[Athos]

most arrested will have trespassing charges at best .

You must be listening to Trump or OAN Cable.


Acting U.S. Attorney Sherwin said "almost all" of the cases charged in federal court have involved "significant federal felonies" with sentences between five and twenty years.^[3] Many have been charged with assault on law enforcement officers; "violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol ground";^[3] trespassing; disrupting Congress; theft or other property crimes; weapons offenses; making threats; and conspiracy.^[11] Some criminal indictments are under seal. The majority of cases are in federal court, while others are in D.C. Superior Court.^[12]

[InfoJunkie4Life]

Nothing like it has been seen in the US since the Civil War. Yet, "no way" was that an insurrection, you say.

On July 2, 1915, Muenter hid a package containing three sticks of dynamite with a timing mechanism set for nearly midnight under a telephone switchboard in the Senate reception room in the United States Capitol, Washington, D.C. His original target had been the Senate chamber, which he found locked. The bomb exploded at approximately 11:40 PM resulting in no casualties. Muenter wrote a letter to The Washington Star under a pseudonym R. Pearce, explaining his actions, which was published after the bombing. He said that he hoped the explosion would "make enough noise to be heard above the voices that clamor for war. This explosion is an exclamation point in my appeal for peace."

The 1954 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on March 1, 1954, by four Puerto Rican nationalists wanting Puerto Rico's independence from US rule. They shot 30 rounds from semi-automatic pistols from the Ladies' Gallery (a balcony for visitors) of the House of Representatives chamber in the United States Capitol.

A bomb explodes in the Capitol building in Washington, D.C., causing an estimated $300,000 in damage but hurting no one. A group calling itself the Weather Underground claimed credit for the bombing, which was done in protest of the ongoing U.S.-supported Laos invasion.

The 1983 U.S. Senate bombing was a bomb explosion at the United States Senate on November 7, 1983, motivated by United States military involvement in Lebanon and Grenada. The attack led to heightened security in the DC metropolitan area, and the inaccessibility of certain parts of the Senate Building.

The 1998 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on July 24, 1998, which led to the deaths of two United States Capitol Police officers. Officer Jacob Chestnut and Detective John Gibson were killed when Russell Eugene Weston Jr., entered the Capitol and opened fire.

History is not so simple. Lets not forget the time anthrax was sent to DC or the time a plane almost bombed the capitol. Maybe not so many people entered the building, but the damage and devastation has been far more severe in many instances.

[jlisenbe]

What would you call it when 500+ men (more like 1,000+ men), variously armed,

I wouldn't get too carried away with the "variously armed" comment lest it appear that all 500 were armed. That is far removed from the truth.

"But 23 people have been charged with having deadly or dangerous weapons during the assault — including a loaded handgun found on a man arrested on Capitol grounds." So there was one gun, and the other 22 had, "...baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole."

An insurrection armed with...ONE gun? Doesn't seem to pass muster to me. "OK men. Charge!! Show em what a fire extinguisher can do!"

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/ca...ty-of-weapons/

[tomder55]

Most Capitol riot offenders won’t face hefty prison terms, legal experts say. - The Washington Post

Many Capitol rioters unlikely to serve jail time - POLITICO

70 % of those arrested are not being held . They must be a terrible threat to the country .

Democrats’ message is not resonating because they overstate everything. They argue that a very serious incident, organized by a few fanatics, to interrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election is equivalent to the foreign terrorists who hijacked four planes, flew them into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a Pennsylvania forest, killed more than 3,000 people, injured thousands more, and caused billions of dollars in damage.
They appeal to the visceral by calling the Jan. 6 incident an “insurrection” even though they know the legal definition is not met.
Democrats, even in the Judiciary hearing, argue that the rioting for the past year is merely a series of peaceful protests and simply an exercise of First Amendment rights, but paint everyone who came to the Capitol on Jan. 6 as “insurrectionists” attempting to take over the government.

Democrats learn hard truths about Capitol breach | TheHill

[talaniman]

From your Hill article....

"BY REP. ANDY BIGGS (R-ARIZ.), OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 06/15/21 07:30 PM EDT THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL"

[tomder55]

I added it because it is what I have been saying since January . What about the Compost and Politico sources ?

[Athos]

History is not so simple.

These are not even close to the Jan 6 insurrection.

[Athos]

70 % of those arrested are not being held . They must be a terrible threat to the country .

I'll go with US Attorney Sherwin.

[tomder55]

Revealed: majority of people charged in Capitol attack aren’t in jail | US Capitol breach | The Guardian

[InfoJunkie4Life]

After the 6th, we had an inauguration on the 20th. So I wanted to ensure, and our office wanted to ensure that there was shock and awe, that we could charge as many people as possible before the 20th. And it worked because we saw through media posts that people were afraid to come back to D.C. because they're like, "If we go there, we're gonna get charged." ... We wanted to take out those individuals that essentially were thumbing their noses at the public for what they did.

"Significant federal felonies" = "Shock and awe"

I love that last part "We wanted to take out those individuals for...thumbing their noses at the public"

Not exactly law and order talk, but we'll get those dumb insurrectionists.

