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    Mar 4, 2009, 11:51 AM

    I could just move to dubai where I would get paid big bucks and not have to worry about all of this. LOL
    Thanks I was waiting for this opening

    Quoting the director of one of India's leading private hospital chains, The Sunday Times reported that he was receiving five job applications a week from NHS doctors and that half his 3,000 consultants were from Britain.

    "There's a feeling that India's time has come and there's a huge need for these people to come back," Anupam Sibal, director of the Apollo Hospital in Delhi said. Doctors say they are moving to India because of its economy, state of the art equipment, higher standards than the NHS and a better quality of life.

    In particular, they say hospitals in India, which many Britons still imagine to be impoverished and dirty, suffer less from hospital-acquired infections such as MRSA. There has been a boom in private hospitals in India that resemble luxury hotels, with marble foyers and corridors mopped by an army of liveried cleaners.

    One of those who has made the transition is Mahesh Kulkarni, an orthopaedic surgeon, who left Bristol Royal Infirmary after 10 years in Britain. He is now a consultant at the Aditya Birla Memorial Hospital in Pune.

    "The hospitals are better than in Britain," he said. "The hospital is spotless and clean compared with the old hospitals in the UK, some of which are more than 100 years old. I started in January this year and I have not seen MRSA here yet."

    Ameet kishore had worked as an ear, nose and throat consultant in glasgow royal infirmary for 12 years when he moved to the apollo hospital in Delhi two years ago. He said the new Indian hospitals were cleaner and better resourced.

    Other doctors cited new European Union rules for their decision to move. Shailendra Magdam, a specialist registrar in neurosurgery at Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford until he left for India in August last year, said that rules favouring EU doctors over Indians had played a part.

    He said the EU's working time directive had also lowered NHS standards, by restricting the amount of time that young doctors could spend on the wards. "For a neurosurgeon to be good you have to spend a lot of time on the wards, but in Britain the working time directive is running down training," he said.

    Although salaries are usually lower in India, doctors are finding that their standard of living is better. Kishore said he lived in a bigger house with a driver, cleaner, cook, nanny and watchman to look after him, his wife and two young children.
    YaHind.Com - News - Indian hospitals wooing back British NRI doctors
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    Mar 4, 2009, 12:10 PM
    My sister lives in Dubai and rates its doctors (she is pregnant) and hospitals as some of the best she has ever seen in her 15 years of travels around the world. When they moved there they were GIVEN a home that is large enough for my entire family as well as hers.

    If this Nobama crud passes, I may have to go stay with her.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 12:34 PM

    I guess I am crazy thinking you should do all duties of your job. I am not morally tone def I just believe that you should check your morals or beliefs at the door when you walk in to work. If you do not want to do a part of your job then find a new job.

    George referring to me as being trained by Communist doesn't offend me maybe it offends some of you older folks but not the new generation.

    I used the example of a network because that is what I do. True it is not life or death (but the way some of my customers react to a down network you would think it is). I admit it was a poor example.

    Tom Thanks for giving me a straight answer. I can always depend on you.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 01:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom View Post
    I guess I am crazy thinking you should do all duties of your job. I am not morally tone def I just believe that you should check your morals or beliefs at the door when you walk in to work. If you do not want to do a part of your job then find a new job.
    I don't mean to come off condescending, but you apparently are not trained in the medical field, specifically labor and delivery. We can choose our patients. If my ex husband's girlfriend, who he cheated on me with, were to walk in in labor I would not want to take care of her, I would ask another nurse to assume care and I would move to work in the nursery for example.

