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    Mar 22, 2024, 07:14 AM
    Election steal the 2024 edition
    It's begun
    Wisconsin is a swing state . Dem Guv Tony Evers vetoed a bill that would've allowed poll watchers close enough to poll counters to actually verify the count.

    He also vetoed a proposal for a post election audit.

    What doesn't he want poll watchers to see ?

    Wisconsin Gov. Evers vetoes Republican election bills | AP News
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    Mar 22, 2024, 12:48 PM
    Really about time the whole Electoral Collage system was overhauled.
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    Mar 22, 2024, 03:32 PM
    No it isn't . We have a federal system .We don't want the executive of the nation decided by a hand full of heavily populated urban centers . The system we have now forces contenders to go from sea to sea and meet and greet the people of the country and address everyone's concerns.

    The problem is not how Presidents are elected . The problem is how much power has been unconstitutionally granted to them with the creation of the administrative leviathan state ; and Congress abdicating their constitutional powers.

    We are not supposed to be electing kings and dictators .
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    Mar 23, 2024, 09:21 AM
    No it isn't . We have a federal system
    Exactly correct. It is a system that has served us well for more than two centuries.

    The problem is not how Presidents are elected . The problem is how much power has been unconstitutionally granted to them with the creation of the administrative leviathan state ; and Congress abdicating their constitutional powers.
    Another great point. The growth of the executive is the basis of the "swamp" that Trump has referred to over and over again. The only solution is to shrink the size of that branch of government and limit its reach.
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    Jun 14, 2024, 04:06 AM
    As noted ;Wisconsin is a swing state . Recognizing that ;the GOP scheduled their July convention in Milwaukee .

    According to unnamed sources ;Trump was complaining about the convention being hosted by Milwaukee . He reportedly called it a "horrible city " during the GOP powwow .

    A spokesperson for the Trump campaign clarified that Trump was speaking about crime in the city .
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    Jun 27, 2024, 04:44 AM
    Now that SCOTUS rubber-stamped government censorship ;what does that mean for the 2024 elections ? Remember ; as long as they can censor ideas without "harming " someone then all bets are off.

    Armed with this new guideline ;and with the excuse of combatting "misinformation" the various agencies of the deep state can again put the squeeze on the compliant press and social media platforms to purge opposition ideas.
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    Jun 27, 2024, 05:02 AM
    Read Alito's dissent again. What he writes is spot on .
    When pressured ;social media folded like cheap tents.

    Fakebook's responses “were not what one would expect from an independent news source or a journalistic entity dedicated to holding the Government accountable for its actions...”Instead, Facebook’s responses resembled that of a subservient entity determined to stay in the good graces of a powerful taskmaster.”

    No doubt if Trump wins this election the Dems will again become champions of free speech.
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    Jun 27, 2024, 08:10 AM
    Very disappointed with Barrett, although they are, as I understand, trying to get out the backdoor by appealing to standing. So we might assume that if another case comes forward where the client's standing is more substantial, then they might reverse this decision???
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    Aug 29, 2024, 05:12 AM
    Texas has purged over 1 million names from their voter rolls.

    The Slimes says no biggie . It is dead people and those who moved out of state.

    Texas Removed 1 Million From Voter Rolls. But Most Had Moved or Died. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Less reported was the fact that there were 6,500 non-citizens on the roll . 1,930 had a record of voting in the past.

    texas voter roll - Search / X

    Dems believe they can take Texas. That can only happen with the illegal vote.

    Georgia .... the Dems stole that in 2020 and again in 2022. Stupid Repubs and Trump concentrated their efforts against the voting machines when video evidence proved they were stealing the vote in the time honored way of the manual count. The machines were only as trustworthy as who was feeding the machines with mail in and drop box ballots.

    Georgia has sorta cleaned up their game. They recently removed 150,000 names from their rolls.

    The Republican National Committee led by Michael Whatley and Lara Trump is leading a national campaign now that Ronna McDaniel (niece of Mittens Romney) has been ousted .Ronna was briefly employment by NBC after she was purged ; so you know where her loyalties were. Rachel Madcow and Chuck Todd led an effort to remove her.

    Republican Party leaders seek to purge 225,000 NC voters ahead of 2024 elections, citing worries dismissed by state officials (wral.com)


    Trump campaign, RNC pledge to deploy 100,000 attorneys and volunteers to monitor the vote (nbcnews.com)

    ROOKE: RNC’s Election Integrity Battle Is Raging On In Must-Win Swing States | The Daily Caller


    The steal is still possible ;but getting harder . That is why the Dems major push is to legalize illegals or at least get illegals the right to vote.
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    Sep 19, 2024, 05:33 AM
    Time Mag has an article setting us up for the election steal. It explains why the vote count will take longer.

    Election Results Could Be Delayed This Year. Here's Why | TIME
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    Sep 19, 2024, 05:54 AM
    This has significant risk involved with it. It is difficult to say how much longer many Americans will tolerate this blatant election cheating. It's also a reflection of how much the dems fear Donald Trump. As can be seen on this site, there are many libs who fear and hate him with considerable passion. It reminds me of how so many right-wingers hated Obama.
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    Oct 1, 2024, 11:18 AM
    It is time we put an end to Trump's attempt to steal the election ..

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    Oct 2, 2024, 03:46 AM
    Arizona is reporting that there are more than double the amount of voters in the state that can't prove citizenship than had been reported when SCOTUS gave then the green light to vote.

