[Wondergirl]

I believe in its saving truths but I don't believe the hills clapped their hands (and I don't think you do either, JL) In other words, the Bible is a masterwork of poetry, narrative, genealogy, law, wisdom literature, poetry, Gospel teachings, letters (epistles), prophecy, history, apocalyptic literature.

[Wondergirl]

Isn't it amazing how we print/borrow money for anything and everything EXCEPT educational testing.

And educational testing has become a joke. As is the push toward college.

[jlisenbe]

But I don't want to hijack Tom's post. If you want to move this to another thread, I'll participate there. (the religious discussion)

And educational testing has become a joke.

Why do you say that?

As is the push toward college.

In some cases I would agree. Engineering, medicine, or business can be good majors. Much of the social sciences is a waste of time.

[tomder55]

In defense of SOME of the social sciences; they taught me critical thinking and how to research. Those tools were valuable to me in the profession I chose even if my career was technically not in the field I studied. So, my studies were worth the price I paid for them.

But that is the rub. At the cost of admission now, I would not council anyone to study any discipline without having a long-term career plan before taking the plunge.

The public policy should be to reduce the costs of higher education. That means like it or not, less public intervention.

[jlisenbe]

Some of the social science courses are no doubt useful, but those disciplines are now overrun with woke profs who peddle ideology more than useful truth. Women's studies, minority studies, CRT classes, and many sociology and psychology disciplines were more of what I was discussing. Certainly economics can be useful.

Completely agree that the cost of college MUST be targeted. We should also limit Pell grants to useful degrees and actively discourage young people from running up massive debt in pursuit of questionable areas of study.

[talaniman]

Sounds like discrimination and badmouthing those things you deem unimportant. Par for the course my conservative brothers. Your zeal to ramp up your own efforts of social ideology are quite obvious.

[Wondergirl]

WG -- As is the push toward college.

In some cases I would agree. Engineering, medicine, or business can be good majors. Much of the social sciences is a waste of time.

As I've said on this site before, vocational guidance must be encouraged. Many jobs don't demand a college education or might demand only a certificate e.g., in health care, library work, sociology/psychology, etc. that can be obtained in, say, 15 months at a community college. Or perhaps doing an apprenticeship alongside an electrician or plumber or mechanic will be what one wants and needs to light up a career path.

[jlisenbe]

There are many possibilities indeed.

[talaniman]

So much for hopes and dreams. Eating and sleeping is hard enough. Babysitters ain't cheap either, even if it is proud grandma(pa), who may have to eat and sleep themselves. Bummer when another mofo is making you choose what they want you to do!

[tomder55]

Kam the Sham's hubby Doug Emhoff compared parents who confront school boards over curriculum as Nazis during the holocaust .

"I met one woman who was saved in the Holocaust in Germany, settled in Ukraine, and is now a refugee again back in Berlin," Emhoff recounted. "Hate is interconnected. You see it in the discourse in the country right now. You see it in the divide that we have. Just going to school meetings, you see that hate that is out there."

Doug Emhoff invokes Holocaust on frustrated parents at school board meetings: 'Hate' | U.S. & World | gazette.com

He and Kam are the pair .

[jlisenbe]

Emhoff also stressed that he wants "more Kamala Harrises" in government and the military, calling for increased diversity and representation for women.

Increased diversity is called for, otherwise more accurately known as quotas. It's just diversity for the sake of diversity, with no thought given to any advantages or disadvantages it might cause.