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    #41

    May 4, 2022, 06:57 PM
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    You're the biggest liberal dem on this site.
    Hardly! I'm an "I like Ike" Republican.
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    May 5, 2022, 03:06 AM
    I just finished a bio of Ike's 2 terms as President .( 'Ike's Bluff ' by Evan Thomas )It was mostly about how he kept the peace when hawks in the US were over selling Soviet capability to beef up US defense spending . It speaks of how he bluffed the world into thinking that he had a nuclear hair trigger when in fact he probably never would've used them. Nukes were cheaper so he preferred them over expanding conventional forces.
    In the end he warned the US about over spending on defense . But his plan of leaving the conventional forces demobilized would've forced his hand to use the nukes if Mao or Khrushchev had ever called his bluff.

    I can assure you that domestically he had nothing in common with the positions you take on this board unless you do not believe what you write . He would never had committed the resources spent in the 1960s for the social changes that came .The government expanded during his watch but he would never had committed the US to a program that had us in debt well above our GDP . He was a traditionalist who despised the counter culture . He would not have approved of the social changes that allow the murder of children .He probably would've supported woman's rights to a point . He never would've supported the muddling of the genders ;the LGBTQ++XYZ movement that actually dilute those rights . He despised the counter culture during his retirement years . He despised both Jack Kennedy and LBJ .

    Yes he kept many of the New Deal programs in tact . Some even expanding during his watch. The US was alone as an economic power house in the 1950s so that was easy to do . He never would have sacrificed a balanced budget over expanded gimmees.

    On the US borders he allowed temporary workers to enter the country . They were not permitted to stay . He supported the Bracero program .But also initiated Operation Wetback that used immigration to round up Mexicans to deport them .He was never the open border ;let them all come in type of person .

    He greatly expanded the spy state . The CIA was in it's hay day under his watch even though their record during that time was just terrible in both predicting events and in covert activities that still negatively affect us . He was mostly hands off when he should've had them completely under his control .His State Dept was another failed organization .
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    #43

    May 5, 2022, 04:29 AM
    A person can't support every liberal dem position known to man and then claim to be a repub based on the idea of supporting a candidate from the 50's that she was likely far too young to vote for to begin with. It's like the owner of a meat packing plant claiming to be an animal lover.
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    May 5, 2022, 04:34 AM
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    May 5, 2022, 04:41 AM
    Didn't realize you were a published author. Impressive!
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    May 5, 2022, 04:45 AM
    sorry to mislead. I just finished reading the bio .
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    May 5, 2022, 04:50 AM
    The Dems say that the apparent decision to reverse Roe means that next comes all the rights gained since before Brown v Board . take your pick ...woman's rights ;gay marriage ;contraception ,inter-racial marriage are all now on the block . This is demagoguery of the worse kind. Where is a minister of misinformation when you need one ?
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    #48

    May 5, 2022, 04:51 AM
    Oh well. At least you have read the book. I have to discipline myself to read. Love to watch documentaries but not so crazy about reading.
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    May 5, 2022, 04:55 AM
    I am trying to do much more reading since retiring .I had been limiting myself to what I could get on the web .Also have begun to read more fictions although my preference is still history.
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    May 5, 2022, 05:17 AM
    To be honest ;Roe was on the way out long before this apparent decision. Look at all the states who have passed abortion laws recently both expansive and restrictive laws .My former state NY passed an il duce Cuomo signed law in 2019 that basically decriminalized the act of abortion .It also expanded who was eligible to do the baby executions. In NY the killing of a baby in utero by anyone is no longer actionable as a homicide.

    Illinois defined a “health care professional” for the purpose of wacking a baby to include a “physician,.... a registered nurse, ...a physician assistant, or even... a person acting under the supervision of one of the above” .

    Rhode Island allows for the killing of babies past the age of viability . Fathers in the state have no say in the matter.

    Most of the states that have passed restrictions have already been mentioned and debated on these boards '
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    May 5, 2022, 05:28 AM
    This decision will not be the end of the issue. It will return control of abortion law to the states. Many states will ban abortions, but others will have the doors wide open to include abortions at 9 months. Even worse, California is now considering legislation allowing for "perinatal" abortions, meaning the death of a newborn. So the battle for life will continue. This will be the end by no means.

