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    May 14, 2005, 06:19 PM
    I want to sing, but how?
    I am 13 years old but I want to start my singing career anytime now, if anyone knows how to start or someone who is an agent that can help me, please email me at >Removed<

    That would really help me a lot thanks
    Danielle :)
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    Jun 7, 2005, 12:31 PM
    Hey Danielle!
    I know how you feel. I want to become a singer, too, and I'm also 13 years old. I've looked at lots of sites, but they ALL want 14 and over!! (either 14 or 18 and older!! ) This really frustrates me, and I don't know what to do!

    Bethany J.
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    Jun 11, 2005, 01:18 PM
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    so what do we have to do? do we just sit here and wait for our 14th or 18th birthday? all i need is to know how to get an agent and audition for one

    i know no one likes hilary duff but i have watched lizzie mcguire ever since it came out and i love all of her music, she is my true idol. she hasnt done any porn or she hasnt had breast implants like britttany spears or lindsay lohan, even though i like them, their not my idols. all i want to do is get a singing carrer and live my life the way i want to

    thx though bethany

    Danielle C.
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    Feb 11, 2006, 08:02 PM
    I guess I'm too late with any kind of answer for these "girls in a hurry" - but I'll point out for any other girls with this "plan" that wanting to sing professionally has nothing to do with succeeding.
    Apart from talent and determination you would increase your chances by taking singing, dancing and acting lessons. Join a local amateur dramatic society, go to karaoke nights, if you start winning you are doing the right things.
    The bottom line is you need to WORK HARD, success didn't drop into Britney, Lindsey and Hilary's laps they had to fight for it.
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    Feb 11, 2006, 08:54 PM
    Ok, the main thing is that no one ( at least in the US) that are under 18 can sign a legal contract, so your parents have to be invovled in all contract and choices.

    Next there are a dozen people in every city in every nation that want to be a singer.

    What you need to do, decide first what type of singer you want to be opera, country western, rap or what.

    Next you want to take voice lessons to learn to control your notes, proper breathing and also how to read music.

    Next ( and at the same time) you will need to perform any and everywhere you can. Go out and sign at some of the nursing homes, if your music is OK for them, gangster rap may not work at most of them.
    Look up vetern groups and offer to intertain at various meetings.

    Now that signing will be free of charge and often you will sign for free or at a loss for several years just to get known. Also many areas have open mike nights and/or karoke nights ( similar system)

    You need to work on about 30 minutes to 60 minutes of songs that you know by heart and have the music to ( or can play the music to)
    It will have to be a music only CD or tape that you sign to.
    Practice talking to the people between the songs, practice in front of a mirror thinking of stage presence.

    Next after you get good, got your pitch and tone down great, got your breathing down good, you cut a demo CD at a recording studio. It can be from taped music as long as there is no copyright or if you have paid the fee to use the music.

    Most modern music has a copyright so if you use it professionally, you will have to pay the original artist for the right to use their music. If you record their music, you have to agree to pay a set fee per CD you make.

    With a CD in hand, you submit it to dozens and doznes of recording studios. You may never get one to use you.

    You will get a dozen offers for people to "record" you if you pay them a fee. One of those in Nashville will cut your record but you have to pay about 10,000 dollars. They offer to submit it to big name labels, but often can never tell you one perosn that actually made it big using them.

    Now you will often want to go to "showcases" these do cost often from 10 to 100 dollars, they normally do have various recording people there that are looking for new talent.

    So this is why your parents have to be invovled, getting into this will cost money, take a lot of time, They will have to drive you and drive you every few days somewhere to do something, and often this will cost gas, maybe eating out a meal and you will have to have back up tapes, a player you can sing to, a amp, mikes and so on.
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    Feb 12, 2006, 06:14 AM
    Gee Whiz Chuck, you mean you expect these girls to WORK for success?

    Next thing you'll be telling them to get an education...

    (anybody smell irony in the air?)
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    Feb 12, 2006, 07:54 AM
    Ok, I guess they could go out and rob a local store, shoot up a few store windows, get pregnant from a NFL football player, go to jail, and come out and become a famous rap singer. The more perfered method it seems today.


