[jlisenbe]

Turns out we've had the date wrong all this time.

"If I can halt for a second and just say to you the impact what happened on July 6 had international repercussions beyond what I think any of you can fully understand," Biden said.

We can't understand the repercussions anyway.

[tomder55]

That was 2 days after his Independence Day bender .He couldn't tell you any "international repercussions " if he were reading them off a teleprompter .

He's right though . July 6 was the day the US withdrew from Bagram Air base Afghanistan leaving an airport in downtown Kabul as the only way to complete US withdrawal from the country.As a result of that fateful decision 13 US Marines and more than a thousand Afghanis died when a bomb exploded during the US chaotic final withdrawal from Kaubul

Once the US did a cut and run ;the Afghan army concluded it was also time to cut and run. The Taliban swifty took over the country.

The Kremlin noticed .

One month later Nikolai Patrushev ;the head of Russian security noted :

In his opinion, Ukraine is heading towards dissolution and at some point, the US won’t even remember its supporters much like what happened in Kabul. "Did the fact that Afghanistan having the status of a main US ally outside of NATO save the ousted pro-American regime in Kabul? A similar situation awaits those who are banking on America in Ukraine where neo-Nazis are capable of taking power, the country is going to disintegrate, and the White House at a certain moment won’t even remember its supporters in Kiev," the security chief explained.

Press review: Patrushev says Afghan fate awaits Ukraine and error cuts EU gas prices - Press Review - TASS

So yeah July 6th had international repercussions . It was clearly in Putin's mind when he was considering an invasion into Ukraine .

[Athos]

It was clearly in Putin's mind when he was considering an invasion into Ukraine .

Now Biden is responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

At long last, have you no shame, Tomder?

[tomder55]

There is no doubt that Clueless goaded Putin into the invasion . On top of a perceived lack of commitments to American allies when things got tough , Clueless signaled to Putin that a limited action on the Donbas would be acceptable and that our response would be proportional.

If Putin was going to invade Ukraine for the purpose of regime change he would've done so after the US helped stage a coup ;the so called 'Orange Revolution ' against the Russophile regime of Viktor Yanukovych . That was when a pro-western regime was installed . Besides Putin's seizing of Crimea to protect the Russian naval base there ,there was no evidence that Putin had any design on Ukraine until there was apparent moves by the west to fast track Ukraine's admittance into NATO .

[jlisenbe]

The perception of weakness and lack of resolve is a dangerous event. Ask the French after Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland in 36. There are many who believe that if the French and British had moved aggressively to prevent Hitler's move, he would have withdrawn in political embarrassment. They did not, and World War 2 proved to be not far away.

Of course Biden is not spelled T-R-U-M-P, so what he did was fine with the TDS crowd.

[jlisenbe]

Tom, I hope you'll post something about the Speaker of the House vote that's ongoing.

Correction. That was ongoing until early this morning.

[tomder55]

Well what do you know ? The lead investigator for the Kangaroo court Tim Heaphy has disclosed that the committee excluded a key finding in the final report. He blames Trump's words ;but he gives a major hat tip to law enforcement failures .

That said, what happened at the Capitol was also affected by law enforcement failures to operationalize the ample intelligence that was present before Jan. 6, about the threats of violence.”
“Law enforcement had a very direct role in contributing to the security failures that led to the violence,"

Top Jan. 6 investigator says FBI, other agencies could have done more to repel Capitol mob had they acted on intel (nbcnews.com)

The committee white washed that part of the findings.

There was a lot of advance intelligence about law enforcement, about carrying weapons, about the vulnerability of the Capitol,” Heaphy said. “The intel in advance was pretty specific, and it was enough, in our view, for law enforcement to have done a better job.”

It's almost like Madam Mimi wanted the riot to happen

[Athos]

The committee white washed that part of the findings.

There was no white wash. The Committee rightly focused where the focus belonged - on the criminal in the White House who planned the insurrection.

[jlisenbe]

on the criminal in the White House who planned the insurrection.

A completely false statement for which there is no shred of evidence. It is even an open question as to whether the event can be intelligently referred to as an "insurrection".

