[jlisenbe]

Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose?

Wow. Sounds like BLM, Antifa, and the Occupy movement. All of them were/are liberal dems.

[Wondergirl]

Actually, no. Only the January 6 idiots spread poop and pee (trying to make a point about the Dems).

[tomder55]

Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose?

Thank you for admitting it was a riot and not an insurrection. There is some evidence that there were instigators from outside organizations, professional agitators, and possibly by Federal agents attempting entrapment (ala the Whitmer kidnap plot model) .


Yes they were fools and morons . They were no John Brown; admired by the left for leading a violent insurrection, or Daniel Shay who's followers angry about taxes ,attacked an armory .

The Jan 6 rioters had no plan . And in the extremely unlikely chance that their actions could've intimidated Congress into handing the Presidency to Trump there would've been a 100 folds response by the left's agitators who are well versed in using political violence to impose their will.

[jlisenbe]

Only the January 6 idiots spread poop and pee

You need to refresh your memory on the Occupy movements. AT any rate, spreading poop and pee does not even come close to amounting to an insurrection.

[tomder55]

One unidentified man wore an earpiece during the riot and was filmed carrying what appeared to be a concealed handgun on his left hip. The man was pictured on the FBI's most wanted list for over five months until he was removed without explanation on the same day the New York Times reported an FBI informant was at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Federal authorities won't say why armed Capitol rioters disappeared from FBI's most wanted list | Washington Examiner

“To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway,” Bowser wrote in a letter to acting U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy.

DC Mayor Told Law Enforcement To Stand Down Day Before Capitol Riot (thefederalist.com)

and why did Capitol Police at the main entrances open the doors and invite the protesters into the Capitol ?
Watch The Capitol Police Open The Doors And Invite Protesters In (thefederalist.com)

[jlisenbe]

This video you linked is amazing. I wonder what the explanation is?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347596278583197698

At any rate, the rioters should be arrested and charged, just like BLM and Antifa rioters should be arrested and charged. But if that was an insurrection, it was a pitiful attempt at it.

[jlisenbe]

VP Harris' well thought-out view of the situation.

"Certain dates echo throughout history … Including dates that instantly remind all who have lived them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendar but a place in our collective memory. Dec. 7, 1941, Sept. 11, 2001, and Jan. 6, 2021," she said.

Note to Harris. Twenty years from now, only a relative few, wildly committed liberal dems will think about 1/6. EVERYONE thinks about Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

[jlisenbe]

This will doubtless bring consternation to the hearts of some on this site.

washington, aug 20 (reuters) - the FBI has found scant evidence that the jan. 6 attack on the u.s. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.
Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-president donald trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/

Something for the purpose of comparison.

The 1954 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on March 1, 1954, by four Puerto Rican nationalists who sought to promote the cause of Puerto Rico's independence from US rule. They fired 30 rounds from semi-automatic pistols onto the legislative floor from the Ladies' Gallery (a balcony for visitors) of the House of Representatives chamber within the United States Capitol.
The nationalists, identified as Lolita Lebrón, Rafael Cancel Miranda, Andres Figueroa Cordero, and Irvin Flores Rodríguez, unfurled a Puerto Rican flag and began shooting at Representatives in the 83rd Congress, who were debating an immigration bill. Five Representatives were wounded, one seriously, but all recovered. The assailants were arrested, tried and convicted in federal court, and given long sentences, amounting to life imprisonment. In 1978 and 1979, their sentences were commuted by President Jimmy Carter.^[2] All four returned to Puerto Rico.

The 1983 U.S. Senate bombing was a bomb explosion at the United States Senate on November 7, 1983, motivated by United States military involvement in Lebanon and Grenada. The attack led to heightened security in the DC metropolitan area, and the inaccessibility of certain parts of the Senate Building. Six members of the radical far-left Resistance Conspiracy were arrested in May 1988 and charged with the bombing, as well as related bombings of Fort McNair and the Washington Navy Yard which occurred April 25, 1983, and April 20, 1984, respectively.

Added note: Their sentences were commuted by Bill Clinton.

