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    May 10, 2007, 07:59 AM
    Bush's Idealogues
    What does President Bush believe?
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    May 10, 2007, 08:00 AM
    In screwing the American public as much as he can
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    May 10, 2007, 08:06 AM
    President Bush thinks he has a direct line to God.
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    May 10, 2007, 09:23 AM
    Hello dj:

    President Bush believes the Constitution is an impediment to his power, and he's willing to destroy it. He's done more damage to the republic than ANY president has - ever!

    excon
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    May 10, 2007, 09:27 AM
    President Bush he believes that he can do no wrong... Of course the American people know otherwise...
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    May 10, 2007, 09:40 AM
    Cowboy Bush doesn't like the fact there are rules even for the president, He should be impeached. Bending the rule to suit himself is what he is about. He doesn't care the american people just what he can do to make the USA, canada, mexico all one country, (North American Union).

    He is about how much money he can spend around the world, and the hell with the American people to promote his image.

    His image is very tarnished and I don't what to clean it up for him.
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    May 10, 2007, 10:48 AM
    Looking from outside the country I may see things without the usual Democrat/Rebublican prejudices.
    I see President Bush as someone that was put in an impossible situation. No matter whether you agree with the war in Iraq or not he had virtually no way to not get the military involved.
    The reporting from the media in both your country and in Canada is so narrow minded and politically one sided they have the American army as buffoons running around not knowing what is going on.
    The press reports that President Bush is misleading the people but in reality, honesty in Politics can be the most damaging positive attribute a politician can have.
    Unlike his predecessor that brought misleading to an art form President Bush gives the answers that are politically damaging but in the best interest of the American people.
    We lost a Prime Minister in Canada a few years a go when he said he was going to raise gas taxes by 19cents a gallon. He was replaced by a dishonest politician that made 19 cents look like a drop in the bucket.
    There is a separate question stream that asks about JFK. I think they compare in many ways in style. Both believe in individual right over idealogue, waging war when and only when necessary. Mistakes however are overlooked in the press when speaking of President Kennedy. That is not to say mistakes where made in either Presidency but a Monday morning quarterbacksare always right when there advice or criticism can not be tested.
    The aftermath of the Cuba invasion is still felt throughout the America's.
    History will reflect on President Bush in a much more favourable light than the current treatment he receives from the press. Unfortunately too many voters will be swayed by this in the next election. Report a misleading or ficticous fact often enough and people will believe.
    Not sure what kind of information you are trying to collect about either President Kennedy or President Bush but if your just looking to confirm your own opinion you will find lots of backers on both sides.
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    May 10, 2007, 12:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Ken 297
    looking from outside the country I may see things without the usual Democrat/Rebublican prejudices.
    It is interesting to see a non-US perspective, but I disagree with a lot of what you are saying.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ken 297
    I see President Bush as someone that was put in an impossible situation. No matter whether you agree with the war in Iraq or not he had virtually no way to not get the military involved.
    Bush was, in no way, forced to take military action in Iraq. The facts of the matter is that the rationale for invading Iraq were either manufactured or misread. If Bush was backed into a corner its because he painted himself there. My personal belief is Bush wanted this war for reasons of ego and for his cronies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken 297
    The reporting from the media in both your country and in Canada is so narrow minded and politically one sided they have the American army as buffoons running around not knowing what is going on.
    I also disagree about the portrayal of US troops. While there has been some criticism of the war planning, US media has been nothing but supportive to the rank and file.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken 297
    The press reports that President Bush is misleading the people but in reality, honesty in Politics can be the most damaging positive attribute a politician can have.
    Unlike his predecessor that brought misleading to an art form President Bush gives the answers that are politically damaging but in the best interest of the American people.
    Excuse me? Yes, honest politician is more often an oxymoron, but Bush giving answer that are in the best interests of the people? Are you just from a different country or a different planet? Its one thing to not be honest, its another thing to downright lie. If Bush isn't lying to the American People, then its because his advisros are lying to him and he believes them.