    New language added to AB 2223 last week revealed the disturbing intent. The proposed legislation would shield a mother from civil and criminal charges for any “actions or omissions” related to her pregnancy, “including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death.” Although definitions of “perinatal death” vary, all of them include the demise of newborns seven days or more after birth.The bill from Assemblywoman Buffy Wicks additionally protects anyone who “aids or assists a pregnant person in exercising” these rights. It also allows a woman to sue any police department or legal authority which arrests or charges her for hurting or killing her child under provisions of the bill.
    https://www.lifenews.com/2022/03/24/...s-after-birth/
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    May 5, 2022, 05:51 AM
    the radical lefty fact checkers are on the case . Colorado passed a law making abortion available at any time during pregnancy. It was noted in a tweet and shared on Facebook . Well that was just not acceptable to the propagandist fact checkers .

    Now get this logic. They don't deny that the abortion can be done any time during pregnancy . BUT since abortions are rare after 21 weeks they say it makes the tweet and postings false .

    PolitiFact | No, this Colorado law does not allow abortions ‘up until the moment of birth’
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    #53

    May 5, 2022, 06:41 AM
    Was listening to a clip of VP Harris passionately supporting abortion "rights". After defending the destruction of human lives, she closed with, "God bless you, and God bless America." Kind of a disconnect there, Madam Vice President.
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    May 5, 2022, 10:08 AM
    If rapists and sex abusers were locked up, if fathers stepped up, if daycare was not cost-prohibitive, if health care was reasonable, if housing was reasonable, if paid maternity leave lasted at least six months, there would be no need for abortion.
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    #55

    May 5, 2022, 10:26 AM
    You know not of what you speak.
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    #56

    May 5, 2022, 10:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You know not of what you speak.
    Thirty years as a professional counselor says I do.

    Then what's your take on it?
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    #57

    May 5, 2022, 01:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Was listening to a clip of VP Harris passionately supporting abortion "rights". After defending the destruction of human lives, she closed with, "God bless you, and God bless America." Kind of a disconnect there, Madam Vice President.
    Fetuses are human lives?

    Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    And thus, if abortion, killing the unborn, is forbidden, so should war, killing the born, be forbidden.
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    May 5, 2022, 03:06 PM
    Fetuses are human lives?
    Well, they are definitely human, and they are definitely alive, so what do you think?

    And thus, if abortion, killing the unborn, is forbidden, so should war, killing the born, be forbidden.
    Great idea.

    Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    If you find a "dust of the ground" human, then please be sure to take a pic of that. Otherwise, it is not a relevant point. God no longer breathes life into our nostrils that we might become living souls.

    Then what's your take on it?
    1. All of your excuses could equally be applied to children already born. It all comes down to the question of the human nature of the unborn. If they are not human, then abortion just becomes another med procedure. If the unborn are human, then abortion becomes an unspeakable travesty justified only when the mother's life is truly endangered, which is scarcely ever the case. Your other excuses pale in comparison.

    2. I'm sure the situation would be better if some socio-economic conditions were better. However, life is FAR better now than a hundred years ago, and yet abortions were relatively infrequent then. How do you explain that?

    3. I've shown you this pic before to no avail, but it's worth trying again. Look like a living human to you? Look like it's worth protecting? This is 16 weeks.
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    This is 10 weeks. Eyes, nose, ears, beating heart, brain, hands, fingers, and toes all present. Look like a living human to you worth protecting?
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    May 5, 2022, 03:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    God no longer breathes life into our nostrils that we might become living souls.
    The first time a fetus breathes is when it has left the mother's body, when it is born. That's when it becomes human, a living soul.
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    May 5, 2022, 03:32 PM
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    2. I'm sure the situation would be better if some socio-economic conditions were better. However, life is FAR better now than a hundred years ago, and yet abortions were relatively infrequent then. How do you explain that?
    You must be joking!

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    3. I've shown you this pic before to no avail, but it's worth trying again. Look like a living human to you? Look like it's worth protecting? This is 16 weeks.
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    This is 10 weeks. Eyes, nose, ears, beating heart, brain, hands, fingers, and toes all present. Look like a living human to you worth protecting?
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    I would save the life -- and emotional health -- of the woman.

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