[jlisenbe]

The local barber basically equates with you. He also has those real life "admissions and revelations". Still, you don't understand the process of science, so it's hard to explain to you.

[Wondergirl]

Always the putdown. And with no effort to explain "data" and properly assert yourself.

[jlisenbe]

You have no desire to understand.

[Wondergirl]

You have no desire to understand.

I would if you'd drop the attitude and explain.

[jlisenbe]

OK. We can start here. I posted that Stacy Abrams made a false claim that a fetal heartbeat could not be detected at six weeks. Both you and I posted quotes showing that she was plainly wrong. You initially supported her. Do you continue to support her statement?

[Wondergirl]

Dr. Esther Choo: "A fetal 'heartbeat' at six weeks merely reflects electrical activity produced by a tiny, amorphous clump of cells. Within the less than half-an-inch mass, there is not yet any structure recognizable as a heart, no pumping of blood, no circulatory system within which it could be pumped, and no developed end organs to pump it to."
AND
"There is no such thing as a heartbeat at six weeks. It is a manufactured sound designed to convince people that men have the right to take control of a woman's body."
PLUS
Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

[jlisenbe]

I will give you credit for trying. Alas, i can give you no credit for being right. You quoted a supporter of Abrams to support Abrams. Unfortunately, your own quote from above, which you must have posted in ignorance, contradicts that silliness. And you certainly cannot quote Abrams to support the quote of...Abrams. That's blatant dishonesty.

https://www.healthline.com/health/pr...abys-heartbeat

Your Genesis quote has already been demonstrated to be silliness. The man became a living soul because, prior to that, he was only dust of the ground. He had no heartbeat, no brainwaves, no environmental responses, and no breath. He had no more life than dust has. That is scarcely true of an unborn human being. Surely you can see that.

[Wondergirl]

The man became a living soul because, prior to that, he was only dust of the ground. He had no heartbeat, no brainwaves, no environmental responses, and no breath. He had no more life than dust has.

Just like a fetus.

[jlisenbe]

You are really trying to make the argument that a fetus has no more life than dust? Really???

[Wondergirl]

I hope men are the ones who get pregnant in heaven, or maybe it will be the situation during a stay in purgatory first.

[jlisenbe]

You are really trying to make the argument that a fetus has no more life than dust? Really???

[Wondergirl]

Until they take a first breath, they may as well be dust.

[tomder55]

Originally Posted by jlisenbe
her ridiculous claim that you can't really detect a fetal heartbeat at 6 weeks.



You can't. How many pregnancies have you had?

I've never been pregnant . That is because MEN CAN'T get pregnant .

However I was the dad in a pregnancy . At 6 weeks my wife and I listened to my daughter's heart beat through a sonogram test .


When Does Baby Have a Heartbeat?

Your baby's heart starts beating approximately 22 days after conception. It won't be detectable yet—even though it's beating an average of 110 times a minute. But thanks to ultrasound technology, you (and your doctor) should be able to hear baby's heartbeat soon.
When Can You Hear a Baby's Heartbeat? (parents.com)

that is 3 weeks not 6 weeks

[tomder55]

Esther Choo is an emergency physician and professor at the Oregon Health & Science University. She is a popular science communicator who has used social media to talk about racism and sexism in healthcare. She was the president of the Academy of Women in Academic Emergency Medicine and is a member of the American Association of Women Emergency Physicians.

Esther Choo - Wikipedia

She is an activist not a real physician

[Wondergirl]

Calm down. She has an M.D. (from Yale U.), has a master's in public health, and is a real physician.

From that Wikipedia article: She earned a medical degree at Yale University in 2001.^[1] She was a resident at Boston Medical Center.^[1] In 2009, she returned for further training, earning a Master's in Public Health at Oregon Health & Science University.^[5]

[jlisenbe]

Until they take a first breath, they may as well be dust.

I never cease to be amazed at the lengths to which people will go to maintain their liberal orthodoxy. According to this, dust has a heartbeat. Dust experiences pain. Dust bleeds. Dust grows. Dust has a metabolism. Dust has brainwaves. Dust has its own DNA.

Just amazing.

Dust can even be sanctified as a prophet to the nations! Then the word of the Lord came to me saying,
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:4-5)

[Wondergirl]

I'm trying to outdo the bizarre notions that drip from the typing fingers of a narrow-minded repub.

[jlisenbe]

And then try to blame someone else. Classic liberal orthodoxy.

How do you know that your own "bizarre notions that drip from the typing fingers of a narrow-minded," liberal do not exceed "the bizarre notions that drip from the typing fingers of a narrow-minded repub?" I consider your views on dust to be beyond bizarre.

[Wondergirl]

And then try to blame someone else. Classic liberal orthodoxy.

Like you do on a consistent basis. Classic conservative orthodoxy.

[jlisenbe]

Name a time I have and you will have a point. I doubt you can. You are copying as you frequently do. Just another end-run.