Nov 20, 2007, 05:13 AM
I've heard of that software, Mag. Let me know how well you like it, and it's ease of use.

startover22
Nov 20, 2007, 08:53 AM
Testing 123 oh yes.
This is some neat. I have Dragon speech recognition software. I am very slow using it right now, but I am practicing. When I get good and fast, I'm going to do a 72 hour straight talkathon.! For 72 hours straight, I will just keep posting, and posting, and posting. Well, I'm off to us practice so get ready!
NOOOOOOO!! But that sure sounds cool... I love talkathons...

magprob
Nov 20, 2007, 04:21 PM
New Fed forecast sees slower growth, tame inflation in 2008

By Greg Robb


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The U.S. economy will slow by more than previously thought in 2008 but inflation will remain tame, according to the economic forecasts of top Federal Reserve officials released for the first time on Tuesday. Fed officials said growth would slow to a range of 1.8% to 2.5% next year, down from growth around 2.45% in 2007. Some Fed officials were more pessimistic, putting growth down as low as 1.6% next year. The unemployment rate is expected to tick up to about 4.9% in the fourth quarter of 2008, up from the latest reading in October. Inflation is expected to remain contained. Headline inflation, as measured by the PCE index, is expected to slow to 1.8%-2.1% in 2008, down from around 2.95% this year. Core inflation will remain steady in a range of 1.7%-1.9%. The Fed forecasts go out to 2012. The Fed sees the economy growing at a moderate pace in the neighborhood of 2.6% in 2009 and 2010, with a steady unemployment rate and continued low inflation. The Fed sees the end of the world in the mid to last part of 2012, at which time inflation and unemployment should drop to near zero. The fed cited wars as the best tool to stimulate the economy and most importantly, corporate growth, so we can look forward to constant war until the final end.

NeedKarma
Nov 20, 2007, 04:29 PM
Damn Mayans were right after all!

magprob
Nov 20, 2007, 07:50 PM
Scientists breed see-through frogs
Transparent animals opens new frontier for dissection-free research
The Associated Press
updated 10:39 a.m. MT, Mon. Oct. 1, 2007
HIROSHIMA, Japan - Scientists at Hiroshima University have succeeded in breeding see-through frogs — an innovation that could cut down on future dissections.
Transparent fishes have been around for a long time, but Professor Masayuki Sumida said the new line of frogs were the world's first transparent four-legged animals.
Sumida, an amphibian specialist who led the university's research team, said the transparent-skinned frogs could have become widely used in scientific research because internal organs and blood vessels can be observed without dissecting the creatures.
Frogs are frequently used for research, but such projects have created increased criticism from animal protection groups. Sumida said the best way to appease the animal rights groups is to breed see-through human beings.
See through human beings will make costly x ray machines obsolete while allowing scientists to continue their medically important work on reduced ozone protection and the effects it has on see through people.

J_9
Nov 20, 2007, 08:06 PM
??

Get back on the short bus. Time for your shot

magprob
Nov 20, 2007, 08:10 PM
Hi J. I see you still have cognitive overload.

J_9
Nov 20, 2007, 08:16 PM
Cognitive overload is an understatement!!

J_9
Nov 20, 2007, 08:17 PM
Cranium crunch?

magprob
Nov 20, 2007, 08:24 PM
Been there, done that! Makes the world a hazy place. Hummm, that may be my constant state! :)

startover22
Nov 20, 2007, 10:19 PM
J..?
Chit, are you all right, I haven't heard a gosh darn thing... I need a shot... NOW!! Oh goodness me... sorry to interrupt Mag, but a shot is needed...

magprob
Nov 20, 2007, 10:50 PM
CHK CHK BLAM * BLAM * BLAM * BLAM *

There, shots.

magprob
Nov 22, 2007, 12:27 AM
We plan to blast off for the sun first thing in the morning. People ask us if we are afraid we might burn up when we get there but we got that all figured out. You see, it will take us three years to get there, and we figure we should, if our calkulations are correct, arrive at night.


https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5338&stc=1&d=1195716144

magprob
Nov 22, 2007, 12:35 AM
As you can see, we have many hours of astonaught training. Here is Jim Bob doing a 48 hour marathon in the antigravity chamber. We are as ready as we will ever be.


https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5339&stc=1&d=1195716778

magprob
Nov 22, 2007, 12:41 AM
For instance, here is our mobil module simulater/playboy club/rec room where we do most of our highly top secret stuff. Sorry, I can't show you the inside. Top Secret!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5340&stc=1&d=1195717092

magprob
Nov 22, 2007, 12:43 AM
See you when we git back. Don't forget to feed the hogs.

mongoose102860
Nov 22, 2007, 12:47 AM
Ooooooook!!

startover22
Nov 22, 2007, 12:45 PM
Happy Thanksgiving Magatory...

Chery
Nov 22, 2007, 12:49 PM
For instance, here is our mobil module simulater/playboy club/rec room where we do most of our highly top secret stuff. Sorry, I can't show you the inside. Top Secret!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5340&stc=1&d=1195717092

Harmless on the outside... danger on the inside! Just my kind of place!

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_5_11.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_5_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_5_19.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000)Happy Turkey Dat!

startover22
Nov 22, 2007, 12:49 PM
Happy day to you too sweet Chery... Hugs, off for now!

Chery
Nov 22, 2007, 12:52 PM
I got to go too, going to eat with my grandson.

Will catch you and Myth when I get back.

Oh, Mag, CBW, Angel, and all,, you too - enjoy the day!

J_9
Nov 22, 2007, 01:20 PM
Oh, the smells of Turkey Day. One of my favorite smells. Good thing Magpie is off to the sun, we don't have to deal with his gastrointestinal disorders on such and odoriforous day!!

magprob
Nov 22, 2007, 01:22 PM
And a happy Holiday to you all. I made my world famous baked beans last night plus an extra dish for just me. I ate too many last night and they have quarantined me. Man, I'm fartin like a mule!
We called off the launch. I forgot about that pecan pie.

startover22
Nov 22, 2007, 01:24 PM
LMAO, Mag... goodness sweet...

J_9
Nov 22, 2007, 01:28 PM
Oh, Magpie, I can smell it from here!!

You got enough gas to launch you to the sun!

Now get outside!!

**gag, cough, sputter... DIE**

Clough
Nov 23, 2007, 05:25 AM
Whew! I'm gettin' out of here! :D

magprob
Nov 23, 2007, 10:08 PM
Do you ever wonder where all the farts go? They go up into the atmosphere, and they form the fart zone. It's right above the ozone layer, and that's why we have to protect the ozone layer!

J_9
Nov 23, 2007, 10:09 PM
So is this the major cause of global warming?

startover22
Nov 23, 2007, 10:10 PM
I wonder if they go straight to your brain sweet... that's what I wonder...

magprob
Nov 23, 2007, 11:00 PM
Been known to turn people into vegetables. Similar to a long catatonic transe.

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 01:38 PM
In the News: Signs That the Economic Egg Is Cracking

Just the interest on the U.S. government's burgeoning $9 trillion debt will soon be more than the taxpayers can afford to pay. When that happens, the economy will collapse unless the monetary system is radically overhauled. Articles are appearing daily in the news that bring the looming economic crisis into sharper focus and strengthen the case for monetary reform. Foreign central banks are increasingly abandoning the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency, while the impending implosion of the housing bubble threatens to bring down the whole money system, national and international. As the riskier mortgages go into foreclosure, the institutional investors owning them as mortgage-backed securities will be left holding the bag; and these institutional investors are largely the pension funds on which the retirements of workers depend. To keep up appearances, the "Plunge Protection Team" has been authorized by presidential order to use U.S. taxpayer money to manipulate markets to make them appear healthier than they are, and lately it has been working overtime. But official assurances of a "soft landing" are mere window dressing, aimed at preventing another worldwide depression as home buyers and stock market investors stampede for the exits.

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 01:43 PM
Scuse me, I got to go get sick. The spinning Spam has my head in a whirl!

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 01:56 PM
"The great Oz as spoken! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful Wizard of Oz!"

In refreshing contrast to the impenetrable writings of economists, the classic fairytale The Wizard of Oz has delighted young and old for over a century. It was first published by L. Frank Baum as The Wonderful Wizard of Oz in 1900. In 1939, it was made into a hit Hollywood movie starring Judy Garland, and later it was made into the popular stage play The Wiz. Few of the millions who have enjoyed this charming tale have suspected that its imagery was drawn from that most obscure and tedious of subjects, banking and finance. Fewer still have suspected that the real-life folk heroes who inspired its plot may have had the answer to the financial crisis facing the country today!

The economic allusions in Baum's tale were first observed in 1964 by a schoolteacher named Henry Littlefield, who called the story "a parable on Populism," referring to the People's Party movement challenging the banking monopoly in the late nineteenth century.1 Other analysts later picked up the theme. Economist Hugh Rockoff, writing in the Journal of Political Economy in 1990, called the story a "monetary allegory."2 Professor Tim Ziaukas, writing in 1998, stated:

"The Wizard of Oz".. . Was written at a time when American society was consumed by the debate over the "financial question," that is, the creation and circulation of money.. . The characters of "The Wizard of Oz" represented those deeply involved in the debate: the Scarecrow as the farmers, the Tin Woodman as the industrial workers, the Lion as silver advocate William Jennings Bryan and Dorothy as the archetypal American girl.3
The Germans established the national fairytale tradition with Grimm's Fairy Tales, a collection of popular folklore gathered by the Brothers Grimm specifically to reflect German populist traditions and national values.4 Baum's tale did the same thing for the American populist (or people's) tradition. The Wizard of Oz has been called "the first truly American fairytale."5 It was all about people power, manifesting your dreams, finding what you wanted in your own backyard. According to Littlefield, the march of Dorothy and her friends to the Emerald City to petition the Wizard of Oz for help was patterned after the 1894 march from Ohio to Washington of an "Industrial Army" led by Jacob Coxey, urging Congress to return to the Greenback system initiated by Abraham Lincoln. The march of Coxey's Army on Washington began a long tradition of people taking to the streets in peaceful protest when there seemed no other way to voice their appeals. As Lawrence Goodwin, author of The Populist Moment, described the nineteenth century movement to change the money system:

[T]here was once a time in history when people acted.. . [F]armers were trapped in debt. They were the most oppressed of Americans, they experimented with cooperative purchasing and marketing, they tried to find their own way out of the strangle hold of debt to merchants, but none of this could work if they couldn't get capital. So they had to turn to politics, and they had to organize themselves into a party.. . [T]he populists didn't just organize a political party, they made a movement. They had picnics and parties and newsletters and classes and courses, and they taught themselves, and they taught each other, and they became a group of people with a sense of purpose, a group of people with courage, a group of people with dignity.6
Like the Populists, Dorothy and her troop discovered that they had the power to solve their own problems and achieve their own dreams. The Scarecrow in search of a brain, the Tin Man in search of a heart, the Lion in search of courage actually had what they wanted all along. When the Wizard's false magic proved powerless, the Wicked Witch was vanquished by a defenseless young girl and her little dog. When the Wizard disappeared in his hot air balloon, the unlettered Scarecrow took over as leader of Oz.

