[Athos]

It is your responsibility to fact check everybody, for a reasonable discussion. Otherwise you come across as a dismissive arrogant hypocrite hiding behind a call for evidence that could well destroy any credibility on whatever point you make. Maybe a good way to hide ones agenda or intentions but a lousy way to foster healthy debate based on facts and not just feelings. Conservatives can't own the libs in such a climate, but it's fun to watch your heads explode from the confusion of your own ideology which appears to be supporting a lying cheating loser who was booted from the WH by the people after repubs failed to act twice.

Fact check that.

Glad to see you back, talaniman.

Your post here is a perfect description of how Jl operates. I would only add that he DOES do google searches when confronted and he DOES click on links when challenged. The difference is that he decides if the search/link supports his position or if he can somehow find a word or phrase that he can deflect with. Failing that, he claims NOT to have searched/linked so he has no responsibility for finding the facts (and denies those facts). Not as tricky as he thinks.

[jlisenbe]

Cop shootings generally result in the cop being placed on suspension for some period of time while the shooting is investigated. It usually results in the policeman being rightly cleared as in the case of the Michael Brown shooting. Several investigations came to the same conclusion of self-defense (including Obama's DOJ) while BLM led riots destroyed millions of dollars worth of private and public property.

[talaniman]

Between Tom's spin, and your inadequate cherry picking, you illustrate the conservative disconnect with reality. Running in circles has consequences. Google Rochester cop killing and see the lies and cover up by the police. Imagine the shooting of citizens across the country by the cops without video evidence, and just have the cops word for what happened. SCARY to say the least.

The sad part is I know even conservatives are against bad cops.

[tomder55]

So how are the 10 Repubs who voted to impeach Trump fairing this primary cycle ?

Tuesday in SC ;Tom Rice was crushed in a primary by state Rep Russell Fry who ran with a Trump endorsement .

Reps. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois(who along with Liz Cheney is on the kangaroo court ), John Katko of New York, Fred Upton of Michigan and Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio have announced their plans to retire rather than face defeat ......based on their constituents reaction to the impeachment vote.

Washington Reps. Dan Newhouse and Jaime Herrera Beutler ;and Michigan Rep. Peter Meijer face Trump endorsed challengers August 2.

California Rep. David Valadao is in 2nd place in his district ,in a weirdo state system where the 2 top vote getters in the primaries face off in the general election regardless of their party . Valadao did not face a Trump-backed opponent.

Wyoming Rep Liz Cheney is facing off against Trump backed Harriet Hageman. Cheney is currently behind in polls . She claims that besides the fact that she is out to get Trump, that she is a consistent conservative . That is a true statement. But so was Tom Rice . The deciding factor was his vote to impeach Trump.

[jlisenbe]

I am not an enthusiastic Trump supporter, but I did appreciate what the country was able to do under his admin. To vote in favor of impeachment was a questionable move at best. He plainly had done nothing deserving impeachment.

[tomder55]

one survey released last week found Cheney trailing her top opponent Hageman by 28 points.
Liz Cheney at Risk of Losing Her Seat in Congress (newsweek.com)

Yes I endorse Trumpism as it is called .

Liz Cheney is a swamp critter . The Cheney name has been associated with DC insider politics since 1969 when her father joined Don Rumsfeld's staff .He became a Rep in 1979 after serving various functions in the Executive Branch.

It is not surprising that she opposed Trump . Her animosity towards him comes from his crude rhetoric about her father's neo-con interventionist policies .

[jlisenbe]

I wouldn't say this is 100% accurate, but it's close enough. How far we have fallen!

[tomder55]

Last week a gang of operatives hired by mediocre comic turned political satirist Steven Colbert broke into the Capitol Building . Surely you have heard of this coup attempt . No ? It was briefly mentioned at the time but has largely been forgotten. They were arrested by the Capitol Police (none were shot and killed for the illegal entry) .

Why were they there ? Their goal was to stalk and harass lawmakers at the urging of Rep Adam Shiffhead and two other Dem Reps who lead them in this after hours "tour " .Oh what great fun!! They banged on the office door of Rep. Lauren Boebert.

Two ranking Reps from the GOP have asked the Capitol Police and the IG for video footage of the break in and witness statements .
January 2022 Rep. Rodney Davis Letter to USCP Inspector General (pogo.org)

They better not hold their breath.