    Arizona, a key swing state in November's presidential election, requires voters to prove citizenship to vote a full ballot. However, residents can still vote in federal races if they attest under penalty of perjury to being citizens.
    Number of Voters in Key Swing State Missing Citizenship Proof Doubles (msn.com)
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    Oct 6, 2024, 01:16 PM
    Liberal dems have to be given some credit for old fashioned chutzpah. This is what HC says about the 2016 election.

    Last month, Clinton suggested during an appearance on MSNBC that Americans accused of interfering in U.S. elections by spreading "propaganda" promoting former President Trump should be civilly or even criminally charged, as she cited the 2016 election in which she lost to Trump.
    Amazing how the Steele Dossier has so rapidly vanished from her memory, and not to mention the participation of the FBI in squashing the HB laptop story in 2020.

    Hillary Clinton says social media companies need to moderate content or 'we lose total control' | Fox News
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    Oct 6, 2024, 03:36 PM
    again censorship is their answer .
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    Oct 6, 2024, 03:48 PM
    What is your view of the idea that Facebook, et al., should bear some responsibility for repercussions coming from posts on their sites?
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    Oct 6, 2024, 05:28 PM
    But we need national action, and sadly, our Congress has been dysfunctional
    WRONG !!!!! The 1st amendment is very clear .


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    She can couch her BS logic in protecting kids. That don't fly .

    These social media companies can choose to self regulate any way they want to . But the government either making laws or pressuring them in any way is unconstitutional censorship .

    As for 3rd party suits ; I had postings of this in the past in a number of comments .

    Section 230 again (askmehelpdesk.com)


    Sec 230 of the Communications Decency Act protects social media platforms from the First Amendment by saying they aren’t really “publishers”. They are conduit through which posts ,tweets, etc. flow. That makes them more like utilities like telephone companies that just carry the messages ;not arbiters of what gets posted .Imagine the phone company censoring a phone conversation. That is what they want.


    "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider" In other words, host sites are protected against laws that might otherwise be used to hold them legally responsible for what others say and do.

    47 U.S. Code § 230 - Protection for private blocking and screening of offensive material | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

    They can't have it both ways . If they want to be censors then they are in fact publishers of the content . If they want to claim they are not publishers then they are common carriers and do not have a right to censor. Choose one . That is what Justice Alito said in his dissent of the court's decision to stay HB20 .
    Netchoice v Paxton (askmehelpdesk.com)

    It is simple really .......if Twitter, Fakebook et al want to be censors, they should waive Sec 230 protections and admit they are publishers of content . Be warned then that if that is the road they want then they will have to shed any pretext of claiming to be the 21st century Town Square .

    Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky said that if a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm, then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society. I would add without fear of censorship. ("The Case for Democracy" by Natan Sharansky)



    The censorship that the government actively engaged in at Twitter and other Big Tech platforms not only hurt the specific person targeted. It also is a First Amendment violation against the intended audience. In fact, that is where the main damage is done.

    SCOTUS made that point clear in 1976 'Virginia Board of Pharmacy v. Virginia Citizens Consumer Council '


    In a 7-to-1 opinion, the Court held that the First Amendment protects willing speakers and willing listeners equally.


    Virginia State Board of Pharmacy v. Virginia Citizens Consumer Council, Inc. | Oyez

    1973 Norwood v. Harrison SCOTUS held that the government "may not induce, encourage or promote private persons to accomplish what it is constitutionally forbidden to accomplish."

    This is not just true of Twitter . The government pressure on social media to restrict so called harmful content is also a clear violation . It is questionable how much censoring is voluntary and how much is induced by government pressure .

    These Tech companies get a double barrel of it when government intel and law enforcement pressure them . They also are getting it from Congress demanding so called moderation.
    The Twitter Files - Page 5 (askmehelpdesk.com)
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    Oct 7, 2024, 04:33 AM
    This seems to have two concerns.

    The first concerns censorship and who will be doing it. I have no doubt that liberal dems want to have their fingers on the censorship button.

    But the second concerns the nature and responsibilities of the social media sites. I know that they already prohibit threats of violence or encouragement to violent activity. Not so clear on libel. Should they be censoring libelous content? That's the big question to me.

    This was interesting and clearly has great significance. "They can't have it both ways . If they want to be censors then they are in fact publishers of the content . If they want to claim they are not publishers then they are common carriers and do not have a right to censor. Choose one . That is what Justice Alito said in his dissent of the court's decision to stay HB20. It would seem to say that if a social media site decides to engage in censoring content, then they are essentially taking on the role of a publisher and the legal liability associated with it. Do I have that right?
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    Oct 8, 2024, 04:22 AM
    Yes if they act like a publisher then they are subject to liability laws (which in the US are lax compared to the dictators in Europe) . If they are just a conduit then they are not .

    It is scary that the Dems are now singing a chorus of censorship . You know their MO . Once they get in they claim a mandate to do the things they say regardless of how close the election was.

    Elon Musk ;despite his bravado is petrified .

    Elon Musk suggests he’ll be thrown in prison if Harris beats Trump :‘If he loses, I’m f—ed!’ (nypost.com)

    And the world agrees

    Brazil Supreme Court justice orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news and obstruction | PBS News

    elon musk: Elon Musk, out of control, should be threatened with arrest, says ex-Clinton secretary - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)

    Want to Muzzle Elon Musk? The UK Shows Why It's a Bad Idea | Opinion - Newsweek

    Elon Musk: After Telegram CEO Pavel Durov's arrest in France, should Elon Musk be nervous? Is he next? - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)

    What is his crime ? He allows free speech on X

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