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    #221

    Nov 30, 2021, 12:15 PM
    I'm not sure what your point is. I never disagreed with your post. The issue was a statement that all fiction is fiction and there are no "levels". DW disagreed with that and I was supporting his position.
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    #222

    Nov 30, 2021, 12:20 PM
    DW is incorrect ("Historical novels may or may not include fictional elements.") Historical novels ALWAYS include fictional elements. That's why they are shelved in the fiction collection, not in the 900s.
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    #223

    Nov 30, 2021, 12:23 PM
    I was referring to this comment by DW. "And you're mistaken about fiction, as any historical novel proves." He was responding to the idea that fiction has no "levels".
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    #224

    Nov 30, 2021, 12:39 PM
    Fiction has no levels.
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    #225

    Nov 30, 2021, 12:49 PM
    We just established it does. Starwars is a great deal more fictional than All Quiet on the Western Front.
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    #226

    Nov 30, 2021, 12:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    We just established it does. Starwars is a great deal more fictional than All Quiet on the Western Front.
    All Quiet is not fiction; it's historical fiction.

    Name other fiction "levels".
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    #227

    Nov 30, 2021, 01:12 PM
    All Quiet is not fiction; it's historical fiction.
    Correct. Its a different "level" of fiction. Thank you for establishing that. "Fiction is fiction" is not a correct statement.
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    #228

    Nov 30, 2021, 01:15 PM
    There are no "levels". They are called genres, categories.

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    #229

    Nov 30, 2021, 01:38 PM
    Some are entirely based on fiction. Others are only partly so. It is plainly levels.
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    #230

    Nov 30, 2021, 01:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Some are entirely based on fiction. Others are only partly so. It is plainly levels.
    Nope. I'm traditionally published and a librarian. NEVER have I heard the term "fiction levels".
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    #231

    Nov 30, 2021, 01:57 PM
    But the concept is plain and clear. Some books just are plainly more fictional than others. Good grief.

    BTW, no one has suggested that "levels" is a term. It is the concept that is being discussed.
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    #232

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:03 PM
    There is no such word -- or concept -- in fiction writing or reading.
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    #233

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:05 PM
    It's pretty clear.
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    #234

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:06 PM
    Only to you.
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    #235

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:09 PM
    To anyone who actually thinks about it, it's very clear. To those who only want to argue, it's not. But you are welcome to your ideas. That's fine.
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    #236

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:15 PM
    Ask any librarian. Ask any fiction author. Yes, you are welcome to your ideas. Free country and all.
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    #237

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:17 PM
    Ask anyone who wants to think a little.
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    #238

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:18 PM
    ...just a little.
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    #239

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:27 PM
    Yep. That's all it takes. Kind of amazing. It's like asking if there are degrees of beauty, hate, love, wisdom, stupidity, immorality, and a thousand other subjects which are clearly capable of being less or more. Sorry, but fiction is plainly one of them.
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    #240

    Nov 30, 2021, 02:31 PM
    Now you're talking "degrees," not "levels".

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