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  • Nov 20, 2005, 07:54 PM
    JoeCanada76
    The Unforgivable Sin?
    I know there are many different nominations and beliefs and opinions about the subject of sin. So here goes. Have any of you heard about the UNFORGIVABLE SIN? If you have exactly what is this unforgivable sin. At the same time I thought all sin can be forgiven?

    What is your take?

    Joe
  • Nov 20, 2005, 09:53 PM
    letmeno
    The only unforgivable sin that I believe is suicide.
  • Nov 20, 2005, 10:24 PM
    Chery
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by letmeno
    The only unforgivable sin that I beleive is suicide.

    I would agree, but am not sure. If you have not checked this Bible, here's a link.

    http://www.bible.com/bibleresources/...rder=bookorder

    There are too many versions and pages. Good Luck.
  • Nov 21, 2005, 02:14 PM
    jduke44
    unforgivable sin
    Almost all sin can be forgiven. The only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." (thanks Chery for the online bibles). I don't like to take one scripture because you can take it out of context but this one does speak for itself(for the most part). Brief reason is that by blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying no to him. By saying no you are cutting off the connection between you and Jesus who is the one who saves you. Of course, I gave a Christian point of viee which I am.
  • Nov 21, 2005, 02:41 PM
    Chery
    From King James Version
    http://www.bible.com/bibleresources/images/spacer.gif
    Quote:

    Passage Mark 3:29:
    29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.




    Depending on which Bible is read, it's still the same meaning. Thanks for the hint.
    http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_36.gif
  • Nov 22, 2005, 06:53 PM
    s_cianci
    The one unforgivable sin is that of rejecting Christ. Doing so will condem you to hell for eternity with no chance of forgiveness. With this one exception, all other sins are forgiveable. Believing in Christ and acknowledging him as your Lord and Saviour and repenting of your sins is how you get your sins forgiven, whatever they may be.
  • Nov 22, 2005, 10:56 PM
    Katiy
    Integrity
    To thine own self be true. You can't pour coffee into the sand, and then remove it. Be careful what you do and say. You are accountable to yourself. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.
  • Nov 23, 2005, 03:41 PM
    Sage
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jduke44
    Almost all sin can be forgiven. The only unforgiveable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." (thanks Chery for the online bibles). I don't like to take one scripture because you can take it out of context but this one does speak for itself(for the most part). Brief reason is that by blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying no to him. By saying no you are cutting off the connection between you and Jesus who is the one who saves you. Of course, I gave a Christian point of viee which I am.

    Please give the meaing of the word "blaspheme" as used in the passage, thank you.
  • Nov 23, 2005, 05:16 PM
    jduke44
    Sage, the meaning of blaspheme in context to this passage is to rejection of, irreverence of, to speak evil of. Your welcome.
  • Nov 23, 2005, 09:07 PM
    Sage
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jduke44
    Sage, the meaning of blaspheme in context to this passage is to rejection of, irreverence of, to speak evil of. Your welcome.

    Thank you for your response. Would you agree that the idea of "rejection" would fit best when considering the ultimate rejection of the Holy Spirit and His working in the act of salvation

    or

    does the idea of "speaking evil of" fit the gestalt of the New Testament better? Im thnking that Yehoshua was saying two things at once.. 1 that if oyu speak evil of me you can be forgiven, but he who rejects the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven"

    I say this based on the gestalt of the entire NT for example when the Lord was on the cross He cried out "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" they had railed against Him, beat Him to pulp and finaly crucifed Him and He wanted them to be forgiven.

