[Wondergirl]

lol

Just wait! In about two weeks, far too many vaccinated but unmasked Lollapaloosa (Chicago, this weekend) attendees will be testing positive.

[jlisenbe]

So think about what you're saying. "Far too many vaccinated but unmasked...attendees will be testing positive." Considering that masking does but little to prevent Covid, then the vaccine must not be so effective?? Well, the good news is this. If that turns out to be true, all the liberal dems on this board will immediately begin to call it the Trump vaccine.

[Wondergirl]

Considering that masking does but little to prevent Covid,

Masking prevents the variants from causing grief.

[jlisenbe]

Marginally. It's practically impossible to find a study that says wearing masks does much more than a little to stop the spread of Covid UNLESS it's an N-95 mask which practically no one wears.

[Athos]

lol

No deaths, few hospitalizations, but 74% of those testing positive for COVID-19 in Cape Cod outbreak were vaccinated (msn.com)

Your link shows that the delta variant is so dangerous that even those vaccinated can transmit the disease. Deaths among those were non-existent. The number who were asymptomatic was very low.

And you think this is funny?

What's funny is that you can't even read your own link to get the facts. And that you expect the readers to conclude something nefarious by posting only the link with an idiotic lol.

Nobody's laughing.

The best way to defeat the disease is, as everybody but you knows by now, is GET VACCINATED.

[paraclete]

Back to the original question; perhaps it is that people have woken to the dangers of the new technology in vaccines, the catastrophic long term after effects from these untested drugs rushed into manufacture to deal with a disease that is no worse than the flu we have been existing with for years. Yes, it is a pandemic, wide spread infections and many deaths but the death rate from this disease is no worse than the death rate from the flu, it is just the medical profession are running scared because the hospital systems cannot deal with the number of infections presenting

[Wondergirl]

Back to the original question; perhaps it is that people have woken to the dangers of the new technology in vaccines, the catastrophic long term after effects from these untested drugs

The coronavirus is not at all unknown to scientists and medical professionals. It's the variants that are causing so much of the problem. I think we're at variant Lambda now, a new mutation.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...cid=uxbndlbing

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...6cu-story.html

[paraclete]

And the SARs we have been vaccinated against for years has new variants every year and it goes on killing people. Yes the answer is vaccination, but with a vaccine that doesn't have long term side effects. Who knows perhaps being vaccinated will usher in the mark of the beast, where only the vaccinated can move freely and transact business. The plans for a vaccination passport are a thinly disguised move

[Athos]

Yes, it is a pandemic, wide spread infections and many deaths but the death rate from this disease is no worse than the death rate from the flu,

Deaths from COVID-19 are far worse than deaths from the flu. COVID 605,000 deaths and counting compared to about 35,000 on average for the last several years for the flu.

[jlisenbe]

We must be getting better at treating the disease. Three states to look at are South Dakota, Alabama, and Florida. All three have been experiencing serious spikes in confirmed cases, but relatively few deaths. In SD, active cases are up somewhat, but there have been no deaths in over two months, so we are clearly learning how to manage cases better. In the long run, vaccinations and efficient med treatments for those who do get ill could be the answer. Considering that the vaccination is turning out to be far from 100% effective, it would seem clear that vaccinations alone will not be the complete answer. Reducing the number of cases to manageable levels and finding effective treatments is likely the best we can hope for, which is essentially what Tom has been saying.

[tomder55]

74 percent of the 469 cases in an outbreak in Barnstable County, Mass., following the July 4 weekend were in vaccinated people . But you still believe in the vaccine panacea . The relevent information is that few patients were hospitalized and none died.

[jlisenbe]

Strangely, it would seem that the non-vaxed people in Barnstable were less likely to become infected. At any rate, I imagine part of what we are seeing is that once we get vaccinated, we start getting bolder. I know I have. You kind of feel armor-plated.

[tomder55]

There is no doubt that the vaccines have been effective to a degree . The real question is for how long ? The Israeli's have the most effective vaccination program in the world . But now they are going to initiate a booster program for the most vulnerable.
Eventually we will come to the realization that the only way to deal with an endemic virus is to protect the vulnerable and to let the rest of the people get on with their lives .

[tomder55]

Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes, it is a pandemic, wide spread infections and many deaths but the death rate from this disease is no worse than the death rate from the flu,



Deaths from COVID-19 are far worse than deaths from the flu. COVID 605,000 deaths and counting compared to about 35,000 on average for the last several years for the flu.

The Spanish Flu infected a third of the world killing millions . Various mutations of it(H1N1) still exist and infect people today with a new strain every season. Some are more problematic than others(remember the 1968 pandemic ? No ? That's because so many other more interesting things were happening that year ) . Over time a virus becomes less deadly because the Darwinian science says it is not in the interest of the virus to kill off it's hosts .

[paraclete]

Darwinian science, Darwin was not a "scientist" none of his theories can be proven in the scientific manner

[jlisenbe]

Darwin was not a "scientist" none of his theories can be proven in the scientific manner

Wrong and wrong. His observations about adaptations and natural selection, for instance, can very easily be observed to be true. They are so clearly true that basically no one argues against them. I don't agree with his major premise, but fair is fair.

[Athos]

Eventually we will come to the realization that the only way to deal with an endemic virus is to protect the vulnerable and to let the rest of the people get on with their lives .

The only way to deal effectively with the COVID pandemic is to get vaccinated. Those who refuse endanger everyone else. I have no idea why you're so blind on this issue, tomder.

[jlisenbe]

Those who refuse endanger everyone else.

Flatly untrue. If the vaccine is effective, then those who are vaccinated are not endangered at all. If the vaccine is not effective, then your statement simply falls apart. Either way, it is NOT TRUE. I'm all for the vaccine, but it is not, by itself, a complete answer.

This alone clearly demonstrates that. "74 percent of the 469 cases in an outbreak in Barnstable County, Mass., following the July 4 weekend were in vaccinated people." So about 350 vaccinated people caught Covid and were, at that point, quite capable of passing it on to someone else. Thus they, "endanger everyone else".

[tomder55]

If we believe public policy; (which is different from science ); then we are being told by the suggestion that vaxed people should also wear masks ;that the vaxed do endanger others . There have been 350 million jabs in the US .Another 35 million have gotten covid and have antibodies . What we don't know yet is how long immunity from the virus and the jab lasts .

You want to know what public policy would be the most effective to controlling the virus ? Stopping the flow of illegals crossing the borders . Quid is keeping the travel ban. Why doesn't he close the border too ? What makes it even more hypocritical is that vaxed Canadians cannot enter the US . But thousands of unscreened people cross the border .Over 1 million apprehensions of illegal aliens this year already . Detainees are tested after they are transferred to other locations ,bringing the virus across the border with them . Covid cases are surging in detention centers and one can only imaging how many successfully crossed with out being detained .

[jlisenbe]

Stopping the flow of illegals crossing the borders .

Remember that Commissar...er, Vice President Harris is now in charge of the southern border, so I'm sure that in just a few more decades she'll have it all under control.