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    Jul 13, 2021, 06:23 PM
    Viva Cuba Libre !
    The US must back the people of Cuba against the Castro junta Communist tyranny .

    And don't believe the lies coming out of Washington by enablers like Bolshevik Bernie who blames US sanctions ,or members of the Quid Administration who are saying that the people are protesting a lack of covid vaccines .
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    Jul 13, 2021, 06:33 PM
    Another American war. You just can't help yourselves. Is this why you exited the entanglement of Afghanistan? to put your young men at risk again? Let the Cubans do it alone otherwise China might feel they have to defend communism and broaden the conflict.

    Cuba has given the lie to american aggression in the Caribbean for decades and what you want is the return of a mafia run country?
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    Jul 14, 2021, 02:19 AM
    I said nothing about involving US troops . I said nothing about a return to the Batista dictatorship .What I did say was that the US must back the people of Cuba .
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    Jul 14, 2021, 05:13 AM
    How? another Bay of Pigs? perhaps you can empty Miami of hispanics and transport them back to Cuba, solves two problems at the same time
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    Jul 14, 2021, 05:20 AM
    Mr. Negativity at work again. Just vocal support would help a lot. Funneling in some secret money to assist the protestors? Cheering for the possible freedom of the Cuban people? Portraying the protestors as the good guys?
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    Jul 14, 2021, 05:50 AM
    or we could live on our isolated island and say that nothing else that happens in the world is our concern . Throw another prawn on the barbie .
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    Jul 14, 2021, 03:57 PM
    For your information, we don't barbq prawns that was a myth created for american tourists. I'm all for Cuban liberation but like the last time it must be the Cubans who do it for themselves. They became communists with your help and they should throw off the yoke without it
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    Jul 15, 2021, 05:03 AM
    What the Cubans don't need is a redux of the emperor's policies . He spent a lot of American resources propping up the Castro commies . He blamed the US for the plight of the people and worked to ease international pressure on the regime.

    Quid and the Dems appear to be wedded to that same policy . Numerous statements by the Quids fell way short of supporting the people . They again blamed US policies ;said the people were protesting about covid even though the people were on the streets shouting 'liberdad' .

    The Castro/Diaz-Canel junta have taken their cue and are doing the brutal takedown of the protests . The Quid regime is silent on that .
    btw ;the recent economic issues of the island relate to the loss of revenue from Venezuela and a bad sugar harvest .....well that and 60 years of communist mismanagement of the economy ;the building up of foreign debt ,and uncontrolled inflation.

    BLM blames America too . They are also in solidarity with the communist dictatorship. They took time off of their busy schedule of shaking down corporations and purchasing mansions to tweet that it was the US fault and praised the regime .

    (21) Sabrina Rodríguez on Twitter: "Black Lives Matter has released a statement on Cuba: https://t.co/NgnT1o1oZE" / Twitter

    They say that Cuba supports Blacks because they harbor Assata Shakur ;(aka JoAnne Chesimard ) who is an accomplice in the 1973 brutal murder of NJ policeman Werner Foerster .

    Quid's DHS director Alejandro Mayorkas has said the US will not take Cuban refugees . If he blocks them it will be the only nation's people that the Quid regime has denied entry . Mayorkas family fled Cuba in 1960 .
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    Jul 15, 2021, 07:09 AM
    Circles
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    Jul 15, 2021, 07:29 AM
    yep circles . Dems repeatedly praise the Cuban dictatorship ;then when pressure builds gives milquetoast lip service support to the protesters right to protest . They did the same thing in Iran in 2009 when the regime was on the brink.

    Bolshevik Bernie and the Squad support the regime ,and more Dems by their silence give cover for the regime .
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    Jul 15, 2021, 08:07 PM
    No doubt Cuba has problems, the whole of the Caribbean has problems but just because it is the pond in your back garden doesn't mean you should interfere
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    Jul 16, 2021, 02:07 AM
    Self determination is only possible when people have the means and ability to self rule . When they live under the jackboot of dictatorship then they need assistance ;just like the American colonists received during our revolution .

    I'm not saying American military power should be exercised . There are many ways to assist . (ie air drop and smuggle in sat. phones the bypass Cuba's internet blackout ) But first there has be a will to give assistance to the people and not support the tyranny they live under . The Dems want to interfere by propping up the regime because it's failure is an indictment on all they believe about a state managed society .
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    Jul 16, 2021, 04:50 AM
    If we can provide non-military assistance to the Cuban people in throwing off this tyranny, then we should begin today.
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    Jul 16, 2021, 06:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Self determination is only possible when people have the means and ability to self rule . When they live under the jackboot of dictatorship then they need assistance ;just like the American colonists received during our revolution .

    .
    Tom the Dominican republic freed themselves without your help, It was convenient for the French to help you, since you were fighting the British.

    The Demonrats only have to look to China to see what a well managed state run society can become, perhaps it is what they want for you, or they could look to Venezuela to see what failure looks like
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    Jul 16, 2021, 06:33 AM
    well managed state run society
    Try going into China and criticizing that "well managed state run society". See how long they allow that to go on.
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    Jul 16, 2021, 06:50 AM
    a well managed state run society
    you mean a Potemkin culture . They really have you bamboozled . If you put the facade of a village in front of a concentration camp ,it is still a concentration camp.
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    Jul 16, 2021, 07:58 AM
    The funny thing is this. Wasn't it just a couple of months ago that Clete was posting about how China was going to cause problems for Australia because of the situation in Taiwan, and imploring the rest of the world to come alongside them and help?

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...08#post3870308
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    Jul 16, 2021, 03:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you mean a Potemkin culture . They really have you bamboozled . If you put the facade of a village in front of a concentration camp ,it is still a concentration camp.
    you guys really are out of sarcasm meters over there

    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The funny thing is this. Wasn't it just a couple of months ago that Clete was posting about how China was going to cause problems for Australia because of the situation in Taiwan, and imploring the rest of the world to come alongside them and help?

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...08#post3870308
    Half facts again the situation arose because we called for an inquiry into the origins of covid, yes, we asked for solidarity in the face of aggression and we got it, fat lot of good it did as noone announced sanctions against China
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    Jul 16, 2021, 06:04 PM
    No sanctions against that well managed state run society? Imagine that.
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    Jul 16, 2021, 08:06 PM
    Yes I can't imagine why you are still harassing them, sailing through their waters and objecting to the concentration (sorry, reeducation) camps and to think they are so thin skinned that they can't be questioned about the origins of a pandemic. If you had asked the question they would have ignored you as they do with everything

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