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Jul 25, 2007, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by METERRE
I've gone to catholic churches all throughout my life because my parents took me, the sad thing is that i can tell just by looking at a glance around the room, that atleast 60% of the people there don't quite have anything to be doing there. Not trying to offend them in any way but i think it's the truth. I mean, women fixing their hair, scolding their restless children, guys looking at girls. Minds wandering off, chatter, in shorter words, their mind and soul aren't focused on the point of being there. So i guess what i'm saying is, i haven't seen 50 people at once in which i would ever trust with my life.
I sit in my church, and I can actually count about 50 people who are intent on what the pastor is saying and who either pray or sing and who all believe.
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Jul 30, 2007, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Freethinka
How much longer before he come back,
anyone know, let me know please...
Does Jesus live? Yes, He is alive, raised from the dead on the third day after his crucificaxtion by the Romans. That is FACT and History, proven. His is the only tomb that is empty!
How much longer before he come back? No one knows. So live each day as the ulitmate special guest (Jesus Christ) would and could be arriving.
It is clear that you are very torn between two sides of yourself; shown by your questions and responses but also by referencing yourself in the third person.
Before Jesus was crucified Pilate asked Him a question:
36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”
37 Pilate said, “So you are a king?”
Jesus responded, “You say I am a king. Actually, I was born and came into the world to testify to the truth. All who love the truth recognize that what I say is true.”
Jesus responded that people who love the truth hear what He is saying is true. I think you seek the TRUTH not just answers. I would recommend that you would pray that the TRUTH would be revealed to you personally.
We can all give our opinions and debate but what it comes down to is what you hear and hopefully that ends up being the TRUTH
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Jul 30, 2007, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mountain_man
That is FACT and History, proven. His is the only tomb that is empty!!
Well I wouldn't go as far as saying it is fact and is proven. It is written up in a book that man wrote. People don't even know where the grave was.
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Jul 30, 2007, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Well I wouldn;t go as far as saying it is fact and is proven. It is written up in a book that man wrote. People don't even know where the grave was.
So ALL historic events have been proven beyond being written in a book by man? ALso can you disprove that this event took place? Because this event was witnessed by many people when it occurred... and written down like many other events in history
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Aug 1, 2007, 12:29 AM
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I agree with you mountain man :) and those people that wrote the bible were inspired by God, in so much that I could actually say that God used their hands to write the bible, to the unbeliever this might sounds foolish, but what is foolish to sinners is greatness to God
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Aug 1, 2007, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mountain_man
So ALL historic events have been proven beyond being written in a book by man? ALso can you disprove that this event took place? Becuase this event was witnessed by many people when it occurred...and written down like many other events in history
You're correct, of course, all of our knowledge of the past comes from human writing and as such is very liable to bias and fabrication. Historians accept this and it is their job to determine what happened and what didn't. Your point doesn't back up the Bible as truth as I think you think it does, but you point out that the rest of history could be innaccurate in places, which is widely accepted. Of course we have archaeological and relical evidence for much of history, too, not just human writings, this helps to make sure that the words are accurate.
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Aug 1, 2007, 07:08 PM
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There is archaeological and relical evidence to the bible, as the places described in it are all real and many of them have been found.
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Aug 4, 2007, 10:26 AM
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Im muslim and I can tell some true facts from our holly Quran... the story is as GOD delivered it to prophet Muhamed " Jesus ,the son of virgin Mary was not killed nor was he hung or anything but instead another man who looked exactly like him and GOD has made Jesus and his spirit rise to him so people thought he was killed ,Jesus is also now alive but up in heaven and when the signs of the end of the world come ,Jesus will come down and will kill a very evil creature not sure if he's human who will have like magic powers and will try to make people believe that his god and then Jesus would die on earth land after he kills that creature and then life would end and every person would go to either heaven or hell )
Hope its helpful and its true :)
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Aug 4, 2007, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by budgiebreeder
Im muslim and I can tell some true facts from our holly Quran...the story is as GOD delivered it to prophet Muhamed " Jesus ,the son of virgin Mary was not killed nor was he hung or anything but instead another man who looked exactly like him and GOD has made Jesus and his spirit rise to him so people thought he was killed ,Jesus is also now alive but up in heaven and when the signs of the end of the world come ,Jesus will come down and will kill a very evil creature not sure if he's human who will have like magic powers and will try to make people believe that his god and then Jesus would die on earth land after he kills that creature and then life would end and every person would go to either heaven or hell )
Hope its helpful and its true :)
budgiebreeder,
What you are talking about is the AntiChrist or the Dajjal as muslims call it.
And what you say is true that Jesus (Peace be upon him) will return to earth near the end of times as muslims believe and all those who has been lying about him will see the truth.
And after the AntiChrist is killed there will be peace on earth for a long time as muslims believe and after that (no ones know when) will come the day of Resurrection.
:)
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Aug 4, 2007, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cal823
there is archaeological and relical evidence to the bible, as the places described in it are all real and many of them have been found.
I don't think many dispute the fact that many of the places names are real.
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Expert
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Aug 4, 2007, 03:29 PM
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Just putting this out there Revalations was written by a man who was trapped on a desserted island without any food or water. How do we know it's true- perhaps he was hallucinating, or maybe because he was dying he thought he saw G-d and the end of the world coming. How can you be sure that the end of the world is coming at all? How do you know that the Messiah has already come...
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Aug 4, 2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gernald
Just putting this out there Revalations was written by a man who was trapped on a desserted island without any food or water. How do we know it's true- perhaps he was hallucinating, or maybe because he was dying he thought he saw G-d and the end of the world comming. How can you be sure that the end of the world is comming at all? How do you know that the Messiah has already come...
Are you asking specifically for a christian viewpoint? Or...
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