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    Nov 10, 2022, 04:38 AM
    On the ballot statewide was 5 different abortion votes . 3 states extended abortion rights and 2 states had abortion restrictions defeated .

    I guess the majority of Americans favor killing babies .
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    Nov 10, 2022, 04:57 AM
    Along with infanticide; these issues were voted for

    New York, Michigan, Illinois and Pennsylvania they voted to release violent criminal without bail,

    Medical tyranny. They voted for unnecessary and dangerous vaccine mandates for their children, for more mask mandates and lockdowns in the future if their dictator governors such as Kathy Hochul, J.B. Pritzker and Gretchen Whitmer so decide.

    They voted for perpetual energy shortages .

    They voted for open borders for illegal alien invaders .

    The voted for the one world government reset

    They voted for the woke ;crt ;LGBT++XYZ agenda.They voted to allow gender mutilations They voted for porno in their education curriculum

    They voted for perpetual inflation and endless national debt .
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    Nov 10, 2022, 06:05 AM
    "I would rather have my baby killed than be expected to exercise reproductive responsibility," would seem to be the mantra of many voters.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 06:11 AM
    That explains where you got the youth vote. I stand corrected.
    I must confess that I was rather impressed with this. It was one of those ultra-rare moments on this site where someone acknowledged his/her own error.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 11:14 AM
    Historian professor Victor Davis Hanson has a brilliant take on the election .

    Tuesday Takeaways | RealClearPolitics
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    Nov 10, 2022, 01:24 PM
    The country is changing. The idea that truth is relative has taken hold and those who believe that resent being told that what they believe just may very well be wrong. Colleges are contributing greatly to that error.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 01:36 PM
    John 18:38 (NKJV) -- Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, “I find no fault in Him at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The idea that truth is relative
    Your truth or my truth?
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    Nov 10, 2022, 01:39 PM
    Your truth or my truth?
    Neither. THE truth.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 01:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Historian professor Victor Davis Hanson has a brilliant take on the election .

    Tuesday Takeaways | RealClearPolitics
    You call that a brilliant idea. I call it far right propaganda. The guy HATES Hillary Clinton and IDOLIZES Donald Trump. What more does anyone need?

    According to Hanson, the Democrat candidates in the 2022 election are all mediocre and media creations. The Republicans are statesmen. Hard to believe he would put such nonsense in writing for anyone to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    John 18:38 (NKJV) -- Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, “I find no fault in Him at all.
    Apparently, Jesus found no fault in Pilate's question clearly implying truth is not the same for all. I.e., relative.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 02:00 PM
    Apparently, Jesus found no fault in Pilate's question
    There are a number of statements made in the presence of Jesus which he did not reply to. A non-reply is far removed from, "Jesus found no fault." And that's especially true when you consider his declaration that, “I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." There is no room in the Bible for this idea that truth and opinion are basically equivalent.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 02:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Apparently, Jesus found no fault in Pilate's question clearly implying truth is not the same for all. I.e., relative.
    Woops. I put Pilate's words in the mouth of Jesus. That was a BIG no-no. Apologies to WG.
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    #32

    Nov 10, 2022, 04:05 PM
    truth is absolute . There is no alternative to truth Pilot's relativism is gospel for the left
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    Nov 10, 2022, 04:09 PM
    What? You don't accept the words of that famous early Christian leader, Pilate? [SARC]
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    #34

    Nov 10, 2022, 05:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    truth is absolute . There is no alternative to truth
    Your truth or mine?

    You: The glass is half empty.
    Me: The glass is half full.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 05:31 PM
    yeah that was Pilot's question .

    if truth is not absolute then there is no such thing as truth
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    Nov 10, 2022, 06:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    yeah that was Pilot's question .

    if truth is not absolute then there is no such thing as truth
    Jesus according to John was claiming to be the truth. Pilate's question was not denying truth, he was asking what it is. Surely, that is a legitimate question. Jesus didn't answer.
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    Nov 10, 2022, 08:03 PM
    You: The glass is half empty.
    Me: The glass is half full.
    There is no contradiction there. It is simply two ways of describing the same truth and is certainly not two differing truths. If the glass has a capacity of one pint, then the glass has one cup of water in it in both cases.


    I weigh 180 pounds.
    I weigh 200 - 20 pounds.
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    #38

    Nov 10, 2022, 08:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    There is no contradiction there.
    What if one glass contains lemonade and the other vodka?
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    #39

    Nov 10, 2022, 08:51 PM
    Then it is absolutely true that one contains one cup of lemonade and the other contains one cup of vodka. There are not two differing truths. They are both half-empty and half-full.
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    #40

    Nov 10, 2022, 09:14 PM
    Thus, my truth is that Genesis 3 is an allegory. Your truth is that it happened exactly as described.

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