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    May 24, 2022, 05:55 PM
    This was suggested about 36 hours ago. Unfortunately the advice was not followed.

    "I don't think you know what Trump did about Mark F. Do a little work and you can find out why we have not gotten him back."
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    #42

    May 24, 2022, 06:11 PM
    no deal . sorry for Mark . My family had it's own evac plan in place should trouble go down. There was no expectation that the US would bail us out .
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    #43

    May 24, 2022, 06:17 PM
    It's a hard decision, but I don't think we can start the business of exchanging dangerous criminals for unjustly held hostages.

    It appears that the only reason his issue was even raised was as an opportunity to take a swipe at Trump. Perhaps not, but it sure appeared that way.
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    #44

    May 25, 2022, 03:07 AM
    Democratic Representative Veronica Escobar TX, “there is one party in America that is so tied to the NRA, so addicted to their money and their endorsement, that they are willing to let babies die. And that is the Republican Party.”

    Huh?? I wonder if she sees the irony in that comment.
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    #45

    May 25, 2022, 09:04 AM
    She meant to say: "Too many Republicans believe we must save unborn babies, but if someone wants to kill born babies, go for it!"
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    #46

    May 25, 2022, 09:15 AM
    except that not one Republican supports killing ,or letting born babies die either . Her statement and yours are strawmen .
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    #47

    May 25, 2022, 09:34 AM
    Republicans don’t support programs that are used to help women after children are born, such as SNAP or Planned Parenthood or mandated personal/maternity leave time.
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    #48

    May 25, 2022, 12:54 PM
    so how does that equate with ..."if someone wants to kill born babies, go for it!" ?
    Answer is that it has nothing in common .The comparison is extreme inflammatory demagoguery and a clear false equivalency .
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    #49

    May 25, 2022, 01:04 PM
    Republicans are against any form of socialism. Thus, they must refuse to use e.g., SS, Medicare and Medicaid, public highways and transportation, ACA, public libraries, public schools, SNAP, and public parks.
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    May 25, 2022, 03:24 PM
    Republicans are against any form of socialism. Thus, they must refuse to use e.g., SS, Medicare and Medicaid, public highways and transportation, ACA, public libraries, public schools, SNAP, and public parks.
    Public highways and libraries are not examples of socialism. Neither are SS or public schools. Socialism is an economic system, not a system of governance or of how to fund government projects. Planned Parenthood does little to help born children. SNAP, which is basically food stamps, has a good deal of repub support, so I'm just not sure where you are getting your info from.

    Republicans don’t support programs that are used to help women after children are born, such as SNAP or Planned Parenthood or mandated personal/maternity leave time.
    Your argument seems to come down to this. It must be OK for dems to want to kill unborn children since, after all, the repubs supposedly don't support programs to help children AFTER they are born. Well, that's not true to begin with, and you must also consider who it is who funds the more than 2,000 crisis pregnancy centers across the country. It is certainly not liberal dems.
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    #51

    May 25, 2022, 03:48 PM
    more nonsense ;false and almost too ignorant to comment about .A broad definition of Socialism is government ownership or close control of the means of production and property .Republicans are strong supporters of private ownership and property rights

    The 1st fallacy in your statement is that All Republicans are against any form of socialism .It is a very broad and absolute statement .Unlike the progressive drones there is no monolithic opinion . The 2nd big fallacy is that all government spending is some kind of welfare program.That is patently false

    The common defense is the primary reason for having a government . Without it there is no reason to give up any liberty to a governing entity . Road building ,libraries public schools ,and parks have been legit government spending since the dawn of civilization. Redefining them as socialism is lazy .

    SS Medicare are mandated insurance programs where the participants start paying into them the moment they begin earning a living . That they are coerced doesn't make them socialism . It makes them a ponzi scheme and in my humble opinion unconstitutional . Same with ACA . Even though it is an ill conceived unmitigated disaster ,it mostly is a socialist program because the government has tight control over the means of providing the service it outsources the managment to the insurance cabal..... sorta like the National Socialist model of Italy .

    I and many other Republicans do not necessarily oppose a program that feeds the genuinely needy . That again disproves your fallacious declaration .
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    #52

    May 25, 2022, 04:25 PM
    Don't you love it when opposing voices argue with you two?
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    #53

    May 26, 2022, 02:44 AM
    I would rather have debate on the issues than to live in an echo chamber .
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    #54

    May 26, 2022, 04:50 AM
    A prime example of believing that which is convenient versus that which is true.
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    #55

    May 26, 2022, 09:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    A prime example of believing that which is convenient versus that which is true.
    Conservatives know about convenient beliefs very well. (I have been surrounded by them throughout my entire life.)
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    #56

    May 26, 2022, 09:16 AM
    Democrats; especially the Schmuckster, would rather see school children die than support sensible school safety laws .

    Scott snaps at Schumer over gun legislation- POLITICO
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    #57

    May 26, 2022, 09:32 AM
    Conservatives know about convenient beliefs very well. (I have been surrounded by them throughout my entire life.)
    And another shot in the dark.

    She meant to say: "Too many Republicans believe we must save unborn babies, but if someone wants to kill born babies, go for it!"
    How do you know what she "meant" to say?
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    #58

    May 27, 2022, 09:20 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And another shot in the dark.
    Shot in the dark? I was born while parents lived in a very conservative state and later lived in another conservative area in a different state. Family, relatives, neighbors, friends -- mostly conservative. Back then, conservative was a good thing.
    How do you know what she "meant" to say?
    I'm psychotic.
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    #59

    May 27, 2022, 10:01 AM
    Shot in the dark? I was born while parents lived in a very conservative state and later lived in another conservative area in a different state. Family, relatives, neighbors, friends -- mostly conservative. Back then, conservative was a good thing.
    "Shot in the dark" was referring to your habit of making broad and non-specific accusations in what seems to be a desperate bid to counter someone else's argument.
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    #60

    May 27, 2022, 10:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    "Shot in the dark" was referring to your habit of making broad and non-specific accusations in what seems to be a desperate bid to counter someone else's argument.
    So my subsequent Part B reply got me off the hook?

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