    I do not want to be told that I must assist in performing a late term abortion if I do not believe in it. Why? Because many late term babies can live and not be killed. Please correct me if I am wrong, but Nobama does believe in late term abortions does he not?
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    Mar 4, 2009, 01:24 PM
    How can anyone believe the government has the right to compel someone to perform an abortion? What next, compulsory euthanasia?
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    Mar 4, 2009, 01:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    How can anyone believe the government has the right to compel someone to perform an abortion? What next, compulsory euthanasia?
    Exactly, but I fear this may be coming with the current office.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 01:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by J_9 View Post
    you apparently are not trained in the medical field, specifically labor and delivery.
    Is it that obvious ;)
    I was looking at it as you have a job to do you either do all of your job or don't do it at all. It is easy for me to sit here and say that but if I were in your shoes I might be whistling a different tune.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 01:40 PM

    And by 'tone deaf', I mean the inability to distinguish between removing a hang nail or spleen, and removing a fetus. By the way, there are attorneys who are unable to take divorce cases by virtue of their religion.
    I can just hear it: "Comrad J_9! Take your position and assist in _____________! Should you fail to heed this directive, you will have 6 weeks re-education at subsistence pay, and your name and photo will be posted on the front page of the community paper!" Sorry, I don't buy into the notion that having an open mind is agreeing to legalizing drugs and placing cold-blooded murderers in life imprisonment.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 02:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom View Post
    ...George referring to me as being trained by Communist doesn't offend me maybe it offends some of you older folks but not the new generation....
    I wouldn't necessarily say "Communist", but "An unquestioningly loyal subordinate, especially of a political leader or organization." Apparatchik's definition | Dictionary.com
    As for older folks: I didn't recently fall-off the turnip truck. Abortion was 'found' to be a 'right' by the US Supreme Court in 1973, about three years before I finished 'growing-up'. I gave the subject some thought and came to a conclusion fairly quick.
    It is my belief that if you are a 'materialist', you, too, can come to the conclusion that those haphazard arrangements of cells have no purpose and are entitled to no constitutional rights, which is sort of how I view enemy combatants, out of uniform, captured on the battlefield.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 03:10 PM

    Those haphazard arrangements of cells have no purpose... which is sort of how I view enemy combatants, out of uniform, captured on the battlefield.
    My preference would be to return them to that state of haphazard arrangements of cells
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    Mar 4, 2009, 03:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    My preference would be to return them to that state of haphazard arrangements of cells
    One good turn deserves another.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 03:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom View Post
    I guess I am crazy thinking you should do all duties of your job. I am not morally tone def I just believe that you should check your morals or beliefs at the door when you walk in to work. If you do not want to do a part of your job then find a new job.

    George referring to me as being trained by Communist doesn't offend me maybe it offends some of you older folks but not the new generation.

    I used the example of a network because that is what I do. True it is not life or death (but the way some of my customers react to a down network you would think it is). I admit it was a poor example.

    Tom Thanks for giving me a straight answer. I can always depend on you.
    Timeā€™s Amy Sullivan Misrepresents FOCA Battle, Obama's Abortion Support | NewsBusters.org


    In the health care field you want professionals to check their morals at the door? :eek:

    Think about that for a minute, you want that trauma surgeon to try and fix you, family, or friend up after he's had a few to drink while on call? I mean, why should he stay sober? If, that is the moral thing to do, right?

    You want your doctor to do a unneeded colonoscope on you because he has bills to pay and, besides, he left his morals at home?

    Do you want that nurse to post pictures on the internet of you in your hospital gown? Hey they checked their morals at the door..


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    This is truly Orwellian

    FOCA

    As stated before, Obama said that when life begins is beyond his "paygrade" yet he is going to tell professionals and institutions that they have to kill the unborn?!

    What happened to First Amendment rights?:confused:

    This is outrageous.














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    #33

    Mar 4, 2009, 04:36 PM

    Want to read about 'checking your morals at the door'? "MIAMI - A Hialeah abortion clinic owner's lawyer this afternoon said his client will plead not guilty to accusations she delivered a live baby during a botched procedure and then threw the infant away."
    Hialeah abortion clinic denies throwing newborn away after botched procedure -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
    There are those who say abortion is big business in modern America; I don't know. But this kind of sounds like it.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 06:17 PM

    J-9 I am so very sorry you are in this situation. I know my late mother, who was an RN for 50 years, would be rolling in her grave now (but she was cremated) over what the nurses are now being forced to do or will be forced to do in the future.

