[jlisenbe]

Have you ever been on a date with a guy

Uhm...no.

What can she do?

"I am woman, hear me roar!" Get rid of the loser and find a respectable man. Why does that seem so complicated to you? Do women only have the right to choice when it involves killing their unborn children?

[Wondergirl]

Uhm...no.

I have. No fun, no fun at all. Had to talk my way out of those situations as well as several others.

"I am woman, hear me roar!" Get rid of the loser and find a respectable man. Why does that seem so complicated to you? Do women only have the right to choice when it involves killing their unborn children?

I finally did find that respectable man. And my dating adventures were during the '60 when most young men were Christian and lived in two-parent families. I can only imagine what it's like now. Carry a taser? Concealed carry of a firearm?

[jlisenbe]

Why not drive your own car the first few dates, meet the guy at a restaurant or coffee shop, have a nice time (hopefully) in a public setting, say good night, and drive your own car back home. In other words, make some wise and safe decisions. Not only that, but tell him early on that you don't sleep around. Don't dress like a slut when you're dating. Know your own rules before you go out.

Make sense?

[Wondergirl]

Why not drive your own car the first few dates, meet the guy at a restaurant or coffee shop, have a nice time (hopefully) in a public setting, say good night, and drive your own car back home. In other words, make some wise and safe decisions. Not only that, but tell him early on that you don't sleep around. Don't dress like a slut when you're dating. Know your own rules before you go out.

Make sense?

I was in my late teens and had no license or car. My parents knew the young men and their families, approved of them.

"Sleeping around" was not a consideration or even a vague thought back in the early '60. The term hadn't been invented yet -- plus that activity wasn't in the dating playbook. That's not what girls did where I lived.

[Wondergirl]

Do women only have the right to choice when it involves killing their unborn children?

You believe a woman who has been raped and made pregnant should carry that fetus to term?

[jlisenbe]

I was in my late teens and had no license or car. My parents knew the young men and their families, approved of them.

Then your parents were terribly wrong in that regard, and you were foolish for not informing them of their very wrong approval of these boys. Even worse, there was nothing to prevent you from having your parents drive you to a restaurant so you could have a public date with the boy to get an idea of his character, and then have your parents pick you up afterwards. Was there a reason you couldn't do that? Did your father have a good talk with your dates as they arrived to pick you up. "I am trusting you with my daughter. She is precious beyond description to me. I expect you to return her in the same condition she is in now. Do we have an understanding???"

"Sleeping around" was not a consideration or even a vague thought back in the early '60. The term hadn't been invented yet -- plus that activity wasn't in the dating playbook. That's not what girls did where I lived.

Then why did the boys think you were open to that idea?

So these were the "Christian boys" you were dating? Don't sound like Christians to me. Why didn't you slap the snot out of the little twerp and insist he take you home? "...but during kisses after the movie, a switch flips, and he tries to unbutton your blouse while his tongue forces itself between your lips? And he pushes forward from there. Or for your first date, the guy, who promised to take you to a nice restaurant for a late dinner, instead drives into a deserted warehouse zone, and parks in a very dark section, then proceeds to .... I'm sure you can imagine the rest."

A really good strategy for a Christian girl is to bring up the subject of Jesus and saving faith during her first date. Not just in passing, but in a truly serious and extended manner. That will set a pretty good tone.

I've already addressed the rape issue a little over a week ago. At any rate, let's finish our dating discussion before changing subjects.

[Wondergirl]

Then your parents were terribly wrong in that regard, and you were foolish for not informing them of their very wrong approval of these boys. Even worse, there was nothing to prevent you from having your parents drive you to a restaurant so you could have a public date with the boy to get an idea of his character, and then have your parents pick you up afterwards. Was there a reason you couldn't do that?

We had only one car and my dad was always busy with church work and church members -- no time to drive his daughter many miles anywhere for a date and then pick her up later. And yes, I spilled the beans on the guys (whose parents were valued church members).

[jlisenbe]

We had only one car and my dad was always busy with church work and church members -- no time to drive his daughter many miles anywhere for a date and then pick her up later. And yes, I spilled the beans on the guys (whose parents were valued church members).

So after you told your father that a boy had forcefully kissed you and attempted to remove your clothes, what did he do?

If your dad was so busy with other things that he did not take care of his daughter, then sorry, but he was far too busy. I just don't buy that excuse.

At any rate, your history aside, we have discussed what women can do to stay away from losers. Do you know of any reason they should not do so?

[Wondergirl]

A really good strategy for a Christian girl is to bring up the subject of Jesus and saving faith during her first date. Not just in passing, but in a truly serious and extended manner. That will set a pretty good tone.

They hadn't planned anything ahead of time, had always been respectful. They were acting on a sexual impulse during a golden opportunity.

[jlisenbe]

Why did you give them a golden opportunity? Why are you making excuses for them?

And again. "So after you told your father that a boy had forcefully kissed you and attempted to remove your clothes, what did he do?"

[Wondergirl]

Why did you give them a golden opportunity? Why are you making excuses for them?

Teen hormones at work. They were very nice guys. Apparently, I was a nifty challenge.

And again. "So after you told your father that a boy had forcefully kissed you and attempted to remove your clothes, what did he do?"

I was forbidden to date for a time except in groups. Id est, I, not them, was the one punished.

Like too many women who've been impregnated and will not be allowed to get a needed abortion if Roe is tossed out.

[jlisenbe]

So you told your father these things, and his response was to forbid YOU to date other than in groups? A boy is supposed to take you to a restaurant but instead he takes you to a deserted warehouse and tries to have sex with you, and your father's response was nothing more than that? Sorry...that is hard to believe.