[tomder55]

VP Harris' well thought view of the situation. "Certain dates echo throughout history … Including dates that instantly remind all who have lived them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendar but a place in our collective memory. Dec. 7, 1941, Sept. 11, 2001, and Jan. 6, 2021," she said. Note to Harris. Twenty years from now, only a relative few, wildly committed liberal dems will think about 1/6. EVERYONE thinks about Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Yes Kam the Sham's comments are clownish . Clueless Joe's were dangerous . He conflated the riot to Dem's attempts to nationalize elections . “Right now, in state after state, new laws are being written not to protect the vote, but to deny it. Not only to suppress the vote, but to subvert it,” Remarks By President Biden To Mark One Year Since The January 6th Deadly Assault On The U.S. Capitol | The White House The new rules are only restrictive when compared to the free for all rules the Dems favor that place no accountability of the franchise. Was it democratic for key battleground states to change election laws outside the bounds of their constitutions ? Clueless went further claiming that with few exceptions the Republican party opposes democracy and are anti-American . “While some courageous men and women in the Republican Party are standing against it, trying to uphold the principle of that party, too many others are transforming that party into something else. They seem no longer to want to be the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan, the Bushes.” In other words the Dems are pro-democracy and the Republicans aren't .That is the banner they will take with them into the mid-terms . Does it matter that Evita to this day rails against the democratic results of the 2016 elections ? Does it matter that she advised Clueless to not accept any close outcome that would've had Trump reelected ? Does it matter that Stacey Abrams has claimed to be thereal governor of Georgia since she lost ? What do the 2020 riots that the Dems rhetorically supported say about their devotion to the democratic process when there were over 2,000 police injured ,17 killed ;court houses torched ,damages in the $ billions . ?

[talaniman]

This will doubtless bring consternation to the hearts of some on this site.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/

Maybe the terrorist right wingers didn't PLAN the events of 1/6, but others DID, and the zeal of repubs to minimize it, and ignore it smells like a cover up. Peter Navarro was on national news touting his great 'green bay sweep' strategy that Pence ruined by not doing as he and the dufus wanted and the committee wants to know from Sean Hannitty more about those plans.

Bet even repub lawmakers will remember the events of 1/6 and how scared they were.

[Wondergirl]

The Jan 6 rioters had no plan .

The insurrectionists thought Trump did since he had said he was going to lead their march to take over and reclaim the presidency. Too bad they didn't know he was watching them on tv (in a safe place) instead.

[jlisenbe]

but others DID

The FBI does not agree with you.

The insurrectionists thought Trump did since he had said he was going to lead their march to take over and reclaim the presidency.

The FBI also does not agree with you. And the idea that Trump intended to "reclaim the presidency" by some sort of violence has no support whatever. It's just TDS at work.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-president donald trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

[Curlyben]

Be Civil.

[jlisenbe]

Be Civil.

Who is that directed at?

[Curlyben]

Who is that directed at?

All of you.
As the old say goes if the hat fits....
Not about point scoring or binary positions.

[jlisenbe]

Fair enough, but with all due respect, I would think these hats would've fit.

Your analysis of the outcome of the 1/6 investigation is loony, and we all know the right wing shenanigans based on lies to influence every election.

MTG's investigation is laughable and her suspension was done by social media providers not the dems. Stop spinning so hard and you won't be dizzy and confused about simple FACTS.

I love coming back here and seeing Jl of all people pontificating about the truth. This from a character who thinks the entire human race drowned in a big flood and who thinks snakes can talk.

It doesn't get much better ...............

Now I can handle all of that and I'm not complaining about the remarks, but I have to say that it does get confusing here trying to figure out what the definition of "civil" comes down to.

[tomder55]

I for one am not much of a hat wearer .

[jlisenbe]

I don't think I am, but I do realize that is not a universally held opinion here.

[talaniman]

Did the dufus and others not tell Pence to not certify electon results or not? Did the dufus and others not organize and invite his supporters to the capltal or not? Show me where the FBI said he didn't do as I have said.

Nothing to see here was and still is a lie!

[talaniman]

All of you.
As the old say goes if the hat fits....
Not about point scoring or binary positions.

This hat is a bit tight.