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    #81

    Jan 25, 2022, 10:51 AM
    Myles Monroe, can explain it much better than I. If you were to take just a few minutes and listen too it?

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...BD4E&FORM=VIRE


    You want Doctrine. Prayer takes on a whole new meaning (for me).
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    Jan 25, 2022, 10:57 AM
    Wifey and I, both having been vaxed and her having received the booster, both tested positive for Covid yesterday, so we are cooped up in the house until next Monday. Oh well.
    That's comicon for you
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    #83

    Jan 25, 2022, 11:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Myles Monroe, can explain it much better than I. If you were to take just a few minutes and listen too it?
    You can't post a video you found on bing (your tablet's search engine). It won't play.
    You want Doctrine. Prayer takes on a whole new meaning (for me).
    That makes absolutely no sense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Please rephrase.
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    #84

    Jan 25, 2022, 11:40 AM
    Oops. Look up: Myles Monroe, why God didn't stop Eve.


    The link I posted earlier works fine.
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    #85

    Jan 25, 2022, 11:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Oops. Look up: Myles Monroe, why God didn't stop Eve.

    The link I posted earlier works fine.
    His last name is Munroe, not Monroe.

    I have never listened to a more inaccurate, confused and confusing lecture in my life!

    Your first video says in print on a black screen, "Sorry, this video is no longer available." Plus, it too is from a bing search.
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    #86

    Jan 25, 2022, 12:09 PM
    Earlier post...earlier than the one you hit.

    It wasn't meant for you...allegory Girl.
    I don't like the way he presented it but he had some good points on prayer and Kingdom concept, along with authority.

    Why do people in a position of power lie?
    Because Authority has been given to them. They have given themselves over to lies.
    There will come a time (if not now) where they will believe the lies they speak.
    They might have been given the authority, but they have no power.

    The power comes from God's Law...the Christ.
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    #87

    Jan 25, 2022, 12:14 PM
    Walter, here's the deal. If you believe something to be true, then you should be able to say, "It says so here and here and here." Pointing to an admittedly disjointed video is not a good strategy. Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe? You will note that it is that very question that is at the core of most of my exchanges here.

    "You believe so and so? Oh? Why do you believe that?" It strikes me as the best question you can ask. I have been asked here why I believe in a coming judgment and hell. I reply with dozens of clear testimonies from the Bible including many from Jesus Himself. That is not always received here well, but there is no plea other than silliness such as "cherry picking", or a claim to be able to know the AUTHENTIC message of Jesus with, strangely enough, no description at all of how that person came to identify that message. I feel very safe when I can surround myself with the many testimonies of scripture.
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    #88

    Jan 25, 2022, 12:45 PM
    We are a living Testimony. Surround yourself with as many testimonies as you can find...is not going to keep you from appearing before the judgment seat of Christ.

    Are the things you trust real and true – or just dim reflections of something bigger?
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    Jan 25, 2022, 12:50 PM
    We are a living Testimony. Surround yourself with as many testimonies as you can find...is not going to keep you from appearing before the judgment seat of Christ.
    True for everyone including you.
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    #90

    Jan 25, 2022, 01:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe?
    LOL - this is too good to pass up. You have NEVER said WHY you believe. You have IN EVERY CASE said "Scripture says so".

    I have been asked here why I believe in a coming judgment and hell. I reply with dozens of clear testimonies from the Bible including many from Jesus Himself.
    There you go again! Ah, this is FAR too good to see in his own words why he NEVER explains his belief, yet criticizes others for the very thing he does.