I would still like to know why you gave those boys that "golden opportunity". Sounds like you weren't exactly the little miss innocent that you are presenting yourself to be.

[Wondergirl]

I would still like to know why you gave those boys that "golden opportunity".

I was the pastor's daughter. A goal to brag about later.

[jlisenbe]

Like I said. You were not the little miss innocent after all. It was not altogether the fault of the boys. I don't believe for one second you ever told your father the story that you posted here. Good grief I hope not. Surely he was have responded more forcefully with the boy than that. Boys shouldn't be allowed to get by with that behavior. Of course that's assuming you were protesting.

Girls need to be taught these things. They need to be taught to dress properly and set clear boundaries. Parents need to be taught these things. Boys need to be taught to respect girls. Instead of being responsible, we have just settled on the solution of killing the unborn baby. What a culture we are in.

[Wondergirl]

Like I said. You were not the little miss innocent after all. It was not altogether the fault of the boys. I don't believe for one second you ever told your father the story that you posted here. Good grief I hope not. Surely he was have responded more forcefully with the boy than that. Boys shouldn't be allowed to get by with that behavior. Of course that's assuming you were protesting.

He was not a confrontational man. His responsibility was for me, not the boys.

Girls need to be taught these things. They need to be taught to dress properly and set clear boundaries. Parents need to be taught these things. Boys need to be taught to respect girls. Instead of being responsible, we have just settled on the solution of killing the unborn baby. What a culture we are in.

I ALWAYS dressed properly. So somehow it's the woman's fault. She didn't dress properly or behave properly or set boundaries (like the guy will always respect her then, ha ha!). I figured you'd end up there. That's why Roe is where it is now.

[jlisenbe]

A boy sexually assaults your daughter but you’re not a confrontational man???

We are not talking about “the woman”; we are talking about you. You referred to these incidents as goals to be bragged about later. Now you’re trying to find an escape route, but they were your words. So rather than being honest you instead put words in my mouth I never said. Miss evasion at work again.

I never said you didn't dress properly. Another evasion.

[Wondergirl]

A boy sexually assaults your daughter but you’re not a confrontational man???

Sexually assaults??? He didn't get past the kiss. I demanded to be taken home. He did so. Back in the '60s, males knew their place.

We are not talking about “the woman”; we are talking about you. You referred to these incidents as goals to be bragged about later. Now you’re trying to find an escape route, but they were your words. So rather than being honest you instead put words in my mouth I never said. Miss evasion at work again.

I never said you didn't dress properly. Another evasion.

Obviously you have greatly misunderstood. I was the cute PK, in general a desirable female, a goal to be bragged about by a MALE, not me. Again, another reason Roe must be kept.

[jlisenbe]

That’s not what you said. You said he took you to an abandoned parking lot and tried to take your clothes off. Change of story? Now you claim those boys knew their place.

Ok so why did you give that golden opportunity for a light switch to be flicked?

You would be a terrible witness in a court case. Your story changes every ten minutes. We’ve gone from sexual assaults to boys that all know their place and only try to steal a kiss. Hmmm.

[Wondergirl]

That’s not what you said. You said he took you to an abandoned parking lot and tried to take your clothes off. Change of story? Now you claim those boys knew their place.

And he failed. They knew they had to stop when told to. They don't know that nowadays.

Ok so why did you give that golden opportunity for a light switch to be flicked?

Being a passenger in a car and on the way to eat a late dinner?

You would be a terrible witness in a court case. Your story changes every ten minutes. We’ve gone from sexual assaults to boys that all know their place and only try to steal a kiss. Hmmm.

No, YOU keep changing it as you deliberately twist or misunderstand. YOU made it sexual assault.

I'm done. Sorry, Tom. Back to SCOTUS.

[jlisenbe]

Dear WG. You went from this

"...but during kisses after the movie, a switch flips, and he tries to unbutton your blouse while his tongue forces itself between your lips? And he pushes forward from there. Or for your first date, the guy, who promised to take you to a nice restaurant for a late dinner, instead drives into a deserted warehouse zone, and parks in a very dark section, then proceeds to .... I'm sure you can imagine the rest."

to this...

I have. No fun, no fun at all. Had to talk my way out of those situations as well as several others.

to this...

And yes, I spilled the beans on the guys

to this...

I was forbidden to date for a time except in groups. Id est, I, not them, was the one punished.

to this...

Sexually assaults??? He didn't get past the kiss. I demanded to be taken home. He did so. Back in the '60s, males knew their place.

and lastly to this.

And he failed. They knew they had to stop when told to.

So a "nice guy", a Christian boy who "knew his place" and knew he had to stop when told to drove you to a deserted parking lot, put his tongue past your lips, tried to take off your clothes, and it was all so bad that we must "imagine the rest"? Then you "spilled the beans" on not just him but several "guys" with the result that your father, who did not want to confront anyone about these repeated, shall we say "problems", punished you instead of addressing the boys?

Now that's quite a story. I have no doubt that it has some truth to it, and I have no doubt it was a terrible experience. It just seems you change direction frequently in accord with whatever point you happen to be trying to make at the time. You started with hormone-crazed, sex maniacs and ended up with a group of nice guys who knew their place and know when to stop. It's just all puzzling.

And all of that to justify your idea that it's OK for a doctor to brutally kill an unborn child. If it's not OK for men/boys to sexually assault women, and it certainly is not, then why would it be OK for a doctor to kill the unborn?