The Wizard of Oz came to embody the American dream and the American national spirit. In the United States, the land of abundance, all you had to do was to realize your potential and manifest it. That was one of the tale's morals, but it also contained a darker one, a message for which its imagery has become a familiar metaphor: that there are invisible puppeteers pulling the strings of the puppets we see on the stage, in a show that is largely illusion.

Web of Debt - Chapter 1 (http://www.webofdebt.com/excerpts/chapter-1.php)

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 01:59 PM
That is my favorite movie of all time. I won't let you ruin it for me...

(in my loudest singing voice)

Somewhere over the rainbow
Way up high
There's a land that I heard of
Once in a lullaby

Somewhere over the rainbow
Skies are blue
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true

Some day I'll wish upon a star
And wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where troubles melt like lemondrops
Away above the chimney tops
That's where you'll find me

Somewhere over the rainbow
Bluebirds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then, oh why can't I?
Some day I'll wish upon a star
And wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where troubles melt like lemondrops
Away above the chimney tops
That's where you'll find me

Somewhere over the rainbow
Bluebirds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then, oh why can't I?

If happy little bluebirds fly
Beyond the rainbow
Why, oh why can't I?

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 02:52 PM
You ain't heard that song till you hear "IZ" do it. The BIIIG Coconut!

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 02:54 PM
Oh, yeah I've heard it!!

YouTube - Israel Kamakawiwo'ole - Somewhere Over The Rainbow Lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe5p1BXNCQM)

I do actually think maybe that I might like it too!

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 02:56 PM
Yea! I hoped so! I have all his CDs. I love him.

Chery
Nov 24, 2007, 02:57 PM
That is my favorite movie of all time. I won't let you ruin it for me....

(in my loudest singing voice)

Somewhere over the rainbow
Way up high
There's a land that I heard of
Once in a lullaby

Somewhere over the rainbow
Skies are blue
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true

Some day I'll wish upon a star
And wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where troubles melt like lemondrops
Away above the chimney tops
That's where you'll find me

Somewhere over the rainbow
Bluebirds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then, oh why can't I?
Some day I'll wish upon a star
And wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where troubles melt like lemondrops
Away above the chimney tops
That's where you'll find me

Somewhere over the rainbow
Bluebirds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then, oh why can't I?

If happy little bluebirds fly
Beyond the rainbow
Why, oh why can't I?

Oh, Janine, that was super!
I tried singing this to Alexander, but did not do a good job cause I get short of breath and throat give out. I will make sure Jaime sings it to him often because it's a song worth remembering.

Thanks Hon!

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enigmagnetic
Nov 24, 2007, 02:59 PM
Magprob, nice Oz link. I think Ron Paul read that website. Here's a link. Political positions of Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Opposition_to_infl ation_and_the_Federal_Reserve)

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 02:59 PM
Oh, Cher, I sit here listening to it and get all mushy thinking of all you have been through in the past year. Please ask Jaime to keep in touch with me.

You are an amazing inspiration.

Chery
Nov 24, 2007, 03:35 PM
Janine, honey, I'm way past the 'mushy' part. I have already given Jaime all the necessary information to contact AMHD and to communicate in the Garden, this thread and one on Member's discussion. She is to post a message from me to you for me when the time comes.

So... until then, let's have a good time and enjoy being here. Because I know what I have been through, and other's have been through a lot also, that's life, and I've accepted it - what other choices do we have??

I went through the usual phases of denial, depression, anger, hurt, etc. and now I just am glad that more than most, I get the opportunity to take care of a few things and enjoy the heck out of myself because I have literally nothing else to loose. I promise that I will curb myself if and when I really want to tell someone how it 'really' is in some relationship posts... If they only knew that their problems were not as unique as they think they are... but I've been there too, and received help, and I enjoy helping them survive their crisis as much as I can.

There are just a few that absolutely drive me crazy though,, like Emopunk and another one - I guess some will never learn and/or listen. I have noticed that you too have 'given up' up on some - hey, we try to help, but also have a right to keep our sanity, don't we?

So, now let's have a party and kick some (oops - word got deleted here), cause you will have to study again soon... and there are a lot of kids waiting to be born here, and while waiting, they are giving their mom's a heck of a time. I wish them all well.

P.S. Magpie - Put up with me a little longer hon, destiny will reward you for it. And I just got all dolled up for you, as you can see on my smiley.. Love, Chery..

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_9_15.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE) edit - by the way, Mag... I love beans too, make great chili!

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 03:38 PM
Again Cher, you are an inspiration. I don't know if Jaime or you still have my email, but I spoke with Jaime quite often while you were in the hospital. I would like to keep in touch with her.

Maybe I'm just mushy from lack of sleep, you know how hard I can be on these kiddos, and that I am not a mushy person in general.

Maybe I just need a good strong shot of something. LOL

Uh, oh, about out of smokes, better get running to the store.

Chery
Nov 24, 2007, 03:55 PM
WOW Mag... I just got through reading post #461 from you...

This is not usual for you to express yourself so extensively, or write that much, so... what drugs have you been taking lately? (ha ha). You have a lot of knowledge and thanks for sharing. It is great when we can share our knowledge with other individuals and receive some back from them without being shy about it or being prohibited by those around us who are always too busy to listen..

I notice that when I take my new medication I tend to go on and on and on... but I hope I still make some sense. If I don't, please let me know, OK.


http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_33_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE)When people 'shut me out' of convesations, I just think, one day, they will remember every word I said or wrote, because they too will have times when they feel totally left out...

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 06:37 PM
WOW Mag... I just got through reading post #461 from you....

This is not usual for you to express yourself so extensively, or write that much, so... what drugs have you been taking lately? (ha ha). You have a lot of knowledge and thanks for sharing. It is great when we can share our knowledge with other individuals and receive some back from them without being shy about it or being prohibited by those around us who are always too busy to listen..

I notice that when I take my new medication I tend to go on and on and on... but I hope I still make some sense. If I don't, please let me know, OK.


http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_33_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE)When people 'shut me out' of convesations, I just think, one day, they will remember every word I said or wrote, because they too will have times when they feel totally left out...

Actually, I didn't write that. You will find the link at the bottom. I just happen to agree 100%. Her book is very good and the truth of our money system.

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 08:04 PM
Anyone like Harry Potter?

Bored.com - Harry Potter In The Hood (http://bored.com/videoparodies/harrypotterinthehood.htm)

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 08:04 PM
Creature's weak spot: jelly doughnuts

Whether a mystery critter roaming northern Florida is an orangutan, a "baby Bigfoot" or something else, wildlife officials think it might have a sweet tooth.

A bear hunter said an animal that could be an orangutan stole jelly doughnuts from him. A wildlife investigator tried without success to use doughnuts to lure the creature into the open in Baker County.

There have been several sightings of what witnesses have described as a "big orange ball of fur," although officials have yet to identify it, said Karen Parker, a spokeswoman for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission.

Some residents think the animal is a spider monkey or even a squirrel. Fish and wildlife investigator Ken Holmes said he got a call from a Bigfoot research group asking about it.

I fell for that jelly doughnut trick once.

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 08:06 PM
Anyone like Harry Potter?

Bored.com - Harry Potter In The Hood (http://bored.com/videoparodies/harrypotterinthehood.htm)

OK, That's it! Get out and don't come back!

startover22
Nov 24, 2007, 08:08 PM
Just going to say hi and walk away...

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 08:12 PM
Oh, come on big guy, whatcha going to do to me? Huh? Huh?

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 09:30 PM
I've had to gather my senses. I'm sorry, but when you put the two things I despise the most ( Rap and Harry Potter) into my inner sanctum of nonsensical pandamonium, it has the effect of corruption to all that is sacred and dear. Please don't do that.

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 09:32 PM
It's too funny, if you don't like either, you may just get a kick out of it.

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 09:38 PM
A woman went to her doctor for advice. She told the physician that her husband had developed a penchant for anal sex, and she wasn't sure it was such a good idea.

The Doctor asked, "Do you enjoy it?"

She said that she did.

He asked, "Does it hurt you?" She said no.

The Doctor then told her, "Well, then, there's no reason that you shouldn't practice anal sex, if that's what you like, so long as you take care not to get pregnant." The woman was mystified.

She asked, "You can get pregnant from anal sex?"

The Doctor replied, "Of course. Where do you think lawyers come from?"

J_9
Nov 24, 2007, 09:44 PM
Can you get pregnant with a dildo?

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 09:49 PM
How many bisexuals does it take to change a light bulb?

That depends... is it AC or DC?

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 09:50 PM
Can you get pregnant with a dildo?

No, but you can get pregnant from a toilet seat!

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 09:52 PM
An old woman is riding in an elevator in a very lavish New York City building when a young, beautiful woman gets into the elevator, smelling of expensive perfume. She turns to the old woman and says arrogantly, "Romance" by Ralph Lauren, $150 an ounce!"

Then another young and beautiful woman gets on the elevator, and also very arrogantly turns to the old woman saying, "Chanel No. 5, $200 an ounce!"

About three floors later, the old woman has reached her destination and is about to get off the elevator. Before she leaves, she looks both beautiful women in the eye, then bends over and farts and says, "Broccoli - 49 cents a pound!"

magprob
Nov 24, 2007, 10:16 PM
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5361&stc=1&d=1195967707

Chery
Nov 25, 2007, 02:39 AM
A woman went to her doctor for advice. She told the physician that her husband had developed a penchant for anal sex, and she wasn't sure it was such a good idea.

The Doctor asked, "Do you enjoy it?"

She said that she did.

He asked, "Does it hurt you?" She said no.

The Doctor then told her, "Well, then, there's no reason that you shouldn't practice anal sex, if that's what you like, so long as you take care not to get pregnant." The woman was mystified.

She asked, "You can get pregnant from anal sex?"

The Doctor replied, "Of course. Where do you think lawyers come from?"

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_13.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE)Janine... that was a good one!

Chery
Nov 25, 2007, 02:44 AM
An old woman is riding in an elevator in a very lavish New York City building when a young, beautiful woman gets into the elevator, smelling of expensive perfume. She turns to the old woman and says arrogantly, "Romance" by Ralph Lauren, $150 an ounce!"

Then another young and beautiful woman gets on the elevator, and also very arrogantly turns to the old woman saying, "Chanel No. 5, $200 an ounce!"

About three floors later, the old woman has reached her destination and is about to get off the elevator. Before she leaves, she looks both beautiful women in the eye, then bends over and farts and says, "Broccoli - 49 cents a pound!"

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_219.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE)What's the price of beans per pound?

Chery
Nov 25, 2007, 02:46 AM
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5361&stc=1&d=1195967707

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_30_126.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE) As far as porn goes, that's the best I have ever seen!

startover22
Nov 25, 2007, 08:59 PM
LOL Chery, you crazy lady!

J_9
Nov 25, 2007, 10:29 PM
LOL Chery, you crazy lady!!

LOL, I is a crazy lady right now!! Don't ask me why, but I is!!

magprob
Nov 25, 2007, 10:49 PM
I'm confused.

Synnen
Nov 25, 2007, 11:03 PM
J--you still up at this hour? Naughty girl!

