[Wondergirl]

How do you know that?

It's a proven fact.

What a low, dim view you have of Central Americans, that they are so dumb and backwards that they can't understand the process of applying for a visa. Wow. I'd suggest you give them more credit than that.

Please travel to Guatemala, then report back to us. I'm betting over half the population doesn't even know what a visa is.

[jlisenbe]

How do you know that?



It's a proven fact.

I've learned that when a liberal on this board says, "Oh, it's a proven fact," it means they have no evidence at all to back up the issue under discussion.

Please travel to Guatemala, then report back to us. I'm betting over half the population doesn't even know what a visa is.

You've traveled to Guatemala and you know this?

[Wondergirl]

The poverty rate in Guatemala is very high. According to the World Bank, 59.3% of the population lives below the poverty line. In addition, 23% live in extreme poverty. The indigenous people in Guatemala are most affected by poverty.

[jlisenbe]

I have been to Guatemala. The people I met, which were the rural poor, were poor but far from stupid. I have no doubt they can understand what a "visa" is.

[tomder55]

I completely disagree about their inability to comprehend the concept of needing visas to emigrate. If they could not get into the US without proper visas, they would come to understand it rapidly.

[jlisenbe]

"Nearly half of voters say Biden worse president than expected, most don't want to see him run again: poll

Biden's approval rating in a new poll is in line with where Trump was 4 years ago, but his disapproval numbers are far worse."


"Among the topline numbers, according to USA Today/Suffolk University, are a 37.8% approval rating for Biden with a 59% disapproval – more than 21 points underwater. Forty-six percent of those included in the survey said Biden has done a worse job than expected, and 64% said they don't want Biden to run for reelection."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...infrastructure

[tomder55]

I take polls with a grain of salt. Harry Truman at times has polling in the low 20s.


Here is the difference. While Trump's numbers dropped during the non-stop compliant press blitz of the Russia hoax and their misrepresentation of his remarks about Charlottesville; the compliant press runs cover for Quid.

[jlisenbe]

Biden's latest gaffe. "President Biden referred to the late baseball player Satchel Paige as "the great negro" before correcting himself during his Veterans Day address at Arlington National Cemetery on Thursday."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...at-negro-gaffe

[tomder55]

So, the EU has a terrible migration issue. Thousands of migrants are camped out in the forests of Belarus. Belarus (a state essentially controlled by Putin through his stooge Alexander Lukashenko) has been forcing the migrants to bum rush the border with Poland. The EU position to date has been of the bleeding-heart variety. They accepted over a million migrants during the height of the Syrian civil war. Now there is a popular back lash right at the time when illegal migration is surging due to Russian interference.
Russia Sends Warplanes to Belarus Amid Fight With EU Over Migrants - WSJ

So, what is the solution?

Build a wall. That is the EU plan.

The European Council is asking its executive branch, the European Commission, to create legal arrangements to allow the EU to finance border walls and other immediate measures in response to what they said is a hybrid attack. Poland, Lithuania and Latvia have begun fencing off their borders and declared states of emergency, not waiting for EU action.
Twelve EU governments said in an open letter last month that a physical barrier appeared to be effective border protection that served the EU, and advocated EU funding.
Dozen ministers want EU to finance border walls (euobserver.com)

Why a wall? Because walls work.

[jlisenbe]

Yep. If walls didn't work, they wouldn't be in widespread use all over the world.

[Wondergirl]

Yep. If walls didn't work, they wouldn't be in widespread use all over the world.

Naw, just mow down those people with automatic weapons. That'll teach 'em!

[jlisenbe]

How many do you have living in your house?

[Wondergirl]

How many do you have living in your house?

My house is very small, I'm housebound/wheelchairbound, and my husband and son have Asperger's. Years ago, when the Vietnamese refugees arrived in this country, our church sponsored three families. I was very active helping them get settled in, learn English and American ways of doing things, and tutored their children.

If I were younger and mobile, I'd be the first in line to help the current batch of refugees and immigrants.

[jlisenbe]

So the answer is none. That's my observation of the typical liberal solution to this. "Let them come in and be a burden on someone else. Ship em to Florida." I don't mean that to sound harsh, but rather to point out that your position would be a great deal more meaningful if you had a family in a spare bedroom, or even in a rented travel trailer in the backyard.

[Wondergirl]

So the answer is none.

How many live at your house?

[jlisenbe]

None. That's one reason why I feel very comfortable in advocating for a wall, and in not compelling my fellow Americans to tolerate this pathetic policy playing out on the southern border. I don't feel like a hypocrite. If I WAS advocating for such policies, I would feel very uncomfortable about it.

[tomder55]

I have never had a legal or illegal immigrant live in my home. I have hired hindreds of legal immigrants and was happy to do so.

The question of whether walls work or don't is a silly one. Clearly they do or prisons would not have them. Yeah, there may be the occasional escape. But that is the exception.

It is much easier to deal with the breaches then to have a lawless border; which appears to be the Quid policy.

[Wondergirl]

The question of whether walls work or don't is a silly one. Clearly they do or prisons would not have them.

How long is a prison wall? (1254 miles?) In an unpopulated desert area? Are there tens of thousands of prisoners inside those walls?

[jlisenbe]

The point was that walls unquestionably work.

[Wondergirl]

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The point was that walls unquestionably work.

No, they don't. Not on the southern border. They have been successfully scaled, burrowed under, and gotten around (even by kids).