[tomder55]

September 1781 .After stunning upset victories in the South ,the Brit Army abandoned the South and marched to Yorktown where they expected to be evacuated or resupplied by the Brit fleet. The French aiding the Americans provided enough support to prevent the evacuation. The Brit Army cut off and surrounded ,surrendered .

Fast forward to Sept 2022.

The Ukrainians stunningly catch the Russian forces off guard and combined their expected counteroffensive at Kharkiv with a surprise attack on the lightly defended Russian rail supply lines at Kupiansk. Russian forces appear to be retreating south away from Russia.

The question is will NATO supply sufficient support for Ukraine to do a coup de gras and defeat Russia; Or will they dither and continue to push for the negotiated settlement they have not so secretly hoped for ?

[jlisenbe]

The question is will NATO supply sufficient support for Ukraine to do a coup de gras and defeat Russia;

Can we be sure that our ever-vigilant pres will jump all over this opportunity? [SARC]

[tomder55]

What's in it for him ? He consider's MAGA the biggest threat .

[tomder55]

[jlisenbe]

Could be that all his shouting about MAGA people is intended to be a distraction. "Let's throw em off the trail by getting the media all excited about their favorite person to hate."

[tomder55]

No they believe it . Cueless ha the campaign trail and that is his central theme ... that Trump supporters are enemies of the state .

Chuck Todd interview with Kam the Sham

Todd
It was twenty-one years ago that we were attacked by foreign terrorists. Not quite 20 years after 9/11, the Capitol came under attack from domestic terrorits. With the 9/11 anniversary in mind, I sat down with Vice President Harris on Friday at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. She was there to talk about the space program in general and to speak with some astronauts on the International Space Station. I began by asking the Vice President about how over two decades our focus has had to shift from foreign terror to the threat from within.
[START TAPE]
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
I think it is very dangerous and I think it is very harmful. And it makes us weaker. You know, I have, I have met with and I've had conversations with over 100 foreign heads of state: presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, kings. And, you know, when we as the United States walk into those rooms around the world, we have had the honor and privilege historically of holding our head up as a defender and an example of a great democracy. And that then gives us the legitimacy and the standing to talk about the importance of democratic principles, rule of law, human rights. And one of the things though that comes with that privilege is that we hold ourselves out to be a role model, which means the rest of the world, like any role model, watches what we do to see if it matches up with what we say. So you look at everything from the fact that there are eleven people right now running for secretary of state, the keepers of the integrity of the voting system of their state, who are election deniers. You've got --
CHUCK TODD:
And what's that sending, what message does that send to the world?
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
Well, you couple that with people who hold some of the highest elected office in our country who refuse to condemn an insurrection on January 6th. And I think what it sends is a signal that causes people to question, “Hey, is America still valuing what they talk about?” – which is the integrity of democracies, which means protecting a rule of law and the sanctity of these systems and speaking up when they are attacked. And I'm very concerned about it, Chuck. I'll tell you, I'm very concerned about it. Because there are so many issues going on in the world that I think require, at least how we as Americans have traditionally thought about what is right, what is good, what should be fought for, what should be human ideals, and certainly the ideals of democracies. And I think that through the process of what we've been through, we're starting to allow people to call into question our commitment to those principles. And that's a shame.
CHUCK TODD:
Nearly 70% of Republicans don't believe that the president and yourself won the 2020 election legitimately. Do you think you'll ever be able to change their minds?
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
I find that polling interesting. And I'm going to tell you why. I'm traveling the country, we're here in Houston, I was in North Carolina, I mean, I've been traveling all over the country. I don't find that. I don't get that kind of sense or feedback.
CHUCK TODD:
Do you think you talk to a lot of Republicans? I mean, I say this, I mean –
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
Well, I think I talk to a lot of Americans. And I'll tell you, when I talk to folks and they know that, for example, there was a bipartisan infrastructure law that, you know, in Durham is going to fix I-40, or here in Houston, is going to fix Telephone Road, those are some of their priorities. When I talk to people about what we're doing, that we're going to make sure, especially after the pandemic, that all families, all working families have access to affordable, high-speed internet, and they’re going to, we're going to bring the cost of it down, less $30 a month, plus people are going to get a $100 voucher to buy a laptop or an iPad, people want to hear that. Look what happened in Kansas on the issue of choice. People, whoever they voted for in the last election or in the next, stood up and said, "It is not right that we take a constitutional right from the women of America and deprive them of the ability to make decisions about their own body and instead say the government’s in a better position to do that.”
CHUCK TODD:
So, you say you take issue with this idea that there are 70%. Do you think there's really --
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
I just don't experience that.
CHUCK TODD:
You don't experience it. You don't know if they exist?
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
I think that --
CHUCK TODD:
Or do you think they just say it?
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
I'm not – I would not dare to tell anyone what they should think. I'm just telling you that I do believe that when it comes down to the things that wake people in the middle of the night, that worry them about their future, about their family, about their children or their parents, most of those issues, they think of not through the lens of the party with which they're registered to vote.
CHUCK TODD:
What is a semi-fascist?
VICE PRES. KAMALA HARRIS:
Listen, I think that when we -- let's not get caught up in politicizing the fact that most people in America know that it is not helpful to our country when we have people who are denying elections or trying to obstruct the outcome of an election where the largest number of people in our country voted for the president of the United States. And when we look at where we are, I think that we have to admit that there are attacks from within, to your first question. And we need to take it seriously. And we need to stand up together, all of us, and think of this not through a partisan lens but as Americans.

Meet the Press - September 11, 2022 (nbcnews.com)

[tomder55]

you need no more proof of this than the FBI surrounding Mike Lindell ;the pillow guy's car and seizing his cell phone. What is his crime ? He believes the election was rigged .It has nothing to do with Jan 6 riot.

This is in connection with charges against Tina Peters . She is charged with 7 felonies and 3 misdemeanors for copying voting machine hard drives as a county clerk and recorder in Mesa County Colorado. She is also a Trump supporter .

I don't know Lindell's connection . But the FBI considered it serious enough to surround his car at a fast food joint and seize his phone . Lindell claims that his phone is his only computer and is essential for his business ;and even as a control for his hearing aid .
There may be a legit need for the FBI to have access to the phone . The manner of the seize is pure intimidation .

[jlisenbe]

It is beyond amazing that liberal dems do not seem to have any sense of alarm about these developments. The FBI certainly appears to have become, at least in part, a political arm of the democrat party. It reminds me of this.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[tomder55]

First the FBI came for the pilliow guy's phone. Maybe he was hiding documents in his pillow case like Sandy Berger was in his socks . The FBI has seized so many Trump supporter's cell phones they could open up a Verizon retail store.

Former Trump advisor Peter Navarro was put in handcuffs & leg irons by the FBI while boarding a flight. He lived within walking distance of FBI HQ.

Meanwhile Hunter Biden travels on Air Force One .

[jlisenbe]

We are in deep trouble.