    My wife and I operate a music school, when we were in Atlanta we sponsored the John Lenon Bus and our school was highlighted on the CNN national news. We even had Star Search call us ( I did not believe it was them when they called the first time, like yeah, Star Search is calling me on the phone) but they called and specifcily asked us to send them our students for the tryouts. We also do a lot of coaching ( well did, only do a very few select people now adays) for people wanting to get into college music programs on scholarships, or even get in to the programs. Music programs are select and you have to be at the top of the game. My wife who is more music trained than I am, also helps people working on their Masters or Doctors in Music on the therory study. These have been private tutoring that she does with them.

    Most people don't think about it, but even top stars have dance and voice coaches that travel with them that help them keep at the top of their game.

    OK, I will admit sometimes it is blind luck, you are singing at the street corner and a music ex hears you and calls you in, but in most cases record labels don't even open the 1000's of CD;s they get sent. They trash them all, they only listen to those sent to them by their own scouts or by people they have professional dealings with.

    Only after a few years of singing for free, do you hire a booking agent, and then you will almost be singing for free, by the time you drive 200 miles, get a motel room and buy food, you often get paid less than it costs you to sing. But that is the life of a singer.
    And then about the best you will get is a medium carrerr singing at county fairs, small clubs and some mall openings. Very, very few ever make it rich.

    But a few do, and many who are on top today with one or two hits, are back in the small clubs in a few years, reliving the year or two of fame.

    Most people have never heard of Tommy Cash, he is ( was) Johnny Cash's bother, Tommy sounded a lot like Johnny, but never got famous, he played small clubs and county fairs and mostly that only because of his famous name.

    I don't want to destroy anyone's dream, but going from playing in your bedroom or shower to singing in public for money, has a lot of steps that most people don't want to do.
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    Feb 12, 2006, 10:36 AM
    I'm wittchoo on this. Here in Breda there is a very active music scene of all types, R&B, Jazz, fusion and pop (not much rap I'm relieved to say! ).
    We have a circle of friends who are pros and with few exceptions they struggle to make a living.
    The whole Star Search/Pop Idol phenomena thang has been very destructive In my opinion to the music business. The (false) idea than hair gel, straight teeth and dressing like a gangsta or a ho is all that's needed to make the big time leads too many of these kids into early disappointment.
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    Feb 12, 2006, 11:12 AM
    Not to say that the people who do the rap music don't have a tough road, there are dozens of wanta-be rappers. Even Chrsitian rap. And honestly after looking at some of the stupid songs we had in the 60's and 70's
    ( You can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd) comes to mind. And so much of our music in those years dealt with drugs and sex and anti police in our own ways. So while I don't like the content and the langauge or really any of the rap, I do understand that each generation and culture has its own music.
    It is a tough
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    Feb 12, 2006, 04:44 PM
    We have to differ. I see rap as talking to a drum machine, sure, rhyming on the fly is a neat trick but I doubt any of the lyrics will stand the test of time.
    I except Eminem from this as his lyrics are often witty and show an excellent vocabulary.
    For the rest? Anybody that earns millions but still wants to dress and act like a street thug is a poser and not a musician - and their homophobic and misogynistic slant are a total turn off.

    Each to his own!
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    Feb 25, 2007, 03:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Danielle
    i am 13 years old but i want to start my singing career anytime now, if anyone knows how to start or someone who is an agent that can help me, please email me at [email protected]

    That would really help me a lot thx
    Danielle :)
    I am also 13 years old and want to become a singer too. But my parents don't know it and I don't think they'd approve of it...

    Anyway, you could audition for a company. For example, Jype Entertainment. I think it is a Korean company but you can be of any nationality to audition. The audition fee is free and if they think you have talent and want you in their company, you will sign a contract with them and they will pay for all your training until you debut. Sorry if any of the information I'm telling you is wrong but this is what I read on either the website or was told by a person that seemed to be... Pretty darn sure of it. There are open auditions in the U.S. or you can send in an email audition. Jype Entertainment's most popular artist is Bi/Rain that in April of 2006 was listed by Time Magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.
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    Feb 25, 2007, 05:42 AM
    Don't do ANYTHING without discussing it with your parents first. There are a lot of sharks in "showbiz" preying on young hopefuls (especially girls)
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    May 25, 2007, 03:13 AM
    I too want to be a singer, I'm always on karaoke and get a good crowd ! Haha . I applied for the xfactor last month , 1 said yes and 1 said no which was dissapointing but the judges were 2 backstages girls younger than me ! I'm 21, I love singing everything ! If anyone could seriously help that'd b great ! Post a comment ! Id like to start in bars with a microphone, a stand, belting out great songs ! It's a dream, but if it could be reality, I'd b over the moon!
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    May 25, 2007, 03:19 AM
    Look guys, stuff doesn't just fall out of the sky into your lap.
    If you want to sing - SING! Go to karaoke, get a machine at home, take lessons, attend talent contests (local, not just Pop Idol level).
    Read the music papers, bands are ALWAYS looking for vocalists and musicians (if you can learn an instrument, even better).
    Work FOR FREE at local bars and clubs, be a roadie for working acts, talk to them, learn the reality behind the business - they do it every day and can give you guidance.

