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    #81

    Jul 2, 2021, 09:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You do have the Aquinas history behind you, so I tend to not trust your allegations.
    Rejecting my Aquinas anecdote does NOT make it false. In any case, my Aquinas story compared to your Jesus story are light-years apart. Aquinas never sent most of the world to hell, and I never said he did. Your Jesus condemned the whole world of unbelievers to hell and torture and you said he did.

    Trustworthy? You? Not a chance.
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    Jul 2, 2021, 09:14 AM
    No, but adding the truncated quote made your description of it false. No question about it. Would you like for me to repost it? I assure you I can. Then everyone can make up their own minds about it.
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    Jul 2, 2021, 09:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No, but adding the truncated quote made your description of it false. No question about it. Would you like for me to repost it? I assure you I can. Then everyone can make up their own minds about it.
    Why don't you post your belief about Jesus and hell so we can all make a fair comparison?
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    #84

    Jul 2, 2021, 09:56 AM
    Why don't you believe what Jesus said?
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    Jul 2, 2021, 10:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Why don't you believe what Jesus said?
    Why do you say I don't?
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    #86

    Jul 2, 2021, 10:05 AM
    Look at the Genesis thread.
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    #87

    Jul 2, 2021, 10:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Look at the Genesis thread.
    I did. I don't see the answer there either.
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    #88

    Jul 3, 2021, 06:35 AM
    How has this degenerated into a religious debate?
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    #89

    Jul 3, 2021, 09:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    How has this degenerated into a religious debate?
    It's inevitable when dealing with a white evangelist who supports Trump. The two are inextricably connected.
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    #90

    Jul 3, 2021, 03:57 PM
    I don't see the connection Trump is not a religious man
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    #91

    Jul 3, 2021, 04:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I don't see the connection Trump is not a religious man
    White evangelicals say he's a baby Christian.
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    #92

    Jul 3, 2021, 05:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I don't see the connection Trump is not a religious man
    Then why are the evangelicals supporting him along with the racists, and loonies? Strange bedfellows indeed.
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    #93

    Jul 3, 2021, 05:51 PM
    Put in the context of the demonrats any port in a storm
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    #94

    Jul 4, 2021, 05:13 AM
    You're right there a very few conservative heroes nationally, but a lot of emerging dufus clones and clowns.
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    #95

    Jul 4, 2021, 07:50 AM
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    It's inevitable when dealing with a white evangelist who supports Trump. The two are inextricably connected.
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I don't see the connection Trump is not a religious man
    Both camps, Trump supporters and OT God followers, follow the strongman theory of history. That explains many of the similarities - especially the bizarre ones.

    Trump's voters are primarily from white evangelicals.
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    Jul 4, 2021, 12:12 PM
    White evangelicals say he's a baby Christian.
    I'd still love to know what a "white evangelical" is and how their beliefs differ from non-white evangelicals.
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    Jul 4, 2021, 12:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I'd still love to know what a "white evangelical" is and how their beliefs differ from non-white evangelicals.
    Black evangelicals believe in human equality as a biblical principle based on the oneness of the human family under God as Creator, stressing the importance of agape in their dealings with all humans and the need to reject racial and national barriers that forbid full fellowship and cooperative ministry. Black evangelicals give priority to Christ’s command to go into all the world and preach the gospel.

    White evangelicals (formerly termed fundamentalists -- rigid Bible literalists -- but they stole the evangelical term so as to sound more acceptable as Christians) turn increasingly inward, are caught up in their own internal affairs or controversies, and simply become more and more comfortable with the racial status quo.
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    Jul 4, 2021, 01:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Black evangelicals believe in human equality as a biblical principle based on the oneness of the human family under God as Creator, stressing the importance of agape in their dealings with all humans and the need to reject racial and national barriers that forbid full fellowship and cooperative ministry. Black evangelicals give priority to Christ’s command to go into all the world and preach the gospel.

    White evangelicals (formerly termed fundamentalists -- rigid Bible literalists -- but they stole the evangelical term so as to sound more acceptable as Christians) turn increasingly inward, are caught up in their own internal affairs or controversies, or simply become more and more comfortable with the racial status quo.

    Excellent answer. One of the best.
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    #99

    Jul 4, 2021, 03:51 PM
    Really, you think Christians racist. this view is coloured by the peculiar circumstance of your country and its history of racism
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    Jul 4, 2021, 04:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Really, you think Christians racist. this view is coloured by the peculiar circumstance of your country and its history of racism
    Exactly, 'Clete! It's a U.S. problem.

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