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    #21

    Jan 14, 2023, 03:19 PM
    5 more docs were found in his Wilmington home . And this is with his staff looking for them . The total is now 24 and growing . They were found Thursday but not revealed until this morning .

    The deflecting dodge from now on will be that they are not going to comment on an ongoing investigation and they defer to the Justice Dept. Information that the House Committee needs will be blocked because it it part of the special council's investigation
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    Jan 14, 2023, 04:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The deflecting dodge from now on
    What's the deflecting dodge for Trump?
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    #23

    Jan 15, 2023, 05:33 AM
    Trump can't help himself from commenting .

    Not holding my breath to see docs spread out on the floor from Quid's garage



    Meanwhile the compliant press is almost in unison doing comparisons of the 2 cases to emphasize that in Quid's case it aint no biggie .

    Opinion | Biden’s Documents Case Isn’t Similar to Trump’s. It’s Really Like Hillary’s. - POLITICO

    Classified Documents: The Crucial Difference Between Biden and Trump - Bloomberg

    Classified documents cases should worry Trump more than Biden (msnbc.com)

    Opinion: Why Biden's documents call for a special counsel | CNN

    Biden's classified document case is nothing like Trump's (usatoday.com)

    Biden's classified documents scandal isn't as bad as Trump's. But it's still bad. (msnbc.com)
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    Jan 15, 2023, 06:27 AM
    The liberal media is spreading their version of "Biden tells baby fibs." But even in that regard they don't agree. USAToday claimed the Biden case was "nothing like" the Trump case, while MSNBC alleged the Biden case was bad but not as bad as Trump's. This sickening support for Biden will continue on in a number of ways.
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    #25

    Jan 17, 2023, 03:53 AM
    More lies

    White House says there are no visitor logs of Clueless' Delaware home . He spends about a quarter of his time there .He is there most weekends. It is not possible that Secret Service was allowing visitors to come and go without maintaining a visitor's log or doing extensive vetting of who was there .

    White House says there are no visitors logs for Biden's Delaware home (nbcnews.com)

    Another question needing answers

    The DOJ is investigating the Quid's possession of classified documents ;some of which have been confirmed as top secret . Some were found in the same home where Hunter Biden lives . He is also under Federal investigation.
    How do they permit Quid's lawyers ;who have already been confirmed to not have clearance ,to do the search for the docs ?

    Document discovery spotlights Biden's frequent use of Wilmington home - The Washington Post

    Hunter Biden lived at Delaware home where classified docs were kept (nypost.com)

    More classified documents found at Biden's home by lawyers - ABC News (go.com)
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    Jan 17, 2023, 05:38 AM
    Biden should get up every morning and thank God that his last name is not "Trump".
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    Jan 17, 2023, 06:19 AM
    I can't emphasis enough how the use of his lawyers instead of DOJ officers turns this into a coverup attempt. This is Evita all over again .Using his lawyers allows him to claim attorney client privilege.

    Chain of custody is critical in an investigation .That was broken when his lawyers started handling the docs.At Mar a Lago the FBI meticulously documented and photographed the docs and the surrounding areas . That is not happening .It is like improper handling of evidence at a crime scene. Who will be witnesses ? Quid's lawyers when they should also be under criminal investigation ?

    They have been involved since the initial discovery in November . Timeline of discovery is November ;December 20; and January 11 . Were they searching all this time ? What else did they find ?


    One thing is definite . Quid's claims of 'inadvertent ' is clearly a lie.
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    Jan 17, 2023, 06:31 AM
    You obsess over Biden while silent about Trump - the far more serious actual attempt to steal classified documents.
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    Jan 17, 2023, 06:34 AM
    How can we know what Biden's attorneys found and then hid? Why has the FBI not served a search warrant and searched the entire premises?

    You obsess over Biden while silent about Trump
    Pot once again speaks to Kettle.

    the far more serious actual attempt to steal classified documents.
    Yep, no bias at work here.
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    Jan 17, 2023, 06:47 AM
    There was no steal in Trump's case . The National Archives knew they were there and was negotiating which docs Trump could keep. They and the FBI requested the docs be kept in a locked secured storage closet ,and Trump complied . In addition Secret Service was constantly present there.

    The Quid docs have been stashed away since 2016 .That is 6 years with no accountability . The docs have been moved around a number of times . So there is a big difference between the 2 cases.
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    #31

    Jan 17, 2023, 07:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    There was no steal in Trump's case
    Dream on. But first, educate yourself on ALL the facts re Trump's theft - not just FOX and other far right sites.
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    Jan 17, 2023, 07:42 AM
    Dream on. But first, educate yourself on ALL the facts re Trump's theft - not just FOX and other far right sites.
    If you know about these issues, then why don't you put it forward to be seen? Tom always documents his claims well, so there is no need to just take his word for it. You need to do likewise.
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    Jan 17, 2023, 07:46 AM
    and the closest I ever come to a so called 'far right site' is Wall Street Journal. I rarely use Fox
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    Jan 17, 2023, 07:55 AM
    It should be a simple matter for Athos to simply say, "This is why I refer to Trump having stolen the classified material." I don't expect it to happen, but we'll see. It would be nice if I was wrong with my expectation.
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    #35

    Jan 17, 2023, 05:46 PM
    The FBI decided to trust Quid's lawyers to not act in his interests .

