[Wondergirl]

Explanation to a literalist:
After Adam and Eve used their free will to munch on the forbidden fruit, the universe fell into chaos. Nothing was ever again perfect as God had created it.

Had Adam and Eve obeyed and kept their hands off the forbidden fruit, there wouldn't be wildfires in California, covid, monkeypox, shootings and killings, an active volcano threatening Hawaiians, and a life-threatening heatwave.

[jlisenbe]

If you want to suggest that a lot of negatives occurred (wildfires in California, covid, monkeypox, shootings and killings, an active volcano threatening Hawaiians, and a life-threatening heatwave) as a result of the fall, then you have a valid position. However, you try to argue that TG and LGB blah blah blah are good things to be celebrated. That's where your argument becomes silly. You can't have goodness coming from the fall. Even for a make it up as you go alonger, that's a huge stretch too far.

[Wondergirl]

We fight wildfires; we rescue people from floods; we arrest, try, and imprison killers; we offer a safe haven to people running from erupting volcanoes; we get vaxed and boosted to prevent catching covid and now are finding ways to avoid catching monkeypox; we set up cooling stations for the homeless during heatwaves; we help TGs and others in the LGBTQIA community with counseling and medical care so they can live an authentic life.

[jlisenbe]

We fight wildfires; we rescue people from floods

Yep, just like we should fight against the general acceptance that homosexual behavior is good, and we should rescue people from transgenderism. Like the other results of the fall, they are negatives. You are finally starting to catch on.

[Wondergirl]

You misunderstand, sir. With counseling and medical care, we RESCUE trans people from gender dysphoria.

[jlisenbe]

Yes. Since you are saying that TG came from the fall and therefore is a negative behavior, then we certainly should rescue people from that delusion.

[Wondergirl]

Dysphoria, not delusion. You are the one who has a delusion and need rescuing.

[jlisenbe]

You can't have it both ways. It either came from the fall and is thus a negative, or it didn't come from the fall. You have claimed it did, so you are in a trap of your own making. You have placed it in the same category as cleft palate, wildfires in California, covid, monkeypox, shootings and killings. It's your own words. I didn't have to close the door behind you since you did it yourself. And as usual, when you are hopelessly trapped, you turn to personal insults since you have nothing else to turn to.

It's what I have generally found. When I let a liberal dem talk long enough, they will make my case for me and never know it until it's too late.

[Wondergirl]

I'm not in any trap. Transgenderism, along with the accompanying dysphoria, occurs as a problem (or, using your word, negative) for humans -- as do e.g., cleft palate, wildfires in California, covid, monkeypox, shootings and killings -- along with obesity, heart attacks, dental cavities, aplastic anemia, autism -- all as a result of the fall.

[jlisenbe]

Yes, and it should be dealt with as a problem and not as what should be celebrated. I would suggest you introduce them to Jesus because He is still in the business of changing lives thank God.

[Wondergirl]

It IS dealt with as a problem -- gender therapy, counseling, HRT, other interventions, and eventually surgery. What is celebrated is when the person becomes the gender he or she is meant to be. Jesus gives the medical caregivers the knowledge and skills to change lives.

Just like we get vaxed and boosted, go to a dentist to fill teeth containing cavities, go to a cardiologist who does a bypass to save our life, show up at the hematologist's office for regular blood labs and med refills to prevent death from aplastic anemia, and so on. Jesus loves us and has given us the resources for healing.

[jlisenbe]

No. You allow their confusion to continue and propagate the idea that there are many genders. It’s like celebrating heart disease. I like the idea of Christ as Savior and Lord much better.

[Wondergirl]

Many genders? You're very confused.

Christ as Lord and Savior has nothing to do with it and saying He does evades the issue.

[jlisenbe]

It’s nice to see you concede that there are only two genders. Good for you!

Jesus has everything to do with it. Everything.

[Wondergirl]

Yep, He's desperately trying to straighten out your thinking.

[tomder55]

I regret posting the meme . Mea Culpa

[Wondergirl]

Close the question, the thread, tomder!

[tomder55]

not my place . I make it a point in trying to avold religious discussions . I violated my own rule . However if Ben is watching . I think that there should be a cap on discussions . Someone going on the board is not going to bother to read 300 + comments.

[Wondergirl]

If you started the thread, which you did, you should be able to close it. Look at the top right of the page at the various jobs that you can do. "Administrative" should be one. If that's there, you can open it up to find an option to close the thread.