[Wondergirl]

January 6 Timeline
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/10699...-what-and-when

[Athos]

January 6 Timeline
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/10699...-what-and-when

Great timeline!

Along with the Jan 6 Committee evidence, it proves that Trump organized and incited what is a classic definition of an insurrection. So many unhinged Republicans, basically co-conspirators and co-insurrectionists, will continue to be election deniers and insurrection deniers even faced with incontrovertible documentary audio and visual evidence.

The issue is no longer about politics, it is about sanity. Mental instability. The likes of Greene, Gaetz, and Santos - and many others - are now at the highest elective levels in the nation. These individuals do not have the mental acuity to perform the duties of their office. THIS IS NOT HYPERBOLE, IT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Jewish lasers from space
100% falsified resume
Child molestation

These are only a smidgen coming from the most bizarre Republicans.

[Wondergirl]

Jewish lasers from space
100% falsified resume
Child molestation

These are only a smidgen coming from the most bizarre Republicans.

Plus
wonton killings (Boebert)
peach tree dishes (Greene)
gazpacho police (Greene)

[jlisenbe]

I kept looking for the place on the timeline where it said Trump planned the demonstration which has been incorrectly referred to as an insurrection. Perhaps you can point that place out.

People need to learn that their personal opinions do not amount to real evidence.

The issue is no longer about politics, it is about sanity. Mental instability. The likes of Greene, Gaetz, and Santos - and many others - are now at the highest elective levels in the nation.

And then there is Biden!! Oh brother. And then throw in AOC and the Squad.

incontrovertible documentary audio and visual evidence.

Where is the evidence that incontrovertibly proves the demonstration was an insurrection?

[tomder55]

Thanks for the biased timeline . If anything it confirms what lead investigator Tim Heaphy for the Kangaroo court said about the lack of resources when Madam Mimi and DC Mayor Muriel Bowser knew of potential problems. During the BLM protests a gnat could not have penetrated the Capitol defenses .

The timeline does not mention this from Trump's address;

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"

That doesn't sound like a call to insurrection to me.

Protesters break windows and climb into the Capitol. They open doors for others to follow.

The US Capitol Police Force is under fire for the way it handled Wednesday's insurrection at Capitol Hill, as officers were filmed taking selfies with rioters and appearing to help them move back barricades and open doors.

Capitol Building Officers Posed for Selfies, Helped Protesters (businessinsider.com)

A Capitol Police officer shoots Ashli Babbitt as she tries to climb through the doors. She later dies of her injuries.

The only firearm discharged during the riot was fired point blank at Ashli Babbitt by Lt. Michael Byrd . Byrd had a history of improper handling of a gun having previously left his Glock 22 unattended in a bathroom in the Capitol Visitor Center complex .Unlike a gun with a traditional safety, a Glock 22 will fire if the trigger is pulled.

His careless gun safety measures made him a poor choice to be an officer in charge of guarding the Capitol .His point blank shooting of unarmed Babbit would've been dealt with differently if she was at a "mostly peaceful" protester during the Floyd riots . There would've been an arrest and trial of him by now .

4:17 p.m.

Trump does not go on TV. Instead, he tweets a video talking to his supporters inside the Capitol.
"I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."

Of course he Tweeted .Most times the compliant press did not even bother carrying his addresses . In addition ,anyone inside the Capitol would not have seen a television address .But many of them were on Twitter and other social media while the riot was occurring .

He can rightfully be fauluted for taking too long to make that statement .

There was no white wash

Heaphy said law enforcement agencies could have prevented the Jan. 6 attack; that the FBI and DHS had important intel but failed to act on it; that the Kangaroo court downplayed law enforcement's role in the riot.

Sounds like he is accusing them of a white wash to me.


Mattathias Schwartz , a senior correspondent at Insider, is sounding the white wash charge as well .

The legislation establishing it directed the committee to report on the entire set of "facts, circumstances, and causes" surrounding the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol.

