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    Sep 26, 2021, 05:36 AM
    Biden Wrong...Again.
    "To see people treated like they did, horses barely running over, people being strapped – it's outrageous," Biden said, making a whipping motion with his hand. "I promise you, those people will pay. There will be an investigation underway now and there will be consequences. There will be consequences."
    On the heels of his stellar performance in directing the disaster known as the Afghan withdrawal, Biden is now making outrageous accusations against Border Patrol agents. The only slight problem with Biden's statement is that none of it is true. The agents in question did not run over anyone with their horses and did not whip or "strap" anyone. It's just another shameful episode of a liberal dem trying to gain political leverage by falsely accusing law enforcement officials. It's perhaps even more outrageous that he didn't bother to take the time to find out the truth before opening his mouth. Maybe he knew the truth but saw a political opportunity and couldn't resist it?

    I can only hope the two agents, both of whom were shifted to desk duty, can file suit against Biden for slander.

    Border Patrol stunned as Biden goes to war with his own agents over false 'whipping' allegations | Fox News
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    Sep 26, 2021, 09:08 AM
    Those photos and videos I saw of border agents on horseback snapping their reins at refugees who couldn't get out of the river because those same men on horseback herded them back into the water were fake?
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    Sep 26, 2021, 11:31 AM
    You didn't see any photos showing what you claim. Even the photographer has said there was no whipping or "strapping" of anyone.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 11:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You didn't see any photos showing what you claim. Even the photographer has said there was no whipping or "strapping" of anyone.
    Big photo on the front page of our Chicago newspaper belies that. Watch the videos!

    Btw, those were especially long reins, probably for a carriage horse, put on a saddle horse for that very purpose, to lash people. I grew up riding horses at friends' farms and in Girl Scouts. Normal reins aren't that long.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 12:41 PM
    If you have any support for those ideas, then post them.

    Do you know what "split reins" are?
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    Sep 26, 2021, 01:12 PM
    Why do you suppose the photographer who took the pictures you are relying on does not support Biden's conclusions?
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    Sep 26, 2021, 01:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you have any support for those ideas, then post them.
    You always spit on any links I provide. Please google videos on your own. They're easily found.
    Do you know what "split reins" are?
    These were not split reins!

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    Why do you suppose the photographer who took the pictures you are relying on does not support Biden's conclusions?
    The photographer is lying. No idea what his agenda is. It was pure intimidation toward the Haitians.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 02:12 PM
    You always spit on any links I provide. Please google videos on your own. They're easily found.
    Smoke screens. They always make me suspicious.

    These were not split reins!
    Read and learn. BTW, this is how you provide support for your statements.

    KTSM Anchor Christina Aguayo and Photojournalist Johnny Munoz were in Del Rio investigating the incident and found that even though most of the headlines say that Border Patrol Agents were using whips to threaten and intimidate the migrants, Ranchers and horse experts in Del Rio disagree.
    According to a sixth generation Rancher, Kerr Wardlaw, the Border Patrol Agents were using something called split reins in order to have more control their horse. Wardlaw said that agents also use the tail end of the reins to help with quickly move the horse from left to right.
    Wardlaw explained that the agents who appeared to be swinging their reins in the air were actually using their reins as a tool, to quickly move the rear end of the horse from left to right. He said that the agents were using non-lethal force by using their horses as tools.
    Warldaw also said that one of his friends who works in Border Patrol revealed that the agent in the video reached for the migrant only after that migrant tried to gain control of the horse, which if gained, could have been very dangerous. The rancher asserts that the agent could have been seriously hurt.
    Fact check: The ropes in the pictures are called "reins" — in this case, split reins, and they are being used to control the horse — among other things, to ensure that the 1,000-pound horse does not trample the migrant.
    Fake News: Ignorant media confuse horse reins with 'whips' - American Thinker

    Horse expert explains Border Patrol tactics on Haitian migrants (ktsm.com)



    The photographer is lying. No idea what his agenda is.
    Hmm. He was there. You were not. But since he does not gobble up the liberal dem description like you do, then he just has to be lying?
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    Sep 26, 2021, 02:22 PM
    Build a wall...solve problem.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 02:26 PM
    Bullfeathers! Those guards, being high up on horses and using those long reins (ha ha, to control the horses) were being used as threats and to intimidate the Haitians. Why are the Haitians' arms raised to protect their faces? From what? Horse flies?

    Put yourself in their place. (It's called empathizing.) And thank God you weren't born in Haiti.

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    Build a wall...solve problem.
    Nope. Welcome them to the U.S. and make sure they become acclimated like we did with the Vietnamese in the '70s.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 02:38 PM
    You know more about it than an expert and the photographer who was there? Oh well. You didn’t even recognize split reins when you saw them.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 02:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You know more about it than an expert and the photographer who was there? Oh well. You didn’t even recognize split reins when you saw them.
    Apparently, you have no clue. After all, since you believe everything that bursts forth from Trump's et al. mouths....
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    Sep 26, 2021, 02:56 PM
    No one mentioned Trump but you. It’s the fall-back position of the liberal when her arguments fall apart. Maybe you at least learned what split reins are now.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 03:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No one mentioned Trump but you. It’s the fall-back position of the liberal when her arguments fall apart. Maybe you at least learned what split reins are now.
    No one EVER mentions liberal except for you. It's the fall-back position of the conservative when his arguments fall apart. I sure hope you find out what split reins are and what those border guards were REALLY using!
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    Sep 26, 2021, 03:25 PM
    Stop being a copy cat and come up with something original. The truth would be a good place to start. Admitting you have no idea what split reins are would be a good step as well. Admitting you are wrong about the BP's (Border Patrol, not border guards) would be a great second step.

    Note: Please have an original response instead of just copying me.

    For your benefit. Using Split Reins - YouTube I don't know if this man can say, " I grew up riding horses at friends' farms and in Girl Scouts," so you'll have an advantage there. [SARC]

    Another. split reins vs solid rein - YouTube

    Normal reins aren't that long.
    Exactly!! Now you're catching on.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 03:33 PM
    Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers for by doing that some have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. —Hebrews 13:1-2

    In this passage and a few others (Romans 12:13; 1 Peter 4:9; 3 John 1:5-8), hospitality is held up as a mark of those who follow Jesus. The church was to support one another, including strangers who came to worship with them. Then and now the church should be a welcoming community. Like we were with the Vietnamese after the Tet Offensive.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 03:38 PM
    Uhm...the Border Patrol is not part of the church. Just sayin.

    And besides, wouldn't you just say that's cherry picking and proof texting?
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    Sep 26, 2021, 03:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Stop being a copy cat and come up with something original. The truth would be a good place to start.
    They had no intention of controlling their horses. Their fears and need to control were all about the Haitians who were simply returning from Mexico with food and supplies for their families.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 03:42 PM
    Sorry, but after claiming they were not using split reins, your remarks kind of lose credibility. And you have no idea what those agents were doing.
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    Sep 26, 2021, 03:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Sorry, but after claiming they were not using split reins, your remarks kind of lose credibility. And you have no idea what those agents were doing.
    Watch. The. Videos!

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