    She was a kind, loving, caring nurse who really loved her patients. She had a gentle touch and a healing touch as well. She would cry when she lost a patient to death. Most "good" nurses have these qualities. The good ones who care about life itself are the ones I am talking about. You are obviously one of the "good" ones like my mom was.

    You will have to make this decision once the "rules" come down on your beloved profession. Maybe going to another country would be better for you as I personally don't think you would be able to sleep at night if you had to partake in such a procedure just to keep your job. You don't seem like the type.

    Mr. Big Ears has no regard for human life and that was made perfectly clear a long time ago. He's just not coming out and saying it so everyone can hear but the way he voted while an Illinois senator speaks volumes. The "that's above my pay grade" was ludicris to put it mildly. He does not care if a baby is born alive as he does not want to "waste" money on keeping it alive as the mother had already determined she wanted an abortion so she should not have to take a live baby home with her.

    Yes, and socialized medicine will definitely be the bane of America. Right now the only jobs listed in the want ads are (oddly enough) for medical professionals such as sonographers, nurses, medical assistants, doctors, etc. and not factory workers or office workers. For every 100 jobs here in Ohio on the net that I can access, 85 of them are for medical this or medical that.

    I am glad now that my mother made me promise her that I would never be a nurse or go into the medical profession. She made me promise this over 40 years ago. Maybe she could see this coming. I don't know.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 07:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    In the health care field you want professionals to check their morals at the door? :eek:

    Think about that for a minute, you want that trauma surgeon to try and fix you, family, or friend up after he's had a few to drink while on call? I mean, why should he stay sober? If, that is the moral thing to do, right?

    You want your doctor to do a unneeded colonoscope on you because he has bills to pay and, besides, he left his morals at home?

    Do you want that nurse to post pictures on the internet of you in your hospital gown? Hey they checked their morals at the door..


    G&P
    Poor comparisons. If a Dr or nurse did any of the above they would be breaking the law. Not immoral.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 07:14 PM

    So Twinkie your saying any nurse involved in an abortion does not care for their patients? Is not a 'good' nurse? Doesn't feel pain when patients die??

    I hope every time you go to the hospital you ask the nurse if they are one of the 'good' ones like your mum and J9. And if not you ask not to be treated by these horrible monsters.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell View Post
    So Twinkie your saying any nurse involved in an abortion does not care for their patients?? Is not a 'good' nurse?? Doesnt feel pain when patients die???

    I hope every time you go to the hospital you ask the nurse if they are one of the 'good' ones like your mum and J9. And if not you ask not to be treated by these horrible monsters.
    Skell, every time I have to deliver a fetal demise I cry, for days, as if it were my own. I can't imagine Nobama telling me that I have no choice but to participate in a late term abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    You will have to make this decision once the "rules" come down on your beloved profession.
    Actually this is why hospitals have Ethics Committees. Will Nobama do away with that as well?
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    Mar 4, 2009, 07:45 PM

    Actually this is why hospitals have Ethics Committees. Will Nobama do away with that as well?

    I'm sure that the Ethics Committees will be done away with due to the fact "they have no place" in a hospital setting or medical setting. I can see it coming.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    I'm sure that the Ethics Committees will be done away with due to the fact "they have no place" in a hospital setting or medical setting. I can see it coming.
    You are joking correct? I deal with the ethics committees on a monthly basis.
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    Mar 4, 2009, 08:14 PM

    No, I am not joking. To cut costs and cut corners they will cut anywhere they can. I feel that the Ethics Committees will be severely hamstrung in the near future.

    That's why I don't go to doctors or hospitals.

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