    If you really want to follow the dream you have to sweat and strain and face a LOT of setbacks - worry about your voice NOT your looks, practice, practice, practice..
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    May 25, 2007, 03:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Zipper
    Look guys, stuff doesn't just fall out of the sky into your lap.
    If you want to sing - SING! Go to karaoke, get a machine at home, take lessons, attend talent contests (local, not just Pop Idol level).
    Read the music papers, bands are ALWAYS looking for vocalists and musicians (if you can learn an instrument, even better).
    Work FOR FREE at local bars and clubs, be a roadie for working acts, talk to them, learn the reality behind the business - they do it every day and can give you guidance.

    If you really want to follow the dream you have to sweat and strain and face a LOT of setbacks - worry about your voice NOT your looks, practice, practice, practice..
    Of course I have practised, done karaoke and am not doing it 4 my looks ! And I know it doesn't fall into my lap, I'm not a starry eyed little girl, this site is all about asking for advice isn't it ? I appreciate what you're saying and I know it doesn't happen over night and there's a lot of work to be done, its just hard going about it when you haven't really been in that line of work before.
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    Jul 7, 2007, 11:02 AM
    You I would like to me and my friend we are trying tio hook up with prouducers but nothing is happengin so don't give uop just keep trying!! :rolleyes:
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    Jul 7, 2007, 11:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Danielle
    i am 13 years old but i want to start my singing career anytime now, if anyone knows how to start or someone who is an agent that can help me, please email me at [email protected]

    That would really help me a lot thx
    Danielle :)
    You I would love to famious ang sing but things don't come out of the sky
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    Jul 8, 2007, 01:53 PM
    Okay guys, I'm just trying to inject some realism here. FIRST you have to have talent, SECOND, it doesn't hurt to look good, THIRD. You have to be prepared to work HARD to get anywhere. Pop Idol is all very well, but you'll find that these "kids" have been singing semi-pro or totally professional for years.
    Just follow your dream - but if you do karaoke and get booed off, if you sing at a function (wqedding, bar mitzvah, whatever) and the crowd just keep talking, and totally ignore you, sometimes you have to take there hint that you don't have that SPECIAL something.
    Having a dream is good, but having a job is better.
    I personally know a young lady with a glorious voice, nice looking too, been in the business for many years, can't catch a break, now she is working 3 days a week in a dress shop to make ends meet - and she is REALLY talented.
    Don't sign anything, always take documents away to check, if they won't let you take them - RUN A MILE!!

    Good luck.
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    Feb 18, 2010, 01:57 AM
    Fr_Chuck and Zipper have a very good point. I am 14 and at a very young age (maybe 7) English (the reading, spelling, etc) was very hard for me. I thought at that time that I would never succeed (there have been many time where I have felt like this). But I wanted to learn English SOO bad that I had my mom buy me "hooked on phonics" and books and I went over to a teachers house during the summer for hours so that I could try to do better. It didn't take weeks, or even months to get better, in fact, it took a few years. (And I remember thinking that I should just quit because I would not get better. I should just quit because it wasn't happening right away, etc.) But I didn’t and now I am the best in my class always getting "A's" without even trying to. And so I guess what I am trying to say is that even when it seems the hardest and even if you weren't born with what you want or people keep saying that you can't do it. You got to understand that if you believe in yourself, stay persistent (never give up), and if you really want something BAD then you HAVE (and do I mean HAVE!) to work for it. Skill and success does not grow on trees. I for one want to be a singer (for a secondary job and I am looking for a singing teacher right now to improve my skills). I myself live by the mottos of persistent, believing in you, be grateful for what you have and more. If I were you kid, I would not worry about singing right now. I think I would just enjoy life and sing for fun. Because who knows if you might change your mind later.

