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    #121

    Jul 5, 2021, 03:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    can draw no useful conclusions at all from my contacts.
    Now you're a preacher too???

    My 70 years of involvement trumps (ha ha trumps) your 40 years.
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    #122

    Jul 5, 2021, 04:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Opinion...opinion...opinion.

    I've been preaching for forty years. I know a lot of preachers, and many are evangelicals. And that means that, like you, I have met much less than 1/100 of 1% of evangelical preachers, and thus can draw no useful conclusions at all from my contacts.
    You obviously don't practice what you preach, you do know the Bible tells us not to engage in philosophical arguments
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    #123

    Jul 6, 2021, 11:08 AM
    You obviously don't practice what you preach, you do know the Bible tells us not to engage in philosophical arguments
    1. You do realize that you (and everyone else here) do that all the time, including right now, all of which makes your statement hilarious?

    2. The Bible says no such thing. It occurs all over the place in the NT. For instance, " 26From one ancestor* he made all nations to inhabit the whole earth, and he allotted the times of their existence and the boundaries of the places where they would live, 27so that they would search for God* and perhaps grope for him and find him—though indeed he is not far from each one of us. 28For “In him we live and move and have our being”; as even some of your own poets have said, “For we too are his offspring.”

    Or, "For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside. Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"

    Or, "6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."

    3. Any discussion of religion is a philosophical discussion. "the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline."

    4. Jesus Himself was repeatedly involved in discussions of truth. Happened all over the place.

    My 70 years of involvement trumps (ha ha trumps) your 40 years.
    Another opinion. I did like your play on words!
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    #124

    Jul 6, 2021, 07:55 PM
    the loonies have taken over the asylum (lockdown)
    The Sydney lockdown is to be extended and yet the infection count is low and the infection shows no sign of spreading, this is the medical profession and the politicians gone mad as they have their last fling of power. The federal government announced a plan last week to move from suppression of the virus to living with the virus and yet Gladys keeps us in the dark ages of despair when there are a few clusters. This is madness and she will pay come election time
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    #125

    Jul 7, 2021, 03:37 AM
    this is the medical profession and the politicians gone mad as they have their last fling of power.
    Yes indeed . Our leaders have gone to school on how far they can go to curb freedoms after they declare a crisis .
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    #126

    Jul 7, 2021, 06:10 AM
    What was the famous quote..."Never let a good crisis go to waste?"
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    #127

    Jul 7, 2021, 04:20 PM
    Yes Gladys is singing from that song sheet
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    #128

    Jul 7, 2021, 04:50 PM
    il duce Cuomo declared a state emergency in NY due to gun violence . This comes just a couple weeks after he relinquished emergency powers he seized over covid . He be missin that authoritarian control. He revealed a series of executive orders to counter gun violence . One of them was NOT hiring more cops. Hey Andrew ! a real emergency was the mass casualty event that you created in NY nursing homes !
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    #129

    Jul 7, 2021, 06:15 PM
    How do your mayors get so much power, the best ours can do is order more garbage pickups
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    #130

    Jul 7, 2021, 06:44 PM
    he's a Governor . But yeah the mayors of major cities become celebrities be they Sandinista Bill in NYC or Mayor Beetlejuice in Chicago . Previously down town Willie Brown was mayor of San Francisco . Kam the Sham rode him to the top when she was DA of San Francisco county .
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    #131

    Jul 7, 2021, 07:08 PM
    Yes your state governors are equivalent to our state Premiers although Governor is a different position, the local equivalent, perhaps, of your president at state level. We very rarely get a cross over between the state and federal politics, perhaps because their qualities are already known
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    #132

    Jul 12, 2021, 04:03 PM
    We've lost control
    Thus said deputy Premier and leader of the national party John Barilaro and yet his constituents are not affected, living as they do in regional areas so I'm unsure what control he thinks he has lost. Perhaps it is the control of being able to do business with Sydney, which is in panic mode, as a few suburbs register infections of the delta strain. the State premier has lost it as the lockdown continues and becomes more stringent and yet there are stupid rules like allowing truck drivers to leave Sydney and travel interstate carrying the virus as some have infected two other states.

    It is time for common sense, either shut the shops or open up and enforce the mask, testing and distancing rules but the state is in economic chaos for a few hundred infections most of which are isolated. We endured shutdown a year ago and most infections were not in the community because of the panic of the state premier and the chief medical officer and they are doing it again
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    #133

    Jul 13, 2021, 03:41 AM
    stupid rules like allowing truck drivers to leave Sydney and travel interstate
    you really want to shut down commerce ? How about those trucks that deliver food to Sydney ? Do you want them to stop rolling too ?
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    #134

    Jul 13, 2021, 05:44 AM
    Some people want all the trucks stopped except for the ones that deliver to them.
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    #135

    Jul 13, 2021, 07:02 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you really want to shut down commerce ? How about those trucks that deliver food to Sydney ? Do you want them to stop rolling too ?
    No But they don't have to travel interstate for stupid reasons like moving household furniture

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