Chery
Nov 26, 2007, 11:45 AM
I'm confused.

That's OK, dear Being confused is a heck of a lot better than being bored!

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kp2171
Nov 26, 2007, 10:26 PM
Can you get pregnant with a dildo?

Well I've been drinking (pinot grigio tnite) so I'm willing to try! Wheres the primer? Is it a 2 cycle?

kp2171
Nov 26, 2007, 10:28 PM
That's OK, dear Being confused is a heck of a lot better than being bored!

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Dear Lord, yes.

You've validated my existence.

Cheers!

wizzkid89
Nov 26, 2007, 10:45 PM
Due to my extensive knowledge provided to me by both the State of South Dakota and California Sexual Education Courses, I am happy to inform all of you that it indeed is impossible to get pregnant off a didlo... unless you are in the Las Vegas city limits... because as well all know anything is possible in Sin city...

startover22
Nov 26, 2007, 11:21 PM
Wow... long time Wizz, hope you are well!
Good evening Mag... hope you get the privacy we all want you to have!

magprob
Nov 27, 2007, 12:35 AM
YouTube - High Rockabilly Pre-Party with Los Straitjackets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm7ToufVUgc&feature=related)

YouTube - Twist Party w/ Pontani Sisters, Straitjackets & KaiserGeorge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT3e-Ow81H8&feature=related)

shatteredsoul
Nov 27, 2007, 08:51 AM
YOU so crazy

Chery
Nov 27, 2007, 03:27 PM
Due to my extensive knowledge provided to me by both the State of South Dakota and California Sexual Education Courses, I am happy to inform all of you that it indeed is impossible to get pregnant off a didlo....unless you are in the Las Vegas city limits...because as well all know anything is possible in Sin city...

Hey hon, missed you!
Got some of my education in 'Sin City' and to my knowledge, no reported dildo pregnancies yet, but as you said... 'anything is possible'.
Where have you been hanging out lately? Were those courses in California more like 'correspondence' or actually 'hands-on'?

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magprob
Nov 27, 2007, 03:39 PM
The Dow moved up 215 points today when all indications tell us it should drop into the dark abyss of hell itself. Video game companies saved the day.
Is this what it has come to? Is this what we have based our entire economy on? Video games? I don't want to arouse anyone's suspicions but, has this country turned into a mass society of vidiots?
People are losing their homes, cars, credit and their a$$e$ too so are they all still playing video games... like in an alley somewhere. What am I missing here? I really am confused.

And there's a score of harebrained children
They're all locked in the nursery
They got earphone heads they got dirty necks
They're so 21st century
Well they queue up for the bathroom
'Round about 7:35
Don'cha think we need a woman's touch to make it come alive?

startover22
Nov 27, 2007, 03:41 PM
You are right... MAG, dang you have gotten me to say that twice now.
Shame on you!

magprob
Nov 27, 2007, 03:46 PM
The only reason the finance companies don't repo all the cars in default in California is because they have no place to park them and the ex-owners haven't got their video games out of the trunk yet.

wizzkid89
Nov 27, 2007, 03:46 PM
Hey hon, missed ya!
Got some of my education in 'Sin City' and to my knowledge, no reported dildo pregnancies yet, but as you said...'anything is possible'.
Where have you been hanging out lately? Were those courses in California more like 'correspondence' or actually 'hands-on'?

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Haha nicely done. How should I put this. I am one of those people who truly believes practice makes perfect. As for everything else in life right now, I'm just chilling, it's getting kind of busy though since the holidays are coming up and all. How is everyone else doing?

wizzkid89
Nov 27, 2007, 03:49 PM
The only reason the finance companies don't repo all the cars in default in California is because they have no place to park them and the ex-owners haven't got thier video games out of the trunk yet.


Hey hey hey video games is an American phenomenon, not just a California thing...

startover22
Nov 27, 2007, 03:50 PM
I don't play video games...
My kids get a half hour nightly on theirs!
Am I working toward a better future?

magprob
Nov 27, 2007, 03:50 PM
You are right......MAG, dang you have gotten me to say that twice now.
Shame on you!

If I work on you long enough, you will believe everything I say. When that happens, I'll think up a new line of BS.

Like college degrees, BS= Bull Sh!T
MS= More Sh!T and PHD= Piled Higher and Deeper.

J_9
Nov 27, 2007, 03:57 PM
Does anyone know how to give a shot besides me? I need something to sleep. A little thorazine maybe?

startover22
Nov 27, 2007, 07:49 PM
I could do it on a whim... I may throw up on you, but if you need it that bad, I could sweet! Poor J...

kp2171
Nov 27, 2007, 09:27 PM
Does anyone know how to give a shot besides me? I need something to sleep. A little thorazine maybe?

I pour a mean tequilla and tabasco.

Does that count?

Eh... you're asleep by the time I post this. Oh well... ill pour one on the ground for me homies.

*snicker* I make myself giggle when I'm all ghetto.

magprob
Nov 27, 2007, 09:43 PM
The company responsible for both the development of ethanol technology and high fructose corn syrup is Archer Daniels Midland. They did it all with government grants and it allowed them to control the price of corn (they play corn and soy futures on the commodities markets).

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:10 AM
The Evil Federal Reserve
By THOMAS D. SCHAUF, CPA (certified public accountant)

I applaud the thousands of patriotic Americans who are spreading the word so we can live in economic prosperity and uphold our Constitutional rights.

ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT CONGRESS SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO COIN (CREATE) MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF.

IN 1935 THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT CONGRESS CANNOT CONSTITUTIONALLY DELEGATE ITS POWER TO ANOTHER GROUP. (Reference 22, P. 168)

Rothschild, a London Banker, wrote a letter saying "It (Central Bank ) gives the National Bank almost complete control of national finance. The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class... The great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending, will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical (contrary) to their interests." [The bankers created the legislation for the FED]

In 1913, before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, Mr. Alexander stated: "But the whole scheme of a Federal Reserve Bank with its commercial-paper basis is an impractical, cumbersome machinery, is simply a cover, to find a way to secure the privilege of issuing money and to evade payment of as much tax upon circulation as possible, and then control the issue and maintain, instead of reduce, interest rates. It is a system that, if inaugurated, will prove to the advantage of the few and the detriment of the people of the United States. It will mean continued shortage of actual money and further extension of credits; for when there is a lack of real money people have to borrow credit to their cost."


Dear American:
Pursuant to your request, I will attempt to clear up questions you have about the Federal Reserve Bank (FED). I spent much time researching the FED and these are the shocking and revealing conclusions.

THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof. Today however, the FED, which is a privately owned company, controls and profits by printing money through the Treasury, and regulating its value.

The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
(Reference 14, P. 13, Reference 12, P. 152)
These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America (our forefathers were fighting their own government), they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt (Reference 4, 22).

The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank.
(Reference 22)

First National Bank of New York
James Stillman
National City Bank, New York
Mary W. Harnman
National Bank of Commerce, New York
A.D. Jiullard
Hanover National Bank, New York
Jacob Schiff
Chase National Bank, New York
Thomas F. Ryan
Paul Warburg
William Rockefeller
Levi P. Morton
M.T. Pyne
George F. Baker
Percy Pyne
Mrs. G.F. St. George
J.W. Sterling
Katherine St. George
H.P. Davidson
J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life)
Edith Brevour T. Baker
(Reference 4 for above, Reference 22 has details, P. 92, 93, 96, 179)
How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation (Reference 3, 4, 5). When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied (referring to the FED), "I have unwittingly ruined my country" (Reference 17, P. 31). Now the banks financially back sympathetic candidates. Not surprisingly, most of these candidates are elected (Reference 1, P. 208-210, Reference 12, P. 235, Reference 14, P. 36). The bankers employ members of the Congress on weekends (nickname T&T club -out Thursday... -in Tuesday) with lucrative salaries (Reference 1, P. 209). Additionally, the FED started buying up the media in the 1930's and now owns or significantly influences most of it
(Reference 3, 10, 11, P. 145).

Presidents Lincoln, Jackson, and Kennedy tried to stop this family of bankers by printing U.S. dollars without charging the taxpayers interest (Reference 4). Today, if the government runs a deficit, the FED prints dollars through the U.S. Treasury, buys the debt, and the dollars are circulated into the economy. In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing money virtually cost free (Reference 12, P. 265). Forty percent of our personal federal income taxes goes to pay this interest. The FED's books are not open to the public. Congress has yet to audit it.

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:11 AM
Congressman Wright Patman was Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Banking and Currency for 40 years. For 20 of those years, he introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913. Congressman Henry Gonzales, Chairman of a banking committee, introduces legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913 nearly every year. It's always defeated, the media remains silent, and the public never learns the truth. The same bankers who own the FED control the media and give huge political contributions to sympathetic members of Congress (Reference 12, P. 155-163, Reference 22, P. 158, 159, 166). THE FED FEARS THE POPULATION WILL BECOME AWARE OF THIS FRAUD AND DEMAND CHANGE. We, the People, are at fault for being passive and allowing this to continue.

Rep. Louis T. McFadden (R. Pa.) rose from office boy to become cashier and then President of the First National Bank in Canton Ohio. For 12 years he served as Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency, making him one of the foremost financial authorities in America. He fought continuously for fiscal integrity and a return to constitutional government (Reference 1). The following are portions of Rep. McFadden's speech, quoted from the Congressional Record, pages 12595-12603:

"THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD, A GOVERNMENT BOARD, HAS CHEATED THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OUT OF ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE NATIONAL DEBT. The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks acting together have cost this country ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE NATIONAL DEBT SEVERAL TIMES OVER."

About the Federal Reserve banks, Rep. McFadden said, "They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; the rich and predatory money lenders. This is an era of economic misery and for the reasons that caused that misery, the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks are fully liable."

On the subject of media control he state, "Half a million dollars was spent on one part of the propaganda organized by those same European bankers for the purpose of misleading public opinion in regard to it."

Rep. McFadden continued, "Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has USURPED THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. IT CONTROLS EVERYTHING HERE AND IT CONTROLS ALL OUR FOREIGN RELATIONS. IT MAKES AND BREAKS GOVERNMENTS AT WILL. No man and no body of men is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks. These evil-doers have robbed this country of more than enough money to pay the national debt. What the Government has permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should now be restored to the people."

"Our people's money to the extent of $1,200,000,000 has within the last few months been shipped abroad to redeem Federal Reserve Notes and to pay other gambling debts of the traitorous Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks. The greater part of our monetary stock has been shipped to foreigners. Why should we promise to pay the debts of foreigners to foreigners? Why should American Farmers and wage earners add millions of foreigners to the number of their dependents? Why should the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks be permitted to finance our competitors in all parts of the world?" Rep. McFadden asked.

"The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. FAITHLESS GOVERNMENT OFFICERS WHO HAVE VIOLATED THEIR OATHS SHOULD BE IMPEACHED AND BROUGHT TO TRIAL", Rep. McFadden concluded (Reference 1, contains an entire chapter on Rep. McFadden's speech).

