[jlisenbe]

Turns out voter ID laws are much more widely accepted than liberal dems would have us think.

"Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe—a place where, on other matters, American progressives often look to with envy—all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID to vote. The exception is the U.K., and even there voter IDs are mandatory in Northern Ireland for all elections and in parts of England for local elections. Moreover, Boris Johnson’s government recently introduced legislation to have the rest of the country follow suit."

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/...3kfejDqgKBFn8U

[paraclete]

Lots of non citizens there, it makes sense

[jlisenbe]

Lots of non citizens here as well, so makes perfect sense.

[paraclete]

Hey, I'm with you, voter ID doesn't disenfranchise anyone, so long as it is free and freely available. Here, we solved all this problem, compulsory voting, so there can be no debate, we also have lots of prepolls available. We see voting not only as a right but an obligation. The issue is not complicated

[jlisenbe]

I'm not sure what "problem" you solved. I don't think an overbearing government is the answer. I also don't think everyone voting is the answer. This issue is simply trying to ensure a fair and honest election. Forcing, by threat of arrest, everyone to vote does not solve that problem.

[tomder55]

it is Soviet style coercive . Dictatorships always have high voter participation

[Athos]

it is Soviet style coercive . Dictatorships always have high voter participation

Are you suggesting Australia is a Soviet style dictatorship?

[talaniman]

Do Australians arrest those that don't vote Clete? I thought a possible $20 dollar fine was the penalty for not voting.

[Wondergirl]

And there must be polling places accessible to voters -- or mail-in ballots sent to homebound voters after the county election office has verified their credibility.

[jlisenbe]

And there must be polling places accessible to voters -- or mail-in ballots sent to homebound voters after the county election office has verified their credibility.

Two reasonable ideas, but how do you verify the identity of a homebound voter? Do they need to visit every home and ask for a pic ID?

[Wondergirl]

Two reasonable ideas, but how do you verify the identity of a homebound voter? Do they need to visit every home and ask for a pic ID?

When I do business by phone with my bank, they ask me not only secret ID questions but also tricky multiple-choice ones that only I would know the correct choice. (And those multiple-choice ones change at each call.) My county election office asks me different ID questions before they send me a ballot application, plus, after I complete that and sign it and send it back, they check my answers and compare my signature to the one they have on file.

No photo ID is required. Hairstyles, weight, hair colors, expressions change over the years. I look back at my old driver's licenses and wonder who that woman is.

[jlisenbe]

When I do business by phone with my bank, they ask me not only secret ID questions but also tricky multiple-choice ones that only I would know the correct choice. My county election office asks me different ID questions before they send me a ballot application, plus, after I complete that and sign it and send it back, they check my answers and compare my signature to the one they have on file.

OK. How do they establish the answers to the "tricky questions" in the first place? They had to establish that it was you establishing the answers and the PIN. How did that happen?

[Wondergirl]

OK. How do they establish the answers to the "tricky questions" in the first place? They had to establish that it was you establishing the answers and the PIN. How did that happen?

I've banked with them since 1974. They have no problem coming up with tricky multiple-choice questions based on my banking history.

[jlisenbe]

So they ask you tricky questions concerning your past banking practices? Well how would that work in voting? Would they ask you tricky questions concerning your past voting practices?

[Wondergirl]

So they ask you tricky questions concerning your past banking practices? Well how would that work in voting? Would they ask you tricky questions concerning your past voting practices?

They don't know my past voting practices.

I was simply telling you that banks do this verifying too.

[talaniman]

They don't know my past voting practices.

I was simply telling you that banks do this verifying too.

LOL, I know what you mean. I'm too old to even remember half the stuff I did 10 years ago, let alone 20. In fairness though governments and private companies are being hacked and cyber attacked for ransom at an alarming rate and verification of identity is NOT as simple thing as it use to be. Covid certainly added another degree of difficulty, and older voters have always been targets of voting shenanigans, and scams.

Nobody is really safe or that secure so I can understand the even abnormal concern for all kinds of security issues that affect not just voting but everyday life. Not letting repubs off the hook for their incessant whining about ID's and such but it shouldn't be dismissed or ignored even if their agenda is quite clear, and has little to do with voting security.