    However we also know from various passages that the believer is "sealed by the Holy Spirit" and or "filled with the Holy Spirit" and that no unbeliever has The Holy Spirit. So if we consider that there is no salvation without the sealing of the Spirit it would be reasonable to say that the ultimate or unforgivable sin is the rejection of the working of The Holy Spirit.

    what do you think?
  • Feb 6, 2006, 10:04 PM
    mssthang268
    okay I don't know if I'm stupid or just can't read properly, but after reading the question then the answers I still don't know what the unforgivable sin is .
    thank you
  • Feb 7, 2006, 05:03 AM
    JoeCanada76
    Denying God, Denying Jesus, Denying the Holy Ghost. By denying a connection by unbelief. I think that is what it is. Although there is one person that is saying suicide is an unforgivable sin because your throwing life back in Gods face. Meaning God gave you live and you decided to take it away prematurely and that is unforgivable because you are denying the gift of life that God gave you. It is all in the interpretation though.
  • Feb 15, 2006, 08:55 PM
    31pumpkin
    Yes, that's the one. Denying the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. Not suicide. Only God knows the heart.
  • Feb 16, 2006, 09:52 AM
    orange
    Okay maybe I sound dumb here, but I don't get the unforgivable part. By unforgivable does it mean that even if a person asks for forgiveness later on they can't get it? Like are they doomed or cursed no matter what? I'd never heard of this unforgivable sin, it's kind of interesting.
  • Feb 16, 2006, 09:55 AM
    JoeCanada76
    Denying God as the creater. Unbelief..
  • Feb 16, 2006, 09:56 AM
    JoeCanada76
    God is the only judge, the final judge. Your right orange if there was no forgiveness for a certain sin it sounds as if somebody is doomed. Is it actually Gods law, or human law to keep people in line?
  • Feb 16, 2006, 10:12 AM
    orange
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
    Denying God as the creater. Unbelief..

    Okay I understand that. But couldn't you change your mind later and believe in God again? Or is God going to say "sorry you had your chance... now scram!". That's the part I don't get. Or is it unforgivable because of the person themselves, that they never get to the point of changing their minds? Kind of like the people in the "grey town" in C.S. Lewis' book "The Great Divorce". Assuming anyone has read that, haha. It's one of my favorites. :)

    Actually it kind of reminds me of the old Jewish warning/sin not to speak the name of God, YHWH, out loud. It's supposed to bring down a curse on you or something... almost sounds like a remnant from an old tribal religion, that!
  • Feb 16, 2006, 10:18 AM
    JoeCanada76
    Maybe it is. I need to read up my bible again. I read it daily growing up and as a teenager but now that I am focused on other things I spend less time reading it. I do not always go by just what religion says. So I should investigate it ,but quite honestly I think a worse sin would be committing suicide because you are throwing your life away that God gave you as a gift. What do you think?
  • Feb 16, 2006, 10:47 AM
    orange
    Yes I agree, I think suicide is really wrong, and very tragic. But I personally think that most people who commit suicide are actually not in their "right mind" at the time. I mean usually they're very distressed, depressed, desperate, psychotic, etc, and therefore not thinking clearly. In those cases I believe they don't really want to die; they're just using death as a very extreme way to get out of what they perceive as a hopeless situation. I've talked to people who've made serious attempts at suicide, later on when they're well again, they're glad they didn't go through with it, because they weren't thinking rationally at the time... it wasn't "really them". I think that God would would make an allowance / have mercy on someone who committed suicide because they were very ill at the time. Humans usually have a strong will to live, so wanting to die seems quite abnormal to me.

    Now if someone was completely sane and balanced and committed suicide... that's a different story. That does seem like taking your life into your own hands and going against the laws of God, nature, etc. Jewish tradition actually holds that you must protect your life above all else, as it is sacred.
  • Feb 16, 2006, 12:14 PM
    DrJ
    I remember having this very discussion with my father when I was young(er). He still teaches in a Church to this day.

    What it comes down to is what is in your heart. Yes, it is true that denying Him is unforgivable. However, only He knows when you truly mean this or not. He knows what is in your heart.

    Once you have truly denied Him, you will never change your mind. Maybe because the conviction is that strong or maybe because God has removed His hand from your heart.

    If you DO change your mind then you must have held Him in your heart still... even if it was in the deepest recesses of your heart.

    At least that is what we had come up with :)

    The subject of suicide is interesting. Many people would say this is unforgivable because you cannot ask for forgiveness once you are dead... but can you ask for forgiveness of a Sin PRIOR to committing the Sin?

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