If the media is unbiased, independent and completely thorough, why haven't they discussed the FED? Currently, half the states have at least a grass roots movement in action to abolish the FED, but there's no press coverage. In July, 1968, the House Banking Subcommittee reported that Rockefeller, through Chase Manhattan Bank, controlled 5.9% of the stock in CBS. Furthermore, the bank had gained interlocking directorates with ABC. In 1974, Congress issued a report stating that the Chase Manhattan Bank's stake in CBS rose to 14.1% and NBC to 4.5% (through RCA, the parent company of NBC). The same report said that the Chase Manhattan Bank held stock in 28 broadcasting firms. After this report, the Chase Manhattan Bank obtained 6.7% of ABC, and today the percentage could be much greater. It only requires 5% ownership to significantly influence the media (Reference 14, P. 56-57). This is only one of 300 wealthy shareholders of the FED. It is believed other FED owners have similar holdings in the media. To control the media, FED bankers call in their loans if the media disagrees with them (Reference 25, P. 134-137).

Rockefeller also controls the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the sole purpose of which is to aid in stimulating greater interest in foreign affairs and in a one world government. Nearly every major newscaster belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations controls many major newspapers and magazines. Additionally, major corporations owned by FED shareholders are the source of huge advertising revenues which surely would influence the media (Reference 14, P. 56-59). It can be no wonder why groups such as FED-UP(tm) receive minimal, if any, press attention.

How do taxpayers stop financing those whose purpose it is to destroy us? First, expose their activity, then demand change.

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:13 AM
THE SOLUTION:
Currently all we do is exchange FED money (interest attached) for real U.S. money (interest-free) dollar for dollar as Kennedy tried to do. We should not be required to pay interest on our own currency. According to Benjamin Franklin, this was one of the primary reasons we fought the Revolutionary War. Today we are still fighting the same family of bankers (Reference 4, Reference 1, P. 211, 212).

The U.S. Government can buy back the FED at any time for $450 million (per Congressional record). The U.S. Treasury could then collect all the profit on our money instead of the 300 original shareholders of the FED. The $4 trillion of U.S. debt could be exchanged dollar for dollar with U.S. non- interest bearing currency when the debt becomes due. There would be no inflation because there would be no additional currency in circulation. Personal income tax could be cut if we bought back the FED and therefore, the economy would expand. According to the Constitution, Congress is to control the creation of money, keeping the amount of inflation or deflation in check. If Congress isn't doing their job, they should be voted out of office. Unfortunately, voters can't vote the FED or its Chairman out of office.

If the government has a deficit, we could handle it as Lincoln and Kennedy did. Print money and circulate it into the economy, but this time interest-free. Today the FED, through foreign banks, owns much of our debt and therefore controls us. The FED will cease to exist as taxpayers become informed and tell other taxpayers. The news media and Congress will have no choice but to meet the demands of grass roots America. (Reference 1, P. 17, 22)



AMERICA DECEIVED
By law (check the Congressional record), we can buy back the FED for the original investment of the FED's 300 shareholders, which is $450 million (Reference 1, P. 227, Reference 17, P. 36). If each taxpayer paid $25, we could buy back the FED and all the profit would flow into the U.S. Treasury. In other words, by Congress allowing the constitutionally illegal FED to continue, much of your taxes go to the shareholders of the FED and their bankers. Note: The people who enacted the FED started the IRS, within months of the FED's inception. The FED buys U.S. debt with money they printed from nothing, then charges the U.S. taxpayers interest. The government had to create income tax to pay the interest expense to the FED's shareholders, but the income tax was never legally passed (Reference 20 shows details, state-by-state why it was not legally passed). The FED is illegal, per Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution. Not one state legally ratified the 16th Amendment making income tax legal. Currently, fewer and fewer Americans are being convicted for refusal to pay income taxes. In IRS jury trials, the jury, by law, must decide if the law is just. If taxpayers do not believe the law is just, the jury may declare the accused innocent. Judges are legally bound to inform juries of their right to determine the fairness of a law. Judges often do not disclose this information so they can control the court outcome. Luckily, more and more citizens are becoming informed. If one juror feels the law is unfair, they can find the defendant innocent (Reference 19). In Utah, the IRS quit prosecuting taxpayers because jurors verdict is not guilty. Please tell your friends and sit in the next jury.

If we eliminate the FED and uphold the Constitution, we could balance the budget and cut personal income tax to almost nothing. In Congressional hearings on September 30, 1941, FED Chairman Eccles admitted that the FED creates new money from thin air (printing press), and loans it back to us at interest (Reference 17, P. 93). On June 6, 1960, FED President Mr. Allen admitted essentially the same thing (Reference 22, P. 164). If you or I did this we would go to jail.

It is time to abolish the FED! Tell your friends the truth and win America back. We don't even need to buy back the FED. We only need to print money the way the Constitution requires, not the new proposed international money. We want to keep our sovereignty and print real U.S. money. Why has Congress allowed the FED to continue? If a Congressperson tries to abolish the FED, the banks fund the Congressperson's opponent in the next election (Reference 17, P. 35). The new Congressperson will obviously support the FED. When Congresspeople retire, political campaign funds are not taxed. Get elected and be a millionaire if you vote right. By the way, the profit of the FED is not taxed either (Reference 1, 9). Once America understands, and takes action, Congresspeople will then gladly abolish the FED. In 1992, Illinois Congressman Crane introduced a bill, co-sponsored by 40 other Congressman, to audit the FED. This is a step in the right direction.

America is a great nation. As "We the People" become informed, the media and Congress will be forced to buy back the FED, balance the budget, significantly cut taxes, and stop allowing bribes to determine voting strategies. I have already heard from politicians who claim they will change their platform to include abolishing the FED if enough people become informed. IT IS UP TO YOU TO INFORM THE PEOPLE.

The FED hopes you will be passive and not act on this information. We believe in grass roots America - we are waking up America. Ultimately, the battle plan is to inform all Americans and demand change in the media and Congress. True Americans should run for office and throw out the politicians who allow this fraud to continue. Congress may refuse to deal with this issue. That's why each person needs to go to their local county/state government with the proper paperwork and ask them to abolish the FED. With the proper documents, they are legally obligated to do it. WE NEED LEADERS TO BEGIN THIS ACTION. WILL YOU HELP?

Consider this fact. Most of the given sources in this booklet show how the blood line of family bankers who own the FED funded both sides of all major wars. They created fake colonial money to destroy the Americans during the Revolutionary War and tried to finance both sides in the American Civil War. Abraham Lincoln refused and the South accepted. Many publications show that these bankers financed World War I, World War II, and the Russian Revolutionary War, which helped Napoleon, Lenin, and Hitler come to power. They financed both sides from money created from nothing and profited greatly. These same bankers created a number of American depressions to change the U.S. legislation and seize our wealth. Read the sources for details. This is why our forefathers wrote in the Constitution that only Congress can issue money - not private banks (Reference 18). More wars create more debt which means more profit to the bankers (Reference 1, 21). These bankers planned three world wars so people would welcome United Nations intervention to govern the world in peace, not war. (Reference 22 gives specific details on World War I and World War II, showing exactly how the bankers were responsible for the beginning and continuation of these wars for their profit).

The banks have publicly announced they will force us to a cashless society by 1997. Furthermore, they plan to create a one world government through the United Nations headed by the FED, Trilaterals, and the Council on Foreign Relations (Reference 3). By the definition of treason, they have committed treason! This means you lose your rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Does this sound far fetched? Twenty-four U.S. Senators (two of them presidential candidates, Harkin & Tsongas) and 80 Representatives have signed a "Declaration of Interdependence." This Declaration, designed to make a one world government, is treason to the oath of office they took. The media remained silent. The FED announced publicly that their first objective was to get nationalism out of the American people's heads because patriotism to a country would not be of value in the future. The media makes us think the U.N. has all the answers, and to "think globally." Congress passed a law stopping certain individuals from being tried for this treason (Reference 6, Reference 1, P. 191-198). Why pass this law if no treason was committed? State Department document 7277 calls for the disarming of America, thus turning our sovereignty over to a one-world government. Again, the media is pushing to eliminate guns. Our forefathers believed that the right to bear arms would prevent a takeover of our government. History shows that before any government took over, they disarmed the citizens. Hitler did it, and before our Revolutionary War, King George told us to disarm - good thing we didn't!

Under the Federal Reserve Bank Act, the bankers control our economy. The FED controls interest rates and the amount of money in the economy. These factors determine either economic prosperity or the lack thereof. Bankers are now pushing for a one world government and a cashless society. Why cashless? No cash means no money for drugs, no theft, and the ability to collect taxes on the underground economy. Anyone who wouldn't support a cashless society must be a drug dealer, thief, or tax evader, right? What a cashless society really means is the banks can now control you. Today you fear the IRS. In a cashless society, if you disagree with the bankers' political goals, you'll find your money gone via computer error. (For additional information on a cashless society, read Reference 13, P. 174; Reference 3; Reference 14, P. 9-12; Reference 15, P. 136; Reference 25, P. 216).

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:16 AM
If you could accurately predict future interest rates, inflation and deflation, you would know when to buy or sell stocks and make a bundle of money. The FED has secret meetings (per Congressional Record) to determine future interest rates and the amount of money to be printed. The Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) by law, stops insiders from profiting by privileged information. Congressional records prove that FED bankers routinely hold secret meetings to profit by manipulating the stock market via interest rates and the amount of money they create. FED bankers also profit greatly from economic disasters like the Depression (Reference 22, P. 56). The bankers create inflation, sell their stocks before the market crashes, then buy up stocks at cheaper prices. Bankers admitted this to Congress. This violates the law, yet Congress does not act because these bankers are large political contributors (Reference 17, P. 96-98; Reference 1, P. 162-163; Reference 22, P. 114-170 & P. 136). Thomas Jefferson predicted this scenario if we ever allowed a private bank, like the FED, to create our currency (Reference 1, P. 247).

FED Chairman Burns states "Killing can be made simply by knowing the next few months newspapers ahead of time." Congressman Patman said "The FED officials own more than 100 million dollars (of stocks) while making decisions influencing these stock prices..." (Reference 24, P. 123). History proves that banks profit from bankrupting a nation (Reference 22, P. 56).

Congress consistently defeats balanced budget amendments. In the past 30 years, Congress has raised our taxes 56 times and balanced the budget only once. We need the sound banking system our forefathers wanted us to have. History proves that banking systems like the FED don't work. Major world powers have been destroyed over similar banking systems (Reference 1). If we don't change this system NOW, in five years the only thing our taxes will pay is the interest on the national debt.

Section 7 of the Federal Reserve Act, passed December 23, 1913, states that much of the profit of the FED should flow into the U.S. Treasury. In 1959, new legislation allowed the FED to transfer bonds to commercial banks at no cost to the bank. Now the FED receives less interest income and less profit for the U.S. Treasury because the money is diverted to other banks through an accounting entry (Reference 17, P. 115-130). Congress and the IRS do not have access to the financial records of the FED. Every year Congress introduces legislation to audit the FED, and every year it is defeated. The FED banking system could easily be netting 100s of billions in profit each year. Through "creative accounting" profit can easily be reclassified as expense (Reference 14, P. 20, Reference 17, P. 239). Within the first few years, the shareholders of the FED received their initial investment back with no risk. All the income is tax-free, except for property tax, according to the Federal Reserve Act. When are the profits of the FED going to start flowing into the Treasury so that average Americans are no longer burdened with excessive, unnecessary taxes? Clearly, Congress cannot or will not control the FED. IT IS TIME TO ABOLISH IT!



