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    #21

    Jul 4, 2021, 10:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Another states right advocate that wants a weak central government instead of the intended equal branches of government with separation of powers. Checks and balances.
    A house divided against itself cannot prosper, your founding fathers should have been familiar with this principle and they used it when forming the Constitution
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    Jul 5, 2021, 05:06 AM
    a weak central government instead of the intended equal branches of government with separation of powers.
    False dichotomy. Conservatives want BOTH a small, efficient fed government AND the appropriate use of separation of powers. One does not rule out the other.
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    #23

    Jul 5, 2021, 08:22 AM
    I have to question the premise of a small AND efficient central government with the capacity to deal with complex national issues of a huge nation.
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    Jul 26, 2021, 06:08 AM
    Virtually all of Europe and almost all developed countries require in-person voters to use photo IDs to vote. Indeed, out of Europe’s 47-countries, only the United Kingdom hasn’t required photo IDs to vote in their entire country, but that is about to change. Similar in-person rules exist for most developed countries. The vast majority of countries ban absentee ballots for people living in their country. While some point out that eight of Europe’s 47-countries allow for proxy voting, where you can designate someone to vote on your behalf, the safe-guards used to prevent fraud are generally far more stringent than used for absentee ballots in the US. Other countries have discovered widespread voter fraud when safeguards are not used. They also understand that relying on conviction counts is unlikely to catch the vast majority of fraud that occurs. The question is: why is the US so unique in terms of not guarding against vote fraud?
    Why Do Most Countries Require Photo Voter IDs?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems by John R. Lott :: SSRN
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    #25

    Jul 26, 2021, 03:50 PM
    You left us out in your remarks, Tom, I have never had to show a voter ID to vote. We identify ourselves on the roll of registered voters and are marked off. We are also able to lodge an absentee ballot at any principal polling place and to lodge an early ballot
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    #26

    Jul 26, 2021, 03:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I have never had to show a voter ID to vote. We identify ourselves on the roll of registered voters and are marked off.
    Why information is there to prove you are you?
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    #27

    Jul 26, 2021, 04:30 PM
    they have a law that everyone of age must vote . So they don't give a hoot about the concept of eligible voters .
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    #28

    Jul 26, 2021, 04:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    they have a law that everyone of age must vote . So they don't give a hoot about the concept of eligible voters .
    I didn't know you're from Australia, tomder!
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    #29

    Jul 26, 2021, 08:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    they have a law that everyone of age must vote . So they don't give a hoot about the concept of eligible voters .
    Sure they do. They have to watch out for those dangerous three-year-olds. You know, the ones that rigged the 2020 election in the US? Trump has ABSOLUTE proof of what they did. Everybody knows he has it.
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    #30

    Jul 26, 2021, 08:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    they have a law that everyone of age must vote . So they don't give a hoot about the concept of eligible voters .
    Everyone here is eligible, even, since 1954, the aborigines. No racial discrimination, no stuffing about or stuffing ballot boxes. But to be on the roll you must register and notify a change of address. Really the only thing that might disqualify you is being of no fixed abode, ie, homeless. We have simplified the process to ensure there is due process and universal suffrage and no political interference
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    #31

    Jul 26, 2021, 08:44 PM
    You have said before that everyone of legal age is required to vote. Isn’t that the case?
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    Jul 26, 2021, 09:13 PM
    Yes, you must be a citizen, of course, not an unnaturalised migrant, and you will be fined if you fail to vote without good excuse and since absentee voting is available, travel is no excuse. People in hospitals, age homes, etc, may lodge what is called a postal vote.

    We don't have an equivalent of your primary selection process and so our election period is short, usually no more than eight weeks
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    #33

    Jul 27, 2021, 05:07 AM
    My post said Virtually all of Europe and almost all developed countries .So I guess Australian ;not being in Europe; and the one off isolated developed nation with no common land borders to any other nation is the one off .

    Evidently the Aussie system is not as pure as the driven slush as we are led to believe .
    In this years Federal Election over 18,000 people allegedly voted multiple times, a steep increase from the 2013 election with only around 8,000 multiple voters.
    Australian voter fraud up 125% in the 2016 Federal Election - Australia Business News
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    Jul 27, 2021, 06:00 AM
    Sure they do.
    And as it turns out...sure they do!!
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    Jul 27, 2021, 07:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    My post said Virtually all of Europe and almost all developed countries .So I guess Australian ;not being in Europe; and the one off isolated developed nation with no common land borders to any other nation is the one off .

    Evidently the Aussie system is not as pure as the driven slush as we are led to believe .
    In this years Federal Election over 18,000 people allegedly voted multiple times, a steep increase from the 2013 election with only around 8,000 multiple voters.
    Australian voter fraud up 125% in the 2016 Federal Election - Australia Business News
    If they do that they are stupid or there is fraud, however few electorates have such a close result that it could tip the balance because ours is not a first past the post electoral system. If you manage more than 50% you are in but otherwise it comes down to distribution of preferences and it is this rather than a few random votes that will determine the result. Everyone of those persons who did that would be fined. Obviously there was great panic in the minor parties and the underdog won. Contrary to the wishes of the leftists

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