    Here are some good quotes:

    It's kind of fun to do the impossible!" - Walt Disney (This is in reference of his initial plans to build Walt Disney World when he encountered so many people who thought it would never happen)

    "When you believe in a thing, believe in it all the way, implicitly and unquestionable." - Walt Disney

    “All the adversity I've had in my life, all my troubles and obstacles, have strengthened me... You may not realize it when it happens, but a kick in the teeth may be the best thing in the world for you.” - Walt Disney

    "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." - Walt Disney


    “Persistence is the twin sister of excellence. One is a matter of quality; the other, a matter of time.” - Unknown

    I hope you get what you want! :)
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    Feb 18, 2010, 01:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by MsJKR View Post
    Fr_Chuck and Zipper have a very good point. I am 14 and at a very young age (maybe 7) English (the reading, spelling, etc) was very hard for me. I thought at that time that I would never succeed (there have been many time where I have felt like this). But I wanted to learn English SOO bad that I had my mom buy me "hooked on phonics" and books and I went over to a teachers house during the summer for hours so that I could try to do better. It didn't take weeks, or even months to get better, in fact, it took a few years. (And I remember thinking that I should just quit because I would not get better. I should just quit because it wasn't happening right away, etc.) But I didn’t and now I am the best in my class always getting "A's" without even trying to. And so I guess what I am trying to say is that even when it seems the hardest and even if you weren't born with what you want or people keep saying that you can't do it. You got to understand that if you believe in yourself, stay persistent (never give up), and if you really want something BAD then you HAVE (and do I mean HAVE!) to work for it. Skill and success does not grow on trees. I for one want to be a singer (for a secondary job and I am looking for a singing teacher right now to improve my skills). I myself live by the mottos of persistent, believing in you, be grateful for what you have and more. If I were you kid, I would not worry about singing right now. I think I would just enjoy life and sing for fun. Because who knows if you might change your mind later.

    Here are some good quotes:

    It's kind of fun to do the impossible!" - Walt Disney (This is in reference of his initial plans to build Walt Disney World when he encountered so many people who thought it would never happen)

    "When you believe in a thing, believe in it all the way, implicitly and unquestionable." - Walt Disney

    “All the adversity I've had in my life, all my troubles and obstacles, have strengthened me... You may not realize it when it happens, but a kick in the teeth may be the best thing in the world for you.” - Walt Disney

    "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." - Walt Disney


    “Persistence is the twin sister of excellence. One is a matter of quality; the other, a matter of time.” - Unknown

    I hope you get what you want! :)
    Sorry, I was sleepy when I wrote that. But I do stand by every word in it. I would start a Youtube account (so you can get recognized by people). And sing everywhere! I don't mean to sing in the stores but in parks, concerts (with your favorite song artist), home, and anywhere else. And like I keep saying and Fr_Chuck and Zipper you got to WORK, WORK, WORK, and WORK for it. Even when your friends are playing (or having a party or something) you've got to restrain yourself and just keep working (but of course that doesn't mean you can't have fun once in a while). Because in order to succeed (in anything), you have to really want something and you have to believe that you can get it. And you have to remember that even when everyone tells you to stop doing it because you won't get it (which I wouldn't think that it would happen with you yet), just remember that you will - but only if you believe you will, 'cause otherwise it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And stay persistent! That is one of the main rules to follow if you want to succeed in anything (whether it be, singing, dancing, reading, jump roping, being a good athlete, or anything). Trust me - as you've seen in the earlier quote, I know about this. Listen to Fr_Chuck and Zipper and everyone else like me. Because even if you think we are being mean or telling you a ‘lie’. We actually are telling you a big truth. Like (I think it was Zipper) but he (or a she whatever one you may be! :)) said that Britney Spears and Hillary Duff and other people were not born with what they had today. They had to struggle in order to achieve. Even that stupid Miley Cyrus (aka Hannah Montana) girl wasn't born with (if I may say so myself) her ugly voice and face but she worked for it. You want it? You really care to have it? And you know there will be a lot of struggles and things that seem unfair to you? If you do then you need to listen to what other people tell you and go with it. You need to understand that at your age (and even mine) life is going to be harder on us (and people that we love will seem to turn against us but that is not so). I’m not going to lecture. I’ve done too much already. But I hope that you do really understand the meaning of “work” and all that everyone has told you. Because this skill and job you want is not easy to achieve (even with people born with it)

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