[jlisenbe]

And again.

"You say you've read it (the John 3 passage), but you have not accepted and loved and believed it. Do that first, and then we can talk more."

Or you can choose to reject it, but you need to make up your mind before we can continue.

A botanist discovers a beautiful new variety of orchid on an uninhabited island. She writes a lengthy desctiption of the flower with its many varied colors. She sends it to a friend who responds with how beautiful the blue flower must be. "How can you consider the flower to be blue?" the botanist writes back. "Didn't you read my description of the many colors?" "It's simple," replied her friend. "I love blue, so I just ignore your many statements describing the other colors."

Reminds me of the approach to the Bible employed by some here.

[Wondergirl]

Reminds me of the approach to the Bible employed by some here.

If you only knew...

[jlisenbe]

If you only knew...

I think unfortunately for you, I do. It's why you are so resistant to responding to simple, straightforward requests like these.

"You say you've read it (the John 3 passage), but you have not accepted and loved and believed it. Do that first, and then we can talk more."

Or you can choose to reject it, but you need to make up your mind before we can continue.

[Wondergirl]

Or you can choose to reject it, but you need to make up your mind before we can continue.

My mind has been made up since I was three days old.

I think unfortunately for you, I do. It's why you are so resistant to responding to simple, straightforward requests like these.

Resistant to your gotcha requests?

[jlisenbe]

My mind has been made up since I was three days old.

So confident that you are afraid to express it here. Sad.

[Wondergirl]

So confident that you are afraid to express it here. Sad.

That makes absolutely no sense. Express what?

[jlisenbe]

"You say you've read it (the John 3 passage), but you have not accepted and loved and believed it. Do that first, and then we can talk more."

Or you can choose to reject it, but you need to make up your mind before we can continue.

[Wondergirl]

I was born again when I received the gift of Holy Baptism at the age of three days, was raised by my parents in the Christian faith, have been richly blessed and embraced by God, and will spend eternity with my Savior, Jesus Christ. God and I have an ongoing conversation with my wonderful younger son popping in with encouragements for me. Want me to recite the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene Creed or the Athanasian Creed?

[jlisenbe]

I don't think you will like those creeds. They're too similar to the Bible.

Nicene Creed. "He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father, to judge the living and the dead."

Apostle's Creed. "From thence he shall come to judge the quick (living) and the dead."

Athanasian Creed. "Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly."

"Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ."

"from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved."

[Wondergirl]

And you know the origins and purposes of those creeds?

[jlisenbe]

You mean of the creeds you don't believe?

[Wondergirl]

You mean of the creeds you don't believe?

Only God can judge, according to those creeds.

[jlisenbe]

They are clear that Jesus will judge. But at least you now agree that judgment will happen. Progress!!

[Wondergirl]

...according to those creeds, she said again, a bit louder.

[jlisenbe]

Read...the...text...more...slowly.

I will quote much of the Athanasian Creed for your benefit. The subject, as in all three passages I posted for you, is clearly Jesus.

For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead.

[Wondergirl]

Give it up, JL. You knoweth not what you do.

[jlisenbe]

I knoweth how to read. You should try it. It is much better than playing fast and loose with the truth as you are doing now.

[jlisenbe]

And then, of course, there is still this.


"You say you've read it (the John 3 passage), but you have not accepted and loved and believed it. Do that first, and then we can talk more."

Or you can choose to reject it, but you need to make up your mind before we can continue.

[Wondergirl]

And then, of course, there is still this.


"You say you've read it (the John 3 passage), but you have not accepted and loved and believed it. Do that first, and then we can talk more."

Or you can choose to reject it, but you need to make up your mind before we can continue.

Good grief!!! You are obsessed -- or possessed!

No matter what I say, you find fault with it.

[jlisenbe]

The problem does not lie with what you've said in response to that inquiry. The problem is with your non-response, a fearful withholding of a decision. Why is that?