[tomder55]

If you watched the trial, self-defense was not close to being proven. Even though the judge has incredibly shown his preference for the defendant, the prosecution proved the charge of murder.

What wasn't proven was the prosecution's case which is what has to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. In fact ,the prosecutor appeared to argue in closing that Kyle was not beaten up enough to warrant defending himself Prosecutor...."This is a bar fight. This is a fistfight...What you don't do is you don't bring a gun to a fistfight."
And then,,,, and I'm not joking ,,,he showed a picture of Patrick Swayze in 'Roadhouse'What a stupid argument ! Did he go to the Roadhouse to suck down some suds before prepare his final arguments ? He even argued that Rittenhouse should have let the mob attack him rather than shooting them .He quoted 'Goodfellas' verbatim..... everybody takes a beating sometime.

Every once in a while, I'd have to take a beating. But by then, I didn't care. The way I saw it, everybody takes a beating sometime. | Quotes with Sound Clips from Goodfellas | Gangster Movie Sound Clips (movie-sounds.org)

The first guy he shot was chasing him, threatened to kill him, and grabbed for his gun. The next guy was swinging a skateboard at him, and the 3rd had a gun pointing at him. All 3 were threatening him.

WG the judge dismissed the illegal gun charges ;and he had as much a 'right' to be there as the BLM rioters .

[jlisenbe]

You have no clue what reason really is.

See what I mean??!

The first guy he shot was chasing him, threatened to kill him, and grabbed for his gun. The next guy was swinging a skateboard at him, and the 3rd had a gun pointing at him. All 3 were threatening him.

It's even been argued here that you don't shoot until first being polite enough to let the other guy shoot at you first. I guess you just have to hope he misses.

[tomder55]

It's even been argued here that you don't shoot until first being polite enough to let the other guy shoot at you first.

Just like in a spaghetti western complete with the Mexican trumpet

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly Final Duel - YouTube

[jlisenbe]

It's the result of people who have no experience with guns or self-defense other than watching movies on television, as well as having a built-in bias against white people who defend themselves against rioters. The kid probably should not have been there to begin with, but he certainly had every right to be there, and once there he had every right to defend himself, especially considering the utter failure of democratic pols to clear the streets of rioters and protect the business owners and peaceful citizens of that city.

The really incredible part of this story, as has been pointed out already, is that after hearing of a white person shooting three other white persons, President Biden somehow concludes he must be a white supremacist. It has become the default comment of liberal pols, that white people they don't agree with (and even some non-whites) are racists and white supremacists. It's the ultimate non-thinking position.

[tomder55]

The really incredible part of this story, as has been pointed out already, is that after hearing of a white person shooting three other white persons, President Biden somehow concludes he must be a white supremacist. It has become the default comment of liberal pols, that white people they don't agree with (and even some non-whites) are racists and white supremacists. It's the ultimate non-thinking position

Jen Bagdad Bob Psaki refused to comment on that yesterday . Quid was doing what he always does like when he called Georgia's voting laws ,that actually favors extended voting ,"Jim Crow on steroids " . He shoots from the lips and then doubles down when called out .

[jlisenbe]

He was plainly acting in self-defense. He did not, as was alleged here earlier, have an "illegal weapon". I just don't see what they think they can convict him of. One witness for the prosecution, the man who was shot in the arm, testified that he was shot AFTER he pointed his weapon at KR. A hateful comment has been directed towards KR by a poster here. It's all plainly a politically driven situation.

[tomder55]

I'm guessing they may have some kind of discharge laws he violated which if guilty will be time served . They haven't come close to establishing anything resembling a so called 'hate crime' or murder of any degree .

This "white supremist" had gone to town to help. First he was cleaning graffiti and then he joined others who were guarding a used car lot .

He was first attacked by Joseph Rosenbaum .Rittenhouse yelled ‘Friendly, friendly, friendly!’. Rosenbaum threw a bag at Rittenhouse and reached for Rittenhouse’s gun. Rittenhouse pulled the trigger and Rosenbaum was killed.

Rittenhouse was then chased by a mob yelling ‘Get him!’. He fell to the ground and was hit by Anthony Huber – swinging a skateboard. Rittenhouse fired at him and killed him.

Caige Grosskreutz pointing a gun was part of the mob advancing towards Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse shot him and injured him. He later turned himself in.

The people who endorse mob rule are looking to persecute the young teen who got caught up in the mob rule. His family lived there so it is a long stretch to say that he crossed state lines looking for trouble . What he wanted to do was help protect the community that his family lives in.

[Wondergirl]

What he wanted to do was help protect the community that his family lives in.

You forgot to mention the medic part....

[jlisenbe]

100% of KR's actions prior to being attacked were legal activities.

One...hundred...percent.

The inept prosecution admitted that the gun KR had was not illegal, so the judge dismissed those charges. If they knew it was not illegal, then why did they charge him? If they did not know, then how unprofessional is that?

[tomder55]

You forgot to mention the medic part

what I forget to mention was the guy he shot at and missed. That would be who was identified as jump kick man' .Jump kick man kicked Rittenhouse while Rittenhouse was on the ground .Rittenhouse shot twice and missed . That was when Huber hit him with the skateboard a 2nd time .

Well Jump kick man was previously unidentified . But prosecutors only informed the defense about his identity Thursday as the trial was wrapping up . He is allegedly Maurice Freeland, a felon with a long criminal history and an open domestic violence charge, Freeland was on the streets rioting the night of the Rittenhouse shootings less than two months after getting a plea deal and probation in a domestic abuse case.