The operatives were very briefly detained before being released . None of them to my knowledge were subject to extended arrest ,held in isolation for months or had their home doors forcibly opened by pre-dawn raiding FBI agents .None have been denied bail . To my knowledge none are charged with any crime. Allegedly they will appear in local DC court next month not subject to any Federal charges .

Navy Reservist Hatchet Speed should be so lucky.

WarrantGeneratorHatchet Speed.pdf (justice.gov)

Speed entered the Capitol on Jan 6 after the joint session of Congress recessed . Capitol police were chatting with protesters. Speed walked around the Rotunda and exited in less than an hour . Speed didn’t carry a weapon , assault police officers ,or even bang on the office doors of members of Congress.But Speed will most likely plea guilty to parading in the Capitol and will do jail time .

An assistant AG during the end of Trump's term Jeffrey Clark was arrested by the FBI this week . His home was raided and he was forcefully removed from his home in his pajamas . They then seized all his electronic equipment . The raid was reported to the compliant press which in turn made sure it was breaking news just before the Thursday Jan 6 Committee hearings began. Clark's alleged assist of Trump's "coup" was the subject of the day's hearing .Nah no coordination between the Justice Dept and the Congressional Dems there. Neither is the fact that multiple subpoenas were issued Wednesday right before the hearing began.

Jan. 6 probe expands with new subpoenas focused on false electors - The Washington Post

[tomder55]

Charges were dropped against Steven Colbert's crew . A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office said it was not probable a conviction could be obtained and sustained given that the nine arrested had been invited and that their escorts had never asked them to leave the building.

The escorts were Adam Schiffhead's staffers .

[tomder55]

Contrast the treatment of Colbert's crew with Pamela Hemphill; a 69 year old grandma with cancer who went to prison this week to serve a 2 month sentence for her participation of Jan 6.

67 year old Darrel Kennemer had his house raided by 100 FBI agents last month . In the pre-dawn hours they busted through his gate . Startled and awakened from sleep he went for his rifle and stepped out on his porch in his skivvies . The agents told him to drop the rifle . He asked to see their warrant. They threw flash bang grenades at him and then put lazer sites on him and demanded he drop the rifle . He and his wife were cuffed and taken away.....but not arrested . They were detained without an arrest for several hours while the agents searched the home . They seized cell phones and Trump paraphernalia. The couple was released without charges .

What did Darrel Kennemer do to deserve such treatment ? He was near the Capitol on Jan 6.

[jlisenbe]

It's far too reminiscent of the Nazi days when people were just arrested and then disappeared. Every person in this country should be outraged at these events, but for many it's OK since, after all, Trump is the target. Well, next month it could very well be you.

[Curlyben]

It's far too reminiscent of the Nazi days when people were just arrested and then disappeared. Every person in this country should be outraged at these events, but for many it's OK since, after all, Trump is the target. Well, next month it could very well be you.

Very true, authoritarian fascism is alive and well and fully ensconced in the US Law Enforcement system, far detached from the notion of Serve and Protect the citizenry...
This has been going on for many years, separate from whoever is running the country, a law unto themselves, literately.

[tomder55]

contrast the treatment mentioned above with the arrest of Congressional Rep All Out Crazy who was led away from a pro-baby killing protest on the Capitol ;arrested complete with fake handcuffs . At one point as she was being gently led away she gave it away when she removed her fake hand cuffs long enough to raise her fist to the crowd . Then she put her hand back in the fake cuffs .

[jlisenbe]

There is much fake about AOC.

[tomder55]

yes she is an Instagram star

[tomder55]

[jlisenbe]

This is classic D.C. political talk. Note that it was "suggested" that something "may have" taken place. In other words, we don't know anything.

Cheney said at the end of the June 28 hearing that the committee obtained evidence suggesting Trump's team may have tried to tamper with witness testimony, which is a crime.

"Yes, members of the jury, I can unequivocally suggest that the accused may have committed this crime." It would be laughed out of any court other than the kangaroo variety.

Jan. 6 Hearings: Trump Tried To Contact Committee Witness, Cheney Says (forbes.com)

[jlisenbe]

[jlisenbe]

Everyone needs a little laugh from time to time.

[tomder55]

Today is the 2nd anniversary of the January 6 2021 protest .

Today in DC; ,Micki Witthoeft ,while holding a memorial service for her daugher Ashli Babbett ( who was murdered by Capitol Police officer Michael Byrd ),was arrested .......for jay walking .