3 WAYS TO ABOLISH THE FED AND ISSUE MONEY PER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8:
* Buy back the FED and have the U.S. Government collect all profits.

* Abolish the FED by printing real U.S. dollars as President Kennedy attempted (Executive Order 11.110, 1963) (Reference 4).

* Request your county/state to use their Constitutional powers to abolish the FED. This is the BEST SOLUTION. Nearly half the states are attempting or considering this action (Reference 5). Congress has had 80 years to follow the Constitution, and has refused to abolish the illegal FED. The state/county effort is working faster than any other method. We need your support to start a local chapter of FED-UP(tm) Inc. and petition your county.



THE WRONG SOLUTION THAT HAS FAILED FOR 80 YEARS:
Congress and the media may want to require the FED to return the required profits into the U.S. Treasury (per the Federal Reserve Act, 1913). The problem is that with "creative accounting" techniques, profit can be easily masked as expense. The FED has expensed items illegally to lower profit (Reference 17).

"We the People" have pushed the following states to pass or introduce legislation calling for an end to the FED: Arizona, Washington, Arkansas, Idaho, Oregon, Indiana, and Texas. We still need your signatures on petitions, even if you live in these states. Many other states are considering such action due to your petitions. These states and a few honest Congresspeople are powerless until all Americans become informed and demand change. Please pass out the petition. Once we demand change, the media will have to report the whole truth and not just push their own agenda. FED-UP(tm) challenges the media to expose the facts on prime time talk shows or news programs.

By abolishing the FED, we would not pay interest on Federal Reserve Notes. Until it is abolished, the FED has a monopoly on profit on our currency and whether our money supply will be increased or decreased, inflation or depression. The banks are capable of controlling business by controlling who can or cannot obtain a loan.

WE'VE DONE OUR PART - NOW IT IS UP TO YOU TO SPREAD THE WORD. Please take the brochure (Cutting taxes $6,000 per family per year) to VFW, Moose/Elk Lodges, Bars, Union Halls, Churches, and Association groups. Make copies of the "single-page" brochure for everyone at work and ask your friends to do the same. Ask small business owners in your community to tell other business owners and spread the brochure and petition through the local Chamber of Commerce. CPAs should be interested in saving their clients taxes. Ask your CPA to mail the brochure and petition out to his/her clients. Upon receiving this petition, many presidents of large corporations made this brochure and petition available to all employees. Once people are informed, we can force a change. People will have more money to spend, the economy will be strong, and we can keep our Constitutional rights, liberties, and freedoms.

Contact your library for the names and addresses of your local and federal Congresspeople. MAIL THEM AN ENVELOPE WITHOUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ATTACHED. In the envelope, say "FED-UP(tm) Inc. Abolish the FED." Also enclose one teabag (Boston Tea Party). Ask your friends to do the same (give them the addresses). Politicians are aware of the "Teabag Protest." If you don't mail it in, they're going to believe that we're not organized or we just don't care. IF YOU DON'T DO IT NO ONE ELSE WILL! Many Congresspeople want to make this change, but can't without the support of the people.

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:17 AM
WHY OUR FOREFATHERS FOUGHT THE FED
"Allow me to control the issue and the nation's money and I care not who makes its laws!" The above quote has long been attributed to the 18th century banker Amshell Rothschild (his blood line controls the FED). For if one unscrupulous group is allowed to print a nation's money - it can eventually use that money to gain control of the press AND the politicians - and thus gain control of making the nation's laws - and finally - control of the nation itself. (Reference 4)

If you will take the time to read the reference material listed which has been researched by Professors of Universities, Congresspeople, etc, you will turn up information that might frighten you. For instance, in 1921 the stockholders of the Federal Reserve financed an organization called the "Council on Foreign Relations" (CFR). Harpers magazine called this the most powerful organization in the United States. Ninety percent of the people in the State Department and key positions in the Executive Branch are members of the CFR. The CFR publishes a magazine called "Foreign Affairs." Read it if you want to know what is going to happen in coming years. The CFR is in favor of a New World Order (Reference 3).

Congressman Patman re-quoted Thomas Jefferson showing that our founding fathers knew this banking principle very well. "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...." "Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money)," he said, "should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." The American Revolution was a struggle to wrest control of wealth from the Bank of England and to restore the centers of power to the People where it "properly belongs." The Constitution is specific about the authority of the People, through their elected officials, to control the money, and thus, the affairs of their government. (Reference 5, P. 32).

Ben Franklin said in his autobiography that the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was [one of] the PRIME reason[s] for the Revolutionary War. (Quoted in Reference 4)

Thomas Jefferson stated, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." (Reference 1, P. 247)

Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh of Minnesota said: "This [Federal Reserve] Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President [Wilson] signs this bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalized... the worst legislative crime of the ages, perpetuated by this banking and currency bill." (Reference 5, P. 33)

Robert H. Hemphill (Credit Manager, Federal Reserve Bank in Atlanta): "We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash, or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It [the banking problem] is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects are remedied very soon." (Reference 1, P. 247)

Napoleon, a sympathizer for the international bankers, turned against them in the last years of his rule. He said: "When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." (Reference 4)

Congresspeople have referred to Federal Reserve Notes as "FIAT" (no- backing) money. (Reference 1, P. 128, 169)

In 1879 the Supreme Court declared that the U.S. Government can legally issue United States Notes, debt and interest-free, just as Lincoln and Kennedy attempted. (Reference 1, P. 233)

A bank that attempted to repossess property on the basis of default faced Judge Mahoney in a jury trial. Jerome Daly was found innocent. The bank could not foreclose on the property because it created the loan money from thin air, as many banks do. Use this as a precedent the next time any bank tries to foreclose on your house. (Reference 17, P. 82, 83 for court records)

The FED violates Security & Exchange Commission (SEC) rules. (Reference 17, P. 96-98)

California 9th Circuit Court declared FED banks are private, not government. (Reference 17, P. 273)

Mr. Marriner Eccles, who was Chairman of the board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System longer than any other man, testified before the Joint Economic Committee in August 1962. When Chairman Rep. Wright Patman asked whether it was not a fact that the Federal Reserve System has more power than either the Congress or the President, Eccles replied: "In the field of money and credit, yes." (Reference 1, P. 206)

Dr. Hans F. Sennholz, Chairman of the Department of Economics at Grove City (PA) College stated: "The Federal Reserve System facilitates the government's own inflationary financing in "periods of emergency." It makes easy the inflationary financing of budget deficits and the inflationary refunding of government loans. It stabilizes the government bond market through inflationary methods and manipulates this market to the advantage of the government. It does all this by wrecking the purchasing power of the dollar; by subtly stealing from the people of this country what it thus provides for the government, through a process exactly on par with the coin-clipping of ancient kings - but much more diabolical because it's so much less visible." (Reference 1, P. 250, 251)

Source: Banking Act of 1935, Hearings before a Subcommittee of the Banking and Currency Committee, U.S. Senate, 74th Congress, 1st Session, on S.1715, May 1935, pp 871-2. "The Federal Reserve System is in the wrong hands. No Constitutional republic can function when the government's money powers are in the hands of the financial oligarchy such as New York financiers.

A Republican Senator, who preferred to remain unnamed, stated: "Congress is too much motivated by fears and anxieties concerning pressure groups and the "non election." (Reference 1, P. 210)

By controlling Congress, the FED has been able to control the nominating conventions of both political parties. In this way, it has been able to hand-pick the presidential nominees so that no matter which party wins, their nominee for President is under definite obligations to the FED... (Reference 1, P. 210; Reference 22)

In 1975, the Rockefeller Foundation Report discussed the "Interdependence" of the countries of the world on each other. It stated we are one world and America shall become a nation-state under one government. They also say we must reach a zero state population growth. The Rockefeller Foundation stated that they have in excess of 747 million dollars to achieve this with. (Reference 3)

Congressman John R. Rarick states that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is dedicated to a one world government. The media remains conspicuously quiet. The CFR wants to convert the U.S. from a sovereign, constitutional republic into a servile member state of a one world dictatorship. On February 17, 1950, CFR member James Warburg (banker, and architect of the Federal Reserve System) stated before a Senate Foreign Relations Committee, "We shall have one world government whether you like it, by conquest or consent." Again, the media remained silent. In the April 1974 issue of the CFR journal, "Foreign Affairs", page 558, Richard Gardener states that the new world order "will be built... but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." Congressman McDonald, Heinz and Tower stated that this is a conspiracy. Again, the media remained silent. (Reference 14, P. 17, 18, 32, 33). THE CFR WANTS TO ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION. (Reference 14) WE MUST STOP THEM!!

In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams wrote: "All the perplexities, confusions, and distresses in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, as much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation". Responding, Thomas Jefferson wrote:... "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by prosperity, under the same name of funding is swindling futurity on a large scale." (Reference 1, P. 199)

British bankers have stated "Those that create and issue money and credit direct the policies of government and hold in their hands the destiny of the people". (Reference 1, P. 200-214)

Adams, Jefferson, and Lincoln believed that banker capitalism was more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. In a republic, banks would lend money but could not create or manufacture it. (Reference 1, P. 215)

Later, Jefferson used stronger language and denounced the institution as "one of the most deadly hostilities against the principles and form of our Constitution." Some have said that Jefferson did not favor a strong central bank. What he did not favor was the delivery of our monetary system into private hands to be run for private profit. (Reference 1, P. 230)

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:18 AM
President James A. Garfield said: "Whoever controls the money in any country is absolute master of industry [legislation] and commerce". (Reference 1, P. 247, Reference 4)

Without the Federal Reserve System, there can be no continuing march towards socialism, and with it there can be no free economy. (Reference 1, P. 251)

By controlling our own money, Thomas Jefferson expected that the government would incur no debt, as had occurred in the European system. (Reference 1, P. 243) European banks are like the FED.

The FED system is the death of our Constitution. (Reference 1, P. 250)

THE PLAN TO REDUCE PERSONAL INCOME TAX BY 75% AND BALANCE THE BUDGET BY ABOLISHING THE FED CAN BE PROVEN BY AMERICAN HISTORY.



THE FACTS:
England lost the Revolutionary War.
England nearly destroyed the Colonies by creating fake Colonial money hyper-inflation.
Rothschilds who control the Bank of England (Like our FED) said that by controlling the issue of money (printing it) you can control the government.
The authors of the Constitution understood private banks' control over governments. The Constitution gives only Congress the right to print money.
From the beginning of the United States to present there have been two ways to issue new currency:
The first way is to have the government print the money, debt and interest- free, and circulate it through the economy for use as a medium of exchange. There is no tax levied to pay interest on the currency in circulation because it is debt and interest-free. This is the system Lincoln used with his "greenbacks", a system Kennedy desired, and Jefferson demanded.

