[Wondergirl]

1. What tells us the embryo is a person?
2. So are you.
3. You said Trump wasn't trying to start a war. Thus, Boston Tea Party redux.

Wondergirl means she wonders a lot about reference questions and the people who ask them.

[jlisenbe]

1. Already answered. "Still, it has a unique genetic code, is not "sperm and egg", is fabulously complex, exhibits all the qualities of living organisms, and is on its way to adulthood." I could add that it is already male/female, it is already developing systems, and it needs only time and safety to be held in a mother's arms. Note that shaking hands has nothing to do with it. Try shaking hands with a newborn. Good luck.
2. I showed you your arrogance in your refusal to admit to the most obvious thing on this site.
3. Except that, as I have already shown, the BTP was not carried out to start a war. Pay attention.

She should wonder about why she cannot admit to being wrong when she clearly is.

I'm out of this. You are too frustrating to discuss anything with. You don't know what you're talking about, and you won't listen to someone else who does know. You make statements you cannot support and then expect others to find support for you. It's just too much. If I could block you I would, but your position on this site makes that not possible, or at least that seems to be the case.

Best wishes.

[Wondergirl]

1. Of course I can shake hands with a newborn baby, but not with an embryo.
2. And you regularly show us yours.
3. Trump learned from the BTP that starting a war is easy.

[tomder55]

Kam the sham tried to liken the end of Roe to slavery . She said it was an example of ‘trying to claim ownership over human bodies.’

Kamala Harris at Essence Festival: Overturning Roe v. Wade 'problematic on so many levels' - CNNPolitics


Now I as someone who doesn't think babies should be killed also compare abortion to slavery because the baby is treated as less than a human .

[Wondergirl]

And the mother's (woman's) rights have been taken away, no longer exist. Slavery.

[tomder55]

what right is that ?

[Wondergirl]

To have control over her body and what happens to it

[tomder55]

The woman gave up that "right" getting pregnant .

The right to the life of the baby supersedes other rights We know that because that was the very first right mentioned by the Founders , The right to life under the Constitution is not debatable

The only argument the left has against that is the absurd contention that the baby is less than a human and does not deserve the right of life except at the mother's discretion. THAT WAS THE MINDSET OF THE PRO-SLAVERY MOVEMENT IN THE ANTEBELLUM days before the Civil War .

[Wondergirl]

No male can purchase and possess a gun. He gave up that right because he has fingers.

Women "get pregnant" how? By whom?

[tomder55]

the comparison escapes me . The baby is a separate human being ;not inanimate tool . It's like saying an astronaut is dependent on the rocket ship. If the astronaut exits the ship the astronaut dies. But no one argues that the astronaut is part of the ship.

As for the man thingy ..... He is an equal participant but you would not even give him a say if the baby lives or dies .

There is no defense for your position. Why do you consider an unborn baby to be a part of the woman's body ? Because the baby depends on the mother for it's existence If that were true than the mother would have a right to whack the born baby too . The baby is a helpless being for months after birth. There is actually a serious debate that if an abortion fails and the baby is alive outside the mother it can be killed like a seal . Some people who argue for abortion rights see nothing wrong with offing a mentally handicapped baby. There is actually names for those atrocities ...... “fourth-trimester abortion” or “post-natal abortion.” It all comes from the mindset that a baby is a disposable life at the discretion of the mother's "choice". .

[Wondergirl]

As for the man thingy ..... He is an equal participant but you would not even give him a say if the baby lives or dies .

Oh, yes, he has a say -- IF he sticks around after he has his fun.

[Wondergirl]

the comparison escapes me . The baby is a separate human being ;not inanimate tool .

You referred to rights. I stayed on that topic.

[Wondergirl]

Some people who argue for abortion rights see nothing wrong with offing a mentally handicapped baby. There is actually names for those atrocities ...... “fourth-trimester abortion” or “post-natal abortion.” It all comes from the mindset that a baby is a disposable life at the discretion of the mother's "choice". .

Some people (usually males) believe in "offing" other people -- at home, in the neighborhood, at grocery stores, at churches, at schools, and even at parades -- with easily obtained guns. Why aren't guns prohibited?

[tomder55]

Some people (usually males) believe in "offing" other people -- at home, in the neighborhood, at grocery stores, at churches, at schools, and even at parades -- with easily obtained guns. Why aren't guns prohibited?

Non sequitur Murder is outlawed regardless of the tool used .........except evidently abortion . That murder is thought of as some kind of right.

[tomder55]

Oh, yes, he has a say -- IF he sticks around after he has his fun.

Wrong
had my wife decided to kill my daughter I would've had no say

[Wondergirl]

Wrong
had my wife decided to kill my daughter I would've had no say

Why not? You two were married.

[tomder55]

A couple charged in connection with the death of a 2-month-old baby now faces more serious charges.
Officials announced upgraded charges for Nickolas Shane Stephenson, 35, and Diandra Haleigh Fuhr-Farlow, 28, were arrested in June after the death of their infant daughter Riley Leshae Hannah Stephenson.

Both have now been charged with first-degree murder in the death of their child, officials said.

North Carolina: Parents charged after 2-month-old died (wyff4.com)

Why are they charged ? The baby could not survive without them .They did not kill their baby .They decided to have a “fourth-trimester abortion” or “post-natal abortion.”

Married women don't opt for abortion without the father's consent ?

Spousal Notification: An Unconstitutional Limitation on a Woman's Right to Privacy in the Abortion Decision (hofstra.edu)

[Wondergirl]

Men: Do not put your prized possession inside a woman's body unless you are willing, for the rest of your life, to be a father worthy of sainthood.

[jlisenbe]

the comparison escapes me . The baby is a separate human being ;not inanimate tool . It's like saying an astronaut is dependent on the rocket ship. If the astronaut exits the ship the astronaut dies. But no one argues that the astronaut is part of the ship.

A great point that has gone unanswered. It's just amazing that here we are living in the golden age of birth control with options women could only dream about 75 years ago, and yet people want to complain about men getting women pregnant. It's like me leaving my doors unlocked and open but then complaining about getting robbed.

[tomder55]

Men: Do not put your prized possession inside a woman's body unless you are willing, for the rest of your life, to be a father worthy of sainthood.

I can go along with that . But it does not address the issue of married men having no say according to you if their baby gets killed . And it certainly has nothing to do with Kam the Sham's absurd statement that if a women doesn't have the right to kill her baby that she is a slave .