    As for Clinton, he doesn't hold a candle to Bush for lying to the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken 297
    There is a seperate question stream that asks about JFK. I think they compare in many ways in style. Both believe in individual right over idealogue, waging war when and only when necessary. Mistakes however are overlooked in the press when speaking of President Kennedy. That is not to say mistakes where made in either Presidency but a Monday morning quarterbacksare always right when there advice or critisism can not be tested.
    Where do you get the idea Bush believes in individual right? Bush has done more to damage the rights of Americans then anyone since King George III.
    Bush has subverted the Constitution in several ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken 297
    The aftermath of the Cuba invasion is still felt throughout the America's. History will reflect on President Bush in a much more favourable light than the current treatment he receives from the press. Unfortunately too many voters will be swayed by this in the next election. Report a misleading or ficticous fact often enough and people will believe.
    Bush will go down in history as one of the worst, if not THE worst president in our history. If anything, as more facts come to light about his abuses, his rep will get worse. The only things that have saved him from impeachment are the prospect of Cheney in the Oval Office and the Republican dominated Congress. The Democrats figure it will take two years to get an impeachment through so why bother.
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    May 10, 2007, 05:17 PM
    Well I'll give you he is your worst President since Clinton.
    BTW what rights of Americans have been taken away?
    I remember President Clinton trying to nationalize 10% of the US economy.
    Try going down the slippery slope of socialism and see what happens to your rights.
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    May 10, 2007, 05:39 PM
    It is really amazing how clueless people are in the U.S. and how quickly the forgot about 9/11. I am not saying the Bush is perfect or even the greatest President for he has made some mistakes with policies. What I am glad of was he was the President when we where attacked. This time we may have entered Iraq without the full truth (ie WMD) but two things are important. We stopped the genocide for the Iraqi people and we took the conflict with the fundamentalist away from the U.S. If it was not us taking the fight to the region these radicals are from then it would be here within our borders.
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    May 10, 2007, 05:44 PM
    Are you kidding? Illegal wiretaps for one. There have been several other instances of disregard for the Constitution.

    In the hindsight of history, I believe Clinton will come out very well. Its unfortunate that Clinton's libido over shadowed all the good he did.
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    May 10, 2007, 05:52 PM
    Well, if you are not a terrorist or a criminal then what are you concerned about. Even if you where a criminal (US Citizen) then the wiretapping would not affect you because it only focused on terrorism and if something outside of that was discovered it would be dropped in our court system. Also, how do you think they wiretape. It is a computer that only keys on specific words to known areas of interest. Only when it meets a specific criteria does a human listen. So call the adult 800 number will be ignored.
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    May 10, 2007, 05:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
    It is really amazing how clueless people are in the U.S. and how quickly the forgot about 9/11. I am not saying the Bush is perfect or even the greatest President for he has made some mistakes with policies. What I am glad of was he was the President when we where attacked. This time we may have entered Iraq without the full truth (ie WMD) but two things are important. We stopped the genocide for the Iraqi people and we took the conflict with the fundamentalist away from the U.S. If it was not us taking the fight to the region these radicals are from then it would be here within our borders.
    Excuse me, but I find it very hard to forget about 9/11. You see I was in the South Tower that morning. And no, I am not glad that he was president then. I will never be glad that Bush was president.

    And for the record, I totally support our actions in Afghanistan. But Iraq was not justified in any way. There has been no proof that Sadaam had links to Al Qaeda. Nor is there any proof we have forestalled attacks on the US. So what you are saying is that its OK to send our trrops to Iraq and have them die there then trying to defend our borders? Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
    Well, if you are not a terrorist or a criminal then what are you concerned about. Even if you where a criminal (US Citizen) then the wiretapping would not affect you becuase it only focused on terrorism and if something outside of that was discovered it would be dropped in our court system. Also, how do you think they wiretape. It is a computer that only keys on specific words to known areas of interest. Only when it meets a specific criteria does a human listen. So call the adult 800 number will be ignored.
    You miss the point. The point is the disregard for the Constitution. I've been stopped and had my bag checked going through Penn Station. I don't object because that is legal and because I have nothing to hide. But I object to breaking the law in the name of allegedly protecting our rights. Can't you see the paradox of violating our rights to protect them?