The second method is: The Citizens allow the bank to print $500 billion in currency (cash). The bank pays for printing costs, ink, and paper. The Citizens do not charge the bank any interest for use of the $500 billion in printed currency. The bank uses the $500 billion cash to buy a $500 billion government bond which pays the bankers interest. The bank keeps some of the bonds and sells, for a fee (10%), some of the bonds to the public. The bank can buy back the bonds from the public simply by printing more money. The bankers can create inflation and depressions by manipulating the amount of currency in circulation. The FED operates exactly like this today. It also prints money (through the U.S. Treasury) and uses this printed money to buy loans from other banks. This money has created our inflation. We give the bank cash interest-free, then they charge us interest on our own currency.

Take a look at our history in view of the two banking systems:



BEN FRANKLIN - THE TWO BANKING SYSTEMS
From the autobiography of Ben Franklin as reported by Gertrude Coogan in "Money Creators":

...the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War. (Reference 4).

Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies: "That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry." (Colonial Scrip had no debt or interest attached.) (Reference 4)



BANK OF AMERICA
International bankers saw that interest-free scrip would keep America free of their influence, so by 1781 banker-backed Alexander Hamilton succeeded in starting the Bank of America. After a few years of "bank money", the prosperity of "Colonial Scrip" was gone. Benjamin Franklin said, "Conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity had ended and a depression set in to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with the unemployed!" Bank money was like our FED money. It had debt and interest attached. By 1790 Hamilton and his bankers had created a privately owned central bank and converted the public debt (interest-free) into interest bearing bonds, payable to the bankers. When Hamilton's bank charter expired in 1811, the international bankers started the war of 1812. By 1816, another privately-owned U.S. bank was started with $35 million in assets - only $7 million of that was owned by the government. This bank lasted for 20 years. U.S. history shows that currency with debt and interest attached created a depression. (Reference 4)


ANDREW JACKSON - A GREAT PRESIDENT!
When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. It was then that he made two famous statements: "The Bank is trying to kill me - but I will kill it!" Later he said "If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system - there would be a revolution before morning... " (Reference 4)



ABRAHAM LINCOLN - ANOTHER GREAT PRESIDENT!
President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24-36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands because he didn't want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said "We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had - their own paper money to pay their debts... " Lincoln printed over 400 million "Greenbacks" (debt and interest-free) and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn't like it and wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them so that the American people would owe tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln's solution made this seem ridiculous. (Reference 1, P. 46, 47; Reference 4)

Shortly after Lincoln's death, the government revoked the Greenback law which ended Lincoln's debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted and all money became interest bearing again. (Reference 4)

The late Thomas A Edison explained the matter of issuing currency this way: "If our nation can issue a dollar bond (interest bearing) it can issue a dollar bill (interest-free). The element that makes the bond good makes a bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20 percent, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who contribute directly in some useful way. It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay: But one promise fattens the usurers (interest collectors) and the other helps the people." (Reference 1, P. 46)

The FED is owned largely by foreign banks that control our economy and Congress through the power of money and the media which they bought with profits generated with profits generated by artificial debt.

If we can convert U.S. dollars that are debt and interest-free to interest bearing currency, we can change it back just as easily. Both the media and the banking system will probably claim that such a change will cause hyper- inflation. The answer however, can be found in history. Lincoln printed debt and interest-free Greenbacks (cash) to finance an entire war. With added production you can add currency without having hyper-inflation. Lincoln proved it. John F. Kennedy - a President with vision! On June 4, 1964, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110. This Executive Order called for the issuance of new currency - the United States Note. At the time, $4,292,893 of this currency was put into circulation. This new currency was to be distributed through the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System. Furthermore, it was to be issued debt and interest-free. Upon Kennedy's assassination, this currency was withdrawn from circulation, never to be issued again. The media remained silent on how Kennedy would have eliminated the debt and interest payments, and therefore eliminated the FED. Interest-free United States Notes do not result in hyper-inflation. By issuing United States Notes, interest-free, we have less interest expense, and less taxes. With less taxes people spend more and buy more. This result is added production, and therefore, you can add dollars without inflation. Either Rockefeller and his people will spend your tax money into the economy or you get to spend your own money by paying less taxes. The bankers want you to think you'll have mass inflation by changing the system. This is only true if you add dollars to the economy without added production. For example, look what happened in post World War I Germany. They merely printed money without increasing production. The result was hyper-inflation. Another example: In the entire economy, if you have only 10 loaves of bread and only $10, each loaf would sell for $1. If you print an extra $10, now you have $20 and the 10 loaves which would sell for $2 each. This is only true if we don't have added production. By cutting taxes, people will spend more and buy more bread. If we print more money and bake more bread, we have $50 and 50 loaves, so each loaf still sells for $1. As long as you monitor production with increased cash, inflation will not occur. Under the FED system, the price of bread has dramatically increased since 1913. If we cut taxes and YOU spend your money instead of the BANKERS spending it, you will have more bread, cars, and wealth than the bankers. SOMEONE will spend your money - it might as well be YOU!

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:20 AM
A FED-like banking system has destroyed other governments. In five years the only thing taxes will pay is the interest on the debt. Clearly, the FED must be abolished before we're demolished! Already laws are set up to have a dictatorship when we have the economic crisis (Federal Emergency Management Act, or FEMA).

Under the FED system, when a new dollar is issued, we pay taxes to pay for the dollar as the principal (debt) plus interest on the dollar. We pay for each new dollar twice, and who gets most of the money? The bankers, who control this money. Taxpayers should only pay taxes for the paper, ink, and printing costs of new money. Why should we give bankers the right to print money on a printing press, charge them no interest on this money, and then let them exchange their "free" money for a government bond that pays them interest?

England never gave up on owning the United States. They are still silently fighting the same Revolutionary War. The Bank of England, through the Rothschilds, owns and controls the FED (Reference 22). We have been robbed of our wealth, and in five years we will be bankrupt if there is no change. The FED bankers will LEGALLY OWN OUR NATION; OUR HOUSES, OUR CARS, OUR BUSINESSES, just as Thomas Jefferson predicted.



SPECIFIC PLAN: HOW TO GET OUT OF DEBT
U.S. history proves that issuing debt and interest-free currency allows our economy to prosper, as long as Congress controls the amount of money created. You can add printed dollars into the economy as you add production, and there will be no inflation. With today's sophisticated computers, we can easily monitor the printing of money and inflation.

Congress needs to buy back the FED and/or abolish it. Any government debt they own would be automatically eliminated. All remaining debt could be paid as needed with the same type of currency Kennedy issued (debt and interest-free United States Notes). United States Notes are backed by the full faith of the best government in the world - The United States of America. This is no different than the backing of today's Federal Reserve Notes. U.S. citizens collect only a small fraction of the interest income on Federal Bonds and Bills. Foreigners benefit from this interest, but we pay the tax so that they collect interest on our currency. This makes sense to bankers and Congresspeople who receive money from bankers and foreign lobbyists.

As we pay less interest, government spending will decrease and so will taxes. Less taxes mean that people buy more goods and services and our economy expands. An expanded economy means more jobs and higher profits for businesses. More profit means increased state/federal business taxes. Businesses continue to pay taxes while personal taxes decrease. People will have more money to spend, will buy more, and therefore pay increased state sales tax. This allows the states to balance their budgets without raising real estate taxes. As history proves, we will prosper.

For 80 years the FED has destroyed our economy. It will take years to undo this damage. Just as Congress appoints a Postal Service, we will have Congress appoint an agency to monitor inflation as we exchange our retiring government debt for debt and interest-free United States Notes (cash). We need to break up all Central Banks created by the FED and return to the Constitution of the United States. We have to return the power of the citizens' money back to the people.



THERE ARE SEVERAL SIMPLE WAYS TO ABOLISH THE FED:
Inform all Americans of this report and collect signatures on the petition.
Demand that Congress and the media support "We the People's" rights to uphold the Constitution and abolish the illegal FED.
Write to your local newspaper, show them this report and ask them to keep freedom of the press alive, support the Constitution and abolish the FED. Freedom of the press should not be limited to those who own it.
Write to CNN and other media. Tell them you want to see FED-UP(tm) on their programs.
Ask your State/County Representatives to use their Constitutional powers to enforce your rights under the Constitution to have the FED abolished. Write to Reference 5 for detailed paperwork to be given to your local government.
Call in on TV and radio talk shows and discuss why the FED should be abolished.
Support businesses who distribute the petition and display the sign "FED-UP". If they don't, please ask them to.
Ask candidates if they plan to introduce legislation to abolish the FED and uphold the Constitution which they are obligated to defend. Make candidates take a stand! Have the politician sign a contract with "We the People" enacting legislation to abolish the FED by a certain date or the politician must resign from office. The Democratic Congress and President promised the people "no FED" before the election. Thirteen months later, they passed the FED.
Display your bumper sticker to show support and inform people.
If 5,000 people distribute 2-3 brochures daily, we can inform half a million Americans monthly. Roughly 10% of these half a million people will make copies and inform others. Our goal is to inform 70 million adult Americans. Public opinion will soon be on our side. Once 10% of the population know, the other 90% will follow.
Pray and ask God to return us to "One nation under God."
It is our recommendation that you research the references listed, support all organizations that re trying to stop this fraud, and help us in our goal to get every American to sign this petition.


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References
(1) "The Federal Reserve Bank", by H.S. Kenan, published by The Noontide Press (2) National Committee to Repeal the Federal Reserve Act, P.O. Box 156, Westmont, IL 60559 (3) "The New World Order, Saving America", P.O. Box 1205, Middleburg, FL 32050-1205 (4) "Bulletin", February 1989 & November 1991 issues, P.O. Box 986, Ft. Collins, CO 80522 (Newsletter; $3 each) (5) "The Most Secret Science", Betsy Ross Press, P.O. Box 986, Ft. Collins, CO 80522 (Book) States attempt to abolish the FED. $12.00 (6) "Insider Report", P.O. Box 84903, Phoenix, AZ 85071 (7) "Phoenix Journal Express", P.O. Box 986, Tehachap, CA 93581 (8) $16 trillion in government and private debt, much of which the FED printed and collected interest on (Reference 3) (9) Northpoint Tactical Team, P.O. Box 129, Topton, NC 28781 (10) Christian Defense League, Box 449, Arabi, LA 70023 (11) "Bulletin", June 1992 issue, P.O. Box 986, Ft. Collins, CO 80522 (Newsletter; $3 each) (12) "Savings and Loan Unethical Bailout" by Rev. Casimir F. Gierut (13) "Dark Secrets of the New Age" by Texe Marrs (14) "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary H. Kah (15) "One World" by John Amkerberg & John Weldon (16) "The Spotlight", Liberty Lobby, 300 Independence Ave. S.E. Washington, D.C. 20003 (Newspaper) (17) "Repeal the Federal Reserve Banks" by Rev. Casimir Frank Gierut (18) The Constitution of the United States (19) "Walls in Our Minds" by M.J. Red Beckman, Common Sense Press, P.O. Box 1544, Billings, MT 59103. A must read book - $2.50 (20) "The Law That Never Was" Volume I, Bill Benson & M.J. Red Beckman, P.O. Box 1544, Billings, MT 59103 or write to Bill Benson, P.O. Box 550, South Holland, IL 60473. Proof that the 16th Amendment (income tax) was never properly ratified. (21) "New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies" by William T. Still (22) "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" by Mullins (23) "The Social Security & Pension Conspiracy" by Metz (24) "The History of the Federal Reserve. How to Replace It or How to Reform It" by Metz - for references 23 & 24 write to Howard Metz, P.O. Box 341, Malverne, LI 11565 (25) "The New World Order" by Pat Robertson. On page 131 he states that we must abolish the FED. (26) "Operation Vampire Killer 2000", highly recommended book. $6.00 ($8.00 for 2) from ACLA, P.O. Box 8712, Phoenix, AZ 85066 This is a must read book with quotes from well known people. This book proves conspiracy. Your local police needs to read this book so they will protect you - not become United Nations Agents against you. This book will stop the New World Order plan to take over the U.S.A. "America Betrayed", Center For Action, 652 N. Glenview, Nesa, AZ 85213 For references 1, 12, and 17, contact The National Committee to Repeal the Federal Reserve Act (Reference 2)


MEDIA BLACKS OUT THE FACTS
Here's one terrific example. John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff for the New York Times, was one of New York's best loved newspapermen. Called by his peers "The Dean of his Profession", John was asked in 1953 to give a toast before the New York Press Club, and in so doing, made a monumentally important and revealing statement. He is quoted as follows:

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:22 AM
There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

RICHARD M. COHAN, Senior Producer of CBS political news said: "We are going to impose OUR AGENDA on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that WE choose to deal with."

