[Wondergirl]

You say you want a discussion. That’s what this is. Disagreement is not negativity.

It wasn't disagreement. It was deliberate negativity. Please be constructive.

And, yes, libraries and library staff have access to their hearts.

[jlisenbe]

It wasn't disagreement. It was deliberate negativity. Please be constructive.

Isn't your statement "deliberate negativity"? Since it plainly is, why aren't you adhering your own standard?

How would you have access to the hearts of those who walked into your library?

[Wondergirl]

Isn't your statement "deliberate negativity"? Since it plainly is, why aren't you adhering your own standard?

Nope, it isn't. This is a teaching moment.

How would you have access to the hearts of those who walked into your library?

Ah, now there's a terrific discussion topic!

[jlisenbe]

Nope, it isn't. This is a teaching moment.

Isn't is strange how when you do it, it's a "teaching moment", but when I do it, it's being "negative"? Giving yourself quite an out there, aren't you? You do realize how suspicious that looks?

Ah, now there's a terrific discussion topic!

[I await your insights.

[Wondergirl]

How would you have access to the hearts of those who walked into your library?

The people who walk into a library are:

[jlisenbe]

Great explanation. (SARC)

[Wondergirl]

Opening up the discussion.... please respond.

Who comes into a library?

[jlisenbe]

I don’t know. What do you think?

[Wondergirl]

I don’t know. What do you think?

I don't think. I know.

[jlisenbe]

I don’t think you know either.

You walked right into that one.

[Wondergirl]

I don’t think you know either.

You think you're tricky, don't you. (I've seen them stream in for almost 30 years.)

[jlisenbe]

You have? And yet you can’t describe them??

That’s very strange.

That’s fine. All you’re doing is asking silly questions anyway. In order to discuss a topic, you need to make statements.

Good night.

[Wondergirl]

Who comes into a library? Anyone. Everyone. People of all ages and for a variety of reasons. Babies, small children, 'tweens, teens, adults of any age, students, teachers, professors, retired adults, elderly or even younger who are disabled and use canes or walkers or wheelchairs. They come in as observers, visitors, patrons, want to make photocopies, work on a public-use computer, do homework, prep their lessons for the next day, volunteer or work off their court-ordered community service hours. They represent a variety of cultures, languages, races. They are homeless, poor, middle-class, wealthy.

[jlisenbe]

Ok. What does that have to do with you being able to see into their hearts?

[Wondergirl]

Ok. What does that have to do with you being able to see into their hearts?

They speak from their heart as they ask reference questions; ask for help finding material to read, watch, research, or listen to (audiobooks); as they check out material (books, DVDs, CDs, etc.) or return those materials.

Library staff are welcoming and are good listeners. People tell us very private and rather amazingly personal things. They open their hearts to us, and we proceed from there.

[jlisenbe]

Sorry, but I just don't believe that you had those heart to heart conversations with all of the people who walked through the doors. 1 out of every 10 maybe, but even then you could not see into their hearts. Partially, perhaps, but certainly not fully. I just think your statement was waayyyy overstated.

If you remember, this is the original statement of yours I questioned. "Once someone opens the front door and walks inside, all grievances disappear." Not only do I not believe it, but I don't think you would have any way of knowing that to begin with. A few of them yes, but anything even approaching all? No way.

I'm sure you had wonderful exchanges with many of them. I wouldn't doubt that at all.

[Wondergirl]

Yes, all grievances disappear. Everyone goes there for a positive reason. And even during conversation as books are checked out or reference questions are answered, there's a human interplay of kindness and sharing, using verbal as well as non-verbal communication.

[jlisenbe]

In some cases yes. In all cases no. You would have no way of even knowing that.

[Athos]

You cannot document what amounts to nothing more than conjecture. It's why I said, "Ill-informed opinion. Nothing more."

I'm encouraged that you are finally beginning to realize that documenting what amounts to nothing is an impossibility and is “nothing more than conjecture”. Perhaps now you can understand what proving a negative means and how it is an impossibility.

The next step in your education is to go back to all the Bible/scripture arguments of yours where you demanded proof of something that never existed. You argued that absence proved your position, but that is not true, The absence of proof is not proof.

For example, your argument that God or Jesus or Tertullian or anyone did NOT say the opposite of what you are claiming proves that your claim is true is, of course, false reasoning. You did that many times.

I do not expect you to fully understand the point. Learning comes in small steps.

The far more important issue is the initial post re white evangelicals. Rather than respond to that post, you took the path of deflection. That is the path of those who cannot or will not respond.

[jlisenbe]

And again, you must document your fairy tales. Until then, they remain just that. Anytime you start a sentence with, "When you said..." then I know the fiction is about to begin.

For your benefit, here is a stellar example of how it works.

Where Athos has plagiarized.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...95#post3873195

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...64#post3875864

The truth here is obvious to everyone. You were caught plagiarizing. Instead of just moving on from it, as it really wasn't that big of a deal, you became angry and have been just throwing out random accusations since then. It's a poor strategy.