One of the charges is that Rittenhouse put Jump kick man's life in jeopardy. The jury went to deliberations without knowing his name even though the prosecution most assuredly knew his identification and failed to disclose it to the defense or the judge.

[Wondergirl]

what I forget to mention was the guy he shot at and missed. That would be who was identified as jump kick man' .Jump kick man kicked Rittenhouse while Rittenhouse was on the ground .Rittenhouse shot twice and missed . That was when Huber hit him with the skateboard a 2nd time .

Great justification for shooting someone! I'm gonna put aside "Call of Duty" for a while and get my Mauser out of the gun safe and go to Walmart. Anybody gives me grief, watch out!

[jlisenbe]

So now Walmart and a three day riot zone are comparable? Someone cutting in line ahead of you is comparable to two men kicking you in the face and beating you with a skateboard?

Wonder how you'd react if it had been one or your children being beaten and kicked?

I'm just amazed sometimes at how far you go in your efforts to side with the liberal political crowd. Now you are certainly free to express your opinion and that's fine, but to use the insulting moniker you used for KR and to be against someone defending himself against very violent aggression is just plain puzzling.

[Wondergirl]

My justification is the same as Kyle's was. Ya never know what's gonna happen or who's gonna come after you. Gotta be prepared with a big gun! If ya can't scare 'em, shoot 'em!

My children wouldn't have been within 50 miles if such a mess. They would have been at work or in school -- where Kyle should have been.

[jlisenbe]

My justification is the same as Kyle's was. Ya never know what's gonna happen or who's gonna come after you. Gotta be prepared with a big gun! If ya can't scare 'em, shoot 'em!

And again, you are comparing a trip to WM with an experience within a active riot zone. I just think you are five hundred miles from the truth with that.

My children wouldn't have been within 50 miles if such a mess. They would have been at work or in school -- where Kyle should have been.

Whatever happened to your oft-professed admonition to not be judgmental? You sure seem to be putting you and your children in a high and exalted place.

[Wondergirl]

And again, you are comparing a trip to WM with an experience within a active riot zone. I just think you are five hundred miles from the truth with that.

There were stores all around that "active riot scene" that Kyle had NO BUSINESS BEING IN! One story is that he was helping put out a fire in one of those stores. With his AR-15.

Whatever happened to your oft-professed admonition to not be judgmental? You sure seem to be putting you and your children in a high and exalted place.

My sons would have fallen off their chairs laughing if I had suggested they go to a domestic war zone and "help".

[jlisenbe]

There were stores all around that "active riot scene" that Kyle had NO BUSINESS BEING IN! One story is that he was helping put out a fire in one of those stores. With his AR-15.

I would agree that his being there was questionable, but he had every right to be there. He did nothing that was illegal, and you have shown nothing that would make him guilty of murder or that would suggest he was not entitled to defend himself. The real failure was that of liberal dem pols who allowed the riots to continue unopposed for several days. Even you refer to it as a domestic war zone. What was really needed was a mayor and governor who were committed to law and order and not just sitting on their backporch rocking while a city was burned by illegal thugs. It was yet another failure of liberal dem pols.

My sons would have fallen off their chairs laughing if I had suggested they go to a domestic war zone and "help".

Yep. Mighty high and exalted, and too much so to risk life and limb to be helpful to people who really needed it? Your point is that you and your sons were wonderful people relative to that animal KR, but do you think he would call you a hateful name the way you did to him? Does that lower you a bit?

[Wondergirl]

I would agree that his being there was questionable, but he had every right to be there. He did nothing that was illegal, and you have shown nothing that would make him guilty of murder or that would suggest he was not entitled to defend himself.

Kyle was 17 and had NO BUSINESS being there. Full stop.

Yep. Mighty high and exalted, and too much so to risk life and limb to be helpful to people who really needed it? Your point is that you and your sons were wonderful people relative to that animal KR, but do you think he would call you a hateful name the way you did to him? Does that lower you a bit?

Do you embroider doilies too?

[jlisenbe]

Kyle was 17 and had NO BUSINESS being there. Full stop.

Probably a fair statement. Still, he is not guilty of murder, and he had a complete legal right to be there and defend himself.

Do you embroider doilies too?

Nice try at diversion, but it won't work. You called him a hateful name and were intensely judgmental. And you won't address either one which is also sad. Do you really consider yourself to be such a superior person to KR?

When he is found not guilty, will you be critical of the BLM and Antifa folks if they try to burn Kenosha a second time? Will your political allegiances allow for that?

[tomder55]

I'd say that rioters and assailants Maurice Freeland, Joseph Rosenbaum ,Anthony Huber and Caige Grosskreutz had less right in that they were there doing an illegal act that Rittenhouse needed to defend himself against .

Note that Wisonsin Guv Evers called out the National Guard in anticipation of a verdict . He is not really concerned about the possibility of a guilty verdict . Rittenhouse supporters would mumble about the injustice and peacefully leave. He is worried about an acquittal and how the lefty mob would react. .
When the mob dictates law and order there is no law and order .Clearly the left's prescription is to let the mob rule the streets .

[Wondergirl]

Probably a fair statement. Still, he is not guilty of murder, and he had a complete legal right to be there and defend himself.

The moral overrides legal. He wouldn't have had to "defend himself" had he been at home in Illinois.

Nice try at diversion, but it won't work. You called him a hateful name and were intensely judgmental.

And you accept and have no problem with the hateful names "Madam Mim" and "Sleepy Joe" and "Kam the Sham"?