RICHARD SALANT, former President of CBS News stated: "Our job is to give people not what they want, but what WE decide they ought to have."

And what is "their" agenda? What do they believe we, the American people, - THE COMMON HERD, "... ought to have?" Here is the answer:

NORMAN THOMAS - For many years the U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate proclaimed: "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing what happened."

HERMAN DISMORE, foreign editor of the New York Times from 1950 to 1960: "The New York Times is deliberately pitched to the liberal (socialist) point of view."

WALTER CRONKITE: "News reporters are certainly liberal (socialists) and left of center."

BARBARA WALTERS: "The news media in general are liberals (socialists)."

Reference for everything above - Operation Vampire Killer, P.O. Box 8712, Phoenix, AZ 85066

The world, finally including even the balky American public, is "being rapidly educated into overcoming limited patriotism" and accepting "United Nations solutions to common global problems," said Henry Kissinger.

Bilderberg participants expressed satisfaction with progress toward world government on two fronts:

Establishing a UN tax to not only finance new global programs, but to condition "citizens of the world" to paying tribute.
Conditioning the public -- again, especially "those stubborn Americans" -- to accept the idea of a UN army that could, by force, impose its will on the internal affairs of any nation.
"Today, Americans would be outraged if UN forces entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow, they will be grateful," Kissinger said (of the 1992 Los Angeles riot).

Kissinger reported on a shocking speech made by UN Secretary General Butrous Ghali to the American Association of Newspaper Publishers at UN headquarters in New York in early May. The publishers' newspapers covered up the story.

The UN Security Council must have a permanent force that can be deployed anywhere in the world, instantly, to "protect the peace" and "ensure human rights" the secretary-general told the newspaper publishers.


UN TO INVADE U.S.
This force must be allowed to intervene "at the local and community levels," the UN leader told the American publishers.

What is "especially gratifying," Kissinger said, "is that the publishers showed no reservations about the prospects of UN forces landing in the United States and imposing the UN's will."

Reference - The Spotlight, June 8, 1992, page 10. Liberty Lobby, 300 Independence Ave. S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003 (Newspaper)



SUMMARY OF QUICK FACTS
Various dates and proofs that the Bankers created panic to push Congress to pass laws favoring bankers... Reference 22
President Wilson received $85,000 bribe from bankers... Reference 22, pages 25-26
How England, through the Bankers, controls our Congress... Reference 22, pages 47-48
Rockefeller is connected to President Carter... Reference 22, page 171; Reference 25, page 103
How George Bush is directly connected to the FED bank... Reference 22, page 49
President Hoover and President Roosevelt were international Bankers... Reference 22, pages 69-71 and pages 157-159
President Nixon was hired by Rockefeller's law firm to become President... Reference 25, pages 100-101
FED owner's manual to destroy and control U.S. citizens... Reference 22, pages 55-56
Proof Bankers claim they control the government... Reference 22, page 59
Proof the FED knowingly created the Great Depression for their gain... Reference 22, pages 137-170
FED bankers are directly linked to the New World Order and the United Nations. New World Order was discussed by George Bush, Rockefeller, Adolph Hitler, and Jimmy Carter... Reference 25, pages 5-7
The Great Seal on back of the FED $1 bill, below pyramid, the NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM means "New World of the Ages" or --->> New World Order... Reference 25, page 35
How the Banker's tax-exempt organizations fund activities to destroy America's freedom by attacking our Constitution and way of life... Reference 25, pages 138-159; Reference 14 (throughout whole book)
Senator Barry Goldwater warned of economic powers capable of bypassing or controlling the political powers. Bank induced depression is possible in the future to force political change... Reference 25, 131
Rockefeller's money was used to seize control of America's teaching and training of students by rewriting history and textbooks. Rockefeller has also funded the National Education Association (NEA)... Reference 14, page 61
Gary Kah, high-ranking government liaison having first-hand knowledge of the New World Order exposes the truth. Read his book and En Route To Global Occupation... Reference 14

QUICK FACTS FROM TOM SCHAUF:
First, we must uphold the Constitution. Please call the Hotline (217-854- 7504) weekly for new information. When a state considers a Constitutional Convention, concerned Americans call the Hotline and it gives us the names and telephone numbers of the legislators involved. It tells us exactly what to say, and to whom. The Hotline helps us to fight and win!

Secondly, we must change the opinions of the masses with information. The brochure has been a big help, and once 10% of the population agrees to abolish the FED, the rest will follow.

It is obvious the media (radio and newspapers) have lied about the FED and the efforts of FED-UP(tm) to educate people with the truth. This will not stop us - we will persist! Decide for yourself if you want to win America back. If 10,000 patriotic Americans each distribute 1,000 brochures, 10 million Americans will become informed. It would be almost impossible to stop people from talking about abolishing the FED if that many Americans were informed. Another way you can participate is to put a bumper sticker on your car. Over 1,000 people every month will see that bumper sticker about abolishing the FED.

If you think our goal is impossible, remember this; only 3% of Americans supported the Revolutionary War, and we won that war. We can win this war too, but only with your help.

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 12:23 AM
IN CLOSING
For the secret owners of the FED to control the volume of money and become our absolute masters, they had to get the Gold away from our grandparents. This was accomplished in 1933 with the threats of fines and imprisonments by their President Franklin D. Roosevelt with aide Harry Hopkins, who said... "Elect, elect, elect, tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend, for the people are too damned stupid to understand". By the way, Roosevelt was an international Banker. See "Fool's Gold is Green" by Winston Smith.



THE FED IS SLOWLY DESTROYING AMERICA
Our government never had a chance... with political corruption ravaging its Constitution. The *real facts* don't lie... and neither do government documents... Congressional Record, Congressman Wright Patman, A Primer On Money prepared by the Sub-committee on Domestic Finance, House of Representatives, Committee on Banking and Currency - 88th Congress, 2nd session, August 4th, 1964 and December 23, 1913, page 1464 & 1478.

Congressional Record, Congressman Louis McFadden, June 10, 1932, House of Representatives, pages 12604-12605

Congressional Record, 98th Congress, 1st session, February 3, 1983, Congressman Ron Paul

Congressional Record, Committee on Banking and Currency, House of

Representatives, 77th Congress, 1st session, Tuesday, September 30, 1941, pages 1342-1345



THERE ARE MANY MORE CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONIALS
IS THERE BIAS IN THE MEDIA REGARDING THE FED?

DURING THE TV PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES, CLINTON WAS ASKED SHOULD THERE BE RESTRICTIONS ON THE FED? THE NEXT DAY, MAJOR NEWSPAPERS SAID THEY COVERED THE WHOLE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TEXT, BUT MANY NEWSPAPERS ELIMINATED THIS ONE QUESTION. CHECK YOUR LIBRARY!

The Revolutionary War was fought and the Constitution was written to prevent other nations and private banks from issuing (printing) money and controlling our currency.

In 1913, members of Congress committed treason and violated their oath of office to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic by voting in the Federal Reserve Bank.

For the New World Order to create a one world government, they must control a central bank, eliminate the Constitution, end Christian values, disarm America, and control the media. The Council on Foreign Relations has openly said they will take us over in favor of a one world government. The American people must be warned or we may lose our freedom forever. If we do not demand our rights and uphold the Constitution, the CFR and bankers will continue their march toward socialism. If we allow them to continue, they will abolish our rights and put an end to our present government. I urge all Americans to distribute the "main" FED-UP brochure ("saving $6000 in taxes per year, per person & balancing the budget) and collect signatures on the petition (see order form in the main brochure). Then all informed Americans can take action and hold their politicians accountable. The bankers control the media, but can not stop patriotic Americans from using copy machines to distribute information and inform America. Once informed, people will demand an explanation why Congress allowed this fraud as the media appeared to be independent and investigative, but remained silent on this important issue.

The ones who scream the loudest to keep the Federal Reserve Bank probably profit the most.

Thomas D. Schauf, CPA, is a national speaker to Certified Public Accountants and business leaders. Mr. Schauf's expertise includes banking, the economy, business appraisals, mergers, and acquisitions.

We are looking for leaders in all states to help us abolish the FED.
Please write and let us know you're willing to help.
The future of America depends on you.



PLEASE HELP DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION AND
COLLECT SIGNATURES ON PETITIONS


Mr. Schauf and other speakers are available to
speak at seminars, group meetings, on radio, and on television.


FED-UP(tm) * P.O. Box 834 * Streamwood, IL 60103-0834

(C) 1992 Thomas D. Schauf

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The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. -Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826

J_9
Nov 28, 2007, 05:11 AM
Wow, I guess you had nothing better to do last night than to C&P that stuff? Sorry, too long, ain't going to read it.

NeedKarma
Nov 28, 2007, 05:29 AM
To me it's no different than someone spamming the board with large blocks of C&P text.
Next time just link to the site: The Federal Reserve Scam - The Federal Reserve Fraud (http://www.lucky-puppy.com/FED-FRAUD-SCAM.htm)

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 09:20 AM
Sorry if I have insulted your sensabilities but I have to do my part. With their latest inflation of the dollar they have taken ownership of a very large portion of American business. This "SPAM" happens to be the root of all evil. Not Bush, not Hilary, they are merely the tools used by the real culprits. But you are right I guess, it doesn't matter so back to the video game.

shatteredsoul
Nov 28, 2007, 11:27 AM
It absolutely matters... and it is important information. There is just a voluminous amount of material to digest and not everyone can absorb it all so quickly.. IT would be beneficial for everyone to know about this, but maybe in a simpler context, it would be easier on the eyes. Thank you for the information.. I really became aware of so much more..

magprob
Nov 28, 2007, 04:44 PM
Thank you Shatterdsoul. It is a lot but it is so important that Americans begin to see what is really happening. You are one of the rare ones that care enough to take a look. That is why America is being sold out. Most people do not want to know. Things are going to get very bad soon and this is the real reason.

shatteredsoul
Nov 29, 2007, 10:05 AM
That is scary but true... I think this society likes to live in a bubble but when it pops, and everyone suffers... it will be too late.
I do care.. but I don't really know how to make a difference.. at least you are trying.