And on that measure, it failed. By focusing almost exclusively on the role that Trump and his acolytes played in fomenting the riot, the committee has deprived the public of the best possible understanding of exactly what happened that day, why no one anticipated it, and why it wasn't stopped by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and others charged with protecting the Capitol from dangers foreign and domestic.

The Jan. 6 Committee's Narrow Focus on Trump Let the FBI and DHS Off the Hook (businessinsider.com)

He documents concerns Mark Warner the head of the Senate Intel committee had on Jan 4 that he relayed to the FBI .

A week after the riot ,the Compost reported that the FBI knew of potential violence on Jan 5 ,the day before the riot .

FBI report warned of 'war' at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence - The Washington Post

Schwartz writes ;

The January 6 report makes a complicated argument to absolve the security establishment of responsibility for permitting the attack, one that hinges on surprise.

Sounds like a white wash of the truth to me .

[Wondergirl]

The timeline does not mention this from Trump's address;

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"

That doesn't sound like a call to insurrection to me.

He sure fooled them, didn't he! They noisily rioted and insurrected like they'd been encouraged to all morning into the afternoon. He'd implied and even said "we", making them think he'd be at their head, he'd be leading them. And where was Trump in the afternoon when the mob got really energetic? He was in the WH, eagerly watching the insurrection on tv.

[Athos]

And where was Trump in the afternoon when the mob got really energetic? He was in the WH, eagerly watching the insurrection on tv.

All around him were begging him to do SOMETHING, anything to stop the violence. But Trump just sat there for HOURS, gleefully watching the chaos on TV and cackling like a madman. When it became apparent the insurrection had failed, Trump then went on video and asked for "peace".

[tomder55]

Still not addressing the point that the lead investigator for the committee said the Kangaroo court covered up some key facts related to the fact that security was intentionally neglected for the Capitol.

They knew there was a threat . That decision was made by MayorBowser and Madam Mimi to turn down offers by the President to have a significant National Guard presence there .

3300 Guard troops were in DC for the BLM protest . 7500 Guard troops were in DC to assist law enforcement for the p-ssy hat protests at Trump's inauguration . The breach on Jan 6 happened because the Dems wanted it to happen.

[jlisenbe]

He sure fooled them, didn't he! They noisily rioted and insurrected like they'd been encouraged to all morning into the afternoon.

Just a plainly false statement. Trump never encouraged anyone to riot or carry out an insurrection. If you want to still claim he did, then finding the video or text of this alleged behavior should be simple. Post it.

He was in the WH, eagerly watching the insurrection on tv.

Comments like this make this site tiresome. You have no evidence at all to support the underlined portion of your claim. It's just a raw hatred of Trump that causes these kinds of hateful speculations. This complete disregard for the truth gets very old.

Ditto for this nonsense.

But Trump just sat there for HOURS, gleefully watching the chaos on TV and cackling like a madman.

[Wondergirl]

• President Donald Trump took several hours to respond to the insurrection at the Capitol last Wednesday despite numerous pleas from staff, advisors, and members of his family.
• A new report from The Washington Post says Trump was too busy watching the insurrection unfold on TV [FOX News] to do anything to quell it.
• "He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV. If it's TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls," one Trump advisor told The Post.
• Sen. Lindsey Graham said Trump was also reluctant to do anything because "he saw these people as allies in his journey and sympathetic to the idea that the election was stolen."
• https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...k-place-2021-1
• Former White House officials such as Kayleigh McEnany and Pat Cipollone said Trump was holed up in the dining room next to the Oval Office as the attack unfolded. According to Cipollone, who served as White House counsel, images of the violence unfolding were on the screen as Trump watched.
• https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...m-video-2022-7
• https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jXM6h9elyTY

Just a plainly false statement. Trump never encouraged anyone to riot or carry out an insurrection. If you want to still claim he did, then finding the video or text of this alleged behavior should be simple. Post it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...f2ba65890acdf6

[jlisenbe]

You presented nothing to show that Trump was gleefully watching the demonstration on 1/6. You presented nothing to show that Trump encouraged anyone to carry out an insurrection. Just posting disjointed links does not help your cause.