[Wondergirl]

But the seeds are also alive. When you eat them, they die. Shame!!

No, the seeds that are eaten travel thru the digestive system and are eventually expelled to take root. Adam and Eve didn't eat the fruit seeds; they were thrown away and became the beginnings of new plants.

Do you eat a seed-filled apple core, watermelon seeds, the mesh full of seeds in the middle of a squash?

How do you know they did not eat meat?

Because, before the Fall, there was no death.

[jlisenbe]

No, the seeds that are eaten travel thru the digestive system and are eventually expelled to take root.

Good grief I am so glad I don't live in your neighborhood. I can only imagine. Peas, carrots, and beans are chewed up and swallowed except, I guess, at your house.

Because, before the Fall, there was no death.

Why do you say that?

[Wondergirl]

WG: Because, before the Fall, there was no death.

Why do you say that?

You're being silly, right?

[jlisenbe]

No. Why do you say that?

[Wondergirl]

No. Why do you say that?

That was the punishment of the Fall, Death. Before the Fall, everything was wonderful, perfect.

[jlisenbe]

The death spoken of was only for man and was spiritual death.

[Wondergirl]

The death spoken of was only for man and was spiritual death.

You're kidding, right? Why then have living things, in particular humans, died since the Fall?

Why is there physical death?

[jlisenbe]

I thought this reply by DW was good.

What happens to a carrot when you pull it up and eat it? Or a turnip? What happens to the grain plants when you harvest the seeds?

They die. "No death" is based on a misinterpretation of Romans 5:12. Even though "death came to all MEN" makes it clear he's only talking about human death, there are those who think it's talking about every living thing.

They all forget that plants are living things, too.

You're kidding, right? Why then have living things, in particular humans, died since the Fall?

How do you know they did not die before the fall? Plants, for instance, died upon being eaten. The living cells of tree limbs died and decomposed when they fell off of trees. There was plenty of death.

[Wondergirl]

How do you know they did not die before the fall? Plants, for instance, died upon being eaten. The living cells of tree limbs died and decomposed when they fell off of trees. There was plenty of death.

I have NEVER been taught that EVER!!!

Both spiritual death and physical death are the consequences of Adam’s fall.

[jlisenbe]

You’ve never been taught that eating an organism causes its death?

I don’t know of any reason to agree with your second statement.

[Wondergirl]

You’ve never been taught that eating an organism causes its death?

There ya go, twisting what I said.

I said --
There. Was. No. Death. Before. The. Fall.

Regarding plants --
Unlike animals and humans, plants are never described in the.Bible as being “living creatures” (nephesh chayyah).

I don’t know of any reason to agree with your second statement.

It's an allegory anyway. Go back to whatever you were doing before posting here.

[jlisenbe]

Why is it you so easily get angry when your statements are questioned? So sensitive!

Come to think of it, that seems true of all the liberals on this site.

[Wondergirl]

Why is it you so easily get angry when your statements are questioned? So sensitive!

Come to think of it, that seems true of all the liberals on this site.

I'm laughing! I do not get angry at ANYone. Bring angry isn't in my genes.

If I disagree with you, I must be angry. I get it.

[jlisenbe]

If you say this (Go back to whatever you were doing before posting here.) when you are happy, then I'd hate to see you when you are mad! Have you always had problems with simply being honest?

If I disagree with you, I must be angry. I get it.

Nah. When you just make it up as you go along, as you do, you never really get it.

Regarding plants --
Unlike animals and humans, plants are never described in the.Bible as being “living creatures” (nephesh chayyah).

First you say it is mere allegory, and then you want to get into details. At any rate, plants are unquestionably living organisms, so there you are. There was death before the fall.

Go back to what DW said earlier. Read it until you understand it, then come back.

[Wondergirl]

She laughed hysterically. It certainly (again) didn't take much to propel you into sarcasm, nastiness, and going off topic. Dwashbur was right in Post 67.

[jlisenbe]

Strange how you so eagerly (and no doubt hysterically and non-angrily) support DW's similarly non-angry post 67, and yet ran past his very valid observation in post 78. Rather selective.

At any rate, have it your way.

[dwashbur]

Plants leave seeds for the next generation. Adam and Eve ate fruits and veggies from God's Garden. No roasted rib eye steaks or grilled burgers.

Humans and cows and ducks leave seeds behind, too, they just look like calves, children, and eggs.
There are lots of plants that don't leave seeds, and there are lots of seeds that we chew up and consume so they can't pass through our digestive systems unchanged. Do we really suppose Adam and Eve hadn't discovered bread?
We know plants are a live and the ancients knew it as well. If there was no death before the Fall then every carrot Adam ate continued to live in multiple masticated pieces somehow.
Come on, WG. I expect better from you.

[Wondergirl]

If there was no death before the Fall then every carrot Adam ate continued to live in multiple masticated pieces somehow.
Come on, WG. I expect better from you.

Dwashbur, you know me better than that!

Here's a thought-provoking article:

Could There Have Been Any Death Before the Fall?

https://apologeticspress.org/could-t...20as%20animals.

Here's another one:

Genesis 2:17—“You Shall Surely Die”

https://answersingenesis.org/death-b...ll-surely-die/

[jlisenbe]

This is from your first link.

"First, we know that plants were certainly able to die before the Fall, because they were to serve as food for humans and animals throughout the Earth (Genesis 1:30). Nobody seems to dispute that truth."

Isn't that exactly what you are disputing???

[Wondergirl]

Isn't that exactly what you are disputing???

I didn't say yay or nay to either link I posted. I said they are thought-provoking.