Too bad Kamala's bail fund isn't for those kind of insurrectionists...they might get out and kill and rape just like those darn peaceful protestors.

Here is a running list of who was charged and for what, most are unsealed.

Heads up, 25 are there for curfew violations. The only guns that were found were on people who didn't enter the capitol, but were violating curfew, one arrested the next day for stuff in truck. 4 more by my count.

A lot of these only passed a barricade, or entered the building, simply to leave a few minute later, IE the trespassing charges.

"Steal, Sell, Convey or Dispose of Anything of Value of the United States" means picked up something off the ground that didn't belong to you.

[InfoJunkie4Life]

Even with all that surveillance footage and congressional commissions, we still don't know who put those bombs in the bushes. Who got off the antifa bus -Paul Sperry. Why some people got $1,000 to show up 2:26:48. Who killed Ashli Babbit? Who was handing out weapons. Why were there no police? Who is John Galt (Sullivan). (Needed to throw that one in there, lol)

Then the conspiracies abound!

[tomder55]

Who is John Galt (Sullivan). (Needed to throw that one in there, lol)

My all time favorite literary character .

Who killed Ashli Babbit?

normally the left is quick to name a cop who kills a protester . The DOJ has chosen to not press charges against the officer .

His name is Lt. Mike Byrd . The 5th column ....ooops I mean the 4th estate media has known this from the beginning but still refuse to officially name him . Besides this incident he was in the news for leaving his loaded glock-22 unattended in a bathroom in the Capitol in 2019 .

[Athos]

Here is a running list of who was charged and for what, most are unsealed.

Heads up, 25 are there for curfew violations. The only guns that were found were on people who didn't enter the capitol, but were violating curfew, one arrested the next day for stuff in truck. 4 more by my count.

At least 40 are accused of committing conspiracy, one of the most serious charges brought. At least 96 are accused of committing acts of violence, particularly against police. At least 42 are suspected of causing property damage, like breaking windows or doors to gain entry to the building. At least 30 are accused of theft, like the man photographed carrying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's lectern or one woman who allegedly took a laptop from Pelosi's office.

Why do right-wing evangelists deny the facts so often about the Jan 6 insurrection? After following that bunch for over a year now, it's looking like they will sell their soul for anything supporting their politics. Bad enough for the usual right-wing fringe, but for self-proclaimed Christians?

My part describing those accused is directly from the link cited by infojunkie. Could his part citing 25 curfew violations be possibly any more misleading than it already is?

I'm at a loss to understand why Christian evangelists are so devious.

[InfoJunkie4Life]

Athos, you are an idiot. No, one is claiming there was no crime. What happened on Jan 6 was despicable.

No one is denying what happened, this is the most documented crime of the century. What's a up for debate is why the media uses such foul language describing a "right wing" crime, while other clear acts of violence are wonderful acts of downtrodden people.

One might even argue the media is responsible for creating such an atmosphere where violence is lauded and the left wing political class for encouraging these while failing to enforce laws that would have put an end to such nonsense.

[InfoJunkie4Life]

Your bigotry against christians and right wingers is noted.

[Athos]

Athos, you are an idiot

You couldn't provide rational answers in the previous discussion, and you can't provide them here, so I'm the idiot.

No one is claiming there was no crime.

You're very wrong there. At least one Republican stated it was a typical day with tourists and cameras. In general, the Republicans have played it down like you did with your "running list" citing only curfew violations. Why did you omit the serious crimes?

What happened on Jan 6 was despicable.

NOW you say it - after you were called on the absurdity of your comment.

No one is denying what happened

You certainly implied it wasn't much in your post #30. You made it seem like a walk in the park with your sarcasm.

This is the most documented crime of the century.

Then why are you so casual about it (#30)?

What's a up for debate is why the media uses such foul language describing a "right wing" crime

Wrong again, what is up for debate is why the Republicans voted down an investigation into the "crime of the century".

As to the "foul language", the media covered it exactly for what it was - a right-wing insurrection incited by madman Trump. When you see the truth as foul language, you have a problem.

While other clear acts of violence are wonderful acts of downtrodden people.

You're deflecting. A typical tactic of the right-wing. Aka "whataboutism" as if the one excuses the other.

One might even argue the media is responsible for creating such an atmosphere where violence is lauded and the left wing political class for encouraging these while failing to enforce laws that would have put an end to such nonsense.

No, only an idiot would make such an argument, and you fit the bill.

[InfoJunkie4Life]

I love you too.

[jlisenbe]

Funny to see Athos complaining about a lack rational answers.

[waltero]

InfoJunkie
One might even argue the media is responsible for creating such an atmosphere

And Athos:
No, only an idiot would make such an argument

InfoJunkie:
most arrested will have trespassing charges at best.

Athos
You must be listening to Trump or OAN Cable.

Funny to see Athos complaining about a lack of rational answers.

Funny indeed.

[tomder55]

read about this arrested " insurrectionist " .

FBI tears New Yorker's life into shreds: Devine (nypost.com)