[jlisenbe]

More of interest.

Roe expressedthe “feel[ing]” that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be thatthe abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance

It's interesting to me that the Court in the Roe decision could appeal to the "liberty" interest in the 14th amendment and yet be appallingly uninterested in the "life" provision.

[Wondergirl]

The Prolife Bill

1. Father is responsible for 100% of ALL pregnancy related expenses including missed work and transportation since mother has to do all the physical responsibility.
2. Minimum child support $1000 per month per child
3. 10% per day for late child support
4. Minimum $1000 fine for each court appearance over non payment of child support awarded to custodial parent for inconvenience.
5. Reimbursement for transportation, missed work and child care for any court appearance over non payment of child support.
6. 100% of attorney fees for any court appearance over non payment of child support.
7. Non payment of child support is a criminal offense requiring an automatic minimum 60 days in jail for any 60 days of arrearage.
8. Any person in 90 days arrearage for child support required to become sterilized.
9. $25,000 fine for the male responsible for an unwanted pregnancy for a child given up for adoption that goes to fund sex education, free contraception and foster care since mother has to do all the physical part.
10. Non custodial parent is responsible for 100% of child care expenses since custodial parent is doing all the physical care.
11. All fees, fines, child support, child care, legal fees etc. automatically extracted from any income (payroll, tax returns, disability income, etc.) in full before any portion goes to the non custodial parents so children are put first.

If you truly care about a fetus you must absolutely care more about a child. If you feel so passionate about not allowing a woman to terminate an unwanted pregnancy that you have the right to impose your beliefs on HER you absolutely must believe that you have the right to impose responsibility on the FATHER of a child.

[jlisenbe]

Why are you attempting to impose your beliefs on others?

You never did answer this. Is it better to kill the unborn child or better to deliver a live child for adoption?

[tomder55]

So a woman bears no responsibility; and a father has no say if his child lives or dies unless he pays a ransom for the child's life . I always thought such extortion was illegal .

[Wondergirl]

The father bears no responsibility if the mother keeps the child she would have otherwise aborted?

[tomder55]

I did not say that . Parenting is a shared responsibility .

[jlisenbe]

If you feel so passionate about not allowing a woman to terminate an unwanted pregnancy that you have the right to impose your beliefs on HER you absolutely must believe that you have the right to impose responsibility on the FATHER of a child.

I always find these comments amusing. A person is so offended that others would "impose your beliefs" on women that she feels compelled to...impose her beliefs on men. How does the old saying go? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Wondergirl]

So if there's no abortion and the mother keeps the child, what are the father's responsibilities?

[tomder55]

Father's responsibilities goes well beyond the ransom list above . It would be a waste of time to itemize them as if it was some kind of a prenuptial agreement . What are the mother's ? Many of course . The murder of her child is not one of them .

I am out of this conversation . Over 50 years this issue has been hashed and rehashed . Ben is right . No one is going to convince me that the murder of a baby is right and I guess no one is going to convince you that it is wrong .

[Wondergirl]

According to the Bible, that fetus isn't a living soul until it takes its first breath. And that living soul has TWO parents, a mother AND and father, both of whom are supposed to raise the child with love and to become a responsible human being.