    NO SIR! Not I. I cherish our freedoms, our rights. I am aware that those rights and freedoms make us vulnerable. But I would rather be vulnerable than have my rights constrained.
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    May 10, 2007, 06:00 PM
    It is strange that all of the sudden you where involved in 9/11 (I don't believe) but I have spent 20 years serving in the Navy have been involved in the Libyan conflict, 1st Gulf war, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and the current war. So the answer is an astonishly "YES".
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    May 10, 2007, 06:06 PM
    RetiredNavy disagrees: Listen to someone from Canada where they have a failing medical system and 50% tax rate.
    a) ad hominem attack makes you look like you have no counter-argument whatsoever (which you do not seem to have)
    b) I didn't make up that line about Bush:
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    May 10, 2007, 06:16 PM
    The comment is not an attack but a comment of someone speaking of a the President of the U.S. when they themselves are not a citizen of the U.S. I did not make an attack of your Queen. the Royal Family ,etc.
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    May 10, 2007, 06:20 PM
    I voted for GWB twice; the first time because I could not stomach ALGOR, the inventor of the internet; the second time because I don't consider Swift Boat Kerry to be an honorable man. I am sorely disappointed in the performance of GWB. His main failure was not listening to Colin Powell, and trying to do Iraq on the cheap (without sufficient forces). His goal to establish a bastion of freedom in a part of the world that seems mired in the 8th century was noble, if poorly executed. In 76 I voted for Carter because I thought him to be a man of character. He proved to be sadly incompetent, but still a good man. The vilification of GWB and his MOTIVES is sad, to say the least. Do you remember FDR who locked up Japanese and German US citizens in WWII? If we had CNN and the foreign affairs experts from Hollywood calling the plays after D-Day, the US would have folded their tent as soon as the carnage at Normandy was aired. If I had to pick the next president, I would have to go with Joe Biden, because he seems to offer the only realistic solution to the mess that Iraq has become.
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    May 10, 2007, 07:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
    It is strange that all of the sudden you where involved in 9/11 (I dont believe) but I have spent 20 years serving in the Navy have been involved in the Libyan conflict, 1st Gulf war, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and the current war. So the answer is an astonishly "YES".
    No its NOT all of a sudden. There was no need for me to mention it before. I don't talk about it much, but people who have known me for a while and knew me then know it's the truth.

    There is nothing I can offer to prove it for you. I could tell you the company I work for (I'm still with them) and I could relate exactly what happened to me, but I doubt if that will convince you since you have indicated a bias.

    I don't have any reason to doubt you, in fact your blind support for Dubya, is typical of those who served in the military.

    I'm guessing your Yes answer is to sacrificing our military people rather then defending our borders. You are entitled to feel that way, just as I would rather have put our efforts into in dealing with the reality rather then some imagined threat. I would rather not have sacrificed the young men and women who serve in the military to protect a people that don't like us and don't want us.
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    May 10, 2007, 07:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
    Even if you where a criminal (US Citizen) then the wiretapping would not affect you becuase it only focused on terrorism and if something outside of that was discovered it would be dropped in our court system.
    Hello Retired:

    The above presumes you believe him. I don't - not for a minute. I think they're going to listen to anyone they damn well please.

    You believe him, huh? You were in Iraq? So, how many WMD's did you find?

    excon

    PS> Not that it matters, but for your information I spilled a few quarts of my blood in the Vietnamese dirt.
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    May 10, 2007, 07:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon

    PS> Not that it matters, but for your information I spilled a few quarts of my blood in the Vietnamese dirt.
    He probably won't believe you. Too convenient. ;)

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