    Justice Department Considered but Rejected Role in Biden Documents Search - WSJ




    Hunter was paying the Big Guy $50,000 /month rent to live in the Delaware home . Sounds like money laundering to me . This was basically the same income he was getting from Burisma .




    Hunter Biden Paid $49,910 In Monthly Rent While Living At President Joe Biden's Delaware Home Where Classified Documents Were Stored, Document Reveals (msn.com)

    Quid listed rental income of $19800 in all of 2017 and none in 2018 .
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    #36

    Jan 18, 2023, 03:51 PM
    How is this possible?

    After Mr. Biden’s lawyers discovered documents marked as classified dating from his term as vice president at an office he used at a Washington-based think tank on Nov. 2, the Justice Department opened an inquiry into why and how they got there. Mr. Biden’s legal team prepared to search his other properties for any similar documents, and discussed with the Justice Department the prospect of having FBI agents present while Mr. Biden’s lawyers conducted the additional searches.
    Instead, the two sides agreed that Mr. Biden’s personal attorneys would inspect the homes, notify the Justice Department as soon as they identified any other potentially classified records, and arrange for law-enforcement authorities to take them.
    Justice Department Considered but Rejected Role in Biden Documents Search - WSJ
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    Jan 18, 2023, 04:11 PM
    I'm sure it was just coincidence that the story did not break prior to the midterms. It is also beyond incredible that attorneys who do not have clearance for classified docs were the ones conducting the search for documents they were not supposed to see.
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    Jan 18, 2023, 04:40 PM
    Bottom line . Quids lawyers work in Quid's interests . Can they give testimony against their client ? The justice system is broken
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    Jan 22, 2023, 03:22 AM
    More illegally held classified docs were found at Quid's residence in Wimington Delaware
    Some of the docs date back to the time he was in the Senate.

    . His lawyers scrubbed the home ;and then notified the DOJ and offered to have the DOJ inspect the home. The FBI "found " the docs during search. This is what is called fully cooperating with the investigation .

    Joseph D. Fitzpatrick, assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, told NBC News: "I can confirm that the FBI on Friday executed a planned, consensual search of the President's residence in Wilmington, Delaware."
    [Quid's personal lawyer] "Bauer, in his statement Saturday said that the president's legal team offered to provide "prompt access" to Biden's private residence "to allow DOJ to conduct a search of the entire premises for potential vice-presidential records and potential classified material."

    FBI finds more classified documents in search of Biden home in Delaware (msn.com)Prompt access ??????

    The first batch of " a small number "of classified records was found November 2 . We are now into the 11th week since they were found .

    Baur added
    "DOJ had full access to the President’s home, including personally handwritten notes, files, papers, binders, memorabilia, to-do lists, schedules, and reminders going back decades."

    This is a search that should've happened 11 weeks ago .Then it would've been a prompt search. Now?? it is more the equivalence of Evita shredding docs and scrubbing her server where copies of classified docs and communications were illegally BleachBit cleansed ;after the person who did it admitted to the FBI that “he was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton’s e-mail data on the PRN Server.”

    On Jan. 12, Jean-Pierre told reporters during a press conference that a search of President Biden's Wilmington residence was "completed" and that the matter is "in the hands of the special counsel" before telling reporters they "should assume it has been completed, yes."
    Later in the press conference, Karine-Pierre reaffirmed "the search is complete."
    But, additional documents were found later that night and again on Friday.
    This FBI "search" occurred on Friday after days of criticism of the fact that Garland was allowing the President's lawyers do the work of FBI investigators .


    "As noted in the Statement we released on January 14, we have attempted to balance the importance of public transparency where appropriate with the established norms and limitations necessary to protect the investigation's integrity."
    "We will continue to do so throughout the course of our cooperation with DOJ," Bauer said.
    Sauber, Biden's White House lawyer, in his own statement, said, "The President and his team are working swiftly to ensure DOJ and the Special Counsel have what they need to conduct a thorough review."
    "Since the beginning, the President has been committed to handling this responsibly because he takes this seriously," Sauber said.


    Monday's presser by KJP ought to be a hoot . I have a great idea . She never comments without first referencing a big binder she keeps on the podium. What she should do is make print copies and distribute them to the press corp. Then when she is asked a question she could say 'refer to page 43' .
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    Jan 23, 2023, 06:52 AM
    Word of caution to Quid. Bob Baur ;his personal attorney does not have Quid as his first loyalty . He is and has been a long time apparatchik of the emperor's organization Bauer served as general counsel to the DNC and as personal lawyer to the emperor during the 2008 campaign. .He later went in and out of government and the law firm of Perkins Coie (you remember them as the firm that retained Fusion GPS to create the fictional Steele dossier. )
    The emperor dispatched him to Hawaii to produce his long form birth certificate
    Then the emperor went on nation TV to say that he had more important things to do. A week later OBL was killed in a US Special Forces raid and the birther controversy was over .
    He was involved in solving the phony birther controversy by first working to get a lawsuit against the emperor dismissed .

    The point is not to dredge up the phony birther controversy again. The point is to show that Bauer has mixed loyalties at best .

    There are rumors that Michelle Obama will throw her hat in the ring in 2024 . How this document drama plays out is mostly in his hands at this point. He could easily turn on Quid to help clear the field for Michelle.

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