Chery
Nov 29, 2007, 01:56 PM
If I work on you long enough, you will believe everything I say. When that happens, I'll think up a new line of BS.

Like college degrees, BS= Bull Sh!T
MS= More Sh!T and PHD= Piled Higher and Deeper.

I'll take one PHD in Life, please, with a gold border and purple seal.
Does not matter from what state issued, as my experience was accrued Worldwide!


Send it in PDF format so that I can reduce it with my PaintShop Pro9 Graphic program, make a clear plastic sticky out of it and have it placed on my Urn. I don't care how anyone else takes that gesture, but I sure as heck will get a kick out of it.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_19.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE) That and my picture on the other side would look good in a snowglobe too.

magprob
Nov 29, 2007, 02:31 PM
Lol!

enigmagnetic
Nov 29, 2007, 05:15 PM
I just read this article titled "Fiscal Tsunami" by the comptroller general of the U.S.

U.S. Faces Fiscal ‘Tsunami’ | Newsweek Business | Newsweek.com (http://www.newsweek.com/id/70378)

He pretty much sums up fiscal responsibility in this country in this day. This guy is all pessimistic and stuff. Wonder why.

Chery
Nov 29, 2007, 05:34 PM
The Germans have been told the same also.

Taking a deeper look at things, IMO, is that poor people are stilll having children, joblessness and no incentives will take care of the rest. No country in the world is immune from this current symptom.

What people who are financially stable and in fear of risking that for a family don't realize is that you can't eat money and money does not hold your hand and look at you with loving eyes and promises to take care of you when you get old.

Yup, something is very wrong here, but who's got the solution... or the structure that cares enough to do something about it.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_9_16.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMXDE) In India and Pakistan you find dead newborn babies (mostly female) in backstreets every day because they are of no future 'benefit' to the family... go figure.

Synnen
Nov 29, 2007, 06:02 PM
I personally am of the opinion that people who can't afford their kids without welfare shouldn't have them. There are PLENTY of people who want to adopt.

Welfare should be a short term, emergency only solution. Not a way of life.

It drives me crazy that people can get welfare to take care of their kids, but I can't get welfare to HAVE kids (infertility treatment costs more than a car, you know). So why should I have to pay for OTHER people's kids, when I can't even have one myself? How is THAT fair?

I am personally of the opinion that aside from Social Security, help for the mentally ill, and birth control--ALL other forms of welfare should be stopped. It's a harsh solution, but frankly--birth control is next to free (in the US, anyway) and maybe if people had to watch their kids starve in the streets, a few things would happen.

1. People would be MUCH more careful about sex.
2. The family unit would have a comeback--if you had to depend on your family for help, stupid family politics wouldn't drive as many families apart.
3. Religion would start playing a more active role in people's lives, as churches are a great way to get help when you're down on your luck
4. Education would become a more desired commodity if you knew you didn't have the state to fall back on when your job at McDonald's doesn't pay the rent.

Make education mandatory to get any kind of state help--at LEAST a high school diploma. Make it harder to be a single parent so that fewer people played with the fire that casual sex is. Make it so that my tax dollars make people worthwhile citizens, rather than baby-making machines who can afford the same things I can with less education and a lower paying job.

A cell phone, cable TV (heck, ANY TV!), a computer, a DVD player, a stereo--these are all non-essential things that people getting welfare still have. I would even argue that a car is not essential in large cities with public transportation.

I'm so tired of people believing that they are entitled to these sorts of perks, even when they are on public assistance.

And while money can't look at you lovingly, or feed you, or hold your hand, or snuggle with you--if you can't afford to feed and house your kids, you really don't deserve to HAVE kids.

enigmagnetic
Nov 29, 2007, 06:12 PM
I say give me all the power in the world. Just so I can make taking a siesta at midday mandatory!

startover22
Nov 29, 2007, 06:13 PM
I personally am of the opinion that people who can't afford their kids without welfare shouldn't have them. There are PLENTY of people who want to adopt.

Welfare should be a short term, emergency only solution. Not a way of life.

It drives me crazy that people can get welfare to take care of their kids, but I can't get welfare to HAVE kids (infertility treatment costs more than a car, you know). So why should I have to pay for OTHER people's kids, when I can't even have one myself? How is THAT fair?

I am personally of the opinion that aside from Social Security, help for the mentally ill, and birth control--ALL other forms of welfare should be stopped. It's a harsh solution, but frankly--birth control is next to free (in the US, anyway) and maybe if people had to watch their kids starve in the streets, a few things would happen.

1. People would be MUCH more careful about sex.
2. The family unit would have a comeback--if you had to depend on your family for help, stupid family politics wouldn't drive as many families apart.
3. Religion would start playing a more active role in people's lives, as churches are a great way to get help when you're down on your luck
4. Education would become a more desired commodity if you knew you didn't have the state to fall back on when your job at McDonald's doesn't pay the rent.

Make education mandatory to get any kind of state help--at LEAST a high school diploma. Make it harder to be a single parent so that fewer people played with the fire that casual sex is. Make it so that my tax dollars make people worthwhile citizens, rather than baby-making machines who can afford the same things I can with less education and a lower paying job.

A cell phone, cable TV (heck, ANY TV!), a computer, a DVD player, a stereo--these are all non-essential things that people getting welfare still have. I would even argue that a car is not essential in large cities with public transportation.

I'm so tired of people believing that they are entitled to these sorts of perks, even when they are on public assistance.

And while money can't look at you lovingly, or feed you, or hold your hand, or snuggle with you--if you can't afford to feed and house your kids, you really don't deserve to HAVE kids.
Holy Crap Synn, I love the way you think!
I agree with everything you have said here.
People need to stand proud, proud of themselves for accomplishing things on their own! No hand outs please! Thank you very much! ;)

Chery
Nov 30, 2007, 08:55 AM
Holy Crap Synn, I love the way you think!
I agree with everything you have said here.
People need to stand proud, proud of themselves for accomplishing things on their own! No hand outs please! Thank you very much!!;)

Start.. I agree with you and Synn!!!

The only thing I would leave out is #4 - for personal reasons. Also, look at how many religions advocate no sex unless you plan on having children, even if you can't feed them. In this little town I live in, a catholic couple was told they cannot share a bed because the wife had to have a hysterectomy after producing 6 children.. Oh, and by the way, they live on welfare too. One of the kids is a 15 yr old girl now living with her boyfriend because she's also PG... their place is funded by the welfare department. Need I say more?

I worked over 30 years, raised a daughter on my own, was always too proud to ask for financial help... Due to illness I can no longer work and need help. To receive help, I would have to give up my big TV, DVD player, china, and most all other material things I earned while working... That sounds fair - doesn't it.(so I'm giving it all away to my daughter and others - before I give it to the state or a stranger).. Another nice thing about this is that I would have to move because my apartment is two square meters larger than what is allotted a single individual applying for financial assistance. I sure hope my retirement comes through soon. So now it's a race between my cancer and medical retirement - one is certain to win and the bets are still on. Sometimes beurocracy grows slower than disease, but only when you want something from them.

Sorry for venting out a bit too much Mag.. but I just 'had to say it'!

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startover22
Nov 30, 2007, 09:33 AM
Hey Chery:) Everyone has a different circumstance... so I have to say that not all applies! :)
In every situation... there will be a need and every situation, there will be a want...
Chery, we all know the difference between needing some help... and free loading. Oh, and I am so positive that you derserve and need every penny you get! Love you...

Chery
Nov 30, 2007, 10:06 AM
Hey Chery:) Everyone has a different circumstance...so I have to say that not all applies! :)
In every situation....there will be a need and every situation, there will be a want....
Chery, we all know the difference between needing some help....and free loading. Oh, and I am so positive that you derserve and need every penny you get! Love you....

Hey Warrior.. I know what you and Synn meant. Just wanted to let you know that I feel that same way about most of it.

Love you right back!

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startover22
Nov 30, 2007, 10:08 AM
Hey Warrior.. I know what you and Synn meant. Just wanted to let ya know that I feel that same way about most of it.

Love ya right back!

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Yup, yup, yup! I knew that!:)

Synnen
Nov 30, 2007, 05:19 PM
Gosh, Chery--I'm glad you knew what I meant!

I certainly don't want people who worked hard their whole lives put out on the street for lack of finances! And I would think that a disease would count as an emergency use, not as a "could have been prevented by using common sense" use.

You know I love you, and pray for you daily! I'm glad you understood what I meant, and didn't take it exactly the way it came out!

magprob
Nov 30, 2007, 07:03 PM
Man I am really bummed out. Evil Knievel died today. I don't care what anybody says about his attempted jump over the Snake River Canyon. They say he chickened out. I live about a half a mile from the exact spot that he went over. The dirt ramp is still there. You can't walk up to the edge without feeling like it will suck you over. It is SCARY! Deep and wide. People come from all over to jump and commit suicide. It is legal to base jump from the bridge. Evil was a wild dude man. All you got to do is walk up to the canyon and you will see what I mean. Here's to you Evil! That was one hell of a jump and it took Humongo Cahones to even try it man!

J_9
Nov 30, 2007, 07:33 PM
OMG!! Ebil Kembel died today?

What a sad sad day!!

magprob
Nov 30, 2007, 10:26 PM
YouTube - Frank Zappa Stinkfoot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9H0WJBoXew&feature=related)

YouTube - The Kinks - Lola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMsnqQHOwFg)

Chery
Nov 30, 2007, 10:37 PM
Evil Knievel was in constant search for a challenge and will never be forgotten. I don't think there was ever a chicken feather on that man. Some might think he was a bit nuts, but at least he lived his life and dreamed his dreams.

R.I.P.

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magprob
Nov 30, 2007, 10:55 PM
YouTube - Humble Pie (Steve Marriott) - Black Coffee [OGWT 1973] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-9cZ6iu6o&feature=related)

YouTube - Iggy Pop - Old Grey Whistle Test 1979 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz_8NE_G2tA&feature=related)

YouTube - Rory Gallagher - A Million Miles Away Irish Tour 1974 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiEMpcI83E&feature=related)

startover22
Dec 1, 2007, 01:04 PM
YouTube - Ron Paul 0wnz the Federal Reserve (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q)
First off, I am not sure to do with my four cents anymore, second, what would help us not be in this situation, seriously... I would really like to know!

magprob
Dec 1, 2007, 01:12 PM
Here it is by the man himself. If anyone understands how our Fiat money works, it is Alan Greenspan!

321gold: Gold and Economic Freedom by Alan Greenspan 1966 (http://www.321gold.com/fed/greenspan/1966.html)