    I feel very safe when I can surround myself with the many testimonies of scripture.
    I can't stop laughing. He can't stop digging that hole deeper and deeper. ROFL.
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    #91

    Jan 25, 2022, 01:26 PM
    You have NEVER said WHY you believe. You have IN EVERY CASE said "Scripture says so".
    Uhm..."Scripture says so" is the explanation for my beliefs. Most people catch on to that fairly quickly. It is an appeal to the authority of the Bible.
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    #92

    Jan 25, 2022, 01:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Uhm..."Scripture says so" is the explanation for my beliefs. Most people catch on to that fairly quickly. It is an appeal to the authority of the Bible.
    It's obvious what people "catch on to" - that you have no explanation except "the Bible told me so". Intelligent discussion demands more than that - like WHY you believe scripture says so. Yeah, yeah, we know - God wrote the Bible.
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    #93

    Jan 25, 2022, 02:09 PM
    I find it much preferable to your own explanation of, "Athos says so".

    you have no explanation except "the Bible told me so".
    First you claim I never say why I believe, and then you admit that I do appeal to the teaching of the Bible. You need to make your mind up.
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    #94

    Jan 25, 2022, 02:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I find it much preferable to your own explanation of, "Athos says so".
    I give reasons for what I post unless they are so self-evident that the reasons are obvious. I also employ rationality (logic) whenever appropriate. Internet references - you notably refuse to look there (unless, of course, you are the one posting).

    First you claim I never say why I believe, and then you admit that I do appeal to the teaching of the Bible. You need to make your mind up.
    Give it up. You know EXACTLY what is meant. EXACTLY! Drop the word games - you're transparent when you do that.

    You still have failed to answer - WHY do you believe scripture says so?
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    Jan 25, 2022, 02:29 PM
    Give it up. You know EXACTLY what is meant. EXACTLY! Drop the word games - you're transparent when you do that.
    Except, of course, that you cannot explain your own gaffe. Too bad. And putting "EXACTLY" in all caps does not prove anything other than an utter lack of ideas and self-control. I oftentimes wonder why you become so angry. Maybe WG can give you some counseling on that.

    I give reasons for what I post unless they are so self-evident that the reasons are obvious. I also employ rationality (logic) whenever appropriate. Internet references - you notably refuse to look there (unless, of course, you are the one posting).
    Like I said, "Because Athos says so."

    Now you are clearly welcome to that defense, but it's like I've told you many times in the past. If it comes down to accepting what Jesus said versus accepting what Athos believes, then the choice for me is obvious. You've never been raised from the dead, or even had to courage to state your own belief about the resurrection.
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    #96

    Jan 25, 2022, 02:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If it comes down to accepting what Jesus said versus accepting what Athos believes, then the choice for me is obvious. You've never been raised from the dead, or even had to courage to state your own belief about the resurrection.
    Your comments have been done to death. They have been rebutted again and again and AGAIN!

    Please continue to your heart's content.

    Meanwhile, we're waiting for you to explain why you believe scripture says so. Try to stick to the point. I understand that it's a tough question to answer. But not answering doesn't improve your position.
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    #97

    Jan 25, 2022, 02:48 PM
    Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe?
    Because he lives!

    Because I know, know, know he holds the future...because he lives.

    Now shut it (the two of you)!

    God gave man all Authority over his creation. In order that Man would destroy Sin.
    God incorporated Sin to destroy Sin.
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    #98

    Jan 25, 2022, 02:49 PM
    Meanwhile, we're waiting for you to explain why you believe scripture says so. Try to stick to the point. I understand that it's a tough question to answer. But not answering doesn't improve your position.
    You mean in the same manner you have done in answering if you believe in the resurrection? Like that? Is that what you mean?

    They have been rebutted again and again and AGAIN!
    That's true as long as "again and again" works out to none at all.
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    #99

    Jan 25, 2022, 02:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You mean in the same manner you have done

    I mean like this - Why do you believe scripture says so?
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    Jan 25, 2022, 02:56 PM
    Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe?
    Because he lives!

    Because I know, know, know he holds the future...because he lives.

    Now shut it (the two of you)!

    God gave man all Authority over his creation. In order that Man would destroy Sin.
    God incorporated Sin to destroy Sin.

    Just in case you didn't hear me the first time

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