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    Jun 28, 2021, 04:51 AM
    Provided $1.9 trillion of relief to the American economy.
    Increased federal minimum wage to $15/hr.
    Restored funding to veterans programs that had been cut under Trump.
    Money to the airline industry saving thousands of airline jobs.
    Revoked a Trump order that suspended federal funds from going to purported “anarchist jurisdictions.” Included were New York City, Portland and Seattle.
    With no idea of how to pay for any of it, thus accelerating the growth of the federal debt past 30 trillion dollars. Thanks, Mr. Biden.

    Returned the United States to the Paris Climate Accord.
    Sacrificing the national interests of the United States upon the altar of climate change.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 05:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    When did I say he was without fault,
    You said, "His failure to deliver was not his fault".

    but not everything he did was bad and he was hamstrung by a hostile congress.
    Trump understood nothing about running a country. His major, and only, platform was reversing anything Obama did because Obama humiliated the narcissist at a televised public dinner.

    Donald the Dips**t was the biggest mistake this country ever made.

    Anyone who thought a morally bankrupt conman and washed up reality TV personality would be a good president needs to seek professional help, especially after inciting an insurrection and endlessly lying about the election being “stolen” from him. Pathetic.

    yes facts from your perspective
    True.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 05:09 AM
    Trump understood nothing about running a country.
    Except that he had a better economy by far than Obama ever dreamed about having???
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    Jun 28, 2021, 05:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Except that he had a better economy by far than Obama ever dreamed about having???
    He had nothing to do with the economy, except to damage it with tariffs that he completely misunderstood.

    The economy he inherited from Obama was already recovering after the disastrous ruination of it due to Republican malfeasance under Bush II. It's about time you stopped promoting this falsehood.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 05:48 AM
    He had nothing to do with the economy, except to damage it with tariffs that he completely misunderstood.

    The economy he inherited from Obama was already recovering after the disastrous ruination of it due to Republican malfeasance under Bush II. It's about time you stopped promoting this falsehood.
    Just the usual anti-Trump, "Obama was wonderful" liberal dem view. The fact remains that the economy set records with Trump as pres. He did more in three years than Obama did in eight.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 07:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The fact remains that the economy set records with Trump as pres.
    This is true, but one does not follow the other.

    He did more in three years than Obama did in eight.
    This is demonstrably false. Obama inherited a disaster - the Great Recession. Trump inherited Obama's legacy - putting it all back together.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 07:50 AM
    This is true, but one does not follow the other.
    Funny how you refuse to give Trump any credit, but in your next comment you fall all over yourself in flattering Obama. Bias??? Clearly.

    Reagan walked into a worse situation than Obama and accomplished more without having to increase the debt by 10 trillion dollars. And the fact remains that the Trump economy far out-performed the Obama economy.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 09:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And the fact remains that the Trump economy far out-performed the Obama economy.
    And why was that?
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    Jun 28, 2021, 09:29 AM
    Better leadership from someone who understood business.

    Better leadership from someone who understood business.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 09:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Better leadership from someone who understood business.
    Why have so many of his businesses failed? As far as our economy is concerned, he merely stayed on the same growth track Obama had put it on after W tossed it into a firepit.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 10:13 AM
    He “merely” set records for low unemployment. You do realize that Obama is the only eight year Pres who never had a single year of 3% or better GDP growth?

    Now to be clear, I am no worshipper of Trump in the manner that you practically worship Obama. I do believe in giving credit where credit is due. The economy with Trump was fantastic. Case closed.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 10:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    He “merely” set records for low unemployment. You do realize that Obama is the only eight year Pres who never had a single year of 3% or better GDP growth?
    Do you realize what a mess W left him?!

    The economy with Trump in control surprisingly didn't plunge again. Who was really in charge?
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    Jun 28, 2021, 11:04 AM
    So you are trying to make a point bout what did NOT happen? Hmm.

    Might have surprised you. Didn’t seem to surprise business owners.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 11:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    With no idea of how to pay for any of it, thus accelerating the growth of the federal debt past 30 trillion dollars. Thanks, Mr. Biden.
    Mr. Biden saved the lives and fortunes of untold American citizens and their families. All you can see is the cost and you would have preferred mass never-ending misery for your neighbor. I'll leave you to work out how that fits in with The Greatest Commandment.

    Sacrificing the national interests of the United States upon the altar of climate change.
    No, trying to save the planet and all its inhabitants.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 12:00 PM
    And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden. Always the same. We must spend more than we take in. It’s the mantra of the political class and people will keep falling for it until disaster arrives.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 12:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden. Always the same. We must spend more than we take in. It’s the mantra of the political class and people will keep falling for it until disaster arrives.
    What would you do?
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    #57

    Jun 28, 2021, 12:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden.
    Certainly not true for Bush II. In a fair universe he would be a war criminal for invading a sovereign nation without justification and resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands and many more times that number injured.

    until disaster arrives.
    Thanks to Obama disaster was averted. I'm sorry your taxes went to saving people - maybe you could ask for them back.
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    #58

    Jun 28, 2021, 05:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden. Always the same. We must spend more than we take in. It’s the mantra of the political class and people will keep falling for it until disaster arrives.
    Yes you are right deficit economics can only bring long term disaster in the form of inflation which is crippling to the low income group
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    #59

    Jun 28, 2021, 05:48 PM
    Obama doubled the national debt. Sorry if I don’t brag on him about that. He was mediocre.
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    Jun 28, 2021, 06:20 PM
    The question is always what the money is being spent on

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